We need to be in the Whatever conference talk

[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Our non-conference schedule has been good. Just because casual basketball fans do not know this, does not mean we are playing a horrible schedule. Just look at the numbers. Our Non-Conference schedule has no affect on a conference wanting us to join.

We would not have to schedule any tough OOC games, but we could it we wanted to.

On off years (like Syracuse or Providence or Seton Hall this year): Just glide by on winning home games and the conference SOS takes care of the rest.

Oh, we have a bad injury (like Xavier this year)? No problem, look at the SOS and top 50 wins. Never mind the top 50 losses.

It is such a bull**** safety net it sucks.

But if you can't beat em, join em I say

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[pmcmullen]

Originally Posted by funky15 I think our scheduling needs to be a hell lot better too. This non-conference schedule this year was horrible. If we can schedule on a consistent basis some half decent teams, and beat them consistently, then I think Dayton joining a bigger conference will become a better possibility.

Do you think this is the fault of Dayton? We beat good teams as a mid-major, making other power teams look elsewhere.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan We would not have to schedule any tough OOC games, but we could it we wanted to. On off years (like Syracuse or Providence or Seton Hall this year): Just glide by on winning home games and the conference SOS takes care of the rest. Oh, we have a bad injury (like Xavier this year)? No problem, look at the SOS and top 50 wins. Never mind the top 50 losses. It is such a bull**** safety net it sucks. But if you can't beat em, join em I say

I agree 100% but we are not in the BE so we really can't do that. But as I said, our OOC is not keeping us out of the BE like Funky15 was trying to say.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[frisco flyer]

In other news, the A10 Tournament--the tournament that decides the championship of the conference we're actually in--just started today.

With 3:23 to go in the game, UMass is ahead of StJoe 58-53
There's another game on the schedule later tonight between Duquesne and St. Louis

For those more interested in the A10 than the BE, A10 Tournament info can be found here:

http://www.atlantic10.com/ViewConten...ENT_ID=1867562

In case you were wondering, our first game is Friday at noon EST

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[TXFlyerFan]

Dukes over SLU in the nightcap.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[The Fly]

Actually, SLU won. Put-back with 1.6 second left.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UD62]

Nice comeback by the Bills in the last 25 seconds. As Yogi says, never over till it's over.

[TXFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by The Fly Actually, SLU won. Put-back with 1.6 second left.

My bad. I thought the game was over.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by funky15 I think our scheduling needs to be a hell lot better too. This non-conference schedule this year was horrible. If we can schedule on a consistent basis some half decent teams, and beat them consistently, then I think Dayton joining a bigger conference will become a better possibility.

I think the OOC schedule is as good as it can get, unless they want to take away a home buy game, which is not ever happening.

Trust me, I have done well more than my fair share of complaining about the scheduling model.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan We would not have to schedule any tough OOC games, but we could it we wanted to. On off years (like Syracuse or Providence or Seton Hall this year): Just glide by on winning home games and the conference SOS takes care of the rest. Oh, we have a bad injury (like Xavier this year)? No problem, look at the SOS and top 50 wins. Never mind the top 50 losses. It is such a bull**** safety net it sucks. But if you can't beat em, join em I say

Xavier played a very tough OOC schedule, 15 home and 15 away/neutral overall schedule...#9 sos in the country...they did not back off on OOC schedule toughness just because they joined the BE...there are other BE teams that do play a weaker OOC schedule...that #9 sos is why X is still in the at-large conversation despite having 12 losses.

X OOC notables: Missouri, Clemson, Northern Iowa x2, Wake Forest, Colorado, Baylor, Cincinnati, and Utah.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[priceg75]

Missouri sucks, UNI sucks, Colorado sucks, Utah sucks. Baylor is a top 10 team. Clemson and Wake are bubble teams.

We played St. Mary's, who is a top 20 team AT HOME. We also played Vanderbilt, a bubble team, and Northwestern a bubble team. We had the opportunity to play a top 10 team in UCLA if we had beaten the 3rd worst team in the Big Ten, Nebraska. But we couldn't do that.

Our OOC is fine.

[Radar]

we need to change our name to Syracuse

[Viperstick]

Beginning of the end of the mega-million deals to college sports conferences?

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/es...-talent-030617

[jack72]

ESPN is like the sport's version of CNN. They are becoming more irrelevant than a dog catcher at the South Pole.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by priceg75 Missouri sucks, UNI sucks, Colorado sucks, Utah sucks. Baylor is a top 10 team. Clemson and Wake are bubble teams. We played St. Mary's, who is a top 20 team AT HOME. We also played Vanderbilt, a bubble team, and Northwestern a bubble team. We had the opportunity to play a top 10 team in UCLA if we had beaten the 3rd worst team in the Big Ten, Nebraska. But we couldn't do that. Our OOC is fine.

Xavier's OOC SOS is 16...ours is 56...it is not close.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Viperstick Beginning of the end of the mega-million deals to college sports conferences? http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/es...-talent-030617

A guy at the dog park the other day said that Disney is trying to unload ESPN, but they can't find a buyer. I have no idea if that is accurate.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by ud2 A guy at the dog park the other day said that Disney is trying to unload ESPN, but they can't find a buyer. I have no idea if that is accurate.

So you are now referring to dog park guy as a news source and you want us to take you seriously regarding scheduling?
Posted via Mobile Device

[priceg75]

Guy at the dog park's name?

Bob Iger.

[UDTradition]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Our non-conference schedule has been good. Just because casual basketball fans do not know this, does not mean we are playing a horrible schedule. Just look at the numbers. Our Non-Conference schedule has no affect on a conference wanting us to join.

What is your definition of good?

[BRob2Perryman3]

there you go again m21, making sense again. How anybody can complain about a schedule model that gets us to the Tournament every year is absolutely baffling to me.

[BRob2Perryman3]

_avier fans should be worried if they lose to Butler today.

If I'm them (which i never will be) i'd be as nervous a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by CE80 So you are now referring to dog park guy as a news source and you want us to take you seriously regarding scheduling? Posted via Mobile Device

Lol, he seemed to know what he was talking about....I googled it, he might be right, others are saying the same thing about Disney looking to sell.

Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3 there you go again m21, making sense again. How anybody can complain about a schedule model that gets us to the Tournament every year is absolutely baffling to me.

Yes, the scheduling model gets us in, I just think we should expect more. Went 24-6, 15-3, and we are looking at a 6 seed at best IMO...4 straight NCAAT's, time to start setting higher goals...feel like we are leaving money on the table.

[Avid Flyer]

Archie is building his program and they will come. Not sure we want one and done, thats a lot of work for a one year player whom probably don't listen to the coaches anyways since he knows hes in the NBA after the season.

Archie will recruit players that fit his mold,(character, skills, work ethics, coachable, etc) and if he stays could develop the next Duke, who by the way took years to get where they are. Wasn't overnight.

Duke will not continue to be Duke once coach K is gone....look no farther than UCLA after John Wooden left.

[BRob2Perryman3]

One and done has worked so well for LSU, N.C State and Washington the past couple seasons.

I'd be shocked if Fultz and Smith Jr. step foot back on campus or with their teammates.

#nooneanddones

[BRob2Perryman3]

Originally Posted by ud2 A guy at the dog park the other day said that Disney is trying to unload ESPN, but they can't find a buyer. I have no idea if that is accurate.

We can talk with our remotes. I watch NO ESPN content programming. I will only watch actual games. UD,NFL,MLB and CFFL is it for me. The lower their content ratings go the worse it gets. This new 6 o'clock Sportscenter is the bottom of the barrel. Sports,movies,music blah blah blah. Hosted by two of the worst heads on their roster. I remember way back in the day when i could watch Kenny Mayne,Dan Patrick,Craig Kilborn,Stuart Scott and so many others and get my sports scores with hilarious content.

Now that channel is a dumpster fire. They chose a political side and now we choose ours. For the record i don't want to hear the Republican side at my concerts or sporting events either.

FS1 is pretty good with their programming, no politics and good programming. I watched Skip and Shannon for the first time today, surprisingly watchable. I like these guys anyway, they push the envelope. Like Cowherd too.

Speak with your remotes and wallets guys.

Rant over.

[UACFlyer]

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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer Archie is building his program and they will come. Not sure we want one and done, thats a lot of work for a one year player whom probably don't listen to the coaches anyways since he knows hes in the NBA after the season. Archie will recruit players that fit his mold,(character, skills, work ethics, coachable, etc) and if he stays could develop the next Duke, who by the way took years to get where they are. Wasn't overnight. Duke will not continue to be Duke once coach K is gone....look no farther than UCLA after John Wooden left......or UConn after Calhoun left.

About 5-6 years ago a UConn team had so much talent it became highly counterproductive. One guy was a one-and-done, another was a two-and-done...both were NBA lottery picks after the season. And the team? it was awful...it wasn't a "team". An opposing coach remarked that UConn had two many great players. That group was incapable of playing like a team, even in the hands of one of the most successful coaches ever.

Probably, the best scenario for a Dayton is two or three very good players who have a good shot at the NBA, surrounded by another half dozen good players.....with the entire group staying until graduation....along with a very good coach, which we have.

We want/need a very good "team", consistently.....one that's an NCAA regular and succeeds when it gets there. In my opinion, that last point matters a great deal. We are well past the point where making the Dance is the goal. For that reason I think our NCAA performance this year is very important.

In our exhilarating, even giddy, break out of a few seasons ago the Flyers won three games. The following year dealing with adversity they won two games. Last season we were a one-and-done. That's not the trend we want.

While "being there" is/was a big deal....one we could only dream of during the BG era....we are now well past that point. Winning one game is an absolute "must", in my opinion,....winning at least two has got to be our over-riding goal. Getting to that second week is a very big deal for our program.

All in my opinion.

[Medford]

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer Archie is building his program and they will come. Not sure we want one and done, thats a lot of work for a one year player whom probably don't listen to the coaches anyways since he knows hes in the NBA after the season. Archie will recruit players that fit his mold,(character, skills, work ethics, coachable, etc) and if he stays could develop the next Duke, who by the way took years to get where they are. Wasn't overnight. Duke will not continue to be Duke once coach K is gone....look no farther than UCLA after John Wooden left.

I mentioned this on another thread yesterday, but 2 years prior to Coach K taking the Duke Job, they were in the final 4, the year prior they were in the 2nd round (1979) In the 60s thru early 70s they made 3 or 4 additional final 4s, plus made the final 4 of the NIT in the early 70s when it still kind of meant something. Duke was a very good program prior to Coach K, not at the level that Coach K has taken it (who is) but certainly a very, very high level in their prior recent history.

A better (hopeful) comparison would be UConn which was solid thru much of the 60s & 70s, but not final 4 level good, then hired Jim Calhoun in the late 80s, made their second elite 8 in 1990, finally broke thru in the late 90s with their first final 4 (and national title) then was a perennial top 10 program for the next 15 years. Very few programs sustain the success that a Hall of Fame caliper coach brings to a program, there are too many things that the HOF coach brings to the table that the next person can't replace. Duke will eventually have a drop off after Coach K, but as long as the administration stays strong, they will remain one of the top 25 programs in the country, if not top 5-10.

[LIBob]

Unfortunately, FS1 is trying to go down the ESPN path. They had the modern day version of the names you mentioned with Jay and Dan, but sent them packing back to Canada. And, it looks like they may lose Katie Nolan, who I think is hysterical.

[sheg]

We may "need" to get in the Big East, but I don't think an invite is ever coming. I think Norwood is blackballing UD and I don't think that's changing.

Time to start figuring out 1) a way to vastly improve the A10, 2) a way to bolster OOC to offset the weaker parts of the A10, and/or 3) a completely new conference situation that ain't the Big East.

[UDDoug]

Originally Posted by ud2 Xavier's OOC SOS is 16...ours is 56...it is not close.

How much difference is there really in those two spots in the rankings. Is it like much of the RPI stats, and the difference in 10 or 15 slots in the ranking is negligible? How much of a difference does substituting VMI for a buy game against 23-8 NC Central make up?

[UDDoug]

Originally Posted by sheg We may "need" to get in the Big East, but I don't think an invite is ever coming. I think Norwood is blackballing UD and I don't think that's changing. Time to start figuring out 1) a way to vastly improve the A10, 2) a way to bolster OOC to offset the weaker parts of the A10, and/or 3) a completely new conference situation that ain't the Big East.

Agree. And I don't think the Big East is going to expand, unless it is to add one team to go a 20 game round robin. And an odd number of teams has its own set of issues.

[ud69]

Originally Posted by ud2 Xavier's OOC SOS is 16...ours is 56...it is not close.

Has we beaten Nebraska (which was likely with a full squad) and played UCLA and A&M our OOC SOS would be similar.

[UDDoug]

Originally Posted by ud69 Has we beaten Nebraska (which was likely with a full squad) and played UCLA and A&M our OOC SOS would be similar.

So, if that happened, and we substituted North Carolina Central for VMI, it would be better.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by ud69 Has we beaten Nebraska (which was likely with a full squad) and played UCLA and A&M our OOC SOS would be similar.

But they did not beat Nebraska, that is my point...they run this risk every year that they will lose the first round exempt tournament game and end up with a weaker sos/fewer top 50/100 games...2 years ago in 2015, they needed a last second tip in to win the exempt tournament first round game vs. TAMU...I think that game was in the Bahamas? And their plane was late taking off from Dayton, for some reason that I do not now recall, the pilots were unavailable?...if they lose that game, they likely end up in the NIT, as they were the last team in the NCAAT that year....there is very little margin for error.

[Shawnee2]

Stop the bull **** UD2 the game was i Puerto Rico so obviously don't have a clue w3hat u r talking about and it ticks me off when people post crap when they don't know what they r talking about!!!!! I apologize to the board for my rant!

[ud2]

Originally Posted by UDDoug How much difference is there really in those two spots in the rankings. Is it like much of the RPI stats, and the difference in 10 or 15 slots in the ranking is negligible? How much of a difference does substituting VMI for a buy game against 23-8 NC Central make up?

Cbssports.com is not up right now, the nitty gritty report has the a10 sos...I would have to do the math on that...(1/3 X 56, the OOC sos)+ (2/3 X the a10 sos).

The rpi wizard will handle the nc/VMI switch.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Shawnee2 Stop the bull **** UD2 the game was i Puerto Rico so obviously don't have a clue w3hat u r talking about and it ticks me off when people post crap when they don't know what they r talking about!!!!! I apologize to the board for my rant!

What part is bs?...they needed a last second tip-in to beat TAMU...here is the link:


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...meId=400591096

Headline: Late tip-in lifts Dayton over Texas A&M 55-53

The game was in PR, not the Bahamas, my mistake.

[ud2]

Dayton's Devon Scott tipped in a missed layup with 1 second remaining to help the Flyers overcome a woeful rebounding effort and held Beat Texas A&M 55-53 Thursday.

The Aggies' Alex Caruso got off a 3-pointer as time expired, but it bounced off the side of the rim.

[TerryK_67]

I usually make it a point to NOT watch any of the Buig Least games, but tonight I watched the last 5 minutes of Butler and X game.... What a pathetic exhibition of basketball...... And these are supposed to be top 10 - 15 quality teams???? Give e a break!
The Big Least can go pound sand!

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Radar we need to change our name to Syracuse

But I look horrible in Orange!

And that's coming from a Bengals fan.
Posted via Mobile Device

[NCkevi]

Let's dominate the A10, or at least beat weaker teams when it counts away from home, before thinking we can compete in the big east

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by NCkevi Let's dominate the A10, or at least beat weaker teams when it counts away from home, before thinking we can compete in the big east

Our resume needs to get a whole lot better before we can upgrade. The last two performances have been dismal and disappointing from a player and coaching perspective.

[CoffeeCan]

1. If we were in the BE, we would likely have a better seed due to sos, fair or not.
2. Kansas should get out of the Big 12, can't even win their first conference tournament game

[jack72]

When you lose to the likes of UMass, Davidson and GW, those are depressing, bad losses. If those losses were to St Johns, DePaul and Seton Hall, we would feel better and get less disrespect, and less RPI consequence.

Why do people assume we would recruit the same in the BE. We would get a few better players. We had one true center, and one coming next year. We need double that.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[Glen Clark]

Dayton needs to be in the Big Least . . .
Dayton to the AAC . ..

Dayton needs to make the best of our current situation - the A-10 is not the problem.
Dayton needs to dominate the A-10, and that is a tall order. Finally winning a regular-season title outright is a start.
Winning the conference tournament (away from the Arena) is the next step.
Do both consistently and rankings and seedings will follow.

_____________________
Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

[UD90]

Gonzaga is a 1 or 2 seed coming out of the 9th ranked conference (Usually 10th ranked). A10 is ranked 7th as often as its 8th.

[PURPLE REIGN]

Big East gets 7 teams in the tournament.

70% of teams making the NCAA Tournament from one league is a record.

Not sure why they would look to expand at this point? Seems they have figured out the formula to maximize $$$$$.

[CoffeeCan]

Bumping this.

[BRob2Perryman3]

And it needs bumped.

[TXFlyerFan]

To what end? The NBE does not want Dayton, period. It's the super hot girl that's not interested in us. As long as X is in there, why would they ever want Dayton?

[Jeff]

As long as UD remains in the A-10, we can expect this every 5 years.

[Bucketnight]

Originally Posted by Jeff As long as UD remains in the A-10, we can expect this every 5 years.

If we remain in the A10 and need a new coach because we have gone to 4 consecutive tournaments and had an Elite 8 run in each of those 5 year runs, we would be a tremendous program. How many programs can point to better?

It's great to have aspirations, but if you're thinking that's failure I think you are setting yourself up for a lot of frustration.

[AC91]

Originally Posted by Bucketnight If we remain in the A10 and need a new coach because we have gone to 4 consecutive tournaments and had an Elite 8 run in each of those 5 year runs, we would be a tremendous program. How many programs can point to better? It's great to have aspirations, but if you're thinking that's failure I think you are setting yourself up for a lot of frustration.

The problem here is that you are forgetting Archie's first 2 years. none his fault, but he had a program with a good recruiting class coming in that all bailed. scrapped together a couple of middling seasons gets his recruits in and finally makes the dance. great run, but he left his successor in potentially the exact same predicament and there is no guarantee we will hit a coaching home run each one of those periods. My issue is not with Archie leaving. Mine is with timing that could leave us with another huge roster hole and, after 6 years, uncertainty as to whether we had an internal succession plan. My hope is that one of the internal guys is ready and ww keep some continuity for our program, especially the players and recruits.I do not want a trough every 4-6 years in hopes that we can crawl back out. And my hope is that our recruits didnt just choose UD because of Archie, but saw the great program and university here and choose to remain flyers. That is how we sustain the program.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by AC91 The problem here is that you are forgetting Archie's first 2 years. none his fault, but he had a program with a good recruiting class coming in that all bailed. scrapped together a couple of middling seasons gets his recruits in and finally makes the dance. great run, but he left his successor in potentially the exact same predicament and there is no guarantee we will hit a coaching home run each one of those periods. My issue is not with Archie leaving. Mine is with timing that could leave us with another huge roster hole and, after 6 years, uncertainty as to whether we had an internal succession plan. My hope is that one of the internal guys is ready and ww keep some continuity for our program, especially the players and recruits.I do not want a trough every 4-6 years in hopes that we can crawl back out. And my hope is that our recruits didnt just choose UD because of Archie, but saw the great program and university here and choose to remain flyers. That is how we sustain the program.

I submit that Archie is exactly why the recruits are coming to Dayton. Doubt the quality of our programs were the deciding factor. Going to be interesting to see how many actually start classes in the fall.

[SeasonTicketFan]

The issue with the Big East is the level. Does UD become DePaul, a Seton Hall or a Villanova? If Archie had remained, UD could have compteted at the mid level,or higher... eventually. The current sophomore to be junior class would have been non competitive and smoked in the Big East.

Biggest problem with Archie leaving is that weak class.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan The issue with the Big East is the level. Does UD become DePaul, a Seton Hall or a Villanova. If Archie had remained, UD could have compteted at the mid level,or higher... eventually. The current sophomore to be junior class would have been non competitive and smoked in the Big East. Biggest problem with Archie leaving is that weak class.

Very good points. Our thoughts of going into the Big East and competing had a lot to do with Archie as our coach. I kind of assumed we wouldn't end up being Depaul in that situation. Now it just doesn't seem as certain.

Boy oh boy, this really might be the most important coaching replacement we have to go through in Flyers history. At least very close to the Donoher hire. They're both about keeping the program moving forward and higher.

	Don Donoher DON DONOHER Legendary Flyer men's basketball coach who guided Dayton to 435 victories in 25 seasons (1964-1989) including the 1967 NCAA Runner-Up. Took over the program after the passing of Tom Blackburn and earned many NCAA and NIT bids over his career, including five Sweet-16s, one Elite Eight appearance, and the 1968 NIT Championship. Groomed All-Americans Don May and Jim Paxson, along with all-time leading scorer Roosevelt Chapman. Coached UD as they joined conference affiliation for the first time (Midwest Collegiate). A graduate of UD, Donoher played for Blackburn and credits much of his coaching success to his mentor's teachings: defense, ball protection, patience, and unselfishness.

[Chris R]

How many non Power-5 schools can say they havent fired a basketball coach in over 2 decades.

The program is bigger than any one coach. Other fish in the pond. Archie served us well. We can and should continue to reach higher however.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by PURPLE REIGN Big East gets 7 teams in the tournament. 70% of teams making the NCAA Tournament from one league is a record. Not sure why they would look to expand at this point? Seems they have figured out the formula to maximize $$$$$.

Unless the team(s) they bring in can bring additional $$$$$. And Archie proved that a very good coach in this program can make $$$$$ for the league.

Now, we just have to get that next "very good coach" for this program.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Chris R How many non Power-5 schools can say they havent fired a basketball coach in over 2 decades. The program is bigger than any one coach. Other fish in the pond. Archie served us well. We can and should continue to reach higher however.

And wisdom and perspective like that are why you're the Publisher of this board. Well said, Chris!

[UD62]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Very good points. Our thoughts of going into the Big East and competing had a lot to do with Archie as our coach. I kind of assumed we wouldn't end up being Depaul in that situation. Now it just doesn't seem as certain. Boy oh boy, this really might be the most important coaching replacement we have to go through in Flyers history. At least very close to the Donoher hire. They're both about keeping the program moving forward and higher.

The most important hire in Flyer history was Tom Blackburn, without him never hit the bigtime.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by UD62 The most important hire in Flyer history was Tom Blackburn, without him never hit the bigtime.

I said "coaching replacement". I don't really consider Blackburn a replacement though technically he was. UD wasn't much of a program before him and I don't think they looked at it as a critical point when hiring him. It just turned out that he was fricken amazing and turned us into a real program.

[UDDoug]

It may mean something for Dayton to be in the BE. But there is little chance the BE expands. Best chance is some new conference with parts of A10, MVC and a couple one offs. But won't have much better TV, money. And no auto bid for some number of years.
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[TerryK_67]

All you guys that think that if we were in the new Big Least, that all in the sudden our recruits would be 5 star, and future pro hall of famers are just delusional.... Dayton would not change at all, nor would their ability to attract recruits change.... it is all in your simple little heads..... just not reality! Wake up!
GO FLYERS!

[podcast411]

Originally Posted by UDDoug And no auto bid for some number of years. Posted via Mobile Device

We went to the tourn 4 years in a row - and not one of them was because of the autobid. I don't think that will be a show stopper. But it is clear that Wichita State, UD and other schools at the top of their conference that do what they need to build a successful program - are going to get pinched by Larger conferences that continue to schedule more conference games - ACC going to 20 for example. Meaning less and less games against p5 schools for us. This will force those schools serious about BBall to break from those that are not. An auto bid is not the concern. Playing schools that do what is needed year in and year out to be in the top 100 RPI wise is. Archie said recently that in 3 years it was going to be really difficult to schedule games against p5 schools. Something is going to have change - and that likely means a new BBall centric conference. 11 schools - playing a round robin for 20 games.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by TerryK_67 All you guys that think that if we were in the new Big Least, that all in the sudden our recruits would be 5 star, and future pro hall of famers are just delusional.... Dayton would not change at all, nor would their ability to attract recruits change.... it is all in your simple little heads..... just not reality! Wake up! GO FLYERS!

A better conference certainly does help attract better recruits.

[FlyerGuyer]

Originally Posted by podcast411 Archie said recently that in 3 years it was going to be really difficult to schedule games against p5 schools.

Yep, actually I think he said in one or two or three years. That quote was probably the biggest writing on the wall that Archie was leaving.

[UDDoug]

Originally Posted by podcast411 We went to the tourn 4 years in a row - and not one of them was because of the autobid. I don't think that will be a show stopper. But it is clear that Wichita State, UD and other schools at the top of their conference that do what they need to build a successful program - are going to get pinched by Larger conferences that continue to schedule more conference games - ACC going to 20 for example. Meaning less and less games against p5 schools for us. This will force those schools serious about BBall to break from those that are not. An auto bid is not the concern. Playing schools that do what is needed year in and year out to be in the top 100 RPI wise is. Archie said recently that in 3 years it was going to be really difficult to schedule games against p5 schools. Something is going to have change - and that likely means a new BBall centric conference. 11 schools - playing a round robin for 20 games.

I
And that's when the auto bid will matter. When you get no P5 games, then the new league becomes a very competitive two bid conference.

[CoffeeCan]

1. Hire head coach (done)
2. Round out assistants
3. Retain recruits
4. Get in the Big East

[MikeF]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan 1. Hire head coach (done) 2. Round out assistants 3. Retain recruits 4. Get in the Big East

6. World domination

[C-time]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan 1. Hire head coach (done) 2. Round out assistants 3. Retain recruits 4. Get in the Big East

Originally Posted by MikeF 6. World domination

Did I miss #5?

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan 1. Hire head coach (done) 2. Round out assistants 3. Retain recruits 4. Get in the Big East

Originally Posted by MikeF 6. World domination

I thought Step 1 was Collect Underpants and Step 3 was Profit?

[MikeF]

Originally Posted by C-time Did I miss #5?

#5 is to be determined, but rest assured world domination is there at #6.

[SeasonTicketFan]

I am not holding my breath about the Big East. I think that ship has sailed and is not returning to this port. Never say never, ....but do say highly unlikely.

[flyerfanatic86]

Originally Posted by MikeF #5 is to be determined, but rest assured world domination is there at #6.

#5 Profit

[Beatty Town Coach]

#5 is the reality issue that says UD to BE never happening.

Back to you Bedell, an ambulance just went by; oh wait, is that a police car or a hearse???

[Beatty Town Coach]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan I am not holding my breath about the Big East. I think that ship has sailed and is not returning to this port. Never say never, ....but do say highly unlikely.

Or which ever comes first!?!?

[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan 1. Hire head coach (done) 2. Round out assistants 3. Retain recruits 4. Get in the Big East

Let's get moving on #2
Sounds like we are 1-1 on #3

[FlyerBob]

1 for 2, and Carter is retweeting MW release tweet...

[TXFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by FlyerBob 1 for 2, and Carter is retweeting MW release tweet...

I think Carter also retweeted Davis' staying with UD, so not sure that means much.

[FlyerBob]

Good to hear- that must have occured since...

[TXFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by FlyerBob Good to hear- that must have occured since...

Well I think he liked it, more than retweeted it, but what do I know.

[Atlantic 10]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan I think Carter also retweeted Davis' staying with UD, so not sure that means much.

Carter and Davis still had UD on their Tweeter page, MW took his down immediately.

[jack72]

Wonder when Grant will be meeting with Carter?

[CoffeeCan]

If we were in the Big East:

1. Archie may very well still be our coach (Indiana a big draw, I realize)
2. MW is our PG
3. Carter is still coming
4. No threads about the AAC (we are not going to a football conference)
5. The beer at Tim's tastes better
6. The chapel bell rings a little clearer
7. We would probably host the First Four moving forward
8. We make the tournament 9 out of 10 years
9. We are not a stepping stone or a retirement ground for an alumnus
10. No issue with SOS, home and homes
11. Better recruits
12. Better assistants
13. No more high school gyms at Bonnies, Fordham, and LaSalle
14. No more matching up against a #4 seed quality team while seeded as a #7
15. Way more money than the A10
16. Prestige that goes with playing in a top conference
17. Way more exposure on the networks and media
18. Get to beat down on Xavier again on a regular basis
19. Eliminate 50% of the posts on this site complaining about recruits, scheduling, seeding, and general disrespect
20. Elevating profile of all other UD athletics
21. Align us with more like institutions
I could go on...

Why is there not a three person committee dedicated to getting us into this conference?
Any costs incurred will be more than made up when we join.
I am sorry, if UD is so great and we can do so many things in the community, growing our campus, and improving UD as a brand there has to be more that we can do to make this happen.

The reasons that I have read that prevent us from getting in:
1. Not a big enough market
2. Xavier admin hates us
3. DePaul hates us
4. GTown hates us
5. Travel
6. There is some super secret Jesuit handshake that we don't know

All of the above is bull, and we are misinformed. These are Catholic institutions and have to be reasonable. I realize that college sports are a business, we just have to come to an agreement that works for the current members. With all the connections, brain power, and cash that UD has we sure can make it happen.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[priceg75]

Yes, you're right. The reason we're not in the Big East is we don't want it enough.

[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by priceg75 Yes, you're right. The reason we're not in the Big East is we don't want it enough.

There sure seem to be a lot of people on this board alone who don't, or are resigned to the fact that we can't or won't get in. This should be as important as acquiring the fairgrounds, updating the arena, whatever. Maybe the administation does not want it enough. That may be the problem.

[FlyerinChicago]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan If we were in the Big East: 1. Archie may very well still be our coach (Indiana a big draw, I realize) 2. MW is our PG 3. Carter is still coming 4. No threads about the AAC (we are not going to a football conference) 5. The beer at Tim's tastes better 6. The chapel bell rings a little clearer 7. We would probably host the First Four moving forward 8. We make the tournament 9 out of 10 years 9. We are not a stepping stone or a retirement ground for an alumnus 10. No issue with SOS, home and homes 11. Better recruits 12. Better assistants 13. No more high school gyms at Bonnies, Fordham, and LaSalle 14. No more matching up against a #4 seed quality team while seeded as a #7 15. Way more money than the A10 16. Prestige that goes with playing in a top conference 17. Way more exposure on the networks and media 18. Get to beat down on Xavier again on a regular basis 19. Eliminate 50% of the posts on this site complaining about recruits, scheduling, seeding, and general disrespect 20. Elevating profile of all other UD athletics 21. Align us with more like institutions I could go on... Why is there not a three person committee dedicated to getting us into this conference? Any costs incurred will be more than made up when we join. I am sorry, if UD is so great and we can do so many things in the community, growing our campus, and improving UD as a brand there has to be more that we can do to make this happen. The reasons that I have read that prevent us from getting in: 1. Not a big enough market 2. Xavier admin hates us 3. DePaul hates us 4. GTown hates us 5. Travel 6. There is some super secret Jesuit handshake that we don't know All of the above is bull, and we are misinformed. These are Catholic institutions and have to be reasonable. I realize that college sports are a business, we just have to come to an agreement that works for the current members. With all the connections, brain power, and cash that UD has we sure can make it happen.

It's quite simple actually. TIMING. If the Big East is looking for new schools now (before Archie left), we would be coming off 4 consecutive NCAA appearances with an Elite 8 run and have arguably the best coach under 40 in the country. At worse, I think we would have gotten in over Creighton (although I know there was some heavy Marquette influence there).

Unfortunately we didn't have much to offer at the time, or enough for them to take a flyer....and were not getting in the BE....it's over.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[CoffeeCan]

Wait, I forgot two more excuses:

1. Timing (it's over)
2. We just don't want it enough

Still not buying it.
Conferences are fluid, they change all the time.

[ud2]

Wait and see about what happens with the tv contract. I would not say we are definitely not getting in.

[jerseyflyer09]

This isn't an original idea, but I think the far more likely scenario is a conference we've yet to hear of. Form an alliance with the best programs in the A10 and move forward inviting like minded programs from the MVC, MAAC, etc to make a small, less-than but similar Big East type of league. I think that's the most likely scenario and a slight step up from the current A10 structure.

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 This isn't an original idea, but I think the far more likely scenario is a conference we've yet to hear of. Form an alliance with the best programs in the A10 and move forward inviting like minded programs from the MVC, MAAC, etc to make a small, less-than but similar Big East type of league. I think that's the most likely scenario and a slight step up from the current A10 structure.

That would seem to be a LOT of work just to be a slight step up over our current situation. If we can dominate the A10, we will be dancing ever year and be able to attract the recruits we want/need. Anything less that a jump to a currently existing or newly formed P5 league does nothing for us. IMHO the only things holding us back from the BE, are our TV market and our lack of consistent dominance in the A10.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 This isn't an original idea, but I think the far more likely scenario is a conference we've yet to hear of. Form an alliance with the best programs in the A10 and move forward inviting like minded programs from the MVC, MAAC, etc to make a small, less-than but similar Big East type of league. I think that's the most likely scenario and a slight step up from the current A10 structure.

A Midwest based conference like the Valley will have no interest in joining up with schools from the MAAC. The Valley, for the most part, does not have to travel far for games. Most are bus trips. They would want no part to traveling to MAAC schools who have absolutely no name value in the Midwest.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan If we were in the Big East: 1. Archie may very well still be our coach (Indiana a big draw, I realize) 2. MW is our PG 3. Carter is still coming 4. No threads about the AAC (we are not going to a football conference) 5. The beer at Tim's tastes better 6. The chapel bell rings a little clearer 7. We would probably host the First Four moving forward 8. We make the tournament 9 out of 10 years 9. We are not a stepping stone or a retirement ground for an alumnus 10. No issue with SOS, home and homes 11. Better recruits 12. Better assistants 13. No more high school gyms at Bonnies, Fordham, and LaSalle 14. No more matching up against a #4 seed quality team while seeded as a #7 15. Way more money than the A10 16. Prestige that goes with playing in a top conference 17. Way more exposure on the networks and media 18. Get to beat down on Xavier again on a regular basis 19. Eliminate 50% of the posts on this site complaining about recruits, scheduling, seeding, and general disrespect 20. Elevating profile of all other UD athletics 21. Align us with more like institutions I could go on... Why is there not a three person committee dedicated to getting us into this conference? Any costs incurred will be more than made up when we join. I am sorry, if UD is so great and we can do so many things in the community, growing our campus, and improving UD as a brand there has to be more that we can do to make this happen. The reasons that I have read that prevent us from getting in: 1. Not a big enough market 2. Xavier admin hates us 3. DePaul hates us 4. GTown hates us 5. Travel 6. There is some super secret Jesuit handshake that we don't know All of the above is bull, and we are misinformed. These are Catholic institutions and have to be reasonable. I realize that college sports are a business, we just have to come to an agreement that works for the current members. With all the connections, brain power, and cash that UD has we sure can make it happen.

Don't you think a poster on holy land of hoops can come up with a list of all there reasons why UD should not be in the BE?

Cut out all the bs and there are legitimate reasons why UD wants to be in the BE. However, there are legitimate reasons why the BE schools don't want UD in the BE. Guess who wins?

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[jerseyflyer09]

Originally Posted by N2663R That would seem to be a LOT of work just to be a slight step up over our current situation. If we can dominate the A10, we will be dancing ever year and be able to attract the recruits we want/need. Anything less that a jump to a currently existing or newly formed P5 league does nothing for us. IMHO the only things holding us back from the BE, are our TV market and our lack of consistent dominance in the A10.

I agree, if we knew that the A10 would continue unchanged for a decade. I often read 'dominate the A10' and have slight pause. We have been very good in the A10, but we just got off our first EVER outright title in what was our most prepared team to win in the last decade AND we were bounced in our first conference tournament game. We haven't won a conf. tournament championship since I have been following the team (was a frosh in '05). The teams that dominate their non power-5 conferences (zags, wichita in MVC, Memphis when they were in Conf. USA) truly DOMINATED. We've had good seasons, but we haven't done that.

On top of that, we look like we're heading towards a slight decline in production. I just think the sentiment to 'dominate' the A10 is overstated. With all of that said, I still agree if A10 stays the same over next 10 years I wouldn't 'work hard' to create a new league. But if someone takes VCU, Big East takes SLU (who will be very good very soon), we're left with an even more decimated and certainly more mid major league. Trying to be proactive, not reactive, as I learned in a Crisis Management course at UD.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[jerseyflyer09]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 A Midwest based conference like the Valley will have no interest in joining up with schools from the MAAC. The Valley, for the most part, does not have to travel far for games. Most are bus trips. They would want no part to traveling to MAAC schools who have absolutely no name value in the Midwest.

Those leagues were thrown out as taking say one from each, not a contingent. Without really putting hard thought into it, you take Dayton, VCU, SLU, St Joes, Davidson, URI and add Siena, Illinois State, etc etc to form a 9 or 10 team league. More staying power there and all solid RPI programs traditionally.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Sitdowndigger]

Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 Those leagues were thrown out as taking say one from each, not a contingent. Without really putting hard thought into it, you take Dayton, VCU, SLU, St Joes, Davidson, URI and add Siena, Illinois State, etc etc to form a 9 or 10 team league. More staying power there and all solid RPI programs traditionally.

Temple, Richmond, Wichita State and Memphis not sienna and definitely not Illinois state

Go up not lateral
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	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[jerseyflyer09]

Richmond you're right. Temple and Memphis no chance, football. And Wichita State isn't leaving AAC either.

I'm dealing in reality. You should add Gonzaga and Nova to your list, that would be a step up.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Sitdowndigger]

Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 Richmond you're right. Temple and Memphis no chance, football. And Wichita State isn't leaving AAC either. I'm dealing in reality. You should add Gonzaga and Nova to your list, that would be a step up.

Okay Debbie downer. Not talking today...or next year, but down the road when/if uconn cincy bolt and they are left with ecu....
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	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

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Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 On top of that, we look like we're heading towards a slight decline in production. I just think the sentiment to 'dominate' the A10 is overstated. With all of that said, I still agree if A10 stays the same over next 10 years I wouldn't 'work hard' to create a new league. But if someone takes VCU, Big East takes SLU (who will be very good very soon), we're left with an even more decimated and certainly more mid major league. Trying to be proactive, not reactive, as I learned in a Crisis Management course at UD.

The Big East is not going to consider a program like SLU.

The only way it expands is if ifs a program like UConn, but of course other things are going to have to happen for that to occur.

Big East expansion just isn't remotely likely in any period that is relevant for discussion. As far a SLU goes, they are 10x more likely to going to the Valley than the Big East and that's not even likely.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

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Yeah, what's to consider? New market, very good program back on the rise, major US city. Bridge to Creighton. Jesuit, like most there. Agreed, they never would consider them. They should consider us, the same exact thing as Xavier except not as good. I heard the East Coast Bullies love Southwest Ohio.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.