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Interesting fact. In all three of our defeats, one of the two teams scored 61 points. In all of our wins, none of the teams scored 61 points. I was holding my breath when we got to 59 today. In terms of Rollo's award, I gave my vote to KD because of his play at the end. He saved our bacon.
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I would have voted for both Pollard and Davis if possible, but KP won out since I had only 1 vote. Too bad he was out for the first LaS game. I am really hoping everyone stays healthy. Maybe this week off games will help them be even more ready to beat GM I'll be there with my Flyer shirts and loud cheering.
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It was close but I had to go with KD. The kicker for me was that he seemed to be the one moving the ball on offense rather than Scoochie. And that 3 that put our lead in double digits for the first time in the game seemed to be the dagger that finally got LaSalle to feel like they are the losers that they normally are.
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Originally Posted by 66flyer
I would have voted for both Pollard and Davis if possible, but KP won out since I had only 1 vote. Too bad he was out for the first LaS game. I am really hoping everyone stays healthy. Maybe this week off games will help them be even more ready to beat GM I'll be there with my Flyer shirts and loud cheering.
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Hopefully that game in LaSalle and the last 2 games has shown KP how important he is. The big thing for him is to not get in foul trouble because that just messes everything up. When he gets in early foul trouble, it seems that he can never get into the flow of the game from that point on.
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Went with KD due to the timing of his points - put the game away in the 2nd half. And 7 RBs!
Pollard owned the first half and I had him picked until KD's timely explosion.
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I would successfully argue that it was Mr. Sentimental's points that sealed the game. Thereby royally loaning his vote to Pollard. Pollard's gonads were biggest today.
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Pollard would have won, if not for 5 very costly and untimely turnovers. A couple were just stupid soft passes that not even middle school girls would make. Kyle Davis all the way. What the stats do not show with Kyle is his hustle, scrapyness and defense.
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan
Pollard would have won, if not for 5 very costly and untimely turnovers. A couple were just stupid soft passes that not even middle school girls would make. Kyle Davis all the way. What the stats do not show with Kyle is his hustle, scrapyness and defense.
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Totally agree, 5 turnovers by Pollard is really bad. Hence Davis got my vote.
UD the 100th rated offense in the country due to two main negative factors:
(1) Turnovers -- Dayton is 269/351 teams because the Flyers give up the ball due to a turnover on 20% of possessions. We are losing 2-3 possessions a game which translates into 2 or 3 points a game assuming we could be just an average NCAA team.
(2) Free Throws - enough said.
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Voted KP because he set the necessary tone in the first half with an aggressiveness that no other Flyer was showing. When he did that, we got a lead that we never lost. Could have gone with KD, though, b/c he sealed the deal for us in the 2nd Half.
Kudos also to Crosby for having possibly his best game as a Flyer. With Scoochie having a rough time of it today, we needed his backup to have a solid game and at least "hold serve" if not improve our situation. Crosby gave us steadiness and a spark when we needed it. Nice job, Sir John!
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I see the offensive "jock sniffers" have pushed KP back into the lead. C'mon you well rounded fans that appreciate both O and D, let's get our little man back into the lead.
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I can't remember.. did Pollard play last time Dayton lost to LaSalle?
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Oops; I guess you just got your memory back.
Smitty, if taking Defense into account; then it's almost always Dyshawn Dyshawn Dyshawn, for holding down the entire lane and frontline, all game, game after game after game. Pollard gets the offensive vote; otherwise the rounded vote forever goes to Mr Sentimental the Royal Montie Canadian.
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Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach
Oops; I guess you just got your memory back.
Smitty, if taking Defense into account; then it's almost always Dyshawn Dyshawn Dyshawn, for holding down the entire lane and frontline, all game, game after game after game. Pollard gets the offensive vote; otherwise the rounded vote forever goes to Mr Sentimental the Royal Montie Canadian.
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Can't go wrong with Dyshawn, my favorite player. But number 3 is challenging him for that spot with me. To me, Kyle's the guy that makes this team go. He reminds me of Pete Rose(just don't gamble on the team Kyle), he plays at full speed all game long and makes thing happen.
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KP scored more. KD had a better game. KD plays under control, and brings it on the defensive end, night in, night out. Unselfish player.
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Originally Posted by forego1
I can't remember.. did Pollard play last time Dayton lost to LaSalle?
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No, and Archie was quoted saying Kendall has not practiced at all leading up to the last two games because of the Achilles and knee pain.
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Crosby - He reasserted himself as a legitimate player.
I was worried about him before this game. Not anymore.
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It's high time Mr. Glue gets his due. KD.
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Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan
No, and Archie was quoted saying Kendall has not practiced at all leading up to the last two games because of the Achilles and knee pain.
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When/where did he say that? I had not heard that.
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
When/where did he say that? I had not heard that.
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In a DDN article written after the game http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/new...ondaily_launch
"Pollard made 5 of 9 shots from the field and 8 of 12 free throws. He didn’t practice at all in the days leading up to the last two games, Dayton coach Archie Miller said, because of Achilles tendon and knee pain. Then he left Thursday to fly home to Chicago."
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Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan
In a DDN article written after the game http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/new...ondaily_launch
"Pollard made 5 of 9 shots from the field and 8 of 12 free throws. He didn’t practice at all in the days leading up to the last two games, Dayton coach Archie Miller said, because of Achilles tendon and knee pain. Then he left Thursday to fly home to Chicago."
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Ok, just read it this morning in my paper DDN.
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan
Pollard would have won, if not for 5 very costly and untimely turnovers. A couple were just stupid soft passes that not even middle school girls would make. Kyle Davis all the way. What the stats do not show with Kyle is his hustle, scrapyness and defense.
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Kyle Davis is a much better defender than Kendall Pollard {in fact, a better all-around player}.
However, don't tell me Kyle has it over Kendall (in any game) when it comes to hustle and scrappiness.
And, as to losing to LaSalle?
THAT was because the raw, bullish intimidation was missing. I wonder who brings that?
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Originally Posted by forego1
However, don't tell me Kyle has it over Kendall (in any game) when it comes to hustle and scrappiness.
And, as to losing to LaSalle?
THAT was because the raw, bullish intimidation was missing. I wonder who brings that?
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Or it could have been because we jacked up 25 threes and hit only 7 of them and shot 31% overall. Last night we shot 49% and hit 3 of 7 threes.
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The biggest takeaway from this game? I now have faith in John Crosby. And post Scooch,Kyle and Kendall i now have faith Steve,Josh,Crosby and Darrell can carry the day.
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
Or it could have been because we jacked up 25 threes and hit only 7 of them and shot 31% overall. Last night we shot 49% and hit 3 of 7 threes.
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Why were the Flyers having to jack up that many threes?
Answer: LaSalle packed it in around the basket with impunity.
Kendall would have knocked those kids around like bowling pins.
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We are in violent agreement. KP would have made a difference in the LaSalle loss, but Pierre and Cooke, and the team in general should have attacked. Fewer 3's, a better shooting % were a big issue as well. Another issue is we needed 10 seconds of pure defensive havoc when LaSalle came out of their stall. Didn't have it.
Yesterday there was one possession where LaSalle started their offensive move and made a three 1 second AFTER the shot clock expired. In Philly they made shots 1 second BEFORE the shot clock expired. Yesterday we also forced a turnover with no shot, and another when they shot an airball. Defense!!
Our attacking, shooting, late shot clock defense, our crowd, were all contributors to the win, and it's a dam good thing they were because we didn't crack LaSalle until KD's dagger opened the flood gates with 6 minutes left. I truly believe that if we had played 3 more minutes we would have covered the 21 point spread.
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Let's all of us remember this is a LaSalle team that has lost to both UMASS and Fordham. Additionally they lost to Richmond by 22' st. Joes by 21, the Dukes by 27 and have one conference win. Beating them with or without KP should not be a big deal.
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Originally Posted by LI Flyer
Let's all of us remember this is a LaSalle team that has lost to both UMASS and Fordham. Additionally they lost to Richmond by 22' st. Joes by 21, the Dukes by 27 and have one conference win. Beating them with or without KP should not be a big deal.
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Agreed, but their slow down strategy really bothered us in the first game and we started playing not to lose rather than playing to win by 30. Anytime you do that, you make the game closer than it needs to be, and now and again you just might lose, like we did at LaSalle. I think the best way to counter their strategy is to start Crosby. He is an agitator, and rather than manage the game like Scoochie does, he will take it to them early and often and let our better players win on our terms.
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Originally Posted by forego1
However, don't tell me Kyle has it over Kendall (in any game) when it comes to hustle and scrappiness.
And, as to losing to LaSalle?
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Saying in any game is a pretty bold statement. Do we need to dig up old game threads where everyone was ****ed when Kendall looked like he was in a funk and only had 2 rebounds the entire game, to go along with sloppy D.
Also, are you saying the vote on todays player of the game is based upon us losing to LaSalle last time without KP?
It great we have more than one option to discuss for yesterdays game, and like I said Kendall would have won if not for his 5 very sloppy turn overs. Kyle only had one turnover, on a charge.
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan
Saying in any game is a pretty bold statement. Do we need to dig up old game threads where everyone was ****ed when Kendall looked like he was in a funk and only had 2 rebounds the entire game, to go along with sloppy D.
Also, are you saying the vote on todays player of the game is based upon us losing to LaSalle last time without KP?
It great we have more than one option to discuss for yesterdays game, and like I said Kendall would have won if not for his 5 very sloppy turn overs. Kyle only had one turnover, on a charge.
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I think he had 5 assists too.
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan
Saying in any game is a pretty bold statement. Do we need to dig up old game threads where everyone was ****ed...
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Yes (plus yes you're right.. to the exaggeration.)
So No (no digging up /lol)
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Originally Posted by forego1
Kyle Davis is a much better defender than Kendall Pollard {in fact, a better all-around player}.
However, don't tell me Kyle has it over Kendall (in any game) when it comes to hustle and scrappiness.
And, as to losing to LaSalle?
THAT was because the raw, bullish intimidation was missing. I wonder who brings that?
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Bullcrap. Are you saying the Flyers aren't a better team than LaSalle without KP? Because if that were the truth, what you say makes sense. Otherwise, you're giving KP too much credit. The Flyers played a bad game on January 9th and had they played as badly yesterday, they probably would've lost again, with or without KP.
So by your simplistic logic, in 2008-2009, the Flyers made it to the NCAA tournament because they played better than they did in 2007-2008. Therefore, Brian Roberts held them back and London Warren made them better.
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I vote for JC. I thought he a very product 11 minutes in this game. I saw some flashes running the court & playing tough defense. I haven't seen too many games but one of the early games I saw, he didn't seem ready. If you can 11 consistent minutes down the stretch from him we'll have a nice rotation at the guards for the post season.
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Smitty 10, I implied and you filled in the blanks yourself.
Someone needed to get the hard charge fouls in the loss. Further, without any apparent alarm or adjustment by others, at least KP would have reverted to his out-of-control aggression.
We never even showed animated desperation that we were going down. Pollard's personality isn't like that. Fu**, Pollard would have jacked up threes, if nothing else.
I mean, he can miss as well as the others, but him doing that would have sent the message > "WE'RE IN TROUBLE!"
Of course! We were the better team, but did you get the sense we did anything differently to change the ever-increasing foreseen outcome of losing?
I say we would have won that game with Kendall Pollard playing. Then too, I tend to think maybe everything turned out for the best.
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Smitty 10, I implied and you filled in the blanks yourself.
Someone needed to get the hard charge fouls in the loss. Further, without any apparent alarm or adjustment by others, at least KP would have reverted to his out-of-control aggression.
We never even showed animated desperation that we were going down. Pollard's personality isn't like that. Fu**, Pollard would have jacked up threes, if nothing else.
I mean, he can miss as well as the others, but him doing that would have sent the message > "WE'RE IN TROUBLE!"
Of course! We were the better team, but did you get the sense we did anything differently to change the ever-increasing foreseen outcome of losing?
I say we would have won that game with Kendall Pollard playing. Then too, I tend to think maybe everything turned out for the best.
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Yes, I'll guess that we would've won that game with KP playing. But I'm going to guess we would've lost that game if KP was playing and DP wasn't. Or SS wasn't, or KD or CC. That doesn't make him the star, it makes him an integral part.
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Thanks for the generosity of 'some' concession, but we needed a wrecking ball more than anything else for that type of game. Kendall Pollard is not one size fits all player, but was exactly the size needed against LaSalle in their scheme.
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and down the stretch they come....
it's Pollard by a furlong...for now.
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Jesus, rollo. A furlong is an eighth of a mile, and even Secretariat won less than than 1/16 of a mile in his famous Belmont Stakes. A horse DID win a little over a 16th a couple years ago.
A furlong is a chunk of a stretch (pardon the pun).
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it's Pollard by a furlong...for now.
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Well if this is a horse race, an Inquiry has been made on #25 for interference.
As in interfering with my ability to vote for him due to 5 turnovers.
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Originally Posted by rollo
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Looks to me like 2 lengths on a muddy track. Yep, that about describes it. KD has filed an objection and there's also an inquiry in to how many times Rollo voted.
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Originally Posted by forego1
Jesus, rollo. A furlong is an eighth of a mile, and even Secretariat won less than than 1/16 of a mile in his famous Belmont Stakes. A horse DID win a little over a 16th a couple years ago.
A furlong is a chunk of a stretch (pardon the pun).
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Just because I'm hung like one doesn't mean I run like one...hence, the terminology.
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Well if this is a horse race, an Inquiry has been made on #25 for interference.
As in interfering with my ability to vote for him due to 5 turnovers.
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You forgot to count the first length of horses nose on wire to the hind. So, it was almost three lengths.
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So what are you saying rollo? You're the chunk of a stretch, and not a hunk of a man?
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Originally Posted by forego1
You forgot to count the first length of horses nose on wire to the hind. So, it was almost three lengths.
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Huh, if you move KD up one length, his nose is up to KP's butt. One more length and we have dead heat. That's 2 lengths in my book, but what do I know, I've lost over 1000 on twinspires since Thanksgiving.
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It's been going into my account on twinspires Smitty10.
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Originally Posted by forego1
It's been going into my account on twinspires Smitty10.
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Only if you've been participating in the superfecta pools. I was on a great streak, and then Churchill closed and the money slipped away. If I only bet Churchill and Arlington, I'd be a rich, rich man.
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It's Pollard...
...by a 1/256th of a furlong...
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I shaved my balls for this?
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The poll did both players justice, and rightly so. Pollard just won Iowa.
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I swear it looked like big Steve had more than one block. Maybe he altered a few.
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Originally Posted by Cardsflyer
I swear it looked like big Steve had more than one block. Maybe he altered a few.
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I believe he had 2. I was looking at Livestats right after he blocked a shot in the second half, and the offensive player grabbed the block and went up again, and they called a foul on Steve. He was not credited with that block, as he previously already had 1.
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