Top 144 countdown by collegesportsmadness.com, 2023-24 edition

[ud2]

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com...p-144-previews


It's back! A summertime/fall tradition.

I think all of these predictions should be taken with a grain of salt due to the situation with the increased number of transfers due to the transfer portal, the no-sit transfer rule, and NIL.

Nevertheless, I always enjoy the Top 144 countdown.

We start off with #144 Cal Berkeley and first year hc Mark "mad dog" Madsen, #10 in the Pac 12.


OOC:
LSU 128, 13...in the Charleston Classic field
SMU 124, 6
Wake Forest 77, 9...in the Charleston Classic field...NIT
Cincinnati 75, 12...NIT
North Texas 74, 4...in the Charleston Classic field...NIT
UNLV 70, 5
Utah 61, 6...Charleston Classic...NIT
Northwestern...54, 10...NIT
Saint John's...37, 7...Charleston Classic...NCAAT



A10:
SJU 126, 6
SBU 112, 5
Loyola 79, 4...NIT
Fordham 73, 3...NIT
Dayton 53, 2...NIT
Duquesne 43, 1...NCAA

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[ud2]

Saint Joseph's #126, #6 A10

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/21868

Only 2 key new players, a very low number in today's game.

Key Returning Players:
Erik Reynolds II, Junior, Guard, 19.6 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.5 apg
Cameron Brown, Senior, Guard, 13.3 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.7 apg
Lynn Greer III, Junior, Guard, 12.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 4.1 apg


Notables so far:

Notre Dame 142
Nebraska 137
Butler 134
Louisville 131
LSU 128



The A10 appears stronger this year. #6 is #126. Last year #6 was #149.

Last year Torvik rankings:

VCU 62...1
Dayton 68...2
SLU 98...3
Duquesne...121...4
Davidson 130...5
Fordham 149...6
George Mason 160...7
Richmond 166...8
SJU 179...9
SBU 186...10
GW 194...11
LaSalle 213...12
UMass 214...13
Loyola 230...14
RI 241...15

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[TommyGola]

Not much love for Archie at 241.

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by ud2 https://www.collegesportsmadness.com...p-144-previews It's back! A summertime/fall tradition. I think all of these predictions should be taken with a grain of salt due to the situation with the increased number of transfers due to the transfer portal, the no-sit transfer rule, and NIL. Nevertheless, I always enjoy the Top 144 countdown. We start off with #144 Cal Berkeley and first year hc Mark "mad dog" Madsen, #10 in the Pac 12.

First of all, I always enjoy reading this so thank you for posting it. I do have to give a big "LOL" for the "I think these predictions should be taken with a grain of salt..." comment. All predictions should always be taken with a grain of salt. That is why they actually play the games. I think this is especially true for teams not in the P5 where the predictor is basically just looking at % of scoring returning and last year's metrics.

With that said, to the extent the St. Joe's ranking is in any way accurate, I am shocked. I would have thought they would be top 10 given that they were able to pick up Lynn Greer after AG let him get away.

[TA111]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 First of all, I always enjoy reading this so thank you for posting it. I do have to give a big "LOL" for the "I think these predictions should be taken with a grain of salt..." comment. All predictions should always be taken with a grain of salt. That is why they actually play the games. I think this is especially true for teams not in the P5 where the predictor is basically just looking at % of scoring returning and last year's metrics. With that said, to the extent the St. Joe's ranking is in any way accurate, I am shocked. I would have thought they would be top 10 given that they were able to pick up Lynn Greer after AG let him get away.

Yes, somewhat surprising since he did score 9 points against the Flyers in 2 games, and shot 24%.

[ud2]

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/21870

SMU #124, #6 American

The Flyers play at SMU this year.

Coach: Michael Lewis
Coach Record: 10-22 at SMU, 121-122 overall

Key Departed Players:
Zach Nutall, Guard, 13.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 2.7 apg
Efe Odigie, Forward, 11.3 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 1.0 apg

Key Returning Players:
Zhuric Phelps, Junior, Guard, 17.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.2 apg

Key New Players:
Denver Anglin, Sophomore, Guard, Transfer from Georgetown
B.J. Edwards, Sophomore, Guard, Transfer from Tennessee
Chuck Harris, Senior, Guard, Transfer from Butler
Ja’Heim Hudson, Junior, Forward, Transfer from Georgia State
Emory Lanier, Senior, Guard, Transfer from Davidson
Tyreek Smith, Senior, Forward, Transfer from Oklahoma State

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 First of all, I always enjoy reading this so thank you for posting it. I do have to give a big "LOL" for the "I think these predictions should be taken with a grain of salt..." comment. All predictions should always be taken with a grain of salt. That is why they actually play the games. I think this is especially true for teams not in the P5 where the predictor is basically just looking at % of scoring returning and last year's metrics. With that said, to the extent the St. Joe's ranking is in any way accurate, I am shocked. I would have thought they would be top 10 given that they were able to pick up Lynn Greer after AG let him get away.

I will predict Dayton to be picked at around #20-#25 in this poll. They had Dayton at #30 last year, but there were injuries. The incoming 7 players appear to be strong, but this pollster might hold last year against UD, despite the injuries. Otherwise, if they don't hold last year against UD, I suppose they could give UD a better ranking than #20-#25, assuming there are no big injury problems.

We lost Camara, Blakney, Amzil, Mike, Baker, Richard, and Washington, but we added Cheeks, Santos, Allen, Padegimas, Bennett, Jack, and Simon. 7 out and 7 in. It would've been 8 in, but Erceg is out now. UD could still replace Erceg with somebody else.

[ud2]

I forgot to note that LSU is #128, #13 SEC. LSU is playing in the Charleston tourney.

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/21866



Saint Bonaventure #112, #5 A10

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/21896

Pretty strong returning cast, I am surprised that they are not in a better spot on this countdown list.


Key Returning Players:
Daryl Banks III, Senior, Guard, 15.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.3 apg
Chad Venning, Junior, Forward, 12.7 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 0.7 apg
Kyrell Luc, Junior, Guard, 11.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 4.3 apg
Moses Flowers, Senior, Guard, 9.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 1.5 apg
Yann Farell, Sophomore, Forward, 8.9 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 apg


Key New Players:
Mika Adams-Woods, Senior, Guard, Transfer from Cincinnati
Noel Brown, Junior, Center, Transfer from George Washington

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

[OSU Flyer]

Looks like they just do a fact sheet on the team without any write up

[ud2]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Looks like they just do a fact sheet on the team without any write up

They quit creating a write-up for each team last year, I assume that the explosion in the number of transfers made it too difficult to write an accurate write-up.

I am impressed that they are even able to piece together each team's roster, some of these teams iinm have as many as around 11 or 12 new players some years in the form of incoming transfers or incoming high school recruits.

With all of their rankings, I would be cautious as to the accuracy of the rankings. It is very difficult to be accurate with so many transfers.

[Beatty Town Coach]

I doubt the Flyers will be listed between 90 and 100, but they are almost down to 100 and counting, and so with players who have transferred out, UD could pop up on the list any time now. Hope not, but I don't see us in the top 30 or 40.

[CraSch]

Originally Posted by ud2 Notables so far: Notre Dame 142 Nebraska 137 Butler 134 Louisville 131 LSU 128

ud2, this is not meant negative, I'm truly curious what makes a team notable, because I would not consider Nebraska notable. A football school who's football has fallen on hard times and basketball team has never mattered than I can recall (but then, I don't have a great memory). Looking up the last 5 seasons, their last winning basketball season was 2018-19 at 18-16. In the 4 years since they've been 40-83. So why notable? if because in a big conference, I disagree, because you can still be in a big conference and not matter in a sport.

Again, not trying to get anyone's temperature up, I'm truly just curious why they were included as "notable".

Oh, and thank you for starting this thread, I love seeing this Top 144 each year and glad you got it going.

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by CraSch ud2, this is not meant negative, I'm truly curious what makes a team notable, because I would not consider Nebraska notable. A football school who's football has fallen on hard times and basketball team has never mattered than I can recall (but then, I don't have a great memory). Looking up the last 5 seasons, their last winning basketball season was 2018-19 at 18-16. In the 4 years since they've been 40-83. So why notable? if because in a big conference, I disagree, because you can still be in a big conference and not matter in a sport. Again, not trying to get anyone's temperature up, I'm truly just curious why they were included as "notable". Oh, and thank you for starting this thread, I love seeing this Top 144 each year and glad you got it going.

Speaking of teams (that we play) who are inconsequential in major conferences...is Northwestern even going to have an athletic program when they are done settling all these lawsuits?

[ud2]

Originally Posted by CraSch ud2, this is not meant negative, I'm truly curious what makes a team notable, because I would not consider Nebraska notable. A football school who's football has fallen on hard times and basketball team has never mattered than I can recall (but then, I don't have a great memory). Looking up the last 5 seasons, their last winning basketball season was 2018-19 at 18-16. In the 4 years since they've been 40-83. So why notable? if because in a big conference, I disagree, because you can still be in a big conference and not matter in a sport. Again, not trying to get anyone's temperature up, I'm truly just curious why they were included as "notable". Oh, and thank you for starting this thread, I love seeing this Top 144 each year and glad you got it going.

My biggest reason for saying that Nebraska men's basketball was notable is because they were #10 in the country in attendance for the 2021-2022 season at 15,283 fans/home game. They are consistently among the top attendance teams in d1. With that amount of support, I don't understand why they don't have a much more successful history.

NCAA tournament appearances for Nebraska
1986, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1998, 2014...only 7

I agree that their history is not great. They also have a head coach, Fred Hoiberg, who has been a winning coach in d1. He did fairly well as hc of the NBA's Chicago Bulls for 3+ years also:

First year...42-40...missed playoffs
Second year...41-41...made playoffs, lost in 1st round
Third year...27-55...missed playoffs
Fourth year...5-19...fired

[CraSch]

ud2, thanks for the reply. I never thought to check their attendance and didn't know it was that high. Shockingly impressive. Maybe after husking corn all day going to the game is like going to the bar.....there's a game on tv/on the court, but you are only sorta paying attention as what you're really doing is hanging out, bull****ting and getting drunk with your friends, the game is totally secondary

[ud2]

Originally Posted by CraSch ud2, thanks for the reply. I never thought to check their attendance and didn't know it was that high. Shockingly impressive. Maybe after husking corn all day going to the game is like going to the bar.....there's a game on tv/on the court, but you are only sorta paying attention as what you're really doing is hanging out, bull****ting and getting drunk with your friends, the game is totally secondary

I would be pretty angry if I was a Nebraska Cornhuskers basketball fan. They are drawing 15,000+/game, and they suck considering the level of support they are getting along with the fact that they are in a good p5 league.

I assume the problem is that, for whatever reason, they can't compete with Michigan State, Indiana, Ohio State, Maryland, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Purdue, and Iowa.

Penn State, Northwestern, Rutgers, and Minnesota are also good, but those 4 along with Nebraska, seem to be in the lower tier of the league.

Nebraska has to be one of the most underachieving p5 programs in the country considering their level of fan support.

[sheg]

I'd be shocked if the 15k is actual butts in seats vs. tickets sold.

[ud2]

Wright State #100, #1 Horizon League...Tanner Holden is back on the team after transferring from Wright State to Ohio State. I wonder if that is a first: going from team 1 to team 2 then back to team 1.

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/21935

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Originally Posted by ud2 Wright State #100, #1 Horizon League...Tanner Holden is back on the team after transferring from Wright State to Ohio State. I wonder if that is a first: going from team 1 to team 2 then back to team 1. https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/21935

They must be assuming that Tanner Holden will get a waiver to play immediately since this is his second transfer without graduating.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by sheg I'd be shocked if the 15k is actual butts in seats vs. tickets sold.

Could be, looks like actual attendance was 41% lower than reported attendance in 2020. Was covid a factor though?

https://omaha.com/sports/college/hus...6e4e0475b.html

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 Wright State #100, #1 Horizon League...Tanner Holden is back on the team after transferring from Wright State to Ohio State. I wonder if that is a first: going from team 1 to team 2 then back to team 1. https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/21935

It's happened before. Donovan Kirk Miami to DePaul back to Miami

Someone else did it around then too

[ud2]

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/21959

Sharavjamts and San Francisco at #93, #4 WCC.

Mustapha Amzil and New Mexico IMO will likely be on this top 144 list since NM finished at #71 last year.

RJ Blakney and Old Dominion will likely not be on this list, ODU finished at #195 last year.

So it looks like Richard and Kaleb Washington did not land anywhere. Tyrone Baker landed at a JUCO school in Florida.

Camara was drafted. Those are the 7 we lost.

[NJFlyr71]

Originally Posted by ud2 https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/21959 Sharavjamts and San Francisco at #93, #4 WCC. Mustapha Amzil and New Mexico IMO will likely be on this top 144 list since NM finished at #71 last year. RJ Blakney and Old Dominion will likely not be on this list, ODU finished at #195 last year. So it looks like Richard and Kaleb Washington did not land anywhere. Tyrone Baker landed at a JUCO school in Florida. Camara was drafted. Those are the 7 we lost.

Not to be too harsh but, gee who knew that they (the underlined) would be a wasted scholly?

[ud2]

Nevada comes in at #84, #6 in the Mountain West...NIT projection

Utah State came in at #122, #7 in the MW.

Remember a few years ago when there was supposed to be an annual Atlantic 10 vs. Mountain West challenge starting up? The challenge got postponed until 2021, but it never happened in 2021.

We were worried about the MW not being good enough for the A10. I think it is actually the other way around. They have 7 teams in the top 122. This challenge would definitely be a good thing for the A10.

The A10 needs to try to restart this challenge.

We were supposed to play Nevada in Reno, Nevada on Sun Dec 6, 2020.

Why was this challenge postponed? Covid?

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...IM4SG2NWGLBV4/

[ud2]

Stanford #88, #8 PAC 12.

I wanted to comment that current hc Jarod Haase is entering his 8th year there, he is 0/7 there, Stanford was close to getting a nccat bid in the covid year, but Torvik had them on the wrong side of the bubble.

He has to be on the hot seat IMO, I am surprised that he didn't get fired yet.

[springborofan]

The Stanford AD has had a lot on his plate over the past 4 months.

FWIW, I see UD coming somewhere between 35-40.

[Flyers98]

Will someone please remind me to do a comparison of this top 144 and the final NET in April? It just amazes me every year how much stock people put in these preseason click bait projections.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 Will someone please remind me to do a comparison of this top 144 and the final NET in April? It just amazes me every year how much stock people put in these preseason click bait projections.

There is a whole top 144 archive going back to 2009:

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com...reviews?page=5

Torvik has an end of season ratings archive going back to 2008. Kenpom has one going back to 2002. You can compare the preseason and final rankings. I did a comparison of the preseason and final ratings with this top 144 list a few years ago. Knock yourself out, lol.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 Will someone please remind me to do a comparison of this top 144 and the final NET in April? It just amazes me every year how much stock people put in these preseason click bait projections.

You can file this under bracketology as well.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by springborofan The Stanford AD has had a lot on his plate over the past 4 months. FWIW, I see UD coming somewhere between 35-40.

About Stanford: agreed.

About our ranking in this preview: I see them rating us closer to #50, +/- about 3 spots. Too many new pieces, plus a couple of offseason surgeries to returning lettermen.
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[ud2]

Loyola #79, #4 A10...NIT projection

I am very surprised by this, I thought somebody else would be #4, Loyola has a pretty good returning cast. I assume that Dayton, VCU, and SLU are 1, 2, and 3. Loyola finished dead last in the A10 last year.


Key Returning Players:

Philip Alston, Senior, Forward, 14.6 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 1.0 apg
Braden Norris, Senior, Guard, 10.9 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 4.0 apg
Ben Schwieger, Sophomore, Guard, 9.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.1 apg
Tom Welch, Senior, Forward, 7.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.5 apg

Key New Players:

Des Watson, Junior, Guard, Transfer from Davidson


https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/22009

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[OSU Flyer]

I don't know if that speaks to Loyola being much improved or the A10 being down again

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 Nevada comes in at #84, #6 in the Mountain West. Utah State came in at #122, #7 in the MW. Remember a few years ago when there was supposed to be an annual Atlantic 10 vs. Mountain West challenge starting up? The challenge got postponed until 2021, but it never happened in 2021. We were worried about the MW not being good enough for the A10. I think it is actually the other way around. They have 7 teams in the top 122. This challenge would definitely be a good thing for the A10. The A10 needs to try to restart this challenge. We were supposed to play Nevada in Reno, Nevada on Sun Dec 6, 2020. Why was this challenge postponed? Covid? https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...IM4SG2NWGLBV4/

pandemic shut it down and I've never seen anything about restarting it.

Seems like it would be a good idea to restart it to me but if nothing else the MWC would be a good league to target for H/Hs in OOC

[ud2]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer pandemic shut it down and I've never seen anything about restarting it. Seems like it would be a good idea to restart it to me but if nothing else the MWC would be a good league to target for H/Hs in OOC

Torvik has Loyola at #64, this site must be looking at something similar in order to elevate the last place A10 team from last year to a much higher position. I am wondering if SLU is not going to be in the top 3, Torvik has SLU at #127. If SLU is not in the top 3, then why did SLU bring back hc Ford? You only bring back Ford for an 8th year if you think he can turn it around. Maybe SLU's 2023 off-season recruiting didn't pan out.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by ud2 Torvik has Loyola at #64, this site must be looking at something similar in order to elevate the last place A10 team from last year to a much higher position. I am wondering if SLU is not going to be in the top 3, Torvik has SLU at #127. If SLU is not in the top 3, then why did SLU bring back hc Ford? You only bring back Ford for an 8th year if you think he can turn it around. Maybe SLU's 2023 off-season recruiting didn't pan out.

They probably didn't have the lead pipe lock prediction before they made their coaching decision. Somebody should ask if all these guys can get their predictions out in April or May so that teams know if they should fire their coach or not.

OR...and this is my suspicion, if you aren't in a P5 conference they aren't doing a deep dive on your recruits and transfers, injuries from last year that effected stats. They are just plugging last year's stats into the number box and whatever comes out comes out, trust the science. Loyola has 4 returning players who contributed last year, therefore, they are going to be better than UD who has a bunch of guys who didn't play alot last year, and one returning player of significance. If only Vegas agreed, that would be a money maker for sure.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 Torvik has Loyola at #64, this site must be looking at something similar in order to elevate the last place A10 team from last year to a much higher position. I am wondering if SLU is not going to be in the top 3, Torvik has SLU at #127. If SLU is not in the top 3, then why did SLU bring back hc Ford? You only bring back Ford for an 8th year if you think he can turn it around. Maybe SLU's 2023 off-season recruiting didn't pan out.

When I glanced at their message board after the season they had a bunch of fans unhappy that Ford wasn't let go

Maybe they couldn't get out from under his contract? Their fans claim he's the highest paid coach in the league.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 OR...and this is my suspicion, if you aren't in a P5 conference they aren't doing a deep dive on your recruits and transfers, injuries from last year that effected stats. They are just plugging last year's stats into the number box and whatever comes out comes out, trust the science. Loyola has 4 returning players who contributed last year, therefore, they are going to be better than UD who has a bunch of guys who didn't play alot last year, and one returning player of significance. If only Vegas agreed, that would be a money maker for sure.

I am skeptical. What about SJU and SBU? Both those teams have pretty strong returning casts, they have stronger returnees than Loyola does. Why does Loyola vault from #15 last year to #4 this year, but SJU and SBU are #112 and #126?

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by ud2 I am skeptical. What about SJU and SBU? Both those teams have pretty strong returning casts, they have stronger returnees than Loyola does. Why does Loyola vault from #15 last year to #4 this year, but SJU and SBU are #112 and #126?

When YOU say someone has a strong returning cast, I assume that is based in some way on your familiarity with the players and the team, so you know that a guy who scored 8 a game for SBU is a better player and contributor (on a better team), than say Lynn Greer. The computers don't have any of that, they just have raw numbers, (and projected numbers for freshman and transfers). If you are believer though, I would be happy to make a UD-Loyola wager. Better conference record, better final NET, I don't care. I mean the math is obviously in your favor.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by ud2 I am skeptical. What about SJU and SBU? Both those teams have pretty strong returning casts, they have stronger returnees than Loyola does. Why does Loyola vault from #15 last year to #4 this year, but SJU and SBU are #112 and #126?

IIRC, Mid Major Madness (or a similar outlet) had Saint Louis at #10 in their preseason rankings.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 When YOU say someone has a strong returning cast, I assume that is based in some way on your familiarity with the players and the team, so you know that a guy who scored 8 a game for SBU is a better player and contributor (on a better team), than say Lynn Greer. The computers don't have any of that, they just have raw numbers, (and projected numbers for freshman and transfers). If you are believer though, I would be happy to make a UD-Loyola wager. Better conference record, better final NET, I don't care. I mean the math is obviously in your favor.

I am basing my comparison of Loyola, SBU, and SJU on the fact that all 3 are in the same league. Looking at the stats, it looks like SBU and SJU have stronger returnees, plus Loyola was dead last last year. So, yes, I would say that constitutes familiarity with all 3 teams.

I don't know why these pollsters have Loyola ranked so high. None of the incoming freshmen recruits for these 3 teams are noted as being highly ranked. I guess I will attribute Loyola's ranking to these transfers that they have coming in.

I will take you up on the bet. Dayton vs. Loyola. I will take Dayton to have a better conference record and better final NET. Dayton will be ranked higher than Loyola in this poll.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by ud2 I am basing my comparison of Loyola, SBU, and SJU on the fact that all 3 are in the same league. Looking at the stats, it looks like SBU and SJU have stronger returnees, plus Loyola was dead last last year. So, yes, I would say that constitutes familiarity with all 3 teams. I don't know why these pollsters have Loyola ranked so high. None of the incoming freshmen recruits for these 3 teams are noted as being highly ranked. I guess I will attribute Loyola's ranking to these transfers that they have coming in. I will take you up on the bet. Dayton vs. Loyola. I will take Dayton to have a better conference record and better final NET. Dayton will be ranked higher than Loyola in this poll.

I would have thought it was clear from my previous posts that I think preseason computer projections are BS and that I would be taking Dayton, who is ranked below Loyola by Torvik, (he lives in Chicago, maybe that has something to do with it). That was sort of my whole point, I don't see a realistic scenario where Loyola is better than UD this year despite what these experts say.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 I would have thought it was clear from my previous posts that I think preseason computer projections are BS and that I would be taking Dayton, who is ranked below Loyola by Torvik, (he lives in Chicago, maybe that has something to do with it). That was sort of my whole point, I don't see a realistic scenario where Loyola is better than UD this year despite what these experts say.

You made it clear that you thought the Torvik prediction for Loyola was bs. I apologize if I wasn't clear that I also think Dayton will be better than Loyola.

Still though, the Torvik and top 144 predictions for Loyola are within 14 spots of each other, 65 and 79. I am inclined to believe that Loyola may have a good year based upon that. Loyola may finish closer to Dayton than I had earlier thought was possible.

I have no idea how much value to assign to these predictions, but I wouldn't say they are total bs, I think they have some predictive value. But I agree that they are at best educated guesses.

[Buckleyma]

Here we go again with Wake Forest on this countdown being picked down at the bottom of their conference. Wake Forest keeps changing head coaches but it seems the same. Here we go again with Efton Reid. He has a much Ballyhooed recruitment and goes to LSU where his Mom wanted him to go, then to Gonzaga and now to Wake Forest.
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[ud2]

Originally Posted by Buckleyma Here we go again with Wake Forest on this countdown being picked down at the bottom of their conference. Wake Forest keeps changing head coaches but it seems the same. Here we go again with Efton Reid. He has a much Ballyhooed recruitment and goes to LSU where his Mom wanted him to go, then to Gonzaga and now to Wake Forest. Posted via Mobile Device

Wake is in the Charleston Classic field...NIT projection

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by ud2 Loyola #79, #4 A10. I am very surprised by this, I thought somebody else would be #4, Loyola has a pretty good returning cast. I assume that Dayton, VCU, and SLU are 1, 2, and 3. Loyola finished dead last in the A10 last year. . .

Sister Jean just turned 104 years old, so there's that . . .

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[ud2]

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/22023

Cincinnati #75, #12 in Big 12...NIT projection

There are 14 teams in the Big 12 right now, Texas and Oklahoma are leaving the Big 12 on July 1, 2024. Cincinnati, BYU, UCF, and Houston joined the Big 12 this year.

[Buckleyma]

North Texas comes in on the countdown. They are a potential opponent in the Charleston classic and have Mo Sissoko on the roster. Mo’s statistics look very similar to what he did in his Dayton roster period.
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Buckleyma North Texas comes in on the countdown. They are a potential opponent in the Charleston classic and have Mo Sissoko on the roster. Mo’s statistics look very similar to what he did in his Dayton roster period. Posted via Mobile Device

I see that he’s listed as a Junior. By the time his eligibility runs out, he might have an AARP card. Ah, the lasting effects of COVID!

Good luck, Mou!
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[ud2]

Originally Posted by Buckleyma North Texas comes in on the countdown. They are a potential opponent in the Charleston classic and have Mo Sissoko on the roster. Mo’s statistics look very similar to what he did in his Dayton roster period. Posted via Mobile Device

They have a new hc now at North Texas, his name is Ross Hodge. The coach last year, Grant McCasland, is the hc at Texas Tech now.

NIT projection

[CraSch]

Originally Posted by Buckleyma North Texas comes in on the countdown. They are a potential opponent in the Charleston classic and have Mo Sissoko on the roster. Mo’s statistics look very similar to what he did in his Dayton roster period. Posted via Mobile Device

For reasons I don't know, Moulaye started the last 3 games on the Mean Green's NIT Championship run. He averaged 32.3 minutes a game, 8.3 points on 12 for 17 shooting, and 10 rebounds a game. 2 of the games were against Wisconsin and Okla St, and he had 15 rebounds against the Cowboys.

So the question is, is he finally coming around or was that a 3 game fluke?

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

IIRC he had been playing behind someone who became injured during the NIT. He got his number called and performed well. I watched a number of their NIT games.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan IIRC he had been playing behind someone who became injured during the NIT. He got his number called and performed well. I watched a number of their NIT games.

Don't you read this board? Nobody watches NIT games!

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[ud2]

Fordham #73, #3 A10.

I gotta say that I am surprised by this. I assume Dayton and VCU are 1 and 2. So SLU, Davidson, and Richmond are not even in the top 6.

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/22029

NIT projection...the NIT projections iinm started with #86 Texas Tech

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by ud2 Fordham #73, #3 A10. I gotta say that I am surprised by this. I assume Dayton and VCU are 1 and 2. So SLU, Davidson, and Richmond are not even in the top 6. https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/22029 NIT projection...the NIT projections iinm started with #86 Texas Tech

Unless they’re figuring that VCU drops precipitously, with the losses of Rhoades, Baldwin, and many others…?
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	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UD62]

Looked back at our last 12 rankings starting in 22. Rankings were 30,102, 57 ,51,nr, 53,28, 38, 27, 48, 92, 120, The nr was '18, couldn't find the Flyers anywhere,

[Buckleyma]

Fordham’s non- conference schedule for this year does not look formidable. Fordham could have a nice looking win/loss statistics beginning the A10 conference schedule. Albeit not much of a power rating.
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	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 Fordham #73, #3 A10. I gotta say that I am surprised by this. I assume Dayton and VCU are 1 and 2. So SLU, Davidson, and Richmond are not even in the top 6. https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/22029 NIT projection...the NIT projections iinm started with #86 Texas Tech

We'll see how this season plays out but I think there's warning signs surrounding Davidson long term.

Richmond it seems like Mooney had one good season that he can milk into another stretch of mediocrity

Saint Louis AD backing Ford last year is basically saying they don't care about competing at the highest levels of the A10

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Buckleyma]

I see Charleston comes in the countdown by being predicted to win the CAA conference. Strangely enough, Charleston will NOT be in the Charleston Classic tournament. I see Frankie Policelli ( former Dayton player) has transferred from Stony Brook to Charleston.
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[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by Buckleyma I see Charleston comes in the countdown by being predicted to win the CAA conference. Strangely enough, Charleston will NOT be in the Charleston Classic tournament. I see Frankie Policelli ( former Dayton player) has transferred from Stony Brook to Charleston. Posted via Mobile Device

Depending on how hard it gets to schedule, Charleston wouldn't be bad option for a home and home series

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Buckleyma I see Charleston comes in the countdown by being predicted to win the CAA conference. Strangely enough, Charleston will NOT be in the Charleston Classic tournament. I see Frankie Policelli ( former Dayton player) has transferred from Stony Brook to Charleston. Posted via Mobile Device

And, per the CofC Men’s Basketball site, he grew 2”. They have him listed at 6’9” and 225 lbs.
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[Viperstick]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 And, per the CofC Men’s Basketball site, he grew 2”. They have him listed at 6’9” and 225 lbs. Posted via Mobile Device

Good Lord!!!


I thought Policelli would be drawing Social Security by now, but he's still playing college ball?!?!!

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by Viperstick Good Lord!!! I thought Policelli would be drawing Social Security by now, but he's still playing college ball?!?!!

Oregon football had a guy get a 9th year of eligibility

https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...rning-in-2023/

[Bill McPeek]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Oregon football had a guy get a 9th year of eligibility https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...rning-in-2023/

Being a "student athlete" I assume he has at least one PhD by now!

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Oregon football had a guy get a 9th year of eligibility https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...rning-in-2023/

Sorry, folks, but the “Grammar Nazi” in me was awakened by the first paragraph of that article, when the author noted that the player in question had been “through the ringer”. Umm…it’s “wringer”, as in the part of an antique washing machine that was used to “wring” the water out of the clothes.

To think: the author probably paid decent money for that degree in journalism, communications, or some other field.
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[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 Sorry, folks, but the “Grammar Nazi” in me was awakened by the first paragraph of that article, when the author noted that the player in question had been “through the ringer”. Umm…it’s “wringer”, as in the part of an antique washing machine that was used to “wring” the water out of the clothes. To think: the author probably paid decent money for that degree in journalism, communications, or some other field. Posted via Mobile Device

and probably has an editor whose only job is to catch that stuff. I have noticed a pretty steady decline in the journalism trade. Be it substance or form. You can find the same stuff in NYT articles. I am a bit more understanding when its online vs. print. Not sure what that is, it shouldn't make a difference.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 and probably has an editor whose only job is to catch that stuff. I have noticed a pretty steady decline in the journalism trade. Be it substance or form. You can find the same stuff in NYT articles. I am a bit more understanding when its online vs. print. Not sure what that is, it shouldn't make a difference.

Not only is the journalism itself becoming a lost art, but the editing may be even more of a lost art...meaning there is very little editing happening.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 Sorry, folks, but the “Grammar Nazi” in me was awakened by the first paragraph of that article, when the author noted that the player in question had been “through the ringer”. Umm…it’s “wringer”, as in the part of an antique washing machine that was used to “wring” the water out of the clothes . . .

To be fair, 'ringer' is a dead ringer for 'wringer'.

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[springborofan]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer Not only is the journalism itself becoming a lost art, but the editing may be even more of a lost art...meaning there is very little editing happening.

I posted this recently. A few weeks ago the DDN had a headline about Joe Thomas getting inducted into the NFL HOF. The headline read something like “Browns Guard inducted…”

Joe Thomas set an NFL record for consecutive snaps…at Tackle.

Shameful. Pathetic. I’m having a hard time coming up with the correct adjective. Si Burick must be turning over in his grave.

[ud2]

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/22038

UNLV #70, #5

NIT projection

Lost about 59 ppg of scoring

Key Departed Players:
EJ Harkless, Guard, 19.1 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 3.4 apg
Keshon Gilbert, Guard, 11.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.2 apg
Luis Rodriguez, Guard, 10.7 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 1.1 apg
Jordan McCabe, Guard, 5.5 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.8 apg
David Muoka, Center, 4.6 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.4 apg
Elijah Parquet, Guard, 4.3 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg
Victor Iwuakor, Forward, 3.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.2 apg

[Don]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 Sorry, folks, but the “Grammar Nazi” in me was awakened by the first paragraph of that article, when the author noted that the player in question had been “through the ringer”. Umm…it’s “wringer”, as in the part of an antique washing machine that was used to “wring” the water out of the clothes. To think: the author probably paid decent money for that degree in journalism, communications, or some other field. Posted via Mobile Device

Touche (pardon for not knowing how to put the little mark over the e)

[CraSch]

Originally Posted by springborofan I posted this recently. A few weeks ago the DDN had a headline about Joe Thomas getting inducted into the NFL HOF. The headline read something like “Browns Guard inducted…” Joe Thomas set an NFL record for consecutive snaps…at Tackle. Shameful. Pathetic. I’m having a hard time coming up with the correct adjective. Si Burick must be turning over in his grave.

I'm not a teacher, nor do I consider myself a grammar aficionado, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Isn't that headline a case of a possessive of a plural noun, so it should be "Browns' Tackle....", with the apostrophe after the s in Browns?

[tirebiter]

Originally Posted by CraSch I'm not a teacher, nor do I consider myself a grammar aficionado, so correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't that headline a case of a possessive of a plural noun, so it should be "Browns' Tackle....", with the apostrophe after the s in Browns?

Good catch, grammaratically speaking.

[Buckleyma]

Arizona State comes in in the countdown. I see former Belmont high school student, Shawn Philips has left LSU and joined Arizona State.
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[ud2]

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/22062

Utah...Charleston Classic team...#61, #6 PAC-12...NIT projection

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by ud2 https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/22062 Utah...Charleston Classic team...#61, #6 PAC-12...NIT projection

I see that they have a player named Gabe Madsen who’s both a Key Returning Player and a Key New Player. He must have been pretty good, to have played for both Utah and UC last season!
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[springborofan]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 I see that they have a player named Gabe Madsen who’s both a Key Returning Player and a Key New Player. He must have been pretty good, to have played for both Utah and UC last season! Posted via Mobile Device

Malichi Smith played for both UD and Gonzaga last year! 😀

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by springborofan Malichi Smith played for both UD and Gonzaga last year! 😀

Touché!
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[UDGutter2]

With Fordham checking in at 73 and number 3 in the A-10, and no more A-10 teams list since up to number 55, which 2 of UD, VCU, and SLU make the top 54 and which one did not make the top 144. My guess is SLU is out and UD and VCU battle for the top.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Chris R]

How in the world is VCU in the Top-3 with everything they lost? They just lost Joe Bamisile this week to a denied appeal from the NCAA. Former GW and Oklahoma player, and former Top-100 HS kid. Not only that they lost their coach in the offseason.

That's a lot of faith, even in the VCU Machine world.

[T-Bone 84]

Chris, I understand and agree with your sense of incredulity, but I have a feeling that the VCU program has reached a point where on-court excellence is expected, no matter who is on the roster or on staff. Sort of like how Paris Hilton and the Kardashians are famous for being famous. It’s simply expected that they will contend for the A10 title.

Now, watch SLU and UD be the top 2 picks, blowing my assumption out of the water.
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	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 Chris, I understand and agree with your sense of incredulity, but I have a feeling that the VCU program has reached a point where on-court excellence is expected, no matter who is on the roster or on staff. Sort of like how Paris Hilton and the Kardashians are famous for being famous. It’s simply expected that they will contend for the A10 title. Now, watch SLU and UD be the top 2 picks, blowing my assumption out of the water. Posted via Mobile Device

They have earned this respect. VCU has only one finish outside the top-100 in Ken Pom in the last 15 years. Many of those years they were well inside the top-50. They are a program that consistently performs, regardless of coach or pre-season outlook.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Buckleyma]

Northwestern comes in the countdown. We play Northwestern in Chicago. They are picked 10th in the Big 10. Northwestern has a guard averaging 17 points a game. He is a 6’2” graduate student. Who at Dayton will guard this guy?
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[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by Buckleyma Northwestern comes in the countdown. We play Northwestern in Chicago. They are picked 10th in the Big 10. Northwestern has a guard averaging 17 points a game. He is a 6’2” graduate student. Who at Dayton will guard this guy? Posted via Mobile Device

Where did he transfer from? If it was Duke I’m concerned. In any event we should have the guard depth to aggressively defend the perimeter this year. We have Javon Bennett who led the nation in steals last year as a freshman at Merrimack, (I know there is a step up in competition but that tells me he can play defense without fouling).

[ud2]

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/22077

Dayton Flyers..#53, #2 A10...NIT projection

I thought we'd be ranked higher than this, they picked us at #30 last year. I thought we'd be #1 in the A10 also. VCU is definitely going to be #1. SLU is not in the top 6.

The offfense needs to improve, the defense is great. Our 3 point shooting also needs improvement as does our free throw %. Rebounds are great, assists and turnovers look good.

Scoring Offense: 68.6 (252nd in nation, 12th in conference)
Scoring Defense: 61.0 (10, 1)
Field-Goal Percentage: 46.7 (55, 3)
Field-Goal Defense: 39.3 (9, 1)
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game: 6.6 (259, 12)
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage: 33.8 (191, 7)
Free-Throw Percentage: 69.9 (241, 10)
Rebound Margin: 5.1 (30, 1)
Assists Per Game: 15.2 (41, 3)
Turnovers Per Game: 12.1 (149, 4)


So our consensus ranking is 60 across the top 144, Torvik, and Resource Nexis...53+71+57/3=60.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 Where did he transfer from? If it was Duke I’m concerned. In any event we should have the guard depth to aggressively defend the perimeter this year. We have Javon Bennett who led the nation in steals last year as a freshman at Merrimack, (I know there is a step up in competition but that tells me he can play defense without fouling).

Doesn't look like he transferred in, he was at NW last year iinm.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by ud2 Doesn't look like he transferred in, he was at NW last year iinm.

Per ESPN, he’s been at Northwestern for 4 years, and this is his COVID Bonus year.
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[T-Bone 84]

Welp…I guess we have some “bulletin board” material. The experts don’t think we’ll be better than 53rd in the country, and behind a program that lost its HC and several of its top players. Time to prove it on the court.
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 About Stanford: agreed. About our ranking in this preview: I see them rating us closer to #50, +/- about 3 spots. Too many new pieces, plus a couple of offseason surgeries to returning lettermen. Posted via Mobile Device

Bump.

I’m sorry I was right. The guys will just need to prove it on the court.
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[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by ud2 Doesn't look like he transferred in, he was at NW last year iinm.

Thanks, when I saw grad student, I assumed he was a newcomer.

[Buckleyma]

Very disappointing that Dayton is already on the board and not considered higher in the pecking order. Also, disappointed that Dayton is picked for the NIT as this means that the A10 is considered a one bid league. The countdown did some research as they are listing as newcomers, even the walk-ons.
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[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by ud2 https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/22077 Dayton Flyers..#53, #2 A10...NIT projection I thought we'd be ranked higher than this, they picked us at #30 last year. I thought we'd be #1 in the A10 also. VCU is definitely going to be #1. SLU is not in the top 6. The offfense needs to improve, the defense is great. Our 3 point shooting also needs improvement as does our free throw %. Rebounds are great, assists and turnovers look good. Scoring Offense: 68.6 (252nd in nation, 12th in conference) Scoring Defense: 61.0 (10, 1) Field-Goal Percentage: 46.7 (55, 3) Field-Goal Defense: 39.3 (9, 1) Three-Point Field Goals Per Game: 6.6 (259, 12) Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage: 33.8 (191, 7) Free-Throw Percentage: 69.9 (241, 10) Rebound Margin: 5.1 (30, 1) Assists Per Game: 15.2 (41, 3) Turnovers Per Game: 12.1 (149, 4) So our consensus ranking is 60 across the top 144, Torvik, and Resource Nexis...53+71+57/3=60.

While I agree that our defense was generally really good last year, It seems that when we lose game we should not lose, the other team always shoots 60% from three. I realize that could be a chicken and egg situation (anytime somebody makes 60% of their threes, you are probably going to lose, or do they shoot that high percentage because of bad defense?). In any event, how does our three point fg defense compare?

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by Buckleyma Very disappointing that Dayton is already on the board and not considered higher in the pecking order. Also, disappointed that Dayton is picked for the NIT as this means that the A10 is considered a one bid league. The countdown did some research as they are listing as newcomers, even the walk-ons. Posted via Mobile Device

I think we were considered a 3+ bid league and were a top 25 team last year at this time and we all know how that all didn’t work out.

I think 53 is fine and where we deserve given how many new players we too have. Being considered around a top 50 program In all of D1 consistently isn’t anything to sneeze at if/when that it happens year in and out.

There should be no reason this team doesn’t earn a bid this year regardless of conference strength. The schedule is great and provides plenty of opportunities to get ourselves firmly in. If they fail this year it’s hard to imagine how AG could keep control of the reins.
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[ud2]

?!?!

Duquesne comes in at #43 and #1 in the A10. I was wrong, I was certain that VCU was going to be #1, so VCU is not even in the top 6, smh.

Torvik had Duquesne at #1 too.

Duquesne last made the ncaat in 1977.

2 transfers from LaSalle, they are twin brothers...they spent 3 years at Saint Peters and 1 year at LaSalle...they might have been on the Saint Peter's Elite 8 team

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/22108:

Key Returning Players:
Dae Dae Grant, Senior, Guard, 15.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.5 apg
Jimmy Clark III, Senior, Guard, 12.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.5 apg


Key New Players:
Fousseyni Drame, Senior, Forward, Transfer from La Salle
Hassan Drame, Senior, Forward, Transfer from La Salle
Dusan Mahorcic, Senior, Forward, Transfer from NC State

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer I think we were considered a 3+ bid league and were a top 25 team last year at this time and we all know how that all didn’t work out. I think 53 is fine and where we deserve given how many new players we too have. Being considered around a top 50 program In all of D1 consistently isn’t anything to sneeze at if/when that it happens year in and out. There should be no reason this team doesn’t earn a bid this year regardless of conference strength. The schedule is great and provides plenty of opportunities to get ourselves firmly in. If they fail this year it’s hard to imagine how AG could keep control of the reins. Posted via Mobile Device

What a ridiculous take. What if every scholarship guard on the team gets hurt, would that be hard to imagine?

Can we at least play 1 f'n game before we start the countdown to AG's firing. Heck I don't even care it it is the exhibition game, you have a five month long season and then 7 months of offseason to talk about that crap. Love heading into a season with this already having been thrown out there.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 ?!?! Duquesne comes in at #43 and #1 in the A10. I was wrong, I was certain that VCU was going to be #1, so VCU is not even in the top 6, smh. Torvik had Duquesne at #1 too. Duquesne last made the ncaat in 1977. 2 transfers from LaSalle, they are twin brothers...they spent 3 years at Saint Peters and 1 year at LaSalle...they might have been on the Saint Peter's Elite 8 team https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/22108: Key Returning Players: Dae Dae Grant, Senior, Guard, 15.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.5 apg Jimmy Clark III, Senior, Guard, 12.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.5 apg Key New Players: Fousseyni Drame, Senior, Forward, Transfer from La Salle Hassan Drame, Senior, Forward, Transfer from La Salle Dusan Mahorcic, Senior, Forward, Transfer from NC State

I didn't see that coming...very surprised to say the least.

And yes those twins did play on the Elite 8 team.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[UD62]

I imagine the folks at SLU and VCU are just thrilled at the rankings.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by UD62 I imagine the folks at SLU and VCU are just thrilled at the rankings.

Luckily for them, the "rankings" don't mean anything and they are still going to let them play the games.

[UDGutter2]

Duquesne #1 and VCU and SLU not in the top 144? I'll have what they're having, either the ability to see a wildly improbable event, or the ability to "see" wildly.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[CoffeeCan]

Preseason rankings are fun to discuss and all - we all want college basketball to start.

However, I also think that last years team was a huge disappointment and underachieved. And then lost Camara. Who knows how good the additions will be for any team. But I cannot say that it makes a ton of sense to rank us all that high. The A10 was not good last year and neither were we.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by UD62 I imagine the folks at SLU and VCU are just thrilled at the rankings.

You have to figure that Ford’s seat looks remarkably like a griddle right about now. At least VCU has a reason for its drop. But Ford has had plenty of time to build that program above #7 in a weakening A-10.
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