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Old 02-08-2017, 07:00 AM
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Students?

I know we seem to ask this every year but the last two games student attendance has been embarrassing! Is there a reason I'm missing?
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Old 02-08-2017, 07:51 AM
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agreed, I went to the game Saturday afternoon and the 4 sections behind the hoop were not completely filled. When I was at UD, those afternoon games were awesome and we always packed the house.
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Embarrassing is certain players not respecting the flag and National Anthem. Arms crossed isn't cool while St. Joe's stands in unity. Surprised a former Marine assistant doesn't teach 4 or 5 players a lesson.
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Old 02-08-2017, 08:37 AM
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... St. Joe's stands in unity
...with the hawk still flapping a wing. I guess flapping is the most important thing going on
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Embarrassing is certain players not respecting the flag and National Anthem. Arms crossed isn't cool while St. Joe's stands in unity. Surprised a former Marine assistant doesn't teach 4 or 5 players a lesson.
I noted that as well. I think most/all Flyers stood with arms behind their back...except DD. No, that wasn't cool. What bothers me most is that Dayton is a military town and UD does a great job incorporating/thanking/acknowledging our veterans and Air Force partners at WP (see First Four comp tickets). Hopefully this gets back to the coaches and they can address it.
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Is 12:30pm on a Saturday too early and 8:00pm on a Tuesday too late? I don't think so. Times have changed. The student population is much more diverse and interested in many other things. Beat Rhody and St. Louis and we will have a good student turnout for St. Bonnie. The Red Scare and a couple hundred students are diehards. The rest are not as loyal and only show at the "big" games. Of course, you know we'll have a great student crowd for VCU.
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As has been noted, this isn't a UD thing, this is a generational thing that many, many universities are dealing with, even big time, major power football schools have reduced their student sections. I think part of the problem is that there is just so much more available to students today interms of the internet for entertainment, plus every game is televised in one form or another, which is a good thing, but reduces the need to be there live to catch a game.
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Originally Posted by Radar View Post
I noted that as well. I think most/all Flyers stood with arms behind their back...except DD. No, that wasn't cool. What bothers me most is that Dayton is a military town and UD does a great job incorporating/thanking/acknowledging our veterans and Air Force partners at WP (see First Four comp tickets). Hopefully this gets back to the coaches and they can address it.
Game before this 3 players stood there having a conversation and joking during the Anthem while the walkons and the bench players have their hands over their hearts showing respect.
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DD body language,
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Old 02-08-2017, 09:26 AM
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We've all seen the video https://youtu.be/AWRJvl2TkNk
Time to bring in Buzz Williams and have a talk with the team.
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I think the University should have a clear idea of the number of students that are planning to attend a game and then release the tickets. If there was a walk-up window for $5 tickets in unused portions of the student section that became available 5 minutes after tip, I think they would fill it up with an energetic group and make some money.
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Or allow the patrons in the 400s to come down at halftime to fill those seats. They do that at Tennessee men's games if the lower bowl is not filled.
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Game before this 3 players stood there having a conversation and joking during the Anthem while the walkons and the bench players have their hands over their hearts showing respect.
I decided to email a member of the coaching staff re this...will see what happens.
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My daughter remarked as to how VMI conducted themselves during the National Anthem. At attention until the flag was to the tunnel.
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They were back in their dorms listening to the mandarin broadcast?
That is hilarious!!!!
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Embarrassing is certain players not respecting the flag and National Anthem. Arms crossed isn't cool while St. Joe's stands in unity. Surprised a former Marine assistant doesn't teach 4 or 5 players a lesson.
Exactly. The coaches need to have a discussion with them. Last game I was at, I noticed a few of them carrying on a conversation in the middle of the anthem. Embarrassing and disrespectful too.
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I'd love to see/hear the players lead the singing of national anthem for the entire crowd - every game. We should all be singing.
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Why the low attendance in the student section = Respect the flag the way I want, or GTFO!!!!

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Exactly. The coaches need to have a discussion with them. Last game I was at, I noticed a few of them carrying on a conversation in the middle of the anthem. Embarrassing and disrespectful too.
I let that roll off initially until last night. I expect more out of them, the program, and the university. WE are all better than that. With the military support and cooperation with UD, WE all should be setting an example.

How about and HG member swipes one of them across the side of the head with the buttstock of a parade rifle...that will get the point across.
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If students have other things to do, fine. Eliminate the upper level student section, one of the four lower level sections, and sell those tickets to those that can't otherwise get tickets. This has been a problem for years - time to fix it.
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The whole student attendance issue seems to get discussed here every year at some point. As has been mentioned this is not just a UD issue it's a college basketball issue. Today's students have many more entertainment options and different priorities than attending sporting events it seems. Also I am not going to demand any student who may be paying 50k a year to attend UD has to show up at a basketball game. Another issue could be how tickets are distributed. I do not know if they are still doing the thing where you have to attend other sporting events to get better tickets but that is the worst system ever. They should be able to show up with their Student ID and walk into the game. Making them join the Red Scare or doing anything beyond just simply showing up at the Arena to get in just gives them another excuse to stay on campus and watch it on TV.

My best idea to increase student attendance is to have "Student Happy Hour" before the game where the beers are half price and then allow the students to actually drink in the student section. Will that happen? No. But I bet it would get more of them to show up.
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Since majority of students are under legal age to drink, I don't think your suggestion will fly, C-Time. I like the idea, just ain't happening. I'm curious how many schools even sell beer. I've been to some that don't specifically because this is college sports and majority of college kids under age, so no beer sales at all. They don't sell beer during the First Four, do they, I can't remember.
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Since majority of students are under legal age to drink, I don't think your suggestion will fly, C-Time. I like the idea, just ain't happening. I'm curious how many schools even sell beer. I've been to some that don't specifically because this is college sports and majority of college kids under age, so no beer sales at all. They don't sell beer during the First Four, do they, I can't remember.
I know they won't actually do it but that would get them there. In the late 90's you could still have beer in the student section, but of course that stuff doesn't fly in the PC culture we now live in.

The NCAA has a rule against Beer being sold at any of their tournaments. Regular Season and Conference tournaments are up to the individual schools and conferences.
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Beer is not allowed in the student sections period.
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Beer is not allowed in the student sections period.
I think we had already established that UD doesn't allow it and the NCAA tournament games don't sell it. Beyond that I would think it would be up to each individual school/arena to make their own policy if they already sell beer. Do I think any school allows it in 2017? No, but that doesn't mean they couldn't if they wanted to.
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Bring back 3.2 beer!
Or lower the drinking age to 19 where it should be! Colleges are forced to police drinking which is silly. Especially since most 19 & 20 yr old college students drive so little.

Slap a 1-2% windfall profit tax on all adult beverage makers that is used exclusively for drinking and driving education and everyone wins.

Yes, I've heard the old "well if you are 18 and can go to war, you should be able to drink" argument but there are way more 18 yr olds in HS than at war...
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Or lower the drinking age to 19 where it should be! Colleges are forced to police drinking which is silly. Especially since most 19 & 20 yr old college students drive so little.
I agree 100%

So I escort my sons now ex girlfriend to Fairborn Kangaroo Court last spring for her underage drinking charge, as her family is military and out of the country and she was scared to
She is 20 years old, and neither her or her girl friend resisted arrest and both were cooperative with the arresting officer who must have been quite bored that particular night considering the circumstances.

Sons ex has an attorney that she paid $1,100 for. Her friend does not have an attorney other than the public defender. Both have no past record. Ex girlfriend gets off with $200 fine. Her girlfriend gets a $500 fine plus 40 hours community service.

Attorney worked all of maybe 2 hours total counting entering plea for her, plea bargain, etc.......

1. I should have been an attorney
2. The punishment I posted above just does not add up for first offenses
3. Why does the girl who paid for the attorney get off so much easier than the one who did not.

What were we talking about in here?
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I know we seem to ask this every year but the last two games student attendance has been embarrassing! Is there a reason I'm missing?
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I will add one more thing to my earlier post. I always see a large number of students using the bus to get to the arena from campus. I'm not sure how many buses they run or how long they have to wait, but I can almost guarantee after 1 or 2 bad experiences waiting for the bus or having to leave really early they just say screw it and watch it on campus.
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I will add one more thing to my earlier post. I always see a large number of students using the bus to get to the arena from campus. I'm not sure how many buses they run or how long they have to wait, but I can almost guarantee after 1 or 2 bad experiences waiting for the bus or having to leave really early they just say screw it and watch it on campus.
Well since you brought up the bus, which is caused by lack of free D lot parking, I will take this time for my yearly ***** that even with the sell outs we have had still plenty of empty spaces in at least two lots. When I arrived at the 12 minute time out of the first half of Saturdays sell out, at least 150 to 200 spots in C lot behind the stadium and the front area of D lot closest to Edwin Moses was empty, as always. UD needs to fix the busing issue not just for students, but fans who have to park in O lot. Use the **** parking spots you have, and if you need more, add more. Thankfully I have not had to deal with this issue the past couple seasons, but I have friends who used to buy tickets, especially over the holidays, and refuse to do so anymore. Yes, I know some who think the bus is A OK. Most think it suck. I enjoy walking to my vehicle and being on I-70 and I-75 by the time Archie comes on the radio!
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Well since you brought up the bus, which is caused by lack of free D lot parking, I will take this time for my yearly ***** that even with the sell outs we have had still plenty of empty spaces in at least two lots. When I arrived at the 12 minute time out of the first half of Saturdays sell out, at least 150 to 200 spots in C lot behind the stadium and the front area of D lot closest to Edwin Moses was empty, as always. UD needs to fix the busing issue not just for students, but fans who have to park in O lot. Use the **** parking spots you have, and if you need more, add more. Thankfully I have not had to deal with this issue the past couple seasons, but I have friends who used to buy tickets, especially over the holidays, and refuse to do so anymore. Yes, I know some who think the bus is A OK. Most think it suck. I enjoy walking to my vehicle and being on I-70 and I-75 by the time Archie comes on the radio!
I tried the bus one time several years ago. That was the last time. I use alternative parking arrangements that work very well for me. I was offered a D lot pass last year and declined.
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As a UD student, you have the opportunity to witness what is becoming a perennial powerhouse. All this while leading the charge to keep us a top sports venue in the country for all sports. Get off your ### and get to the arena!

If they don't care enough, take the seats and sell them to the general public. Problem solved.
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Anyone know how many total seats are allocated to students?
Too many. 200 behind the students has non-students peppered in it unless it is a "big" game. Tons of ticket revenue sitting empty for a bunch of people that show up 20% of the time.
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Why go to the game when you can sit in the safety of your dorm room, watch the stream, and play on social media?

Face to face discussion is so demanding!!!
Everyone in college now has to find their 'own safe space'. Some have chosen the dorm room after leaving the parents home ....
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I tried the bus one time several years ago. That was the last time. I use alternative parking arrangements that work very well for me. I was offered a D lot pass last year and declined.
if they offer you a pass again, please take it. I will pay you double the price immediately.
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While Saint Joes is down, it is still Saint Joseph Hawks. Fellow Catholic school, substantial rival, one of the best programs in the conference, and they have a national presence. Not to mention how difficult has been for UD to beat them during our A10 years. You would think all of that alone, would make a student body interested in the game.

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As a UD student, you have the opportunity to witness what is becoming a perennial powerhouse. All this while leading the charge to keep us a top sports venue in the country for all sports. Get off your ### and get to the arena!

If they don't care enough, take the seats and sell them to the general public. Problem solved.
I'm sorry but UD becoming a perennial basketball powerhouse and a top sports venue has never crossed 90% of the students minds. Those things may matter to people who post on this board and love basketball, but to the average student they don't care about those things. They want to be entertained and enticed to show up at an event where they can have fun with their friends. The mindset of ordering them to show up will not increase student attendance. You have to give them free t-shirts, etc. and give them some reason to show up at the games and make it extremely easy to do so.

I do not know this to be fact but the impression I have of the current UD student body is that there are less local students than in the past which in the past probably helped student attendance because they were fans growing up and then introduced their out of area roommates and friends to UD basketball.

Bottom line is if UD wants them to show up to the games against boring/non-big teams especially on weeknights they are going to have to do something to get them to show up, or everybody is just going to have to accept the fact that there will be nights like there were against St Joes.
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While Saint Joes is down, it is still Saint Joseph Hawks. Fellow Catholic school, substantial rival, one of the best programs in the conference, and they have a national presence. Not to mention how difficult has been for UD to beat them during our A10 years. You would think all of that alone, would make a student body interested in the game.
Ask yourself what percentage of the current UD student body knows anything about a school in Philadelphia, PA named St. Josephs much less all of those things about their basketball team.
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if they offer you a pass again, please take it. I will pay you double the price immediately.
I will make sure to accept if they offer me one again.
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Bottom line is if UD wants them to show up to the games against boring/non-big teams especially on weeknights they are going to have to do something to get them to show up, or everybody is just going to have to accept the fact that there will be nights like there were against St Joes.
My son and I attended our game at Alabama this year, every student who showed up they gave a Dominos pizza too as well as a T-shirt.

Do students get cheaper food at games? I know at the other local D1 school in Fairborn, all students get food and drinks for half price.
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My son and I attended our game at Alabama this year, every student who showed up they gave a Dominos pizza too as well as a T-shirt.

Do students get cheaper food at games? I know at the other local D1 school in Fairborn, all students get food and drinks for half price.
These are solutions!!!!!! More ideas like this people!!!!!!!
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UD can blame their selves for the change in student body make-up. The administration wanted it that way. It is a product of Marianist leftist loony-tunes mentality about social justice. Their perspective is that more foreign students are needed, etc. They aspire to make the university look more like the demographic makeup of the city of Dayton, etc.
But I would suggest that, in fact, they have done just the opposite. People from all of the world are not the typical make-up of the Gem City, or any the communities around it. Leftist academia have managed to convolute and undermine the truth and reality of the American Social Culture.

UD claims it's a "Sellout" when there is 1,500 empty seats. Yes, I know, THIRT, what an actual "sellout" is, and that is not a marketplace sellout. UD's version of a sellout isn't worth the Buffalo Bull on a Nickel. It's laughable!
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These are solutions!!!!!! More ideas like this people!!!!!!!
Solutions, but honestly somewhat sad that it takes bribery to get them to the games. Sell the seats to those who want them and will pay a premium for them.
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I agree, cut them off; at-least by not giving them 500 seats in the upper west wing, that's crazy...as they are almost always empty. Give them the two 100 level sections, and the one 200 level section (but not both 200's) located behind the band.
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Solutions, but honestly somewhat sad that it takes bribery to get them to the games. Sell the seats to those who want them and will pay a premium for them.
Here's an idea along those lines though I don't agree with taking the 200s away from the students. Make a portion or all of the 200 section a young alumni section or a "fan club" section where it is understood that it will be a standing and cheering section. It would give those fans who want to cheer and be LOWD a chance to inject more life into the lower arena. Heck we could let John R lead the cheers and only red shirts would be allowed.

Granted it was an NCAA tournament game but the Boise St game at the arena had a lot of energy and life because a different demographic of UD fans were able to get tickets in the lower arena and inject some more life into the place even when UD was trailing.
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I'm sorry but UD becoming a perennial basketball powerhouse and a top sports venue has never crossed 90% of the students minds. Those things may matter to people who post on this board and love basketball, but to the average student they don't care about those things. They want to be entertained and enticed to show up at an event where they can have fun with their friends. The mindset of ordering them to show up will not increase student attendance. You have to give them free t-shirts, etc. and give them some reason to show up at the games and make it extremely easy to do so.


I do not know this to be fact but the impression I have of the current UD student body is that there are less local students than in the past which in the past probably helped student attendance because they were fans growing up and then introduced their out of area roommates and friends to UD basketball.


Bottom line is if UD wants them to show up to the games against boring/non-big teams especially on weeknights they are going to have to do something to get them to show up, or everybody is just going to have to accept the fact that there will be nights like there were against St Joes.
The trinkets don't matter, but the festival seating does. Most (not all) don't want to arrive when the doors open an hour prior to tip for the best seats. They want to do everything from their phones. Tell 'em what time to log on to "reserve" your seat a couple days before the game, then let them get that scanned at the door. Otherwise, they're fine staying home. My son, a student, has 4 housemates, 3 from Pittsburgh, one from Chicago. They hang out with several players, follow every second of every game, know the stats of the entire team and several other A10 teams/players. Yet they are just fine watching the game from their house in the ghetto and drink beer that isn't $6.75!

As for their being fewer local students: I doubt it has much to do with the number of local students as it does the number of international students!
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Here's an idea along those lines though I don't agree with taking the 200s away from the students. Make a portion or all of the 200 section a young alumni section or a "fan club" section where it is understood that it will be a standing and cheering section. It would give those fans who want to cheer and be LOWD a chance to inject more life into the lower arena. Heck we could let John R lead the cheers and only red shirts would be allowed.

Granted it was an NCAA tournament game but the Boise St game at the arena had a lot of energy and life because a different demographic of UD fans were able to get tickets in the lower arena and inject some more life into the place even when UD was trailing.
Not a bad idea, No sweater vests allowed!

Putting the tarp over 4 rows of seats is just stupid, your idea is much better. Put it right on the tickets that you are behind the students and may have to stand most of the time. I once had NCAA final 4 tickets that in bright red they stamped the words obstructed view possible.
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The trinkets don't matter, but the festival seating does. Most (not all) don't want to arrive when the doors open an hour prior to tip for the best seats. They want to do everything from their phones. Tell 'em what time to log on to "reserve" your seat a couple days before the game, then let them get that scanned at the door. Otherwise, they're fine staying home. My son, a student, has 4 housemates, 3 from Pittsburgh, one from Chicago. They hang out with several players, follow every second of every game, know the stats of the entire team and several other A10 teams/players. Yet they are just fine watching the game from their house in the ghetto and drink beer that isn't $6.75!

As for their being fewer local students: I doubt it has much to do with the number of local students as it does the number of international students!
So it appears they do use festival(first come first serve) seating in the student section which I wasn't sure about, and it doesn't sound like it works well. I wouldn't want to have to get there an hour before the game either. The reserved seating plan you offered up makes since to me. Only thing I think they might have to add is that if you reserve a seat and don't go to the game/scan your ticket you can't reserve a seat for the next game maybe. When I was in school before the creation of the Red Scare student's bought a $5 season voucher book and then there was a ticket pickup a couple days before the game. That way students had reserved seats and were able to "pregame" at their house/apartment and then head to the arena much closer to game time.
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Not a bad idea, No sweater vests allowed!
Why no sweater vests? Johnny Davis wore one on his visit.
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Why no sweater vests? Johnny Davis wore one on his visit.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/sport...XqdyAhgJbpUeK/
Because you'll work up too much of a sweat if you are standing up and cheering at the level you should be to sit in this section. There will be a tshirt available that has a a sweatervest printed on it instead for everyone in this section.
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This is not a solution!!!!!!! Do better CE80!!!!!!!
Not meant to be. It is just that we go through this every year (kind of like the GCJ). Somebody just cut and paste the thread from a year ago and paste it. Save everyone a bunch of time.
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Not meant to be. It is just that we go through this every year (kind of like the GCJ). Somebody just cut and paste the thread from a year ago and paste it. Save everyone a bunch of time.
True, but nobody ever actually comes up with any solutions other than giving away free stuff. I actually think the reserved ticket app Radar idea had, and the young alumni/cheering section are ideas I hadn't seen before.

And btw my response wasn't serious either though a GCJ would let the students do my favorite cheer again.
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Points system was stupid and never really got students behind the teams...they showed up at the half...got scanned...and left...

Go old school...have a ticket drawing starting with upperclassmen and on down...bus the students over 20 minutes before the game and not an hour before the game...they get their cheap drinks in them on campus and roll over just prior to tip off. You get the students that want to be there, not the ones where it is convenient. Also, charge a minimal fee for the ticket....5 or 10 bucks...at least there is some financial investment over the course of a season...take that revenue and give it right back to the students in the form of pregame festivities, food, giveaways, etc...

Face it...the game is a social event for students just as it is for many of us adults. Go to the game, see your friends and seatmates...drink a few beers and watch the game.

Will beer in the student section impact much? Probably not...but allowing students to handle their business on campus and casually bus over with tickets in hand is where it's at. Nothing says students can't go on the concourse prior to the game and polish off a few or at halftime...that is if in fact the lack of a beverage of choice is the determination on whether or not to go to the game.
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Points system was stupid and never really got students behind the teams...they showed up at the half...got scanned...and left...

Go old school...have a ticket drawing starting with upperclassmen and on down...bus the students over 20 minutes before the game and not an hour before the game...they get their cheap drinks in them on campus and roll over just prior to tip off. You get the students that want to be there, not the ones where it is convenient. Also, charge a minimal fee for the ticket....5 or 10 bucks...at least there is some financial investment over the course of a season...take that revenue and give it right back to the students in the form of pregame festivities, food, giveaways, etc...

Face it...the game is a social event for students just as it is for many of us adults. Go to the game, see your friends and seatmates...drink a few beers and watch the game.

Will beer in the student section impact much? Probably not...but allowing students to handle their business on campus and casually bus over with tickets in hand is where it's at. Nothing says students can't go on the concourse prior to the game and polish off a few or at halftime...that is if in fact the lack of a beverage of choice is the determination on whether or not to go to the game.
I think you are essentially describing how they did it when i was there in '86-'91. I think we paid $20 for the entire season pack, I believe it was done by seniority, and there were buses that took the students to and from the arena. and,m yes, we may have put a couple cheap beers back before we went! ;-)
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With empty seats in the student sections, especially during breaks that it would be a good idea upsell those tickets to season ticket holders who normally don't sit down low, and then re distribute the seats vacated. Better than empty seats down low and a chance for more revenue off the cheap seats.
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Does anyone know if the students had mid terms this week? I remember when I was a student having Tuesday Night Classes all the time starting at 530 ending at 7pm those were usually the easiest classes as well.
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Does anyone know if the students had mid terms this week? I remember when I was a student having Tuesday Night Classes all the time starting at 530 ending at 7pm those were usually the easiest classes as well.
Midterms? No.
Night classes? Of course!
...and Tues was a popular Greek rush night
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Midterms? No.
Night classes? Of course!
...and Tues was a popular Greek rush night
I took a sales class on a Wednesday night and I think there were two home games that fell on those nights and I flat out told the professor I wouldn't be at class those nights because I wasn't going to miss the games. He was really cool about it because I was honest with him and he gave me some extra project to do and I basically had his blessing to miss class. The only bad part about that was that I definitely needed to make sure I never missed any of the other classes.
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UD can blame their selves for the change in student body make-up. The administration wanted it that way. It is a product of Marianist leftist loony-tunes mentality about social justice. Their perspective is that more foreign students are needed, etc. They aspire to make the university look more like the demographic makeup of the city of Dayton, etc.
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Anyone else see Red Panda get worn out at halftime of the UNC/Duke game...bowls weren't very kind to her.
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Not according to the people I am describing!

Separate note: A 21 or 22 year old ought to be able to purchase and drink a beer, regardless of what section they are in. See nanny government mentality!

Plus, no true rivals, and no in-state or regional games. Many of us fell in love with the program in large part because of games against UC, XU, MIAMI, NOTRE DAME, DePaul, Marquette, U of L., UK, Ohio State, and Wright State.

No matter if like any of those examples, those games all existed around the same time. And often in the same season. Now? NOT! NOTHING AT ALL. With all do respect, the schedule lacks substance, is dull, boring, and stupid. It's no wonder they aren't interested.

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Not according to the people I am describing!

Separate note: A 21 or 22 year old ought to be able to purchase and drink a beer, regardless of what section they are in. See nanny government mentality!

Plus, no true rivals, and no in-state or regional games. Many of us fell in love with the program in large part because of games against UC, XU, MIAMI, NOTRE DAME, DePaul, Marquette, U of L., UK, Ohio State, and Wright State.

No matter if like any of those examples, those games all existed around the same time. And often in the same season. Now? NOT! NOTHING AT ALL. With all do respect, the schedule lacks substance, is dull, boring, and stupid. It's no wonder they aren't interested.
Good call. Yet another reason for http://udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30358
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Thank you; it is a good call by me.

However, you can wipe your dayton to the Big East, right out of your system. That's not going to happen; maybe ever.
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Thank you; it is a good call by me.

However, you can wipe your dayton to the Big East, right out of your system. That's not going to happen; maybe ever.
Ok, fine, but it would solve the problem which is what I replying to.
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I disagree. DO NOT wipe the Big East out of your system. This Program/Administration/coaches/players continuously are pulling surprises out of nowhere. I no longer doubt it. i have a real good feeling for the Big East. And no, i have no insider info.

These are the Golden Years of Flyer hoops. We now expect NCAA berths. Lets hope this turns into the rule not the exception.
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It is clear that we need to be in the BE (well documented in this thread)
It is clear that it will not be easy to get in, perhaps ever (well documented in this thread)
It is clear that UD should not stop pursuing an invitation, whether publicly or in private.

That is really all that needs to be said on the issue.
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When "someone" starts out a comment with phrases like "It is clear..." it usually means nothing more than "I think....". Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but just making an edict type statement does NOT mean everyone is in agreement with you!
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When "someone" starts out a comment with phrases like "It is clear..." it usually means nothing more than "I think....". Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but just making an edict type statement does NOT mean everyone is in agreement with you!
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However, in fairness, this is YOUR opinion, and not everyone is in agreement with you. You can say that on any thread on this board. What is your point here? My choice in how I worded the sentence? I highlighted both arguments, that we need to be in but that we may never be in. Read the thread.
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However, in fairness, this is YOUR opinion, and not everyone is in agreement with you. You can say that on any thread on this board. What is your point here? My choice in how I worded the sentence? I highlighted both arguments, that we need to be in but that we may never be in. Read the thread.
Your statement "that is really all that needs to be said on the issue" indicates to me that you are the seat of all wisdom on the issue and everyone else is wrong and should not waste their time posting their views.
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Your statement "that is really all that needs to be said on the issue" indicates to me that you are the seat of all wisdom on the issue and everyone else is wrong and should not waste their time posting their views.
If that is the case, why did you comment?
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Fine, it is clear TO ME. Happy?
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So to summarize this thread so far.

1. The players should behave properly during the National Anthem
2. It is CLEAR getting into the Big East will solve everything and you are not allowed to disagree with that opinion.
3. A few other random thoughts
4. A few actual ideas to get more students to the game.

What's shocking is that nobody has blamed John Crosby for poor student attendance since 99% of everything wrong with UD basketball is his fault on this forum. It almost gives me hope for some of you!!!!!
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So to summarize this thread so far.

1. The players should behave properly during the National Anthem
2. It is CLEAR getting into the Big East will solve everything and you are not allowed to disagree with that opinion.
3. A few other random thoughts
4. A few actual ideas to get more students to the game.

What's shocking is that nobody has blamed John Crosby for poor student attendance since 99% of everything wrong with UD basketball is his fault on this forum. It almost gives me hope for some of you!!!!!
Not at all. It is CLEAR that if we were in the BE that it would generate more student interest. Hard to argue BE opponents vs A10 opponents.

And what did you add to this discussion? Nothing but complaining, that is CLEAR to me.
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Not at all. It is CLEAR that if we were in the BE that it would generate more student interest. Hard to argue BE opponents vs A10 opponents.

And what did you add to this discussion? Nothing but complaining, that is CLEAR to me.
Why don't you look back at all of my posts in this thread. They either gave reasons I didn't think the students were showing up and then yesterday they had actual ideas that could be implemented next year about actually getting students to games. I didn't once complain about the students not showing up if you had actually read the posts.

I also wasn't disagreeing with your opinion about the Big East potentially helping student attendance. It probably would, but that isn't something that can be changed easily. So why don't you have a beer and chill out since I was just having a little fun summarizing the tangents this thread has taken with that last post. A couple people actually appeared to take that post the right way but you obviously didn't.
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Announced today that a limited number of tickets are available for Saturday's game.
Unclaimed student tickets?
I know PNC is sponsoring the March to the Arena with free food and the like before the game. Weather should be excellent for the march.
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The athletic department held tickets for those inductees' friends and family members who were wishing to attend the game. Those ticket requests have been fulfilled.

It seems like there were some left over
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Well that just killed the ticket resale market and probably ticked off some people who bought $70 400 level tickets in the last couple of rows of the arena.
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How was the student turnout for the Bona game on Saturday?
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How was the student turnout for the Bona game on Saturday?
The 100 level was full a little overflow into the 200 level but it was mostly empty. Was not impressed with student turnout. I drove thru the ghetto on the way to the game and there was a porch party at every third house or so. I think the weather was too perfect and they would rather be outside. I have to say that my 10 year old godson was impressed with the ghetto scene and wants to go to UD now.
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How was the student turnout for the Bona game on Saturday?
Pretty good, but not overwhelming.

On another note that was previously discussed in this thread...
All the players except one senior who is 6'6" from Chicago respectfully behaved themselves during the national anthem yesterday. The misbehaving player chatted during most of the anthem. I'll give Darrell Davis credit for not talking back to him.
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How was the student turnout for the Bona game on Saturday?
Not very good. 100 and the first few rows of the left 200 section...few more scattered in but the overwhelming majority of the 200 was adults who got released tickets.

UD needs to seriously rethink the way they are doing things in order to get students to the games. Sold out crowd on a Saturday afternoon...plenty of time to party at 430 after the game. Embarrassing really...fighting for a conference title and that's the best they can do. Tuesday's excuse will be they have classes at night and the next morning...
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This may have been part of the reason. UD and cops are starting to crack down on outside parties. This is a shame. UD is going overboard here in my opinion.
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Almost every school is experiencing a decrease in student involvement, participation, and attendance at campus events - especially athletics. Even schools where many would think this would be unimaginable (Duke, UCLA, Maryland) are struggling with this. This is especially true at schools that depend upon student fees to fund athletics (think MAC schools). There is legit concern that students will not vote to continue fees with so few attending games and/or seeing value in athletics.

One exception is Grand Canyon University which provides a game-day experience for students that is insane. If you haven't read or seen any stories about what they have created, I highly encourage you to do so. It's pretty incredible.

All that said, UD students need to show up and athletics needs to provide a game day experience that makes them want to attend. There is so much competition for the time and attention of students - you have to make game days a "too awesome to miss" environment.
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Almost every school is experiencing a decrease in student involvement, participation, and attendance at campus events - especially athletics. Even schools where many would think this would be unimaginable (Duke, UCLA, Maryland) are struggling with this. This is especially true at schools that depend upon student fees to fund athletics (think MAC schools). There is legit concern that students will not vote to continue fees with so few attending games and/or seeing value in athletics.

One exception is Grand Canyon University which provides a game-day experience for students that is insane. If you haven't read or seen any stories about what they have created, I highly encourage you to do so. It's pretty incredible.

All that said, UD students need to show up and athletics needs to provide a game day experience that makes them want to attend. There is so much competition for the time and attention of students - you have to make game days a "too awesome to miss" environment.
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...and athletics needs to provide a game day experience that makes them want to attend.
The hardest thing for athletics to do to entice student/fan participation is winning. That's being done. The pizza pie giveaways, halfcourt shot contests, and Morris Home Furnishing musical chairs game is just window dressing. Any school can slap those distractions together. But do you put a good product on the floor and make the Show?

If you haven't uncovered a reason to attend the MBB games by now, there are no reasons left on the table. Bribes are just that: enticements to encourage the apathetic and indifferent to partake in an exercise they would otherwise have no interest were it not for the carrot-and-stick distraction from the main course.

I also never liked the points system from years ago for the same reason. Students would show up at soccer or vball games and literally split town by intermission. No interest being there other than to get swiped. If Im a student athlete and you're only there to play the charade, I'd rather you never show up to begin with. Athletes don't want to be placated to and would rather have 25 fans in the stands for the right reasons than 250 who would rather not be there at all given different circumstances.
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Since the VCU message board has a thread devoted to our thread on Student attendance, I thought I would note this post from their thread.

Our student body is great, but they almost NEVER use their full allotment, which is why you'll see us selling some tickets a few days before a game.

VCU total student pop of 31k with 24k undergraduate.
UD total student pop of 10k with 8k undergraduate.

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UD Arena hold 13,000
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Two years ago at Davidson they gave a free large pizza to every student attending. Every student seat was taken, and it was loud loud. It will be interesting to see this Friday for a 9 PM game on ESPN, how many will show.
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Thanks for the replies about Saturday's attendance. I had seen that the Red Scare had organized a "March to the Arena" that started with some free food etc at 10:30 am and they got to the Arena at like 12:30 for a 2pm game. To me that just sounds crazy. There is no way I was going to be out of bed at 10:30 on a Saturday morning for anything while I was at UD. And since there are no reserved seats for the students I would say a lot of them who would like to arrive 20 or 30 minutes before the game like normal people probably decided to just stay in the ghetto, enjoy the weather, and watch on TV because they have no clue if they'll get a decent seat or get stuck in the 400's. If that group had been able to pickup or reserve tickets a couple days before I think they would have been more likely to go.

If UD wants to continue using the whole 200 sections for students maybe they need to go back to a reserved ticketing system for students that involves no points system. It obviously can't get any worse so it can't hurt to try that. Otherwise I'm starting to side with the people who think UD should just sell those 200 level seats to the public and make some money.
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