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Relax AF, all he said was the high price seats sell out, which is true, and that it would be worth to him to have tickets at twice the price. As far as I can tell he made no reference to lifestyle, resources, or life priorities.
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Originally Posted by UD62
Relax AF, all he said was the high price seats sell out, which is true, and that it would be worth to him to have tickets at twice the price. As far as I can tell he made no reference to lifestyle, resources, or life priorities.
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It's inferred, read between the lines
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"Inferred" is a really interesting word. It relies on the reader interpreting what isn't stated. By definition 1. 'to conclude by reasoning from premises or evidence" 2. "to guess or surmise" Very subjective process. Case in point you interpreted his post one way and saw inferred meaning. I really didn't see that at all. doesn't mean you are wrong in your analysis, also doesn't mean your right. Like I said, very subjective.
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Originally Posted by UD62
"Inferred" is a really interesting word. It relies on the reader interpreting what isn't stated. By definition 1. 'to conclude by reasoning from premises or evidence" 2. "to guess or surmise" Very subjective process. Case in point you interpreted his post one way and saw inferred meaning. I really didn't see that at all. doesn't mean you are wrong in your analysis, also doesn't mean your right. Like I said, very subjective.
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I know definitions and don't need you to give a lecture. He stated in several post that he would/could pay and that if people watched on Tv they were missing the game experience. That is a huge jump in assumption that if you don't attend the game like him then you miss the game experience. I know people who attend a few games a year, ones of interest to them but don't but buy nor intend to buy season tickets. One does not have to attend every game to get the experience. apparently you are one of those who don't have other more important issues in life and can go to all the games, that is great but I nor any other flyer fan is not less of a fan because they don't buy season tickets.
Speaking of inferred you are interpreting your own version of what I said and meant. Didn't realize I would have to pass your test, get over yourself. You don't know me and what I meant. It was a quick replay, in the future I will run everything past you first to see it that is what I really meant to say.
I suppose you will attack the poster who said they would not sell their kidney for season tickets as well.
Just like I didn't mean flyerhoops nor udpride+ but someone interpreted it they way they wanted. Never mentioned either website and as a member of both don't know any elitist on either one. Just leave priders posts alone and stop trying to analyzing everything, just as you did for the poster you defended he knew what he said and can speak for himself.
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
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Come on Earl you're now sounding a little smug, glad you are in a position to pay double but you don't have to rub it in others faces who can't.
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You should relax. I was respectful. You've crossed the line. If you read through, I stated my seat license if $450 per seat. I am 53 years old. At this point in life I can afford another $450 times 2. No big deal. Look, we are all Flyer fans. There is no need get personal.
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
While I grew up on the poor side of life I lived around old money families and believe me they never gloat about their wealth, in fact if you didn't know them you'd have no idea of their wealth. New money as they call it is where the braggadocio come from.
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I stated that I would pay an extra $900 for 2 seats and you state this? Read what you typed. How do you go from $900 for a 53 year man to that?
And as an aside, maybe you never heard it from the old money people because they inherited and never had to work for it. Perhaps many new money people grew up like you and I.
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Originally Posted by UD_Earl
I stated that I would pay an extra $900 for 2 seats and you state this? Read what you typed. How do you go from $900 for a 53 year man to that?
And as an aside, maybe you never heard it from the old money people because they inherited and never had to work for it. Perhaps many new money people grew up like you and I.
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Nope you posted over and over your willingness to pay extra and rubbed in faces of those who didn't they wouldn't put the money out for the UD experience.
For the record I attend every home and away game I can when in the Dayton area and when games are in my project areas. UD mens home games are harder to get into at least for a decent seat and not in 2nd row from top (too many steps). But more often than not away games have extra seats available.
As for old money, didn't think you'd understand (Have to live and work around them) they don't have to impress anyone, new money people feel they do.
And actually I can relate to that. When I was going through a rough period financially I seemed to feel a need to have the latest equipment so when my friends would come over they were impressed. When got back to my financial level I passed over those thing that I thought I needed before. And now at my age none of that really matters.
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You are off the rails again AF, seen it before and will probably see it again. I'm done. Have a good one.
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This is a ridiculous argument. $900 isn't indicative of old or new money. It may be readily available for some and not for others, but it's not a wealth indicator. Please retire the commentary on this item. There are so many more interesting things to be discussing right now than whether PSL costs are indicative of wealth.
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All I know is that all this talk about money is making me jealous. I retired at 56 (to early) and I am now 70 so I would appreciate any donations to support my lifestyle. Give early and often!
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Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan
This is a ridiculous argument. $900 isn't indicative of old or new money. It may be readily available for some and not for others, but it's not a wealth indicator. Please retire the commentary on this item. There are so many more interesting things to be discussing right now than whether PSL costs are indicative of wealth.
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But here you are keeping going. Don't like a post or thread then ignore it. Quite simple really. BTW the old vs new money had nothing to do with 900 so pay attention
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
You don't get it do you it has nothing to do with priority and everything to do with resources.
I feel that it was and is a cheap shot against the rest of flyers fans when he keeps stating over and over again he would be willing to pay what ever the asking price is.
And I wasn't referring to flyerhoops or UDPride not sure where he got that impression as I belong to both, just saying that not everyone is in a position to pay whatever the asking price is and to gloat in the face of those who can't is over the top. My reference to another board had nothing to do with either boards but possibly their is a board of the super elite where they can relate their wealth to others.
As stated above a person is not going to sell their body parts just to buy UD tickets. For those who can and are willing, great but don't make the rest of us fell like we aren't true loyal flyer fans.
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I assumed it was flyerhoops since it is "elitist" in the fact you have to pay. Didn't consider pride+ since most users here who are on + also post on free board. You're point was people spend money on UD when it's a want, not a need.
Second point is some people will go to the moon to spend their cash on UD. That is their #1 priority in life and maybe it's not yours. The university needs people like that. However, if enough people don't spend then UD can't continue to raise prices. But to ridicule someone because they will pay whatever it takes, within their budget, is not appropriate. I'm not rich but understand there are people doing better than me in an economic sense and do things I can't.
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As ticket prices/seat licenses increase, the opportunity to split season tickets with friends will increase. Talk to your lower arena friends...good chance to move down, although it may mean attending 1/2 the games.
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Now on to something more positive and uplifting: To compete at the highest levels the Arena renovation is necessary. It is approaching 50 years old. The choice has always been to renovate or build new. I believe the choice was made to renovate because of two factors: One cost (it will be much cheaper) and two because we all love the Arena, it has become Iconic. It is Iconic, but dated.
I have travelled to most of the NCAA games over the last 4 years. There are two things that strike me about the venues. First, there are new and very nice. All of the amenities you would want or need. I always say when I am there that wow, it would be cool to play here all of the time. But what I also have notices is that the venues in general are all the same. There are indistinguishable from each other.
That is why I am so excited that the university has chosen to renovate. A renovated UD Arena will still be iconic, but new. It will not feel like all of the others. UD Arena is special, and I cannot wait to here exactly what final decisions have been made. What the time line is. I hope they install web cams that allow us to watch the progress. These are great times. Enjoy it.
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Originally Posted by TX Flyer
I assumed it was flyerhoops since it is "elitist" in the fact you have to pay. Didn't consider pride+ since most users here who are on + also post on free board. You're point was people spend money on UD when it's a want, not a need.
Second point is some people will go to the moon to spend their cash on UD. That is their #1 priority in life and maybe it's not yours. The university needs people like that. However, if enough people don't spend then UD can't continue to raise prices. But to ridicule someone because they will pay whatever it takes, within their budget, is not appropriate. I'm not rich but understand there are people doing better than me in an economic sense and do things I can't.
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Didn't ridicule him for that reason, but rather his multi post stating it and the claim that some just didn't have the same love or priority for UD. I can tell you I will match my love passion for an thing UD in all sports with anyone. Just because one has the love duty to elderly family takes top priority.
I am self employed and together with my partner do quite well financially but as said in an earlier post contributing to needs of family members need stretches that income to the max. If I didn't care or feel the responsibility to those I love then I could do as I like. Of course not living in Dayton eliminates the games I can and do attend.
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Indiana spent a bunch of money renovating Assembly Hall, rather than building a new arena...the cost of both options might have been comparable.
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When I came back from service in 68 I had a physical and never went to a doctor again nor had any illinesses till I turned 70. Cancer is a ***** as Rollo will tell you. It took me out of commission for months due to treatment. My point is that while many of you are still much younger one does not know when their health or the health of loved ones will change how and where you prioritize your spending.
I took his mullltiple post stating he could and would pay whatever the asking price was as a slam on those of us who were not in an equal position. If I mistook his multi post (got it the first time he posted) then I apologize as it seemed a slam on those who were not able or willing to pay that price.
The statement regarding having higher priorities got in my crawl since no one knows the others position in regards to priorities and the financial position and responsibilities.
I don't just support and follow mens basketball but all sports and both men and women. I make an annual contribution when they phone for $$$, albeit not what some may do but what I can do without taking anything away from my families needs. Had my family died off in their 60's I'd be sitting pretty right now, but most are in their late 80's to 90's and still living. I try to give them the quality and dignity of life as best I can and pray like hell I don't become a burden too.
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Originally Posted by UD_Earl
Now on to something more positive and uplifting: To compete at the highest levels the Arena renovation is necessary. It is approaching 50 years old. The choice has always been to renovate or build new. I believe the choice was made to renovate because of two factors: One cost (it will be much cheaper) and two because we all love the Arena, it has become Iconic. It is Iconic, but dated.
I have travelled to most of the NCAA games over the last 4 years. There are two things that strike me about the venues. First, there are new and very nice. All of the amenities you would want or need. I always say when I am there that wow, it would be cool to play here all of the time. But what I also have notices is that the venues in general are all the same. There are indistinguishable from each other.
That is why I am so excited that the university has chosen to renovate. A renovated UD Arena will still be iconic, but new. It will not feel like all of the others. UD Arena is special, and I cannot wait to here exactly what final decisions have been made. What the time line is. I hope they install web cams that allow us to watch the progress. These are great times. Enjoy it.
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UD Earl I am not against renovating the arena at all as I am sure it needs it at least in the infrastructure. My quandary is conflicting since I would like to see seats added up into the 17500 area as on one end I feel we could fill it with the right conference and non con opponents; then there is the part where I worried (past tense here as its been addressed) that the sweatervests would be moving on one way or another. Its inevitable we don't live forever.
Heres hoping what ever the U decides to do whether it be renovating or new or a new conference it has the support of flyer fans of all ages and is successful.....and that I may live long enough to see and experience it, as I do attend games when in the area.
Like I said above, if I misread your posts and/or its intents I apologize, we are all flyers
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Originally Posted by rollo
As ticket prices/seat licenses increase, the opportunity to split season tickets with friends will increase. Talk to your lower arena friends...good chance to move down, although it may mean attending 1/2 the games.
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We did that for a few years but those who bought the tickets we weren't going to use didn't want to pay their share of the license fee, just the tickets for the game. At that rate it was a loss that fell upon us and didn't feel it was right, so grudgingly we gave up our lower bowl seats we held from 1969 onward. Fortunately the past couple years most mens bball games are on national tv or at least where I can sling it. The other sports are generally streamed and for the few that are not I pony up the 99 fee to A-10 streaming rights.
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I do not post often but I want to thank UD_Earl for his insight.
I acknowledge that even a doubling of seat licenses would be a value compared to other top 25 basketball programs. My initial concerns were less that I would be priced out of attendance but that many of the people around me would. I want to make sure that the arena is filled with rabid fans including multi-generational fans and those who were around at the beginning of the arena.
I was concerned that if we lose these fans they may get replaced by corporations who will bring casual fans that would detract from the Arena. UD _Earl has diminished my concerns. To those that are afraid they will be priced out, let’s hold our outrage to till we learn more. It sounds like their will be a place for all of us.
The updated Arena sounds great and I can’t wait to be a part of it.
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Originally Posted by UD_Earl
I have travelled to most of the NCAA games over the last 4 years. There are two things that strike me about the venues. First, there are new and very nice. All of the amenities you would want or need. I always say when I am there that wow, it would be cool to play here all of the time. But what I also have notices is that the venues in general are all the same. There are indistinguishable from each other.
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This is my main reason for supporting a renovation over a new arena. There are a lot of very nice arenas out there with better sight lines and amenities, but most of these are not on "top basketball arena" lists. UD Arena is on these lists and will continue to be on these lists with a renovation. And there is no way UD would build a brand new arena without it being a multi-purpose arena rather than a basketball only arena.
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My 2 cents...
I love my Flyers...between myself and my family there are 12 seats that we have access to in a variety of ways...some are subbed out (tickets that I have had for over a decade but are in a large corporations name), some used by family, some owned by family but subbed out...
Anywho...that's not the point..the point is that we are all loyal fans and will find a way to figure out the cost...I have Bengals tickets that I still own but sub out the whole season because I don't see myself getting value. UD knows that people will pay. And they will.
My only beef, is that while I agree there should be some shared expense passed on to all...the majority of the arena renovation cost will be to incorporate suites...that 90% of us either won't pay for or can't pay for and most likely will never step foot in. I don't like to subsidize others endeavors that I will see no benefit from. Concessions and access will benefit all fans. The arena gets suites...then pass on that cost entirely to the suite users over time...not to the general ticket holder.
Renovations are needed for certain reasons. My hope is that the increases are reasonable and that existing season ticket holders aren't negatively impacted. One of my family members have great seats that are in the back row of 200 at almost center court...if their seats are impacted negatively as ticket holders since the Arena opened, that would be a raw deal when over time they could have moved way down and possibly avoided any interference with a remodel.
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My only beef, is that while I agree there should be some shared expense passed on to all...the majority of the arena renovation cost will be to incorporate suites...that 90% of us either won't pay for or can't pay for and most likely will never step foot in. I don't like to subsidize others endeavors that I will see no benefit from. Concessions and access will benefit all fans. The arena gets suites...then pass on that cost entirely to the suite users over time...not to the general ticket holder.
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Sullivan is sensitive to this issue and probably feels much the same. Whatever cost the suites/loge seats are, they will be paid for by the owners (or future owners) -- and those payments may even go beyond just that and further fund the general Arena reno.
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Originally Posted by Chris R
Sullivan is sensitive to this issue and probably feels much the same. Whatever cost the suites/loge seats are, they will be paid for by the owners (or future owners) -- and those payments may even go beyond just that and further fund the general Arena reno.
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I do not post often but I want to thank UD_Earl for his insight.
I acknowledge that even a doubling of seat licenses would be a value compared to other top 25 basketball programs. My initial concerns were less that I would be priced out of attendance but that many of the people around me would. I want to make sure that the arena is filled with rabid fans including multi-generational fans and those who were around at the beginning of the arena.
I was concerned that if we lose these fans they may get replaced by corporations who will bring casual fans that would detract from the Arena. UD _Earl has diminished my concerns. To those that are afraid they will be priced out, let’s hold our outrage to till we learn more. It sounds like their will be a place for all of us.
The updated Arena sounds great and I can’t wait to be a part of it.
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We are not a top 25 program.
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Originally Posted by Chris R
Sullivan is sensitive to this issue and probably feels much the same. Whatever cost the suites/loge seats are, they will be paid for by the owners (or future owners) -- and those payments may even go beyond just that and further fund the general Arena reno.
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That was kind of what I was hearing, but wasn't too sure about it. They have been really receptive, and I would imagine that this conversation would not be overlooked.
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Can't we just have Clay Mathile pay for the renovation. He can spare some of his 3.8 Billion.
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Shocka43 did you see my message regarding your Father I think we have some connections?
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Clay was on the board of trustees about 15+ years ago. I think he got into a bit of trouble for making a car loan to the father of a recruit? Anyone else remember this???
So, let me ask everyone this - would you be willing to change the name of UD Arena to The Clay Mathile Arena if he stroked a check for the entire renovation?
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Oh Chris....I wish I could believe that.
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Believe it or not, UD does value the opinions of the regular joes as much as the big guys.
Posts above indicate "we aren't a top 25 program"....and with that UD takes what people have to say a little more than a perennial top 25 program.
There are certain things that we all have commented on that we haven't been pleased with, many of which were under the former reign...there are some good things and people in place to oversee this.
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Originally Posted by N2663R
Clay was on the board of trustees about 15+ years ago. I think he got into a bit of trouble for making a car loan to the father of a recruit? Anyone else remember this???
So, let me ask everyone this - would you be willing to change the name of UD Arena to The Clay Mathile Arena if he stroked a check for the entire renovation?
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It involved Brooks Hall from what I remember.
And yes I would be perfectly happy if they called it UD Clay Mathile Arena if he paid for everything.
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Originally Posted by C-time
And yes I would be perfectly happy if they called it UD Clay Mathile Arena if he paid for everything.
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No, not " UD Clay Mathile Arena," THE Clay Mathile Arena?
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Originally Posted by N2663R
No, not " UD Clay Mathile Arena," THE Clay Mathile Arena?
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I'm in favor of whatever gets the place renovated.
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03-23-2017, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by udfanatic
After flow issues we need a new sound system. The current sound has no bass and sounds terrible. It's hard on your ears and hard to get pumped without the bass.
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
Because, you know, it's all about that bass. 'Bout that bass. No treble!
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Originally Posted by shocka43
Believe it or not, UD does value the opinions of the regular joes as much as the big guys.
Posts above indicate "we aren't a top 25 program"....and with that UD takes what people have to say a little more than a perennial top 25 program.
There are certain things that we all have commented on that we haven't been pleased with, many of which were under the former reign...there are some good things and people in place to oversee this.
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I have been to a couple of Dr Spina's strategic visioning sessions and came away very impressed. He faced several questions about not only the Fairgrounds purchase, but the Arena and athletics in general. I believe there will be more transparency with the fan base as the arena project moves forward than it would have been under Curran. Just my opinion.
What resonated most with me is Dr Spina emphasizing on making the University of Dayton a presence on the NATIONAL stage. Taking nothing away from the job DC did during his tenure and the boost in enrollment, endowments, China Institute, Flyer games broadcast in Mandarin, and the lasting impact it will have on the university, the perception of some is that recognition nationally took a hit.
And yeah, let's leave Clay Mathile out of it. He cozied up to Brooks Hall's dad, Chuck, during Brooks' recruitment...and vice versa.
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Originally Posted by Radar
I have been to a couple of Dr Spina's strategic visioning sessions and came away very impressed. He faced several questions about not only the Fairgrounds purchase, but the Arena and athletics in general. I believe there will be more transparency with the fan base as the arena project moves forward than it would have been under Curran. Just my opinion.
What resonated most with me is Dr Spina emphasizing on making the University of Dayton a presence on the NATIONAL stage.
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He and Neil have been impressive.
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03-24-2017, 11:43 AM
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Curran's tenure
Originally Posted by Radar
I have been to a couple of Dr Spina's strategic visioning sessions and came away very impressed. He faced several questions about not only the Fairgrounds purchase, but the Arena and athletics in general. I believe there will be more transparency with the fan base as the arena project moves forward than it would have been under Curran. Just my opinion.
What resonated most with me is Dr Spina emphasizing on making the University of Dayton a presence on the NATIONAL stage. Taking nothing away from the job DC did during his tenure and the boost in enrollment, endowments, China Institute, Flyer games broadcast in Mandarin, and the lasting impact it will have on the university, the perception of some is that recognition nationally took a hit.
And yeah, let's leave Clay Mathile out of it. He cozied up to Brooks Hall's dad, Chuck, during Brooks' recruitment...and vice versa.
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When Dan Curran arrived at UD the place was falling apart....and no one seemed to care. Run down tennis courts in the heart of campus? The transformation (and expansion) of UD's physical plant during Curran's tenure has been nothing less than remarkable.
Spina starts from an entirely different position than Curran...and is well positioned to concentrate on academics, national recognition, etc. UD has a long way to go in those areas....and coming from Prineton and Syracuse Spina is well position to lead us to and through the next phase.
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