UDPride Discussion Forums    
     

Go Back   UDPride Discussion Forums > UDPRIDE SPORTS FORUMS > Mens Basketball

» Log in
User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!
» Advertisement
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #101  
Old 02-22-2018, 07:33 PM
Jeff Jeff is offline
General
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: PHL
Posts: 5,740
Thanks: 2,603
Thanked 2,337 Times in 1,410 Posts
Jeff has a reputation beyond reputeJeff has a reputation beyond reputeJeff has a reputation beyond reputeJeff has a reputation beyond reputeJeff has a reputation beyond reputeJeff has a reputation beyond reputeJeff has a reputation beyond reputeJeff has a reputation beyond reputeJeff has a reputation beyond reputeJeff has a reputation beyond reputeJeff has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
Would VCU, Xavier or Butler be happy to be under .500 after their numerous coaching changes?

When Wichita St. lost 3 starting guards who had been multi year starters such Fred Van Vleet and Ron Baker (to the NBA) would the expectation there to be under .500?
Now you went and stirred it up.

We're not those programs. We want to be those programs, but it feels better to give excuses why we don't live to those expectations.
Reply With Quote
2 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to Jeff For This Totally Excellent Post:
OSU Flyer (02-22-2018), ud2 (02-22-2018)
Advertisement
  #102  
Old 02-22-2018, 08:37 PM
T-Bone 84's Avatar
T-Bone 84 T-Bone 84 is offline
General of the Air Force
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Shiloh, OH
Posts: 8,414
Thanks: 2,350
Thanked 4,994 Times in 2,668 Posts
T-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan View Post
I don't even understand OSU Flyer's post. We weren't talking about being happy being under .500. We were talking about being happy if we were 16-11, 10-5.
True. And under ordinary circumstances, at this point in our program’s history, I wouldn’t be happy with 16-11, either. But ordinary circumstances don’t include losing an entire coaching staff. Ordinary circumstances don’t include losing 4 starters (3 of them 3-year starters) to graduation. Ordinary circumstances don’t include losing a top returning player to a season-ending injury before the season even starts. Ordinary circumstances...aww, he!!, you get the idea.
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
  #103  
Old 02-22-2018, 08:50 PM
T-Bone 84's Avatar
T-Bone 84 T-Bone 84 is offline
General of the Air Force
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Shiloh, OH
Posts: 8,414
Thanks: 2,350
Thanked 4,994 Times in 2,668 Posts
T-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by priceg75 View Post
Those other programs are smart enough not to construct their roster in such a way that they essentially lose every starter from one season to the next.
Whether it’s being smart, being lucky, or something else, that’s why “class imbalance” has concerned me. Sure, you get the best players you can, when you can. And there’s no question that the 4 seniors who graduated reached heights never before seen at UD. But such a concentration of talent in one class, at our present level of competition, can leave a huge void one it’s gone. And it did.
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to T-Bone 84 For This Totally Excellent Post:
IAFlyer (02-23-2018)
  #104  
Old 02-22-2018, 08:56 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,252
Thanks: 2,335
Thanked 3,904 Times in 2,143 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 View Post
Whether it’s being smart, being lucky, or something else, that’s why “class imbalance” has concerned me. Sure, you get the best players you can, when you can. And there’s no question that the 4 seniors who graduated reached heights never before seen at UD. But such a concentration of talent in one class, at our present level of competition, can leave a huge void one it’s gone. And it did.
Posted via Mobile Device
They key is to have guys waiting in the wings. Wichita St lost their backcourt two seasons ago. Last year they almost beat Kentucky
Reply With Quote
  #105  
Old 02-22-2018, 09:19 PM
Sticks 'n Stearns Sticks 'n Stearns is offline
Captain
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 271
Thanks: 562
Thanked 414 Times in 129 Posts
Sticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud of
This thread was fun while I was reading about how well Kostas played and how Landers is a beast. And then like every other thread, it turned into a pi$$ing match with one person arguing that the VCU win was like a buy-game and then his partner in crime arguing that VCU would not tolerate the season we are having. Then I got to read about how the SBU win from TWO MONTHS AGO shouldn't really count because one of their star players MIGHT have been hurt because he had a bad game. Excuse me while I go poke out my eyes.
Reply With Quote
10 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to Sticks 'n Stearns For This Totally Excellent Post:
Alberto Strasse (02-22-2018), CvilleFlyer (02-22-2018), Lifelong Flyer Fan (02-22-2018), longtimefan (02-22-2018), Monster Man (02-22-2018), priceg75 (02-23-2018), Townie (02-22-2018), TXFlyerFan (02-22-2018), UD62 (02-22-2018), UDEE79 (02-22-2018)
  #106  
Old 02-22-2018, 09:55 PM
TXFlyerFan TXFlyerFan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,897
Thanks: 1,341
Thanked 1,302 Times in 674 Posts
TXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond repute
I like to post these post-game recaps to have a discussion about the various aspects of the game. I sometimes read the game thread and even post at halftime or maybe something after the game but when I'm watching, I'm not on the computer. But for me, I like to read how other's viewed the game and individual/team play within. I don't know how to keep the unrelated responses from infecting these though, wish I did.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to TXFlyerFan For This Totally Excellent Post:
SeasonTicketFan (02-22-2018)
  #107  
Old 02-22-2018, 10:21 PM
MikeFlyer's Avatar
MikeFlyer MikeFlyer is offline
Captain
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: West Carrollton
Posts: 386
Thanks: 673
Thanked 158 Times in 91 Posts
MikeFlyer is a splendid one to beholdMikeFlyer is a splendid one to beholdMikeFlyer is a splendid one to beholdMikeFlyer is a splendid one to beholdMikeFlyer is a splendid one to beholdMikeFlyer is a splendid one to beholdMikeFlyer is a splendid one to beholdMikeFlyer is a splendid one to behold
Originally Posted by Ready Action View Post
It is unbecoming of a senior to throw the ball to a freshman let alone a redshirt freshman. Where have ya'll been? Seriously this happens a lot and not just at UD. Years ago Brooks Hall mentioned something about it during an interview when he was recounting his freshman year.
All freshmen are not created equal!
Reply With Quote
  #108  
Old 02-22-2018, 10:58 PM
SeasonTicketFan's Avatar
SeasonTicketFan SeasonTicketFan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Beavercreek
Posts: 3,942
Thanks: 4,069
Thanked 4,285 Times in 1,756 Posts
SeasonTicketFan has a reputation beyond reputeSeasonTicketFan has a reputation beyond reputeSeasonTicketFan has a reputation beyond reputeSeasonTicketFan has a reputation beyond reputeSeasonTicketFan has a reputation beyond reputeSeasonTicketFan has a reputation beyond reputeSeasonTicketFan has a reputation beyond reputeSeasonTicketFan has a reputation beyond reputeSeasonTicketFan has a reputation beyond reputeSeasonTicketFan has a reputation beyond reputeSeasonTicketFan has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan View Post
I like to post these post-game recaps to have a discussion about the various aspects of the game. I sometimes read the game thread and even post at halftime or maybe something after the game but when I'm watching, I'm not on the computer. But for me, I like to read how other's viewed the game and individual/team play within. I don't know how to keep the unrelated responses from infecting these though, wish I did.
I enjoy reading different analysis of the games. I add my own comments as well as unpopular as they may be.

St. Louis game was incredible to watch as a fan and it was fun to see the different strategies and execution. UD wins only if Kostas has the impact he had. A key part of strategy is execution.

This team has been erratic and unpredictable this year. It often like watching two different teams.
Reply With Quote
  #109  
Old 02-22-2018, 11:00 PM
MikeFlyer's Avatar
MikeFlyer MikeFlyer is offline
Captain
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: West Carrollton
Posts: 386
Thanks: 673
Thanked 158 Times in 91 Posts
MikeFlyer is a splendid one to beholdMikeFlyer is a splendid one to beholdMikeFlyer is a splendid one to beholdMikeFlyer is a splendid one to beholdMikeFlyer is a splendid one to beholdMikeFlyer is a splendid one to beholdMikeFlyer is a splendid one to beholdMikeFlyer is a splendid one to behold
Originally Posted by CE80 View Post
Maybe Bess decided he didn't want to go to UD - twice.
Maybe he found out he'd have to go to class.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to MikeFlyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
CT Flyer (02-23-2018)
  #110  
Old 02-22-2018, 11:29 PM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,431
Thanks: 6,787
Thanked 6,126 Times in 4,171 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan View Post
If you truly believe that 16-11 and 10-5 would be shabby this season considering we lost four starters, two top reserves, etc, etc, then it seems you are incapable of having a reasonable discussion on the matter. I think any UD fan (except you, apparently) would be happy to have that record right now considering the circumstances we are in.


All I can say is that I vehemently disagree.
Reply With Quote
  #111  
Old 02-23-2018, 07:23 AM
longtimefan67's Avatar
longtimefan67 longtimefan67 is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,423
Thanks: 1,534
Thanked 2,329 Times in 1,078 Posts
longtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post


All I can say is that I vehemently disagree.
Since we’re discussing fantasy land, what DO you think the record should have been this year? Keep in mind that 6 of the top 8 players from last year in terms of minutes played are now gone due to graduation or injury The 2 remaining were XW and DD. 1 of those guys hasn’t progressed...
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
  #112  
Old 02-23-2018, 07:24 AM
T-Bone 84's Avatar
T-Bone 84 T-Bone 84 is offline
General of the Air Force
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Shiloh, OH
Posts: 8,414
Thanks: 2,350
Thanked 4,994 Times in 2,668 Posts
T-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
They key is to have guys waiting in the wings. Wichita St lost their backcourt two seasons ago. Last year they almost beat Kentucky
True, and for whatever reason, we didn’t have enough guys with the right degree of experience ready to step-in. But, for a variety of reasons, we were short on that kind of depth. Plus, there’s a world of difference in having to replace 2 guys and 4 guys, when you only have a maximum of 13 players, and often 2-3 scholarships don’t get used.
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
  #113  
Old 02-23-2018, 07:41 AM
T-Bone 84's Avatar
T-Bone 84 T-Bone 84 is offline
General of the Air Force
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Shiloh, OH
Posts: 8,414
Thanks: 2,350
Thanked 4,994 Times in 2,668 Posts
T-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
Since we’re discussing fantasy land, what DO you think the record should have been this year? Keep in mind that 6 of the top 8 players from last year in terms of minutes played are now gone due to graduation or injury The 2 remaining were XW and DD. 1 of those guys hasn’t progressed...
Posted via Mobile Device
Longtimefan67, I’m in your corner on this, but I do have 1 minor correction to offer. It’s 5/7 from last year’s top players in terms of total minutes, not 6/8. And really, it’s 5 of the top 6, since DD was #7 on that list. And finally, the one who did return and was in the top 6 (XW) isn’t the same player that we saw last year.

So (as countless people have said on this board for the past 3+ months), half the team is essentially new to the sport of college basketball. Some of those have developed into contributors. Some have a way to go yet in that regard. And, of the guys who returned with experience, as you said, some have progressed (DD & JoshC), while others have not (XW & JohnC). So, yeah, the season has been a disappointment, but in retrospect, that should not have been a total surprise.
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
  #114  
Old 02-23-2018, 08:21 AM
longtimefan67's Avatar
longtimefan67 longtimefan67 is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,423
Thanks: 1,534
Thanked 2,329 Times in 1,078 Posts
longtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 View Post
Longtimefan67, I’m in your corner on this, but I do have 1 minor correction to offer. It’s 5/7 from last year’s top players in terms of total minutes, not 6/8. And really, it’s 5 of the top 6, since DD was #7 on that list. And finally, the one who did return and was in the top 6 (XW) isn’t the same player that we saw last year.

So (as countless people have said on this board for the past 3+ months), half the team is essentially new to the sport of college basketball. Some of those have developed into contributors. Some have a way to go yet in that regard. And, of the guys who returned with experience, as you said, some have progressed (DD & JoshC), while others have not (XW & JohnC). So, yeah, the season has been a disappointment, but in retrospect, that should not have been a total surprise.
Posted via Mobile Device
The good news is that Kostas may have had his breakout game. I know i wear rose colored glasses, i have no illusions of NCAA trip this year but...stranger things have happened so i never throw in the towel until the clock hits “0”. Three weeks ago if UD were down 13 early in the second half the only question would have been “how much do we lose by or do we go down fighting”. I sense a different mentality the last few weeks. Every year you see a team put it together and peak at the right time, upsets happen and next thing you know you have a team playing in the first round with a 14-17 record. Lets play it out and ponder in the off season- the team still has at least 4 games left.
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
  #115  
Old 02-23-2018, 09:16 AM
Gazoo's Avatar
Gazoo Gazoo is offline
General
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 6,566
Thanks: 5,146
Thanked 5,434 Times in 2,374 Posts
Gazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 View Post
True. And under ordinary circumstances, at this point in our program’s history, I wouldn’t be happy with 16-11, either. But ordinary circumstances don’t include losing an entire coaching staff. Ordinary circumstances don’t include losing 4 starters (3 of them 3-year starters) to graduation. Ordinary circumstances don’t include losing a top returning player to a season-ending injury before the season even starts. Ordinary circumstances...aww, he!!, you get the idea.
Posted via Mobile Device
And you're forgetting the most important player we lost to this year's team, Big Steve.

Imagine:
Crutcher
DD
Trey
Cunningham
Steve

Off bench: XW, Mikesell, JDavis

That's a team that would have struggled early in the year but would be a legitimate threat to make the NCAA tournament at this point. Cunningham would be an absolute beast as the weak-side post player and Steve would be setting records for blocked shots.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to Gazoo For This Totally Excellent Post:
IAFlyer (02-23-2018)
  #116  
Old 02-23-2018, 09:29 AM
longtimefan67's Avatar
longtimefan67 longtimefan67 is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,423
Thanks: 1,534
Thanked 2,329 Times in 1,078 Posts
longtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond repute
Can you imagine Big Steve with Kostas?
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
  #117  
Old 02-23-2018, 09:35 AM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,431
Thanks: 6,787
Thanked 6,126 Times in 4,171 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
Since we’re discussing fantasy land, what DO you think the record should have been this year? Keep in mind that 6 of the top 8 players from last year in terms of minutes played are now gone due to graduation or injury The 2 remaining were XW and DD. 1 of those guys hasn’t progressed...
Posted via Mobile Device
Using the rpi wizard: http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/Dayton.html

At a minimum, I think it is reasonable to say that we should have been able to beat Penn at home, sweep UMass, win at Duquesne, and win at GM. That puts us at 18-9 and solidly in the NIT and solidly in the top 3 in the A10. Over the final 3, maybe lose at URI, win at LaSalle, and beat GW at home. Finish at 20-10, rpi 41, sos 52, and maybe looking at an 11 seed or the First Four or a 1 or 2 seed in the NIT.

If I am probably being unreasonable, I think we should have only lost to Miss State on the road, Auburn on the road, Old Dominion on a neutral court, SMC on the road, URI at UD Arena, at VCU, and at SLU. We would be 20-7. Maybe lose at URI, win at LaSalle, and beat GW at UD Arena to finish at 22-8, rpi 23, sos 52, and looking at maybe a 5 or 6 seed.
Reply With Quote
  #118  
Old 02-23-2018, 10:22 AM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,431
Thanks: 6,787
Thanked 6,126 Times in 4,171 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
Since we’re discussing fantasy land, what DO you think the record should have been this year? Keep in mind that 6 of the top 8 players from last year in terms of minutes played are now gone due to graduation or injury The 2 remaining were XW and DD. 1 of those guys hasn’t progressed...
Posted via Mobile Device
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-...fm/team/dayton

Las Vegas agrees with me.

If we had just won all the games that we were favored in, we would be 19-8 right now:

Hofstra, Penn, at Duquesne, UMass x2, and at GM.

And per rpiforecast, we are supposed to finish 1-2. So, we would be at 20-10 with a chance to make the NCAAT, maybe depending on our A10T performance.
Reply With Quote
  #119  
Old 02-23-2018, 11:31 AM
shocka43's Avatar
shocka43 shocka43 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: It's hot and there is fire
Posts: 9,353
Thanks: 5,412
Thanked 9,809 Times in 4,072 Posts
shocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
If we had just won all the games that we were favored in, we would be 19-8 right now.
That's never the case...you usually snag one or two you weren't expected to win...that hasn't happened this year.
Reply With Quote
  #120  
Old 02-23-2018, 11:50 AM
Smitty10's Avatar
Smitty10 Smitty10 is offline
General
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 6,642
Thanks: 1,559
Thanked 4,578 Times in 2,405 Posts
Smitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-...fm/team/dayton

Las Vegas agrees with me.

If we had just won all the games that we were favored in, we would be 19-8 right now:

Hofstra, Penn, at Duquesne, UMass x2, and at GM.

And per rpiforecast, we are supposed to finish 1-2. So, we would be at 20-10 with a chance to make the NCAAT, maybe depending on our A10T performance.
Actually, if we beat Hofstra we would've most likely then lost to Clemson and Auburn just like they did and that wouldn't have effected our record. This team wasn't going to NCAA tournament regardless. There just weren't enough quality wins available that we could reasonably look at and say that would've gotten us to the big dance. NIT maybe.
Reply With Quote
  #121  
Old 02-23-2018, 12:29 PM
longtimefan67's Avatar
longtimefan67 longtimefan67 is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,423
Thanks: 1,534
Thanked 2,329 Times in 1,078 Posts
longtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond repute
Just seeing how difficult it was for UD to be included in the last 4 years told me how hard it would be with the amount of turnover in players from last year to this year to make the dance. Of course again...anything could happen in the A10 tournament. Am i expecting it? No, but if you get hot at the right time ....anything is possible. I thought if all went extremely well this would be an NIT team. At this point its likely neither, but i like the way its shaping up for next year where likely UD will be a favorite to win the regular season title or near the top 2-3 teams that could do it.
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
  #122  
Old 02-23-2018, 12:59 PM
longtimefan longtimefan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 9,571
Thanks: 3,383
Thanked 6,618 Times in 3,024 Posts
longtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
I thought if all went extremely well this would be an NIT team.
Bingo. Operative words: "if all went extremely well." 18-12 would have been a very good record with these players and under the circumstances.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to longtimefan For This Totally Excellent Post:
shocka43 (02-23-2018)
  #123  
Old 02-23-2018, 01:49 PM
shocka43's Avatar
shocka43 shocka43 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: It's hot and there is fire
Posts: 9,353
Thanks: 5,412
Thanked 9,809 Times in 4,072 Posts
shocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan View Post
Bingo. Operative words: "if all went extremely well." 18-12 would have been a very good record with these players and under the circumstances.
I shot for 16-17...that's about where we are at.
Reply With Quote
  #124  
Old 02-23-2018, 04:30 PM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,431
Thanks: 6,787
Thanked 6,126 Times in 4,171 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Smitty10 View Post
Actually, if we beat Hofstra we would've most likely then lost to Clemson and Auburn just like they did and that wouldn't have effected our record. This team wasn't going to NCAA tournament regardless. There just weren't enough quality wins available that we could reasonably look at and say that would've gotten us to the big dance. NIT maybe.
If we beat Hofstra, then lose to Clemson and Auburn, the sos goes from 52 to 39. That is a significant improvement in the sos. UD did a good job with the sos this year, it is too bad that the sos is not this good every year.

You folks kill me with the stuff about this being an automatic non-NCAAT/non-NIT year, I think people just changed their expectations as the season played out vs. what their expectations really were at the start of the year. Nobody thought that we would make the NCAAT in Archie's 3rd, 4th, or 5th year.

I am definitely posting a poll at the start of next season to gauge people's expectations. I wish that I would have done so at the start of this year.

Last edited by ud2; 02-23-2018 at 04:37 PM..
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to ud2 For This Totally Excellent Post:
OSU Flyer (02-23-2018)
  #125  
Old 02-23-2018, 05:07 PM
Sticks 'n Stearns Sticks 'n Stearns is offline
Captain
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 271
Thanks: 562
Thanked 414 Times in 129 Posts
Sticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud ofSticks 'n Stearns has much to be proud of
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
You folks kill me with the stuff about this being an automatic non-NCAAT/non-NIT year, I think people just changed their expectations as the season played out vs. what their expectations really were at the start of the year.
Count me as guilty on this. I thought we could be an NIT team, but I honestly had no idea what to expect. Was Kostas going to be the second-coming of his brother? Was Crosby going to improve significantly? As soon as I had the answer to those questions, I changed my expectations.

I do find your RPI numbers interesting. If I understood what you were saying, it appears that we're not as far off as I thought. A few close losses away from being an NIT team, which is what I thought was reasonable if the stars aligned.
Reply With Quote
  #126  
Old 02-23-2018, 07:16 PM
priceg75's Avatar
priceg75 priceg75 is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Miami Twp.
Posts: 3,342
Thanks: 268
Thanked 2,234 Times in 1,038 Posts
priceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
If we beat Hofstra, then lose to Clemson and Auburn, the sos goes from 52 to 39. That is a significant improvement in the sos. UD did a good job with the sos this year, it is too bad that the sos is not this good every year.

You folks kill me with the stuff about this being an automatic non-NCAAT/non-NIT year, I think people just changed their expectations as the season played out vs. what their expectations really were at the start of the year. Nobody thought that we would make the NCAAT in Archie's 3rd, 4th, or 5th year.

I am definitely posting a poll at the start of next season to gauge people's expectations. I wish that I would have done so at the start of this year.
You kill me with this, like nobody was supposed to change their thinking after they actually saw this team play.

X has been a non-entity. Kostas just had his best game by far, after a season where he mostly hasn't played. Svoboda has been a negative stat sheet stuffer. Pierce should have redshirted. And Crosby nearly transferred, and clearly regressed. If just some of those players were decent to good, this is an NIT team. If they all show up, borderline NCAA.

But after actually watching this team, it was pretty clear that they are talent deficient. So we should still expect the NCAAs? I don't get your point at all.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to priceg75 For This Totally Excellent Post:
TXFlyerFan (02-23-2018)
  #127  
Old 02-23-2018, 07:53 PM
longtimefan longtimefan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 9,571
Thanks: 3,383
Thanked 6,618 Times in 3,024 Posts
longtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by priceg75 View Post
X has been a non-entity. Kostas just had his best game by far, after a season where he mostly hasn't played. Svoboda has been a negative stat sheet stuffer. Pierce should have redshirted. And Crosby nearly transferred, and clearly regressed. If just some of those players were decent to good, this is an NIT team. If they all show up, borderline NCAA.
You need to realize that in ud2's mind all those things are AG's fault. If AG had simply waived his magic wand all those guys would have been great.
Reply With Quote
3 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to longtimefan For This Totally Excellent Post:
The Fly (02-23-2018), TXFlyerFan (02-23-2018), UD62 (02-23-2018)
  #128  
Old 02-24-2018, 01:39 AM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,431
Thanks: 6,787
Thanked 6,126 Times in 4,171 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan View Post
You need to realize that in ud2's mind all those things are AG's fault. If AG had simply waived his magic wand all those guys would have been great.
Agree to disagree. You blame the players, I blame Grant.

I do not think this roster got about 100 rpi points worse over the off-season.
Reply With Quote
  #129  
Old 02-24-2018, 01:40 AM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,431
Thanks: 6,787
Thanked 6,126 Times in 4,171 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by priceg75 View Post
You kill me with this, like nobody was supposed to change their thinking after they actually saw this team play.

X has been a non-entity. Kostas just had his best game by far, after a season where he mostly hasn't played. Svoboda has been a negative stat sheet stuffer. Pierce should have redshirted. And Crosby nearly transferred, and clearly regressed. If just some of those players were decent to good, this is an NIT team. If they all show up, borderline NCAA.

But after actually watching this team, it was pretty clear that they are talent deficient. So we should still expect the NCAAs? I don't get your point at all.
I do not think the roster is talent-deficient, plain and simple. I think Grant is the entire problem. Archie would be doing much better with this exact roster.
Reply With Quote
  #130  
Old 02-24-2018, 08:15 AM
CE80 CE80 is offline
General of the Air Force
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 7,778
Thanks: 5,498
Thanked 6,255 Times in 3,097 Posts
CE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
I do not think the roster is talent-deficient, plain and simple. I think Grant is the entire problem. Archie would be doing much better with this exact roster.
Like XW, Archie quit the program. Any suggestion of what he would or would not have accomplished this year is meaningless.
Reply With Quote
  #131  
Old 02-24-2018, 08:25 AM
shocka43's Avatar
shocka43 shocka43 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: It's hot and there is fire
Posts: 9,353
Thanks: 5,412
Thanked 9,809 Times in 4,072 Posts
shocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond reputeshocka43 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
I do not think the roster is talent-deficient, plain and simple. I think Grant is the entire problem. Archie would be doing much better with this exact roster.
That's where you are wrong. Way wrong.
Reply With Quote
4 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to shocka43 For This Totally Excellent Post:
longtimefan (02-24-2018), Monster Man (02-24-2018), SeasonTicketFan (02-24-2018), TXFlyerFan (02-24-2018)
  #132  
Old 02-24-2018, 09:08 AM
T-Bone 84's Avatar
T-Bone 84 T-Bone 84 is offline
General of the Air Force
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Shiloh, OH
Posts: 8,414
Thanks: 2,350
Thanked 4,994 Times in 2,668 Posts
T-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan View Post
Bingo. Operative words: "if all went extremely well." 18-12 would have been a very good record with these players and under the circumstances.
Being the dumb (but not blind) optimist that I am, I think I figured this team to finish the regular season with either 17 or 18 wins, with Mikesell out but everyone else dedicated to the program. Probably a little too optimistic, there, but I didn’t forecast guys quitting on my Alma Mater.
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to T-Bone 84 For This Totally Excellent Post:
BRob2Perryman3 (02-25-2018)
  #133  
Old 02-24-2018, 09:19 AM
T-Bone 84's Avatar
T-Bone 84 T-Bone 84 is offline
General of the Air Force
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Shiloh, OH
Posts: 8,414
Thanks: 2,350
Thanked 4,994 Times in 2,668 Posts
T-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond reputeT-Bone 84 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by CE80 View Post
..,Any suggestion of what he (Archie) would or would not have accomplished this year is meaningless.
Unless you have the ability to change history so that Archie stayed here instead of going to IU (and then change it back), or unless you’re an angel named Clarence, no one “knows” how Archie would have done with this team. Suffice to say, in retrospect, I think anything at or above 20 wins could only have been accomplished by a coach named Wooden.
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
  #134  
Old 02-24-2018, 10:40 AM
NJFlyr71's Avatar
NJFlyr71 NJFlyr71 is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: NJ Beach Livin'
Posts: 3,227
Thanks: 1,484
Thanked 1,912 Times in 1,082 Posts
NJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond repute
All this talk about if this and if that ...... and then arguing amongst yourselves means some of you have been in your basement too long.

Drop your donut and walk away from the keyboard ...
Reply With Quote
  #135  
Old 02-24-2018, 11:08 AM
FlyerBob FlyerBob is offline
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Bluffton, SC
Posts: 981
Thanks: 702
Thanked 820 Times in 331 Posts
FlyerBob has a reputation beyond reputeFlyerBob has a reputation beyond reputeFlyerBob has a reputation beyond reputeFlyerBob has a reputation beyond reputeFlyerBob has a reputation beyond reputeFlyerBob has a reputation beyond reputeFlyerBob has a reputation beyond reputeFlyerBob has a reputation beyond reputeFlyerBob has a reputation beyond reputeFlyerBob has a reputation beyond reputeFlyerBob has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
I do not think the roster is talent-deficient, plain and simple. I think Grant is the entire problem. Archie would be doing much better with this exact roster.
My take is Archie likely would have been able to eek out an extra win or 2. Coach Grant by contrast has shown better at 1. getting a key player with short notice who contributed his first year; 2. clearing out those with a poor work ethic. So in all, I’m good with CAG.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.1

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:30 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertisement System V2.6 By   Branden

     
 
Copyright 1996-2012 UDPride.com. All Rights Reserved.