Dayton - 26th in NCAA Attendance in 2012-13

[Figgie123]

Dayton had the 26th best attendance last season. with an average of 12,438. The Atlantic 10 finished 9th with an average of 5,974. (Darn high school gyms.)

NCAA.org PDF link

[rollo]

Colgate averages 496 fans per game...

[ud2]

Originally Posted by rollo Colgate averages 496 fans per game...

Derenbecker and New Orleans coming in at 579 fans per game. Wow, that's quite a change, going from 12,438 to 579.

Geesh, New Orleans only drew 6,948 home game fans the entire year.

[udstevied_D87]

and that's why ticket prices will never go down...only increase

[NorthwestFlyer]

It would be nice it that would equate to 26th in the Nation at least occasionally.

[hoch21]

Anyone else tired of hearing how great our coach is, how great our arena is and the flyer faithful?? If we actually did something on the court it might mean something anymore but it's like we are sugar coating the fact that on the court we are below average but we really have nice facilities.
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	Flyer Faithful FLYER FAITHFUL Best college basketball fans in the country. Knowledgeable, enthusiastic, and loyal. Help to create one of the toughest home courts in the nation at UD Arena. Over 12,000 fans a game put the Flyers in the Top-30 nationally in attendance. Fan spirit and support growing to other UD sports and athletic programs as well.

[Fudd]

I don't mind hearing how good our attendance is and how special UD arena is because I whole-heartedly believe that they are both in the kick-ass category.

It's fun to have blind optimism as a fan, so I try not to squash it needlessly. Let fans have their fun. Blind optimism is one thing, but trying to build a logical structure to defend the logic of the illogical blind optimism makes it disturbing.

[Figgie123]

With the A10 averaging 5,974 fans a game, and losing that team to the south at 9k or so, I was curious what the average fans is for the A10 for the current set of teams.

Dayton - 17 @ 12,438 (26th)
Duquesne - 15 @ 3,400 (144th)
Fordham - 11 @ 2,225 (198th)
George Mason - 17 @ 4,562 (115th)
George Washington - 14 @ 2,554 (175th)
La Salle - 15 @ 2,910 (158th)
Massachusetts - 14 @ 5,255 (105th)
Rhode Island - 15 @ 4,291 (122nd)
Richmond - 17 @ 5,690 (95th)
St. Josephs - 15 @ 4,292 (121st)
Saint Louis - 19 @ 7,673 (64th)
St. Bonaventure - 14 @ 3,987 (128th)
VCU - 17 @ 7,693 (62nd)

Total 200 @ 1,079,901 = 5,400

So, the A10 will be losing 10% of their attendance by the 4 outgoing teams, and the 1 incoming team. And UD supplies 19.58% of the overall A10 attendance.

(And for those keeping track, we'd be 3rd in the new Big East behind Creighton and Marquette.)

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Figgie123]

Originally Posted by rollo colgate averages 496 fans per game...

New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) - 489

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Figgie123 New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) - 489

But they are very loud. Seems more like 700.

[vclark34]

Originally Posted by hoch21 Anyone else tired of hearing how great our coach is, how great our arena is and the flyer faithful?? If we actually did something on the court it might mean something anymore but it's like we are sugar coating the fact that on the court we are below average but we really have nice facilities. Posted via Mobile Device

You're right how dare people say good things about us, don't they know hate our team!!
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	Flyer Faithful FLYER FAITHFUL Best college basketball fans in the country. Knowledgeable, enthusiastic, and loyal. Help to create one of the toughest home courts in the nation at UD Arena. Over 12,000 fans a game put the Flyers in the Top-30 nationally in attendance. Fan spirit and support growing to other UD sports and athletic programs as well.

[SeasonTicketFan]

Originally Posted by Figgie123 With the A10 averaging 5,974 fans a game, and losing that team to the south at 9k or so, I was curious what the average fans is for the A10 for the current set of teams. Dayton - 17 @ 12,438 (26th) Duquesne - 15 @ 3,400 (144th) Fordham - 11 @ 2,225 (198th) George Mason - 17 @ 4,562 (115th) George Washington - 14 @ 2,554 (175th) La Salle - 15 @ 2,910 (158th) Massachusetts - 14 @ 5,255 (105th) Rhode Island - 15 @ 4,291 (122nd) Richmond - 17 @ 5,690 (95th) St. Josephs - 15 @ 4,292 (121st) Saint Louis - 19 @ 7,673 (64th) St. Bonaventure - 14 @ 3,987 (128th) VCU - 17 @ 7,693 (62nd) Total 200 @ 1,079,901 = 5,400 So, the A10 will be losing 10% of their attendance by the 4 outgoing teams, and the 1 incoming team. And UD supplies 19.58% of the overall A10 attendance. (And for those keeping track, we'd be 3rd in the new Big East behind Creighton and Marquette.)

Wow! Look at that. A first place finish in the A10!

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[longtimefan]

St Louis played NINETEEN home games. They played only ONE non-conference road game and two non-conference neutral games (in Kansas City). So much for the theory that we have to play more non-conference road games to get ready for the conference season. (And several teams played 17 home games as UD did.)

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[tirebiter]

I deal with accounting reports at my job ("Work??!!!" - Maynard G Krebbs (How old does that make me?)) and my boss is always on about "jobs per man-hour" and "average man-hours per job" etc. and way etc. ...

It would be interesting to see some comparison of "wins per fan in attendance" or "fans in attendance per win" or some such. I bet it would be depressing for Flyer fans, but still, "don't kill the messenger" as I always say to my boss...

Maybe it should be based on national ranking level per fans, or some other angle, since Bohunk U may have 17 wins and 17 fans, but there must be some aspect that would measure the frustration of Flyer fans, 12,000 strong, against one moderately adequate season after another.

Can Figgie take it and run?

(By the way - don't take it the wrong way - I think this year is 2 or 3 deep at every position and I am expecting (wishing and hoping) for the big dance this year. I can't wait till November!)

[UD62]

Originally Posted by tirebiter I deal with accounting reports at my job ("Work??!!!" - Maynard G Krebbs (How old does that make me?)) and my boss is always on about "jobs per man-hour" and "average man-hours per job" etc. and way etc. ... It would be interesting to see some comparison of "wins per fan in attendance" or "fans in attendance per win" or some such. I bet it would be depressing for Flyer fans, but still, "don't kill the messenger" as I always say to my boss... Maybe it should be based on national ranking level per fans, or some other angle, since Bohunk U may have 17 wins and 17 fans, but there must be some aspect that would measure the frustration of Flyer fans, 12,000 strong, against one moderately adequate season after another. Can Figgie take it and run? (By the way - don't take it the wrong way - I think this year is 2 or 3 deep at every position and I am expecting (wishing and hoping) for the big dance this year. I can't wait till November!)

Seeing as we went the last 1/4 of the 20th century not ranked once in the AP poll, i would say that we have improved in the last 12 years, using that at a yardstick.

[tirebiter]

Maybe you could take the more optimistic angle of "best fans in the country regardless of the team's success" or something along that line.

[UDDoug]

I think we all know what the stat would show. Among teams in the top 100 in attendance Dayton is at or near the bottom in wins per fan. All ut means us a loyal fan base. Fans don't create wins or create a big advantage in getting wins. Talent, coaching and program administration do.
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[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by UDDoug I think we all know what the stat would show. Among teams in the top 100 in attendance Dayton is at or near the bottom in wins per fan. All it means is a loyal fan base. Fans don't create wins or create a big advantage in getting wins. Talent, coaching and program administration do.

Agree. I don't understand why people keep bringing this up. (Just something else to complain about I guess.) I don't see what the number of fans has to do with the number of games a team wins. Our fans create a pretty decent home court advantage, but so do 5000 fans in a 5200 seat arena. It's nice that we have a loyal fan base, but I don't see that as having much, if anything, to do with program success. We need good coaching and good players. Wins per fan means nothing.

[Figgie123]

Originally Posted by tirebiter It would be interesting to see some comparison of "wins per fan in attendance" or "fans in attendance per win" or some such. I bet it would be depressing for Flyer fans, but still, "don't kill the messenger" as I always say to my boss... Maybe it should be based on national ranking level per fans, or some other angle, since Bohunk U may have 17 wins and 17 fans, but there must be some aspect that would measure the frustration of Flyer fans, 12,000 strong, against one moderately adequate season after another. Can Figgie take it and run?

Challenge Accepted!

From the 2007-08 season through the 2012-13 season, this shows the university, average yearly attendance rank, and rank of that against others, average attendance over those 6 seasons, standard deviation of the rank, and NCAA appearances.

So, for Kentucky their average yearly rank is 1.000, which is 1st. Their average attendance over those 6 seasons is 23,588 and their average yearly rank standard deviation is 0, which means they've always been #1. For Maryland at #12, their standard deviation is 7.643 which shows their attendance rank fluctuates a bit. Kentucky has 4 NCAA appearances while Arkansas at #17 has 1 NCAA appearance in those 6 seasons.

      university      | avg_rank | avg_yr_rank | avg_attend | stddev_rank | ncaa_appears 
----------------------+----------+-------------+------------+-------------+--------------
 Kentucky             |        1 |       1.000 |      23588 |       0.000 |            4
 Syracuse             |        2 |       2.056 |      22273 |       0.236 |            5
 North Carolina       |        3 |       3.318 |      20085 |       0.894 |            5
 Louisville           |        4 |       3.762 |      20663 |       0.995 |            6
 Tennessee            |        5 |       4.727 |      19033 |       1.421 |            4
 Wisconsin            |        6 |       6.286 |      17180 |       0.825 |            6
 Indiana              |        7 |       9.000 |      16399 |       3.496 |            3
 Memphis              |        8 |       9.500 |      16681 |       1.225 |            5
 Kansas               |        9 |      10.375 |      16419 |       1.610 |            6
 Creighton            |       10 |      11.000 |      15766 |       6.024 |            2
 Ohio State           |       11 |      11.118 |      15815 |       3.140 |            5
 Maryland             |       12 |      11.875 |      15712 |       7.643 |            2
 Marquette            |       13 |      12.667 |      15538 |       1.988 |            6
 Illinois             |       14 |      13.000 |      15431 |       2.828 |            3
 BYU                  |       15 |      13.400 |      15683 |       6.363 |            5
 Michigan State       |       16 |      15.238 |      14700 |       1.700 |            6
 Arkansas             |       17 |      17.714 |      14433 |       8.635 |            1
 New Mexico           |       18 |      17.875 |      14236 |       2.642 |            3
 North Carolina State |       19 |      19.000 |      14024 |       3.586 |            2
 Arizona              |       20 |      19.308 |      13830 |       0.480 |            4
 Purdue               |       21 |      21.385 |      13304 |       4.735 |            5
 Texas                |       22 |      21.636 |      13408 |       5.025 |            5
 Vanderbilt           |       23 |      22.571 |      13215 |       6.477 |            4
 UNLV                 |       24 |      22.857 |      13364 |       7.559 |            5
 Iowa State           |       25 |      24.875 |      12818 |       2.900 |            2
 Minnesota            |       26 |      25.286 |      12779 |       3.861 |            3
 Dayton               |       27 |      27.143 |      12490 |       0.690 |            1
 Georgetown           |       28 |      28.875 |      12097 |       4.824 |            5
 Kansas State         |       29 |      29.750 |      12033 |       9.047 |            5
 Connecticut          |       30 |      30.533 |      11920 |       2.560 |            4
 Michigan             |       31 |      32.692 |      11434 |       5.468 |            4
 Iowa                 |       32 |      33.667 |      11433 |       8.847 |            0
 West Virginia        |       33 |      35.308 |      11132 |       8.179 |            5
 Alabama              |       34 |      35.667 |      10958 |       6.121 |            1
 Pittsburgh           |       35 |      37.000 |      10641 |       4.411 |            5
 Florida              |       36 |      37.733 |      10482 |       2.815 |            4
 South Carolina       |       37 |      37.833 |      10640 |       9.174 |            0
 Wake Forest          |       38 |      37.857 |      10677 |       8.745 |            2
 Oklahoma State       |       39 |      38.714 |      10526 |       6.343 |            3
 Wichita State        |       40 |      39.500 |      10325 |       1.179 |            2

Hard to compare the Flyers to anyone else in this list.

Was going to try Arkansas, but their standard deviation is too high. They were #8 in the 07-08 year, but have since dropped to the 20s.

Iowa hasn't been to the NCAAs in these 6 seasons, but last year was their first top 25 finish (#21) in attendance while spending the previous 5 years between ranks 31 and 48.

So, my conclusion, which we already basically knew, is that we are the most consistent ranked, largest fan base, with the least amount of NCAA returns.

Here is a quick table of the most consistenly ranked standard-deviation-wise teams, and the same information as above.

      university      | avg_rank | avg_yr_rank | avg_attend | stddev_rank | ncaa_appears 
----------------------+----------+-------------+------------+-------------+--------------
 Kentucky             |        1 |       1.000 |      23588 |       0.000 |            4
 Syracuse             |        2 |       2.056 |      22273 |       0.236 |            5
 Arizona              |       20 |      19.308 |      13830 |       0.480 |            4
 Dayton               |       27 |      27.143 |      12490 |       0.690 |            1
 Wisconsin            |        6 |       6.286 |      17180 |       0.825 |            6
 North Carolina       |        3 |       3.318 |      20085 |       0.894 |            5
 Louisville           |        4 |       3.762 |      20663 |       0.995 |            6
 Wichita State        |       40 |      39.500 |      10325 |       1.179 |            2
 Memphis              |        8 |       9.500 |      16681 |       1.225 |            5
 Houston Baptist      |      347 |     341.000 |        618 |       1.414 |            0
 Tennessee            |        5 |       4.727 |      19033 |       1.421 |            4
 Kansas               |        9 |      10.375 |      16419 |       1.610 |            6
 Michigan State       |       16 |      15.238 |      14700 |       1.700 |            6
 Sacramento State     |      344 |     335.500 |        677 |       1.975 |            0
 Marquette            |       13 |      12.667 |      15538 |       1.988 |            6

Figgie

[AQUDXU]

Originally Posted by Figgie123 Challenge Accepted! From the 2007-08 season through the 2012-13 season, this shows the university, average yearly attendance rank, and rank of that against others, average attendance over those 6 seasons, standard deviation of the rank, and NCAA appearances. So, for Kentucky their average yearly rank is 1.000, which is 1st. Their average attendance over those 6 seasons is 23,588 and their average yearly rank standard deviation is 0, which means they've always been #1. For Maryland at #12, their standard deviation is 7.643 which shows their attendance rank fluctuates a bit. Kentucky has 4 NCAA appearances while Arkansas at #17 has 1 NCAA appearance in those 6 seasons. university | avg_rank | avg_yr_rank | avg_attend | stddev_rank | ncaa_appears ----------------------+----------+-------------+------------+-------------+-------------- Kentucky | 1 | 1.000 | 23588 | 0.000 | 4 Syracuse | 2 | 2.056 | 22273 | 0.236 | 5 North Carolina | 3 | 3.318 | 20085 | 0.894 | 5 Louisville | 4 | 3.762 | 20663 | 0.995 | 6 Tennessee | 5 | 4.727 | 19033 | 1.421 | 4 Wisconsin | 6 | 6.286 | 17180 | 0.825 | 6 Indiana | 7 | 9.000 | 16399 | 3.496 | 3 Memphis | 8 | 9.500 | 16681 | 1.225 | 5 Kansas | 9 | 10.375 | 16419 | 1.610 | 6 Creighton | 10 | 11.000 | 15766 | 6.024 | 2 Ohio State | 11 | 11.118 | 15815 | 3.140 | 5 Maryland | 12 | 11.875 | 15712 | 7.643 | 2 Marquette | 13 | 12.667 | 15538 | 1.988 | 6 Illinois | 14 | 13.000 | 15431 | 2.828 | 3 BYU | 15 | 13.400 | 15683 | 6.363 | 5 Michigan State | 16 | 15.238 | 14700 | 1.700 | 6 Arkansas | 17 | 17.714 | 14433 | 8.635 | 1 New Mexico | 18 | 17.875 | 14236 | 2.642 | 3 North Carolina State | 19 | 19.000 | 14024 | 3.586 | 2 Arizona | 20 | 19.308 | 13830 | 0.480 | 4 Purdue | 21 | 21.385 | 13304 | 4.735 | 5 Texas | 22 | 21.636 | 13408 | 5.025 | 5 Vanderbilt | 23 | 22.571 | 13215 | 6.477 | 4 UNLV | 24 | 22.857 | 13364 | 7.559 | 5 Iowa State | 25 | 24.875 | 12818 | 2.900 | 2 Minnesota | 26 | 25.286 | 12779 | 3.861 | 3 Dayton | 27 | 27.143 | 12490 | 0.690 | 1 Georgetown | 28 | 28.875 | 12097 | 4.824 | 5 Kansas State | 29 | 29.750 | 12033 | 9.047 | 5 Connecticut | 30 | 30.533 | 11920 | 2.560 | 4 Michigan | 31 | 32.692 | 11434 | 5.468 | 4 Iowa | 32 | 33.667 | 11433 | 8.847 | 0 West Virginia | 33 | 35.308 | 11132 | 8.179 | 5 Alabama | 34 | 35.667 | 10958 | 6.121 | 1 Pittsburgh | 35 | 37.000 | 10641 | 4.411 | 5 Florida | 36 | 37.733 | 10482 | 2.815 | 4 South Carolina | 37 | 37.833 | 10640 | 9.174 | 0 Wake Forest | 38 | 37.857 | 10677 | 8.745 | 2 Oklahoma State | 39 | 38.714 | 10526 | 6.343 | 3 Wichita State | 40 | 39.500 | 10325 | 1.179 | 2 Hard to compare the Flyers to anyone else in this list. Was going to try Arkansas, but their standard deviation is too high. They were #8 in the 07-08 year, but have since dropped to the 20s. Iowa hasn't been to the NCAAs in these 6 seasons, but last year was their first top 25 finish (#21) in attendance while spending the previous 5 years between ranks 31 and 48. So, my conclusion, which we already basically knew, is that we are the most consistent ranked, largest fan base, with the least amount of NCAA returns. Here is a quick table of the most consistenly ranked standard-deviation-wise teams, and the same information as above. university | avg_rank | avg_yr_rank | avg_attend | stddev_rank | ncaa_appears ----------------------+----------+-------------+------------+-------------+-------------- Kentucky | 1 | 1.000 | 23588 | 0.000 | 4 Syracuse | 2 | 2.056 | 22273 | 0.236 | 5 Arizona | 20 | 19.308 | 13830 | 0.480 | 4 Dayton | 27 | 27.143 | 12490 | 0.690 | 1 Wisconsin | 6 | 6.286 | 17180 | 0.825 | 6 North Carolina | 3 | 3.318 | 20085 | 0.894 | 5 Louisville | 4 | 3.762 | 20663 | 0.995 | 6 Wichita State | 40 | 39.500 | 10325 | 1.179 | 2 Memphis | 8 | 9.500 | 16681 | 1.225 | 5 Houston Baptist | 347 | 341.000 | 618 | 1.414 | 0 Tennessee | 5 | 4.727 | 19033 | 1.421 | 4 Kansas | 9 | 10.375 | 16419 | 1.610 | 6 Michigan State | 16 | 15.238 | 14700 | 1.700 | 6 Sacramento State | 344 | 335.500 | 677 | 1.975 | 0 Marquette | 13 | 12.667 | 15538 | 1.988 | 6 Figgie

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[UDBaby]

Originally Posted by Figgie123 Dayton - 17 @ 12,438 (26th) Duquesne - 15 @ 3,400 (144th) Fordham - 11 @ 2,225 (198th) George Mason - 17 @ 4,562 (115th) George Washington - 14 @ 2,554 (175th) La Salle - 15 @ 2,910 (158th) Massachusetts - 14 @ 5,255 (105th) Rhode Island - 15 @ 4,291 (122nd) Richmond - 17 @ 5,690 (95th) St. Josephs - 15 @ 4,292 (121st) Saint Louis - 19 @ 7,673 (64th) St. Bonaventure - 14 @ 3,987 (128th) VCU - 17 @ 7,693 (62nd) Total 200 @ 1,079,901 = 5,400 So, the A10 will be losing 10% of their attendance by the 4 outgoing teams, and the 1 incoming team. And UD supplies 19.58% of the overall A10 attendance. (And for those keeping track, we'd be 3rd in the new Big East behind Creighton and Marquette.)

Actually UD supplies more than 19.58% of the overall A10 attendance. Go to any other gym/fieldhouse/arena in the A10 when the Flyers are in town and you'll almost always see the Flyer faithful out en masse to support our team and yes, perhaps annoy the home fans just a little.

In fact, I'd say we come close to outnumbering the Fordham fans when we play in their dual purpose - Catholic grammar school basement cafeteria turned gym.

	Flyer Faithful FLYER FAITHFUL Best college basketball fans in the country. Knowledgeable, enthusiastic, and loyal. Help to create one of the toughest home courts in the nation at UD Arena. Over 12,000 fans a game put the Flyers in the Top-30 nationally in attendance. Fan spirit and support growing to other UD sports and athletic programs as well.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UACFlyer]

While the Flyers on-court performance appears consistently disappointing,...below expectations, that is,...consistently filling 12,000+ seats in a very good arena makes for a terrific TV venue.

Fox knows that, ESPN knows that......a Dayton home game will always provide the atmosphere the TV guys covet. Tim W. et al are well aware of that and, no doubt, are still thinking Big East.

Thus, Dayton's solid "potential" is a given....and at some point there is at least a 50-50 chance than the BE will take that into serious consideration....in my opinion.

[ud2]

My whole complaint is that when you compare UD to any of the other teams in the top 60 on that list,(and understand that once you get past the top 45? or so, the attendance numbers are significantly below 12k/game)I think almost every single one of those other 59 teams has done significantly better than UD over a significant amount of time.

If there were other teams drawing 12k/game that were producing UD's results, then things would be a lot easier for me to swallow.

I bet if you asked other teams' fans to take a look at UD's situation, they would question why UD hasn't been able to do a lot better. I have some UC/Xavier fans/friends that I know that don't understand what UD's problem is.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[bobber]

Wonder how many of the teams on this list cook the books, ala De Paul? I'd bet it's a pretty fair number.

[UDDoug]

Fans don't equate to on court success in hoops. Just because you draw doesn't mean you win. It's that simple.

There are some advantages it provides. The extra dollars mean you are likely to always be top 100 or so on court. But it isn't going to get you over that hump to consistent NCAA. There just isn't that kind of relationship.

The better question is why fans continue to support the program at that level given the programs level of winning. Not why doesn't the program win because it draws.
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