ESPN: Mike White of LA Tech leading candidate to replace Billy Donavan

[San Diego Flyer]

Can't argue with anything you said. Timing is everything in sports, in bidness, in bed.

C'mon Arch, let's get back to work!!


Actually I don't think he would be off the radar completely, but at least we wouldn't be twitching every time a good job opens up.

[FLYER5]

^ I'll have the same thing he's having, barkeep. ^
edit: Meant to quote Falcon7

[Bucketnight]

Originally Posted by Falcon7 One layup made and then one missed vs OSU, and one more loss this past season and AM is not on the list for any "Big Job". And he's exactly the same coach, gnat's a$$ of just being the little brother of Sean, and maybe being a pretty good coach one day. UD could miss the dance the next few year's and he will be pretty much off the radar.

Yes and if the team falls apart after the 5 game conference losing streak and the dismissal of the 2 knuckleheads last season, there would like be calls for his job on this board.

There are good breaks in life and bad. How we manage the bad breaks and maximize the good breaks goes a long way in defining all of us... Not just our careers... our very character.

To call out a few moments without noting anything that led to them is shortsighted to be kind. Those opportunities that you have highlighted only occurred because of a series of actions and decisions that put the team in the position for them to have a chance to happen.

[Glen Clark]

This probably belongs in the Sam Miller thread, but is there any truth to the rumor that Sam Miller & Archie Miller are related?

___________________
You have got to buck up, man. You cannot drag this negative energy into the tournament!
Walter Sobchak - The Big Lebowski

[jumpin' joe]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark This probably belongs in the Sam Miller thread, but is there any truth to the rumor that Sam Miller & Archie Miller are related? ___________________ You have got to buck up, man. You cannot drag this negative energy into the tournament! Walter Sobchak - The Big Lebowski

I don't have any rumors or gossip on the Florida basketball head coach position so...
Last census estimated over 1,352,000 people named Miller in the US.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark This probably belongs in the Sam Miller thread, but is there any truth to the rumor that Sam Miller & Archie Miller are related? ___________________ You have got to buck up, man. You cannot drag this negative energy into the tournament! Walter Sobchak - The Big Lebowski

Not related to Archie, but to a professor at UD.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark This probably belongs in the Sam Miller thread, but is there any truth to the rumor that Sam Miller & Archie Miller are related?

Yup, If you go back to Adam and Eve.

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Yup, If you go back to Adam and Eve.

Were Adam and Eve only related by marriage, or did they have the same parents?

[The Gem]

This thread is devolving, which is a good thing for once. The less rumors we hear about Archie's whereabouts, and the longer this drags out, the better. If they want Archie as bad as they seem to, then this deal gets done quickly.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by N2663R Were Adam and Eve only related by marriage, or did they have the same parents?

Yes!
And I hear Archie despises the color orange, so that color tie is out

[Medford]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan I spent part of a beautiful Saturday afternoon reading a Florida message board. The overwhelming majority want Archie, but they believe he is making from 350,000 to 750,000. With very few exceptions, they believe 3 mil is out of the question (and 2mil too high): -It would put him on par with the football coach, -No one without a final four on their resume would/should get "Donovan territory" money. -Texas set the bar with Shaka at 1.7mil -It is more than his "more accomplished" brother gets at Arizona, etc. etc. I hope the Florida athletic director is thinking like these fans, because if he is, Archie won't be leaving because of money.

I saw that as well, even had some UD fan correct them that he's more in the $1.6 mil range, and seemingly they choose not to believe him and think USA today has to be correct, that he's making under $500k a season. I think they fail to grasp that UD can, has and will pay its head coach in the $1mil and above range once they've proven their worth (assuming they are hiring an unproven assistant as they've done each of the last 2 times, or a guy moving up from the lower ranks as they did with OP). I don't think they grasp just how important basketball is to UD and the community, how much fan support and interest there is in these parts. Perhaps that works in our favor.

[Swampy Meadows]

Originally Posted by The Gem This thread is devolving, which is a good thing for once. The less rumors we here about Archie's whereabouts, and the longer this drags out, the better. If they want Archie as bad as they seem to, then this deal gets done quickly.

I hear ya. If I log onto the UD Pride MB and see only single digits in regards to new posts, I think to myself "Good..the shiznit hasn't hit the fan."

[Justin]

Well, it looks like Archie is back in Ohio after "visiting a friend" in Florida. Still have my fingers crossed he had a falling out with said friend.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Justin Well, it looks like Archie is back in Ohio after "visiting a friend" in Florida. Still have my fingers crossed he had a falling out with said friend.

Um, where did you hear this? Suspicious timing to have visited a friend in Florida. Gulp.

[Sea Bass]

Edgar Thompson ‏@osgators
Foley: 'I have not talked to one coach.'

[FLYER5]

Oh boy, the shiznit's getting deep now, Swampy.

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Um, where did you hear this? Suspicious timing to have visited a friend in Florida. Gulp.

Can we clarify all of this in Pride vernacular, not a bunch of "texteze."

[NJFlyr71]

Originally Posted by Justin Well, it looks like Archie is back in Ohio after "visiting a friend" in Florida. Still have my fingers crossed he had a falling out with said friend.

Not sure where you got this BUT over the weekend I kept thinking that if there ever was some time to work these kinds of things out it would be when most people are doing something at home rather than being around the office, etc.

Meeting in some discrete place, with no prying eyes.

If you "miss' a day at the office or practice facility on a Monday or a Tuesday, etc. it gets more notice than IF you aren't there on a Sat or Sun and somewhere else!

The quote that they "haven't talked to one coach" is almost always a sign that something is brewing. Just like the quote that the coach is staying cause he likes where he is at ... then bolts in a weeks time.

Course you could read this another way "haven't talked to one coach" , they talked to TWO coaches (Arch and Mack)

[TommyGola]

Just this morning, Foley, their AD, indicated that they had "talked to no one yet." Now, if one has to parse his words, then his words mean nothing, which may in fact be the case. However, I was more specifically relating my comments to the notion that "he (Archie) was visiting a friend in Florida." What is that all about? If it is speculation, then state it accordingly. This is too critical of an issue for Priders to communicate unclearly.

[Justin]

Oh, I am sorry I thought this was common knowledge by now. This is not speculation, he was in Florida last week, not sure how many days, this come directly from athletics. He may have actually been visiting a friend.

Edit: I am in the process of reading through posts in this thread. When I posted my original reply, I only read a few of the last replies. If I thought it was new news I would have stated it in my post. Sorry friends.

[Rita 1]

I do know that Archie and Morgan are friends with Joe and Patty Hidy who are moving to Florida, and I know that Morgan was down there visiting Patty last week per her twitter account.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Edgar Thompson ‏@osgators Foley: 'I have not talked to one coach.'

Which means he's talked to their agents so they can pass the financial packages to their clients for consideration.

SOP.

[Medford]

if his timeline is to be believed, Archie took his daughter to Bills after school on Thursday, so he was only in Florida briefly. he also shows some sort of Ballon launch for a young girl that appears to have medical issues with a good chunk of the team involved on what I think was Thursday evening.

[flyerfanatic86]

Originally Posted by Medford I saw that as well, even had some UD fan correct them that he's more in the $1.6 mil range, and seemingly they choose not to believe him and think USA today has to be correct, that he's making under $500k a season. I think they fail to grasp that UD can, has and will pay its head coach in the $1mil and above range once they've proven their worth (assuming they are hiring an unproven assistant as they've done each of the last 2 times, or a guy moving up from the lower ranks as they did with OP). I don't think they grasp just how important basketball is to UD and the community, how much fan support and interest there is in these parts. Perhaps that works in our favor.

If they had gone to their Elite 8 game against us they'd know. Judging by the crowd they brought, it's understandable why they don't.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Medford if his timeline is to be believed, Archie took his daughter to Bills after school on Thursday, so he was only in Florida briefly. he also shows some sort of Ballon launch for a young girl that appears to have medical issues with a good chunk of the team involved on what I think was Thursday evening.

I hear Archie took off in a 2nd plane from a grassy knoll. The wind was blowing back, and to the left.

Back, and to the left.

[ud2]

Not sure how the UF AD can say that he spoke to no coaches when it is known that Mack was contacted.

You know they didn't just talk about the weather.

[Medford]

The rule with coaches and ADs is never trust what they say when it comes to job searches. Saying the truth (or the hole truth) causes problems from both within and from the fan base. Its always more important to watch what they do, vs what they say. Which is why I no longer get mad or mock a coach/AD who says one thing, then does another, I get the game and more importantly, I get why its played, they really don't have any other way to play, no matter how much they'd like to.

What I like about over the last 2 off seasons, is that his name is almost always at or near the top for any job opening that comes up in a P5 conference, the typical instant media "throw a list at the opening just to create an easy article". As the media start getting more inside sources to talk with them off the record, they get a real sense of who the candidates are, and who the school is looking at. Over the last 2 seasons, at least so far, who knows what happens with this Florida search, is that Archie makes the initial list, but his name never gets mentioned beyond that. That tells me that Archie is mostly turning down any offers or initial inquiries, at least for the middle of the road P5 coaching gigs. Florida and Texas may have been different than what we saw from Tennessee, Bama, etc.. where Archie's name never got much mention beyond the initial stages from fans/media types.

[The Gem]

They've spoken to No One?!?!? OMG they are going to hire a Faceless Man.

[Sea Bass]

Originally Posted by ud2 Not sure how the UF AD can say that he spoke to no coaches when it is known that Mack was contacted.

maybe it was not Foley but a representative of Foley. So technically his statement is not a lie but is also attempt to hide what is actually happening.

[Dogdaddy]

There was a quote on Twitter attributed to Foley that they hope to have a basketball coach hired some time in June "there is some time here". This could go on for a while and maybe that is a good thing. If Archie was the only guy they wanted to consider it shouldn't take until June to either lock him up or move on if not interested.

[Sea Bass]

Foley wants to drag it out IMO so that it will give him more leverage with the current recruiting class.

[Chris R]

The Florida brass can set whatever timetable they want, but if they think others are simply going to capitulate to that and put their own lives and athletic programs on hold while that happens, they are kidding themselves. Pizz or get off the pot. No coach is going to screw around for a month with his own program and continue to recruit and run youth basketball camps and put all his sweat into a program while "waiting for a phone call."

Other coaches have lives and families and responsibilities and most importantly 19yr old kids and recruits they need to answer to on a daily basis. Archie Miller, nor anyone else is gonna walk around for a month saying "I dont know" to recruits and fans when asked "you gonna be here next year?"

In fact, a lot of coaches will hear Foley's timetable and tell him to go fly a kite. Obviously he thinks his time is a lot more valuable than everyone else's time. At least those most closely connected to being a candidate and being asked to leave a great coaching situation. For the low-major 5th option coach making $275,000 a year -- he'll wait forever. I dont think guys like Mack, Miller, Marshall etc are going to ever placate to such nonsense however.

[IndianaFlyer]

I would believe them taking time is good, for a couple of different reasons. First, it could mean they are wanting to consider a few different options. And secondly, doesn't the first summer session start mid May? If a recruit enrolls and physically begins classes, would they not have to then be willing to sit a year because at that point they would be considered a transfer? I would think that would make the recruits decision to move on a little more difficult. Not really sure, if you know, jump in.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by IndianaFlyer And secondly, doesn't the first summer session start mid May?

Unless things have recently changed, recruits (and many regular students accepted on probation) don't start taking classes until 2nd summer session.

[steve]

Originally Posted by Chris R The Florida brass can set whatever timetable they want, but if they think others are simply going to capitulate to that and put their own lives and athletic programs on hold while that happens, they are kidding themselves. Pizz or get off the pot. No coach is going to screw around for a month with his own program and continue to recruit and run youth basketball camps and put all his sweat into a program while "waiting for a phone call." Other coaches have lives and families and responsibilities and most importantly 19yr old kids and recruits they need to answer to on a daily basis. Archie Miller, nor anyone else is gonna walk around for a month saying "I dont know" to recruits and fans when asked "you gonna be here next year?" In fact, a lot of coaches will hear Foley's timetable and tell him to go fly a kite. Obviously he thinks his time is a lot more valuable than everyone else's time. At least those most closely connected to being a candidate and being asked to leave a great coaching situation. For the low-major 5th option coach making $275,000 a year -- he'll wait forever. I dont think guys like Mack, Miller, Marshall etc are going to ever placate to such nonsense however.

I'm sure one coach will if the process drags out...

[NJFlyr71]

Not sure they left anyone off the list of potential contenders:

From this article= http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...vans_pote.html

Florida Athletic Director Jeremy Foley said in a press conference on Monday that two of Donovan's current assistants, former Alabama head coach Anthony Grant and former Arkansas head coach John Pelphrey, would be considered for the position.

Here are some other names thrown out as potential candidates by various outlets:

Along with Miller and Grant, FOX Sports mentioned Miami's Jim Larranga, Baylor's Bryce Drew and Duke assistant Jeff Capel as potential candidates in the search.

Along with Miller, AlligatorArmy.com also suggested Xavier's Chris Mack and three coaches mentioned during Alabama's coaching search: Minnesota's Richard Pitino, Louisiana Tech's Michael White and Murray State's Jeff Prohm.

Along with many of those same names, Athlon tossed the names of Pittsburgh's Jamie Dixon, Utah's Larry Krystkowiak, Rhode Island's Dan Hurley, Northern Iowa's Ben Jacobson, Stephen F. Austin's Brad Underwood and Wyoming's Larry Shyatt into the mix.

How many D1 HC are there say >325. So they haven't started looking yet in earnest! Yeh right

They have about 310 HC to go through yet!

Oh! Waiting to June may result in this> A gator in a bad place with nowhere to go!

Mr Allie Gator trapped under a car.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[CE80]

I have done some clicking around and I don't think Florida is backing up the Brinks truck to pay the new bball and to get him out of his current gig. I don't see Florida as that "dream job" that is too good to pass up unless the $$ is too good. I don't see Archie leaving UD now for this job. I see either one of the current assistants or another up an comer taking the job.

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by rollo Unless things have recently changed, recruits (and many regular students accepted on probation) don't start taking classes until 2nd summer session.

Signing up for classes and actually attending them is two different animals, UNC comes to mind

[John C.]

Archie needs to make a statement that he is not interested or he will not get anyone to commit to UD.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by John C. Archie needs to make a statement that he is not interested or he will not get anyone to commit to UD.

Maybe. Cuonzo Martin actually got a kid to verbally commit to Tennessee on a Wednesday and then the very next day the kid decommitted and pledged to CAL when Cuonzo accepted that job on Thursday. As much as fans don't like to think of it that way, kids are often committing to the coach. What school or part of the country that school is even in, are sometimes down the list of considerations. Take that for whatever it's worth, but at least Dayton (still) has a guy that you'd think players would want to play for.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Dogdaddy There was a quote on Twitter attributed to Foley that they hope to have a basketball coach hired some time in June "there is some time here". This could go on for a while and maybe that is a good thing. If Archie was the only guy they wanted to consider it shouldn't take until June to either lock him up or move on if not interested.

Foley is hallucinating if he thinks he has until June to nail his #1 target and not cause some disruption to Florida's program and his desired candidate's program. Dragging it out like that has everyone on edge, not the least of which is his own assistants. Let's not forget that Foley has never had to replace a basketball coach at U of F. The clamoring from alumni will be louder each week. The potential for Florida transfers out looms large also. They had a bad season and now this.

[Bucketnight]

Originally Posted by John C. Archie needs to make a statement that he is not interested or he will not get anyone to commit to UD.

I would think the DDN would be hounding Archie morning, noon and night for a quote on the position.

[Swampy Meadows]

The best way for Foley to avoid disrupting anyone's program is to hire from within--AG or John Pelphrey
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[anthonycharles]

Originally Posted by Chris R The Florida brass can set whatever timetable they want, but if they think others are simply going to capitulate to that and put their own lives and athletic programs on hold while that happens, they are kidding themselves. Pizz or get off the pot. No coach is going to screw around for a month with his own program and continue to recruit and run youth basketball camps and put all his sweat into a program while "waiting for a phone call." Other coaches have lives and families and responsibilities and most importantly 19yr old kids and recruits they need to answer to on a daily basis. Archie Miller, nor anyone else is gonna walk around for a month saying "I dont know" to recruits and fans when asked "you gonna be here next year?" In fact, a lot of coaches will hear Foley's timetable and tell him to go fly a kite. Obviously he thinks his time is a lot more valuable than everyone else's time. At least those most closely connected to being a candidate and being asked to leave a great coaching situation. For the low-major 5th option coach making $275,000 a year -- he'll wait forever. I dont think guys like Mack, Miller, Marshall etc are going to ever placate to such nonsense however.

I completely agree with all of this and is why I believe Pelphrey or Grant will be their next coach. Probably Pelphrey. Florida doesn't want to pay for their next basketball coach.

[Markxf]

http://florida.247sports.com/Article...ption-37114247

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Each day that passes makes it less likely it is Archie.
The Gator board I have been spending too much time reading, has moved on from speculating about Archie to naming dark horse candidates, and coaches they don't want.
Some of threads indicate that the fan support is not what it should be for a program as successful as Donovan's, specifically mentioned weeknight games having an attendance problem (with the community, not the students). And in listening to part of Donovan's farewell press conference, I do not recall him mentioning the fans or the community.

I admittedly look at the world through red and blue glasses, and I just don't see Archie walking out at the 11th hour on UD, who has given him everything he has asked for (and then some), and more importantly, on the players who in his words accomplished this year "what will never be done again".

[frisco flyer]

Archie seems to have been a top candidate at one point. Then, one of two things happened. (1) Florida took one look at the buy out and decided it was too rich for their taste. If this is the case, you have to give TW all the credit for putting together a good contract extension. (2) Archie sent a signal to UF and let them know he is not interested. If this is the case, you have to give Archie credit for sticking to his principles and having his actions be consistent with his words.

In either case, I never thought that AM to UF was a likely scenario, but I now think it is very unlikely.

[1903 Flyer]

Haven't seen this link posted. One-sided article. Warning--not so complimentary of Dayton.

https://www.todaysu.com/mcbb/sec-bas...st-at-florida/

[jack72]

Archie is not going anywhere this year.

[frisco flyer]

A more balanced perspective from the same site:
https://www.todaysu.com/mcbb/sec-bas...s-for-florida/

[301Lowes]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer A more balanced perspective from the same site: https://www.todaysu.com/mcbb/sec-bas...s-for-florida/

Yes, but the article is written by a 12 yr old. Take a look at the bio picture for the journalist on the article.

[Windy City Flyer]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer A Florida took one look at the buy out and decided it was too rich for their taste. If this is the case, you have to give TW all the credit for putting together a good contract extension.

This article is an interesting read the the Football Buyout of Jim McElwain who replaced the fired Will Muschamp.

"To settle the dispute over McElwain's $7.5 million buyout, Florida agreed to pay $3 million over six years to Colorado State and also agreed to a future game -- with a $2 million guarantee -- in Gainesville sometime between the 2017 and 2020 seasons, sources told ESPN's Brett McMurphy.

In addition, McElwain has agreed to pay $2 million to Colorado State over time, sources told McMurphy.

The $5 million being paid from Florida to Colorado State marks the largest school-to-school buyout ever."

Perhaps the budget won't allow landing a AM, Marshall, Pitino. The football search seem to drag on for a while.

[Avid Flyer]

The more this drags out the more likely their next coach will be an interim assistant. Coaches worthy of their salt are busy with building their current program and not sitting and waiting for a call from Florida.

[Chris R]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer A more balanced perspective from the same site: https://www.todaysu.com/mcbb/sec-bas...s-for-florida/

"Brought Dayton from the ashes..."

Umm. Archie has done a great job, but we were not in ashes when he was hired. He had to deal with transfers and decommitments but every new coaching hire deals with that collateral damage in their first couple seasons. We have not been in ashes -- nevermind remotely close to burning embers -- since the early 1990s. Ask Maryland, lllinois, UConn, Kentucky, Marquette, Ole Miss, Seton Hall, Villanova, New Mexico, Alabama, Auburn, North Carolina, Purdue, Texas A&M, SMU, Creighton, Cincinnati, Louisville, San Diego State, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech...

[FSUFlyer]

Originally Posted by Chris R "Brought Dayton from the ashes..." Umm. Archie has done a great job, but we were not in ashes when he was hired. He had to deal with transfers and decommitments but every new coaching hire deals with that collateral damage in their first couple seasons. We have not been in ashes -- nevermind remotely close to burning embers -- since the early 1990s. Ask Maryland, lllinois, UConn, Kentucky, Marquette, Ole Miss, Seton Hall, Villanova, New Mexico, Alabama, Auburn, North Carolina, Purdue, Texas A&M, SMU, Creighton, Cincinnati, Louisville, San Diego State, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech...

Syracuse, Stanford, Ohio State, West Virginia...

[ud2]

Where are you folks getting all this confidence from? Until they name a replacement coach, I'd say anything is possible.

[CE80]

Mack is an interesting candidate for the Florida job. I don't think he is getting the same kind of love ($$) from X as Archie is getting from UD. I wonder if they think his hometown connections allows them to pay less or they think they can continue their success by hiring one of the assistants, as they have done in the past. They may be one of those schools that just says they will not pay the high price for a basketball coach. Mack may be just the guy to take the Florida job with a $2M+/- salary.

[ud2]

Donovan is supporting both Grant and Pelphrey as his replacement.

I remember that JP was publicly angry about being fired at Arkansas, he felt that it was an unfair firing, he felt that he was making progress at Arkansas, he felt that he wasn't given enough time, only four years.

BD has hinted that Arkansas did not give JP enough support.

JP is one of UK's 4 Unforgettables, the players that stuck with Pitino and UK during the hard early years of the Pitino/UK rebuild. His #34 jersey was retired by UK.

Grant was chosen as BD's replacement in 2007, when BD temporarily took the Magic job.

http://www.onlygators.com/05/04/2015...ake-step-back/


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6217344

[FLYER5]

I'll say it again, feel free to ignore Archie's not going to UF, nor any other SEC school, imo. [UK job not open soon] It is all speculation by the ones that aren't very close to Archie like me, but I think he holds out for the ACC or B1G. Some coaches leave loose ends. Most coaches have frayed corners. I see Arch as being a perfectionist. But perfection through hard work and diligence. If UK was coached from an in-the-trench guy, like from where Archie relates to his players, then they run the table and win the Nat'l C'ship this season, imo. Not to take anything from Cal's feat in getting them through an undefeated season but I would take Archie in the tourney any day. Trench mates. Anyone see Calipari as that guy? Maybe it's all youth and Archie will settle down and mellow with time. But right now Archie coaches from the seat of his pants with a fervor that is readily received by his players. When you have the intelligence and character he has, fueled with a nasty penchant for winning as Archie does, you can transfer that to the best jobs in the country. Any job could be his if he wants it.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by ud2 Donovan is supporting both Grant and Pelphrey as his replacement. I remember that JP was publicly angry about being fired at Arkansas, he felt that it was an unfair firing, he felt that he was making progress at Arkansas, he felt that he wasn't given enough time, only four years. BD has hinted that Arkansas did not give JP enough support. JP is one of UK's 4 Unforgettables, the players that stuck with Pitino and UK during the hard early years of the Pitino/UK rebuild. His #34 jersey was retired by UK. Grant was chosen as BD's replacement in 2007, when BD temporarily took the Magic job. http://www.onlygators.com/05/04/2015...ake-step-back/ http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6217344

This is interesting stuff from someone outside looking in. I can't believe that Donovan didn't have some inkling that OKC would be looking for a new coach. He brought in Grant when he already had Pelphrey on staff. What did he think was going to happen? Did he know the AD wouldn't go for Pelphrey? If one of the assistant's gets hired, does the other leave? Join Donovan in OKC? Did he leave 2 solid assistant's thinking that another HC would keep one of them on staff? It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

[N2663R]

As this process drags on, at least past this weekend, if Florida hires a head coach from another program, it's got to put that program in a real bind. It will most likely be mid to late May before they can go out and hire their replacement. And, if your AD's short list of candidates are all current head coaches, good luck. Of all the potential Florida coaches listed, I'm not sure any of their current programs would attract the attention of another "quality" head coach at this late date, including us and Zavier. You then have the task of finding the next AM. Thoughts?

[Medford]

Originally Posted by CE80 Mack is an interesting candidate for the Florida job. I don't think he is getting the same kind of love ($$) from X as Archie is getting from UD. I wonder if they think his hometown connections allows them to pay less or they think they can continue their success by hiring one of the assistants, as they have done in the past. They may be one of those schools that just says they will not pay the high price for a basketball coach. Mack may be just the guy to take the Florida job with a $2M+/- salary.

I have no idea how much Mack is getting paid, let alone compared to Archie or anywhere else, nor do I know if Xavier thinks they can get a "hometown" discount, or if they pay him what they think fair market value is, or even if they pay him exactly how much Mack asks for. Won't pretend to be an outsider, but it was only a year or two ago that Xavier was going thru financial troubles. As Brew laid it out, the president made some very poor financial decisions, and as IIRC, even went to the point of cancelling some construction project after millions had been poured into it. I believe there was reductions in staff at the time is how it started to leak out publicly.

I'll assume (and I think its a safe assumption) that the basketball program makes money for Xavier as a whole, I'll also assume that it is used to prop up the entire athletic department at Xavier, similar to UD where its the only money maker (I've been told that football is considered mostly neutral since the football players bring money into the school by paying tuition at UD, fwiw). What I don't know, is Xavier using men's basketball to also help prop up the school expenditures. Could they be holding back money from Mack or money that would otherwise be used for athletics or basketball specifically to help fund the University? Could that be a reason for Mack to consider other options, when it would seem that its a place he'd be happy at for life?

For all I know, perhaps UD takes money out of Men's basketball to help in other areas of athletics, I have no idea where all the money goes, but I do recall X having financial issues just a few years ago, which very well could drain the money that Men's basketball makes for them. I've always understood that football as most D1 schools is a financial drain to the university but for a handful of schools (though the recent large bumps in TV money could easily have changed that equation for P5 programs). I'd imagine Florida is one of those handfuls and their basketball program shouldn't be hurting for finances compared to its peers.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Atlantic 10]

Wall Street Journal had Dayton 23 and Florida at 38 in value of the basketball program. Dayton at 87 mil and Florida at 50 plus mil

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Medford I have no idea how much Mack is getting paid, let alone compared to Archie or anywhere else, nor do I know if Xavier thinks they can get a "hometown" discount, or if they pay him what they think fair market value is, or even if they pay him exactly how much Mack asks for. Won't pretend to be an outsider, but it was only a year or two ago that Xavier was going thru financial troubles. As Brew laid it out, the president made some very poor financial decisions, and as IIRC, even went to the point of cancelling some construction project after millions had been poured into it. I believe there was reductions in staff at the time is how it started to leak out publicly. I'll assume (and I think its a safe assumption) that the basketball program makes money for Xavier as a whole, I'll also assume that it is used to prop up the entire athletic department at Xavier, similar to UD where its the only money maker (I've been told that football is considered mostly neutral since the football players bring money into the school by paying tuition at UD, fwiw). What I don't know, is Xavier using men's basketball to also help prop up the school expenditures. Could they be holding back money from Mack or money that would otherwise be used for athletics or basketball specifically to help fund the University? Could that be a reason for Mack to consider other options, when it would seem that its a place he'd be happy at for life? For all I know, perhaps UD takes money out of Men's basketball to help in other areas of athletics, I have no idea where all the money goes, but I do recall X having financial issues just a few years ago, which very well could drain the money that Men's basketball makes for them. I've always understood that football as most D1 schools is a financial drain to the university but for a handful of schools (though the recent large bumps in TV money could easily have changed that equation for P5 programs). I'd imagine Florida is one of those handfuls and their basketball program shouldn't be hurting for finances compared to its peers.

I wasn't thinking about X being in any type of financial bind. I was thinking more about the Buffalo situation when Hurley left. He was getting $500k or so. The reality was that no NY state school is going to pay a sports coach "the going rate" to keep him, even if it could seemingly be justified. It just would not play well. Not an issue in Ohio with paying the football coach the kind of money he is being paid. I don't know what the perspective is at X. Like I said, they have been able to go to an assistant coach and not have to pay big $s when their coaches left.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Medford]

Originally Posted by Atlantic 10 Wall Street Journal had Dayton 23 and Florida at 38 in value of the basketball program. Dayton at 87 mil and Florida at 50 plus mil

The big difference, UD uses their basketball program to fund (partial or in total) the rest of their athletic department, while I assume Florida makes a good chunk of money with their football program and may not have to tap into the value generated by their basketball program as much as UD does. Of course I assume Florida offers more sports, so as a total package, who knows where things shake out, at any rate, its not an apples to apples comparison.

[ud2]

Florida can drag this out because there are no other big jobs open, they have no competition for coaches right now, they can afford to take their time.

[San Diego Flyer]

You notice how when there is an opening, Gonzaga's Mark Few is never mentioned, even though he is one of the more successful coaches in the country. I assume he has not only a very good contract, but also that he has a pact with his AD. And that's in Spokane for cripes sake.

I hope that's Dayton and Archie Miller.

My source tells me there have been no meetings with coaches, even though Miller still gets the popular alumni vote by a wide margin. Foley is holding his cards tightly, wrapped up like a deuce. Not letting anyone have a clue as to his direction.

[NJFlyr71]

Commented in SB Nation a few hours ago

.... don't know that we'll wake up on Friday morning with a press conference scheduled for 10 a.m. to announce a new hire. I do expect that Foley has his list and is now in the process of having his plausible deniability people reach out to the plausible deniability people of those above coaches and maybe more. With weeks of research already done, the process is going to be more about gauging interest and feeling out contract terms than identifying good candidates.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2015/5...ors-basketball

This of course contradicts another article earlier this week where they discussed it MAY BE JUNE.

I do believe this article is correct in the scenario of 'our' plausible deniability people have been talking to 'their' plausible deniability people is/has been taking place ...

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 Florida can drag this out because there are no other big jobs open, they have no competition for coaches right now, they can afford to take their time.

That is true but if works both ways. If the coach they're after has a lot invested where he is, and a lot of loyalty to the program where he is currently coaching, Florida might stand a better chance making their best offer swiftly. The later it gets, it could weigh against a coach leaving, not wanting to set the program back.

[NJFlyr71]

Don't you all long for the good olde days when we were discussing the new Logo, the V and the color combo's?

...... kick back with a cold one and just rant and rave ..... bout how they screwed up a good thing OR took us into the 21st Century either way

Them good o' days son are long gone!

[Gazoo]

To me, bringing in Grant a month ago only to name him the HC at this point does not make sense. It almost guarantees you won't keep your recruits. None of them are likely close to him--unless there's a key recruit or 2 that came down to Alabama and UF. Pelfrey makes the most sense for a late-stage hire as the HC.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Gazoo To me, bringing in Grant a month ago only to name him the HC at this point does not make sense. It almost guarantees you won't keep your recruits. None of them are likely close to him--unless there's a key recruit or 2 that came down to Alabama and UF. Pelfrey makes the most sense for a late-stage hire as the HC.

I hear the logic but Grant's resume is a lot stronger than Pelphry's. Several years of success at VCU and he wasn't terrible at Alabama. Pelphrey was pretty terrible at Arkansas.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer That is true but if works both ways. If the coach they're after has a lot invested where he is, and a lot of loyalty to the program where he is currently coaching, Florida might stand a better chance making their best offer swiftly. The later it gets, it could weigh against a coach leaving, not wanting to set the program back.

Yes. There is a fine line between being systematic and thorough vs being downright cavalier about the search.

[steve]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer I hear the logic but Grant's resume is a lot stronger than Pelphry's. Several years of success at VCU and he wasn't terrible at Alabama. Pelphrey was pretty terrible at Arkansas.

Absolutely makes sense to have Grant as a possible incumbent...........I would bet the past few years around this time the NBA comes sniffing around to Florida only this time that phone call was returned........Perfect fit for AG as either a top assistant (UF is better for it) or a possible interim HC should they NOT get the guy they want at this rather late stage (UF still is better for it since AG is a rather familiar figure)..And for all we know AG may just be THAT guy......at least for a year..

[SC_Flyer]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Wrapped up like a deuce.

Don't think I have ever heard this phrase used anywhere. Made me laugh.

I think the lyrics are "revved up like a deuce", but my whole life it has been "wrapped up like a douche". You combined those into a new catch phrase and for that, I thank you.

Wikipedia says that song was actually written by Springsteen. Learned something new today.

[Atlantic 10]

Manfred Mann song Blinded by the light

[Viperstick]

FWIW...

Mick Cronin making $1.25M/yr
Mark Few making $1.06M/yr
Jim Ferry (Duquesne?!) making $600K/yr
Chris Mack making $485K/yr
Dan Monson (former Zags coach) making $445K/yr
Couple of other A-10 coaches making $275-$330K/yr

No mention of Archie

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/art...tball-coaches/

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[XFactor]

I have no idea what Mack is getting paid at Xavier, but the school isn't footing the bill on his salary anymore. I'm sure he's making a nice living though.

Donation endows Xavier head coach position

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Atlantic 10 Manfred Mann song Blinded by the light

Written and originally recorded by Springsteen and covered by Manfred Mann.

But was that want SDF was even referring to?

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Atlantic 10 Manfred Mann song Blinded by the light

Winner winner chicken dinner!!

"Wrapped up like a deuce" means a poker hand where deuces are wild and you have it covered tightly so another player can't see it. That's the reference in the song.

I should add that the above version was explained by a Golden Oldies radio jockey who interviewed the original songwriter. Several other versions followed. However the only one that made any sense was the one above.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Winner winner chicken dinner!! "Wrapped up like a deuce" means a poker hand where deuces are wild and you have it covered tightly so another player can't see it. That's the reference in the song.

Manfred Mann's Earth Band's recording of the song features several changed lyrics. The most prominent change is in the chorus, where Springsteen's "cut loose like a deuce" is replaced with "revved up like a deuce. This is commonly misheard as "wrapped up like a douche" (the V sound in "revved" is almost unpronounced, and the S sound in "deuce" comes across as "SH" due to a significant lisp). Springsteen himself has joked about the controversy, claiming that it was not until Manfred Mann rewrote the song to be about a feminine hygiene product that it became popular

[ud2]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer My source tells me there have been no meetings with coaches, even though Miller still gets the popular alumni vote by a wide margin.

I heard that a coach already interviewed over a week ago.

[sheg]

If I'm Tim Wabler, and I'm looking at the future of the UD Men's basketball program, I'm thinking about the 2015-16 roster:

4 freshmen
1 redshirt freshman (hopefully)
1 sophomore
3 juniors
1 redshirt junior
1 senior
1 valuable walkon senior
+ other walkons

As many as eight, but more realistically five, could theoretically leave with a coaching change. I think 2-4 is realistic. THAT roster could reasonably compete in 2015-16. But then look what happens the following year:

? Freshmen
? 1-3 sophs
? 1 junior
? 4 seniors

and that coach will likely have a weak freshmen class that year, having not had the lead time to recruit the class of '16 thoroughly.

THAT scares me. Losing the coach THIS off-season could be an unmitigated disaster. I don't want him to go anywhere. I want him to stay as long as they'll have him. But if his dream job comes calling next April, and he leaves then, after all those freshmen are more established and likely to stay put (and in an off-season when only 1-2 spots will be open), more power to him.

Therefore, if I'm Wabler, and I'm negotiating Archie's most recent extension, I tell him I want an atmospheric buyout amount for this off-season only, lowering down to a normal amount next year. In exchange, he gets a few more bucks or a signing bonus.

Hopefully, this is or becomes closer to Archie's dream job and he sticks for a long time. I'm just realistic about it - the history of thousands of coaches in hundreds of programs tells us he's likely to leave, fairly soon.

	Tim Wabler TIM WABLER Current Director of Athletics for the University of Dayton. Took over for Ted Kissell on Jan. 1, 2009, and brings considerable experience and leadership in athletics. Assistant AD for many years and a former standout baseball player for the Flyers, Wabler has Dayton roots and understands the unique paradigm that makes Flyer athletics and the city of Dayton a tremendous relationship.

[Sea Bass]

saw where one of the top UF recruits asked for a release. That may start to accelerate the search.

[The Fly]

Originally Posted by CE80 Manfred Mann's Earth Band's recording of the song features several changed lyrics. The most prominent change is in the chorus, where Springsteen's "cut loose like a deuce" is replaced with "revved up like a deuce. This is commonly misheard as "wrapped up like a douche" (the V sound in "revved" is almost unpronounced, and the S sound in "deuce" comes across as "SH" due to a significant lisp). Springsteen himself has joked about the controversy, claiming that it was not until Manfred Mann rewrote the song to be about a feminine hygiene product that it became popular

Manfred Mann made a habit of covering and -- in my opinion -- destroying Springsteen tunes. "Spirit in the Night" and "For You" were the worst; "Blinded by the Light" was almost palatable.

Almost.

[Atlantic 10]

Do wa diddy was t bad in 64' part of the British invasion. I believe we have got off topic

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Atlantic 10 Do wa diddy was t bad in 64' part of the British invasion. I believe we have got off topic

Does it matter? There hasn't been anything meaningful posted in a while.

[jack72]

I lived in Arkansas when Pelphry was the head coach. He was terrible. The fans disliked him and the press disliked him. He was not a good recruiter or floor coach. Successful coaches speak like leaders. Pelphry does not. Grant has great attributes, but is questionable with what he did at Alabama with some very good talent.

[Sea Bass]

Originally Posted by jack72 I lived in Arkansas when Pelphry was the head coach. He was terrible. The fans disliked him and the press disliked him. He was not a good recruiter or floor coach. Successful coaches speak like leaders. Pelphry does not. Grant has great attributes, but is questionable with what he did at Alabama with some very good talent.

IMO Grant was afflicted at UofA by the same disease as BG. He recruited guys that were better athletes than basketball players. They seemed like a set of mismatched parts. It is not about recruiting the top rated guy as much as building a team.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by jack72 He was not a good recruiter...

FWIW, my link above said that the last recruiting class Pelphrey brought into Arkansas was ranked #7 in the nation...maybe it is not a surprise that Arkansas took off after Pelphrey was fired, since such a great recruiting class was brought in.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 FWIW, my link above said that the last recruiting class Pelphrey brought into Arkansas was ranked #7 in the nation...maybe it is not a surprise that Arkansas took off after Pelphrey was fired, since such a great recruiting class was brought in.

Recruiting was not Pelphrey's problem. With the help of one his top assistants, Tom Ostrom, he got some guys. Just couldn't do anything with 'em.

[UD_GH32]

It appears that Foley is fully committed to making a decision in June. That is absurd, I understand that the AD at one school definitely does not care about the AD at another school, but this seems like it's bound to lead to some bad blood between the AD at the school that Florida hires from.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Winner winner chicken dinner!! "Wrapped up like a deuce" means a poker hand where deuces are wild and you have it covered tightly so another player can't see it. That's the reference in the song. I should add that the above version was explained by a Golden Oldies radio jockey who interviewed the original songwriter. Several other versions followed. However the only one that made any sense was the one above.

I always thought it was "revved up like a deuce" with a reference to a Ford Thunderbird, which I was told was nicknamed the "Deuce".

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by UD_GH32 It appears that Foley is fully committed to making a decision in June. That is absurd, I understand that the AD at one school definitely does not care about the AD at another school, but this seems like it's bound to lead to some bad blood between the AD at the school that Florida hires from.

Wow, that goes back to what I posted earlier. If you lose your head coach in June, you are screwed. You then need to find a new head coach in July!!!

Please let it be Mack, please let it be Mack, please let it be Mack . . . .

[ud2]

Originally Posted by UD_GH32 It appears that Foley is fully committed to making a decision in June. That is absurd, I understand that the AD at one school definitely does not care about the AD at another school, but this seems like it's bound to lead to some bad blood between the AD at the school that Florida hires from.

I agree...late decommittments from recruits and/or players transferring out...might have to have an interim hc for a year...whichever school that potentially loses their existing hc to Florida is not going to be happy.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass saw where one of the top UF recruits asked for a release. That may start to accelerate the search.

There are several that underperformed so badly vs coach's expectations that UF would not stop them from leaving.

[ud86]

Report: Miller Replaces Donovan .....

http://bleacherreport.com/college-basketball




What a scary headline!!!

Luckily, I read the rest of the title and saw it was about Sean Miller coaching the USA U19 team.

:-)

[The Gem]

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/bl...nt.html?page=2

A little blurb from the folks at the DBJ.

[ruechalgrin]

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/spor...rida/70905768/

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...ovan-departure

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by XFactor I have no idea what Mack is getting paid at Xavier, but the school isn't footing the bill on his salary anymore. I'm sure he's making a nice living though. Donation endows Xavier head coach position

X is in a lose-lose situation. If Mack stays, Mack is their coach. If he leaves, they have to find a new coach.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.