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Agree with you on RI having a good nucleus next year who will not struggle like UD but Hurley won't be doing anything for RI next year as he'll be coaching somewhere else...
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Originally Posted by shocka43
Painful season doesn't equal a painful rebuild as mentioned above.
Those that don't think the future is bright with some of the young talent are blinded by their frustrations over this season.
Painful rebuilds are multiple seasons of not even close to being .500 teams...as frustrating as this season is/was, it is far from what other schools would consider a "painful rebuild".
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OK, but the team I've watched is completely out of synch and appears to have no plan. Better look like something competent next year or he'll be on the hot seat quickly.
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Originally Posted by JimBo
You mean the "great" coach whose current team lost to the bottom seeded team in the Big10 tourney last night, giving up a 16 point lead?
I think some here give AM way too much credit as being some kind of coaching God. He is a good coach who had a lot of things go right during his run at UD. That class that graduated last season was the centerpiece of this program during that NCAA tourney run. Throw in a few quality players he inherited from the previous coach, a few transfers like Sanford and Sibert, and some lucky draws in the first few tourney runs, you had the perfect storm. He knew he had a rebuild if he decided to stay, so he thought it was in his best interests to move on.
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Coaching God? Probably not. But you could make a reasonable argument that he's a great coach, if for no other reason than his results at UD were in fact GREAT.
A lot of things fell into place for Archie? Like kicking two players (dumb and dumber) off the team and leaving him with 6 or 7 scholarship players on a team that was a half away from returning to the Sweet 16? Or losing arguably his best player (Pierre) and senior leader for half the season due to a questionable suspension? Or having a 7-foot stud and NBA prospect drop dead after setting a single season record for blocks in his first year of eligibility?
Yeah, sounds like a lot things (perfect storm of events) really gave Archie some lucky circumstances.
Lucky on transfers? I guess he didn't have much to do with evaluating and accepting the transfers?
Lucky NCAA draws? We beat a 6-seed (tOSU), a 3-seed (Cuse), then Stanford and hung with 1-seed Florida. We lost to Cuse in 1st round when they went to Final Four. We lost to Wichita St. in what was widely considered an extremely raw draw. The only lucky draw we got was geography (played a game at home in the play in game) the year we got screwed on our seed. You could make a argument that we had more bad luck in the NCAA than good luck. EVERYTHING we got in the NCAA's was earned and legit. Don't even throw a whisper of discounting any of those runs/wins.
He figured he had a rebuild so he might as well jump ship? C'mon MAN!!! He left for the Indiana job, not Iowa or Illinois. Him taking the Indiana job had ZERO to do with a rebuild at Dayton. Heck, he took a rebuild job at Indiana. He would have taken the Indiana job even if he had Scoochie and Pollard coming back for another year.
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Originally Posted by Canonball
OK, but the team I've watched is completely out of synch and appears to have no plan. Better look like something competent next year or he'll be on the hot seat quickly.
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I don't disagree. If there isn't an upward trend next season, then there will be a warming of the seat. Hit December of his 3rd season and it is the same...the seat is really hot.
The team is out of sync and appears rudderless simply because of the players on the floor. If Trey, Crutcher, and Cunningham don't all show up...it is ugly Throw an inconsistent senior in the mix that isn't a leader on the floor and you have another hurdle. The rest are even players that rarely are going to get you a ton of positive upside, but have the potential to be a minus from one game to the next.
We are going up against teams that are upperclass laden with experienced returners. People keep forgetting that this team lost 80% of its returning minutes. That is HUGE. Trey is the only one who has embraced a role as a leader.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER
He would have taken the Indiana job even if he had Scoochie and Pollard coming back for another year.
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That is an interesting point. He reportedly promised those guys he would stay through their senior year. I wonder if he would have kept that promise if the Indiana and Ohio State jobs had become vacant a year earlier. Probably not. I think he was a great coach, but you have to admit there was some luck involved in that Elite 8 run. Both Ohio State and Syracuse had last second shots to beat us, and neither one went in. If Craft's shot had fallen Archie might still be at UD (or at a bigger job than UD but a lesser job than Indiana).
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
but you have to admit there was some luck involved in that Elite 8 run. Both Ohio State and Syracuse had last second shots to beat us, and neither one went in. If Craft's shot had fallen Archie might still be at UD (or at a bigger job than UD but a lesser job than Indiana).
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If this is the criteria for determining and defining "luck", then you'd be hard pressed to say that ANY team's run(s) in ANY year doesn't include "luck". Or vice versa, that a team's one possession loss in an early round game was nothing more than "bad luck".
Coach K is so lucky to be the all time wins leader with 1095 wins. At least 150 of those came with team's final shots not going in. He's won 5 NCAA tournaments, but that one in 2010 isn't legit because Gordon Heyward's final shot banked out.
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I am hopeful to hear about changes coming, recruits, newbies, et. al. But after the Rhody meltdown and I'm not ashamed to say i'm into the tape the game first and if it has any redeeming value, watch it later. We have been in this position as a team before and we will work ourselves out of it. Don't jump yet, and stay away from sharp objects.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER
If this is the criteria for determining and defining "luck", then you'd be hard pressed to say that ANY team's run(s) in ANY year doesn't include "luck". Or vice versa, that a team's one possession loss in an early round game was nothing more than "bad luck".
Coach K is so lucky to be the all time wins leader with 1095 wins. At least 150 of those came with team's final shots not going in. He's won 5 NCAA tournaments, but that one in 2010 isn't legit because Gordon Heyward's final shot banked out.
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Luck was also having Neil Sullivan scheduling, Neil is top 5 scheduler out of 351 D1 schools. Reason Dayton has #2 OOC SOS according to RPI, but #114 OOC SOS according to kenpom, sagarin, etc. Neil is literally top 5 in manipulating RPI.
Without Neil, Archie does not get into NCAA in 2014 or 2015. So goes first 4 years without NCAA appearance.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER
Coaching God? Probably not. But you could make a reasonable argument that he's a great coach, if for no other reason than his results at UD were in fact GREAT.
A lot of things fell into place for Archie? Like kicking two players (dumb and dumber) off the team and leaving him with 6 or 7 scholarship players on a team that was a half away from returning to the Sweet 16? Or losing arguably his best player (Pierre) and senior leader for half the season due to a questionable suspension? Or having a 7-foot stud and NBA prospect drop dead after setting a single season record for blocks in his first year of eligibility?
Yeah, sounds like a lot things (perfect storm of events) really gave Archie some lucky circumstances.
Lucky on transfers? I guess he didn't have much to do with evaluating and accepting the transfers?
Lucky NCAA draws? We beat a 6-seed (tOSU), a 3-seed (Cuse), then Stanford and hung with 1-seed Florida. We lost to Cuse in 1st round when they went to Final Four. We lost to Wichita St. in what was widely considered an extremely raw draw. The only lucky draw we got was geography (played a game at home in the play in game) the year we got screwed on our seed. You could make a argument that we had more bad luck in the NCAA than good luck. EVERYTHING we got in the NCAA's was earned and legit. Don't even throw a whisper of discounting any of those runs/wins.
He figured he had a rebuild so he might as well jump ship? C'mon MAN!!! He left for the Indiana job, not Iowa or Illinois. Him taking the Indiana job had ZERO to do with a rebuild at Dayton. Heck, he took a rebuild job at Indiana. He would have taken the Indiana job even if he had Scoochie and Pollard coming back for another year.
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Originally Posted by TA111
Nice post. This reminds me of 2014 when we had lost 4 straight in January and some on here were calling for AM to be fired. It’s amazing the knee jerk reaction by some.
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Originally Posted by shocka43
Painful season doesn't equal a painful rebuild as mentioned above.
Those that don't think the future is bright with some of the young talent are blinded by their frustrations over this season.
Painful rebuilds are multiple seasons of not even close to being .500 teams...as frustrating as this season is/was, it is far from what other schools would consider a "painful rebuild".
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Why do you insist on being reasoned, informed and level-headed with all your posts?
We're supposed to be shredding CAG, wishing for Arthur Mueller,tNBE and shredding each other.
C'mon Shocka
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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin
Real key this year is recruiting. Record in 2018 less important.
2018 is tough with late start.
2019 is key recruiting year.
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I agree with this. Likely more scholarships coming open so there's a chance to bring more guys in than initially anticipated.
Spring recruiting is a seller's market but AG found at least one gem in Crutcher last year.
19 you've had real time to ID guys, evaluate and most importantly build a relationship.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
I'll take a run at it.
We learned who we don't want back to build a real Dayton team.
We learned how far the bar is set for us to reach the NCAA's.
We learned that some of our present players can't rise up to adversity.
We learned that you can't overcome the loss of outstanding recruits and players numbered 5, and pretend that won't have an impact.
We learned that injuries can and did impact a short roster.
We learned some as*h***s will whine even if we win the national championship.
I learned that a half dozen close losses would have been FOOLS GOLD if they were wins.
We have a long way to go. I was wrong with my 17 win projection last summer. But I watched every minute of action that I could to assess just what could we do about it and how long would it take. It hurt to watch this ending, but help is on the way.
Just what was your projection last summer Gazoo?
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Didn't say "I learned." I win.
I don't believe I had a projection, I always say I want to wait to see the team at least at the R&B game. It's this weird quirk I have about wanting information before making a decision.
Originally Posted by shocka43
I don't disagree. If there isn't an upward trend next season, then there will be a warming of the seat. Hit December of his 3rd season and it is the same...the seat is really hot.
The team is out of sync and appears rudderless simply because of the players on the floor. If Trey, Crutcher, and Cunningham don't all show up...it is ugly Throw an inconsistent senior in the mix that isn't a leader on the floor and you have another hurdle. The rest are even players that rarely are going to get you a ton of positive upside, but have the potential to be a minus from one game to the next.
We are going up against teams that are upperclass laden with experienced returners. People keep forgetting that this team lost 80% of its returning minutes. That is HUGE. Trey is the only one who has embraced a role as a leader.
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You people should all really listen to shocka more. Seriously.
The tipping point in a team atmosphere is razor thin. To fire a coach or berate a coach for the difference in 5 wins in a season is usually -- though not always -- foolish.
I really think the talent on this team is better than its record. But not enough to matter. As long as AG is executing on a plan (that is privy only to his coaches and his boss, not you and me) that's all that matters. Setting the groundwork for discipline, system, relationships, etc. takes time. If you're not ready to win in year 1, it really doesn't matter if you win 17 games or 12 games.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER
If this is the criteria for determining and defining "luck", then you'd be hard pressed to say that ANY team's run(s) in ANY year doesn't include "luck". Or vice versa, that a team's one possession loss in an early round game was nothing more than "bad luck".
Coach K is so lucky to be the all time wins leader with 1095 wins. At least 150 of those came with team's final shots not going in. He's won 5 NCAA tournaments, but that one in 2010 isn't legit because Gordon Heyward's final shot banked out.
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You are putting words in my mouth. I didn't say it was "nothing more" than luck/bad luck. I also didn't say such a win "isn't legit." I simply said there was some luck involved. I don't know how anybody can say there wasn't. And, yes, Duke was lucky Heyward's shot didn't go in. That doesn't make the win not legitimate. You can be good and lucky at the same time. Even Tiger, in his most dominating years, when asked what you need to do to win a major said something like, "You have to be playing well and you need some luck." When a guy gets a hole-in-one (I've had three) there is skill involved but there is also some luck.
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The tipping point in a team atmosphere is razor thin.
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That blew up the 98-99 team?
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Archie did quite a bit with what he had. Quite a bit. He pulled some rabbits out of his hat several times. Some was coaching and some was getting the right players who bought into a system.
The players sometimes made Archie look like a genius. For example, Archie placed the ball for game winning shots in the hands of Vee all year long. He missed or muffed most of his end of game opportunities. See Ole Miss game. Yet, on the biggest stage, he finally gets one to fall.
There is a lot of criticism of Grant this year because he did not maximize talent. That is true. However, that does not make him a bad coach. It just means he could not work miracles this year.
Grant made some mistakes but seemed willing to learn from them. His use of timeouts improved since he called none at St. Loius. Does that always win games? It did not for Travis Ford at UD Arena. Grant seems to be more consistent in substitution patterns, but the bench has been awful. When you play walk ons extended minutes, something is wrong.
For me, I don’t know if Grant is a good coach or a bad coach. The players were so inconsistent that it made it difficult for me to determine his performance. Bottom line, I don’t know because I think EVERY coach in the nation would have struggled with this team.
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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin
Luck was also having Neil Sullivan scheduling, Neil is top 5 scheduler out of 351 D1 schools. Reason Dayton has #2 OOC SOS according to RPI, but #114 OOC SOS according to kenpom, sagarin, etc. Neil is literally top 5 in manipulating RPI.
Without Neil, Archie does not get into NCAA in 2014 or 2015. So goes first 4 years without NCAA appearance.
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Neil is one of the brightest and most intelligent people I know. That's why I'm in the camp of being a little more patient with AG than many on this board. I don't believe Neil went with the "safe choice" because that's not his style.
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That blew up the 98-99 team?
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I had to look that year up to remember. 11-17 in Purnell's fifth year. We were A10 champs the year before and the year after.
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I had to look that year up to remember. 11-17 in Purnell's fifth year. We were A10 champs the year before and the year after.
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I have no way of knowing if it's true but I was told by someone second hand that team had serious chemistry issues
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I have no way of knowing if it's true but I was told by someone second hand that team had serious chemistry issues
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Graduating one of the greatest Flyers ever the year before didn't help matters either. Ryan Perryman is one of my top 5 favorite Flyers of all-time.
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I have no way of knowing if it's true but I was told by someone second hand that team had serious chemistry issues
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Mark Adams used to comment on Flyer Feedback that Tony Stanley, that season as a Sophomore, liked to run a lot of "Give & Go" offense (as in "give" me the ball, and the rest of you can "go" to ...). Thankfully, his attitude and game both came around the following 2 seasons.
Also, our lone senior that year was Coby Turner, who was a serviceable but quiet role player, whose game was camping-out at the 3-point line and waiting for a feed. Not a "take no prisoners" kind of guy like P-Man was.
Finally, one of Stanley's classmates was the legendary Cain Doliboa, who eventually transferred crosstown and played with his brother for WSU. Heard rumors at that time that his dad was an early version of Billy Staten. That couldn't have helped team chemistry.
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I have no issues with how next year's roster is shaping up...
Cohill, Topin, Mikesell are definitely an upgrade from Williams, Crosby, Pierce.
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We can assume that all the agreement is based on visible observation on Cohill, Topin, and (newly reconstructed) Mikesell? More like addition by subtractions, ....correct? Are we so sure the contributions will be so significant from a freshman, and redshirt, and a significant injury returnee?
Seems to be a reach conclusion.
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Why do you insist on being reasoned, informed and level-headed with all your posts?
We're supposed to be shredding CAG, wishing for Arthur Mueller,tNBE and shredding each other.
C'mon Shocka
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Hard to lose something when you really didn't have it in the first place. XW, Pierce, Crosby, etc. were never on board. I'm not convinced that it's going to work with AG, but I will give him some credit for his vision of what a UD team should be. Is AG supposed to let the troublemakers slide with all the stuff (we hear the gossip) that these players are trying to get away with? Brian Gregory let some things slide (Warren, Staten, etc.) and in the end he had to go. Archie had a lot of bad stuff happen off the court, but he won so we tend to forget that.
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How can you say XW was never on board? This guy did very well for two years under a coach, who by all accounts, was even tougher and more demanding than AG. What has happened to that kid is one of the more puzzling outcomes of a UD player that i can ever remember. I literally thought he'd be our #1 or #2 scorer this year. No joke. Yes, i know he had an injury. But that is not the full explanation. It's completely baffling. If he isn't bought in or has done something so terrible that you can't put him in when your players are visibly gassed, then kick him off the team. Kick all of them off the team. I don't get that you get to not buy-in but still go on the trips and wear the uniform and sit and watch your teammates get killed. Makes no sense. Either you're worth a damm or you'r not. And if you're not, you're not on the team.
This team never learned how to play defense. And it never used all of the offensive weapons at our disposal. XW is more than a 3 point shooter. The dude can post up and slash to the basket. Design some plays for him to do that. We've got Kostas and Cunningham, both very good passers for big men, and i didn't see a single high-low post play all year between the two of them. It took the coach about 15 games to figure out his starting lineup.
I agree with a poster above who said 'AG didn't inherit the browns'. He inherited a good culture of hard-working kids. No idea what happened this year. But he needs to put a much improved team on the court next year or the natives will be very restless. Recruiting help to solve this doesn't get any easier with a record like this and an effort like this.
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I keep getting confused when people are saying XW was coming off of two good years. I'll give you last year but can someone tell me what was so good about his frosh year? I think he struggled quite a bit his frosh year. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Originally Posted by Flyer'95
How can you say XW was never on board? This guy did very well for two years under a coach, who by all accounts, was even tougher and more demanding than AG. What has happened to that kid is one of the more puzzling outcomes of a UD player that i can ever remember. I literally thought he'd be our #1 or #2 scorer this year. No joke. Yes, i know he had an injury. But that is not the full explanation. It's completely baffling. If he isn't bought in or has done something so terrible that you can't put him in when your players are visibly gassed, then kick him off the team. Kick all of them off the team. I don't get that you get to not buy-in but still go on the trips and wear the uniform and sit and watch your teammates get killed. Makes no sense. Either you're worth a damm or you'r not. And if you're not, you're not on the team.
This team never learned how to play defense. And it never used all of the offensive weapons at our disposal. XW is more than a 3 point shooter. The dude can post up and slash to the basket. Design some plays for him to do that. We've got Kostas and Cunningham, both very good passers for big men, and i didn't see a single high-low post play all year between the two of them. It took the coach about 15 games to figure out his starting lineup.
I agree with a poster above who said 'AG didn't inherit the browns'. He inherited a good culture of hard-working kids. No idea what happened this year. But he needs to put a much improved team on the court next year or the natives will be very restless. Recruiting help to solve this doesn't get any easier with a record like this and an effort like this.
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X's situation is equally baffling to me. He really came on the second half of the season last year. In fact, he had some really good games in the A-10 tournament and was starting. My expectations were very high based on the growth in his game between his freshman and sophomore year. I attended the opening game this year against Ball State and was surely expecting him to be in the starting lineup...but he was not. He got some minutes and looked OK, but the one thing I noticed was he did not look the same physically. It looked to me as if he lost weight and strength. And then as the games went by and he was getting second-string minutes, he just looked lost out on the court and had no interest in "mixing it up" in the paint. There was a picture of him recently in the DDN from last year, and the guy was chiseled; I mean he was a physical specimen. When you look at him now, he is not the same guy. In fact, he looks to me like someone who is sick or on some type of starvation diet. Physically, he is a mere shell of where he was last year. I just think the guy has packed it in and has no interest in being part of the team anymore. I know this sounds bad, but I hope he leaves the team and moves on to his next phase of life.
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03-03-2018, 09:10 AM
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I think a number of Priders are puzzled by what has happened to X this year. My reactions to his contributions this year have ranged from frustration to concern to disgust, with a few others mixed in as well. It’s like an algebra problem: “X = ?”.
As far as his physical appearance is concerned, I hadn’t paid that much attention to it, but I remember seeing “before and after” photos of him about 2 years ago, showing where he was when he first set foot on campus (scrawny) and after a year or so of working with the training staff (lean, but ripped). It would be interesting to see the same photo taken today, in comparison to the other 2.
If his problems are mostly physical, then I hope he gets proper treatment so he can return to the court at some point, fully healthy.
If his problems are academic, then I hope he dedicates himself to his studies, so he can leverage that basketball scholarship into a degree that could benefit him for the rest of his life.
If his problems are attitudinal, then I hope he either shapes up or ships out. He only has 1 more year of eligibility, and (barring the unforeseen) Coach Grant will be in charge of the program for at least the next 2-3 years, so X needs to either “get with” that program or leave it. Staying in the program as a problem child and taking down everyone around him is not an option.
Keep in mind, all 3 situations above are “ifs” as far as I’m concerned. I’m not close enough to the program to know the reality of the situation. At any rate, “Go Flyers!”, and win this one today for Big Steve, who would have graduated in May.
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03-03-2018, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyer'95
How can you say XW was never on board?
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Insider information and I'm not talking about Rollo.
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03-03-2018, 09:34 AM
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This is actually reassuring to me as it fills in the blanks. Perhaps time to part company and if so we wish him the best.
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03-03-2018, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CT Flyer
I keep getting confused when people are saying XW was coming off of two good years. I'll give you last year but can someone tell me what was so good about his frosh year? I think he struggled quite a bit his frosh year. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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I thought he did a really good job filling in for Pierre while he was suspended but didn't play a whole lot after he returned. He didn't find his shot until his sophomore year, but he gave us some rebounding and defense as odd as it is to say now.
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03-03-2018, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by bcross
I thought he did a really good job filling in for Pierre while he was suspended but didn't play a whole lot after he returned. He didn't find his shot until his sophomore year, but he gave us some rebounding and defense as odd as it is to say now.
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XW did play very well at times last year. He made some big shots for us. Give a lot of credit to the seniors though since they took almost all the pressure off XW because the opponents had to concentrate on Scoochie, Cooke, Pollard, etc. I could say the same about Darrell Davis. Some players can't handle the spotlight. That's what makes it so tough on the freshmen this year. Not a lot upperclassmen support other than Josh. And thank God for Trey!
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03-03-2018, 12:16 PM
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To correct the facts: XW started the Ball St game. In fact started the first 4 games of the season playing 34,33,36, 34 minutes in those games.
Then sat out with back problems the next 5 games. On his return he lost his starting spot and never got close to those kinds of minutes. So to say he was never on board seems unlikely. Likely the friction started when he returned from the 5 games off and saw his playing time reduced and starting spot taken.
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03-03-2018, 12:48 PM
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John Crosby started too. Do remember XW's play in those four starts? Not good. Not good at all. Sitting outside and jacking up 3s (1-8, 1-9, and 1-6) in the tournament. He was playing his way to the bench and reduced time. I'm still very skeptical of the back issue claim...
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03-03-2018, 01:26 PM
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Crosby started the first 6 games. His minutes played in games went:
28,23,19,18,20,8
A normal pattern of a coach ready to make a change.
34,33,36,34 is entirely different
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Originally Posted by Furio
To correct the facts: XW started the Ball St game. In fact started the first 4 games of the season playing 34,33,36, 34 minutes in those games.
Then sat out with back problems the next 5 games. On his return he lost his starting spot and never got close to those kinds of minutes. So to say he was never on board seems unlikely. Likely the friction started when he returned from the 5 games off and saw his playing time reduced and starting spot taken.
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I have to disagree. I saw the three Charleston games in person. X mostly stood out at the three line, making almost none. What was just as bad was his defense and rebounding effort. I have to believe that Grant did some assertive coaching on X at that point, and all hell broke lose.
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03-03-2018, 02:27 PM
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Agree to disagree. Playing someone 34,33,36,34 is not my definition of assertive coaching.
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