Would you rather...

StonemillFlyer · #1 03-09-2014, 12:06 AM

Would you rather have UD in the First 4 Game, or be in the NCAA Tourney of 64.
Hear me out. I actually would rather have us in the First 4. National exposure, all eyes on us. Granted, the goal is to advance as far as possible, but to have the national eye on us with UD Arena going crazy would be AWESOMSE!

Buster Goode · #2 03-09-2014, 12:12 AM

Good poll. Interesting to see the results. I'm sure locals would like to have the luxury of seeing them at UD Arena, but I'd rather get to the second rd for starters.

ruechalgrin · #3 03-09-2014, 12:17 AM

First, I rather be in whatever seed, but if I had a choice, always the higher seed!

FlyingArrow · #4 03-09-2014, 12:44 AM

I'd rather win whatever the seed is. Losing in the first 4 would be the worst worst worst possible end to a season. Especially if it's versus Xavier, which if we're in the first 4 would probably be our opponent... just so that the 'home court' advantage isn't as great. They'd get plenty of fans to the arena, too.

The desire for one win is also why I'd rather get the 8/9 seed than the 12 seed. The 12 seed might make it easier to get to the sweet 16, but it makes it harder to get to the round of 32.

Tony T 71 · #5 03-09-2014, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow

I'd rather win whatever the seed is. Losing in the first 4 would be the worst worst worst possible end to a season. Especially if it's versus Xavier, which if we're in the first 4 would probably be our opponent... just so that the 'home court' advantage isn't as great. They'd get plenty of fans to the arena, too.

The desire for one win is also why I'd rather get the 8/9 seed than the 12 seed. The 12 seed might make it easier to get to the sweet 16, but it makes it harder to get to the round of 32.

Not getting in is the worst case scenario! We are probably 2 wins away. Especially being the sixth team from a non bcs conference.

Buster Goode · #6 03-09-2014, 01:08 AM

BCS? Are we talking football?

If we play Xavier in the first four, we wouldn't lose. In that match up, we'd be favored by 5

springborofan · #7 03-09-2014, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Tony T 71

Not getting in is the worst case scenario! We are probably 2 wins away. Especially being the sixth team from a non bcs conference.

Tony...tell me the teams that you believe are in front of UD right now that make you believe UD needs 2 more wins?

Smitty10 · #8 03-09-2014, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by springborofan

Tony...tell me the teams that you believe are in front of UD right now that make you believe UD needs 2 more wins?

I think Tony has a point. It all depends. I certainly don't expect 6 to get in from the A-10. However, does the committee look at the conference standings or the individual games more. Because UMass and GW it could be argued do not deserve to go in ahead of the Flyers based on the teams they had to play twice and head to head games.

longtimefan · #9 03-09-2014, 12:54 PM

The A-10 has 6 deserving teams (assuming we win one more game). The committee says it doesn't pay any attention to how many teams from any conference get in. We'll see if that is true. If we don't get 6 it will be because we are the A-10 and the committee has screwed a mid-major - again.

Flyer Al · #10 03-09-2014, 04:33 PM

Remember when UD won the A-10 tournament and went to the tourney? Oh yeah, where was the tournament played that year? Oh yeah, UD Arena. I don't know about you but I got really tired of hearing that the only reason why UD won was because they played at home. I wouldn't want to give anyone a reason to belittle anything UD might accomplish in the tournament by saying that they got to play a "home" tournament game. Might also get some people's noses bent out of shape and use it as a battering ram to get the First Four moved out of town.

Smitty10 · #11 03-09-2014, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Flyer Al

Remember when UD won the A-10 tournament and went to the tourney? Oh yeah, where was the tournament played that year? Oh yeah, UD Arena. I don't know about you but I got really tired of hearing that the only reason why UD won was because they played at home. I wouldn't want to give anyone a reason to belittle anything UD might accomplish in the tournament by saying that they got to play a "home" tournament game. Might also get some people's noses bent out of shape and use it as a battering ram to get the First Four moved out of town.

Personally it's a no-brainer for me. In any tournament you are best to take the shortest path to the championship even if you don't get to the championship. Winning a play-in game at home only to lose in the first round is worse than just losing the first round. Being a non-conference winner in a play-in game just puts to many question marks as to whether you deserve to be in the tourny. I'd rather when fans across the nation start screaming about who got the shaft and who doesn't deserve to get in, that the Flyers never be part of that conversation.

Avid Flyer · #12 03-09-2014, 06:36 PM

I agree with Archie when he said playing in the first four round at UD would not give his team the real NCAA experience. Besides it would have a different look to the floor, different fans in the stands etc and would not look like a home game. Archie wants to take a charter to an NCAA destination and let his team live the NCAA experience.

Of course wining in the first four and you'll be flying to an NCAA destination....but against a number one seed.

The Gem · #13 03-09-2014, 06:38 PM

A home game in the first four would be exciting, especially if they matched us up with X, but I would rather just make the field of 64. When the season started, I really didn't expect UD to even have a shot at the NCAA and was figuring it would be another NIT year so I will be happy either way.
As for the committee not paying attention to conference affiliation, then this is a year they can put their money where their mouth is on that, because I do think all six teams have a good enough profile.

The Gem · #14 03-09-2014, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer

I agree with Archie when he said playing in the first four round at UD would not give his team the real NCAA experience. Besides it would have a different look to the floor, different fans in the stands etc and would not look like a home game. Archie wants to take a charter to an NCAA destination and let his team live the NCAA experience.

Of course wining in the first four and you'll be flying to an NCAA destination....but against a number one seed.

Wouldn't we be playing for the last nine seed and go on and play an eight? Also I would argue that coming to UD Arena is part of the experience if that is where they put you because otherwise you would be having the NIT experience since you would presumably not have made a 64 team field.

Smitty10 · #15 03-09-2014, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer

I agree with Archie when he said playing in the first four round at UD would not give his team the real NCAA experience. Besides it would have a different look to the floor, different fans in the stands etc and would not look like a home game. Archie wants to take a charter to an NCAA destination and let his team live the NCAA experience.

Of course wining in the first four and you'll be flying to an NCAA destination....but against a number one seed.

Flyers would not be playing a number one seed if they win a 1st 4 game. They would have to be a 16 seed for that to happen and it won't.

UD62 · #16 03-09-2014, 07:05 PM

Assuming we would be a 12 seed if we won we would play the 5 seed. but we could also be an 11 and play the 6seed

longtimefan · #17 03-09-2014, 07:21 PM

The First Four at-large teams could be anywhere from 11 seeds to 14 seeds. Last year there were two 11's and two 13's. That doesn't seem to make sense but that's the way it was. The year before there were two 12's and two 14's. Again doesn't seem to make sense, but this is the selection committee we're talking about. In 2011 there were two 11's and two 12's. Now that makes more sense. The winner of the 11 game would play a 6, the winner of the 12 game would play a 5, etc.

Smitty10 · #18 03-09-2014, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by longtimefan

The First Four at-large teams could be anywhere from 11 seeds to 14 seeds. Last year there were two 11's and two 13's. That doesn't seem to make sense but that's the way it was. The year before there were two 12's and two 14's. Again doesn't seem to make sense, but this is the selection committee we're talking about. In 2011 there were two 11's and two 12's. Now that makes more sense. The winner of the 11 game would play a 6, the winner of the 12 game would play a 5, etc.

It would only make sense if the teams in between the seedings were automatic bids. But I do believe that they've admitted moving seedings around for strategic purposes like keeping 2 teams from the same conference playing each other too soon.

longtimefan · #19 03-09-2014, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Smitty10

It would only make sense if the teams in between the seedings were automatic bids. But I do believe that they've admitted moving seedings around for strategic purposes like keeping 2 teams from the same conference playing each other too soon.

I thought the former, but Cal and Oregon were both 12's last year when the First Four had two 11's and two 13's, so who knows what they are doing. I guess it could be the latter, or maybe the committee was just confused.

Smitty10 · #20 03-09-2014, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by longtimefan

I thought the former, but Cal and Oregon were both 12's last year when the First Four had two 11's and two 13's, so who knows what they are doing. I guess it could be the latter, or maybe the committee was just confused.

I guess the way to figure if it was the latter, but put those 11s into the 13 and see if the a team or 2 from their own conference were 5 seeds. Also, move the 13 to 11 and see if conference foes were 7 seeds.

FlyingArrow · #21 03-09-2014, 07:46 PM

Probably strategic reasons. IIRC, the teams all get ranked, but then anybody could be moved up or down a seed to make sure that teams from the same conference don't face each other too soon or other reasons. The last 4 at-larges should get stuck in the first four. They may not all have the same seeds. In fact, the 3rd could be a 12 seed followed by 4 conference winners followed by a 14 seed. Something has to move to get those two onto the same seed line.

Crunk Juice · #22 03-09-2014, 07:56 PM

National Exposure would be limited by playing in the first four. I don't think most people pay too much attention to the first four.

I want to at least get to the round of 32. Playing in the first four means we have to win 2 games instead of 1 to get there.

DallasFlyer · #23 03-09-2014, 08:07 PM

Even from an exposure standpoint, I am not sure that you'd get more with play-in game. For the casusal fan and even non-fan who is looking at their bracket, they're not even looking at any schools that are sharing a line with another school. For most, the tourney still starts at 64. I think any exposure you'd gain if you could win in a play-in game is probably a wash in comparison to the higher seed, and it applies more pressure somewhat. If you lose at home in that round, its perceived as a huge choke vs going up against a team you're not supposed to beat.

Piqua Flyer '66 · #24 03-10-2014, 06:55 AM

With a WSU win Tuesday how about Raiders-UD First Four game?!

Swampy Meadows · #25 03-10-2014, 07:02 AM

Tim Wabler told me that "Archie wants to play in Russia" and he didn't mean Russia, Ohio either.

Figgie123 · #26 03-10-2014, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66

With a WSU win Tuesday how about Raiders-UD First Four game?!

First off, I don't think that would stop people begging for this game.

Secondly, if Wright State wins on Tuesday, they get an automatic bid, and therefore, won't play in a First Four game. (Unless they are a bottom 4 team, which they aren't but, they'd play another bottom 4 team, not an at-large team.)

Medford · #27 03-10-2014, 08:52 AM

I've seen several places that currently have WSU as the autobid winner (based mostly on being the highest seed remaning in the Horizon, but considering they get that game at home, it would be an upset if they were to lose Tuesday evening) on the 16 seed line, but I've seen none that have them in the playin game. I don't know if they'd get a 16, 15 or 14 seed, but generally speaking the Horizon is significantly higher than the conferences that send teams to the first four as 16 seeds. I'd be shocked if WSU were to play in the first 4 as a 16 seed. They may be a 16 seed, but they won't be one of the 4 worst teams in the field.

flyerfanatic86 · #28 03-10-2014, 09:34 AM

I'd be good with the First Four if we could guarantee a win. I think a win garners extra tournament shares. Since that's not going to happen, give me the bye.