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[Figgie123]

Originally Posted by ud69 Dayton was #1 in the A-10 last year in the Learfield Cup and also ahead of _avier- snap http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...tandJune30.pdf

And Princeton was #33 overall, 80 spots better than Dayton. Maybe we should get a home-and-home with them.

(I kid. Princeton at #33 is why Learfield Cup ratings shouldn't be used to compare college sport teams.)

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by UD62 Believe you are fighting a losing battle 69, he is a one trick pony and nothing will get him off the idea that we should play less home games. He goes on, and on, and on.......

But I'm glad he made his argument again. I didn't quite understand it the first 30 times he made it.

[Chris R]

Originally Posted by ud2 How are UMass, Delaware, Bradley, Portland, Eastern Michigan, Northern Arizona, Southern Utah, Middle Tennessee, American, Texas-Arlington, Tulsa, Furman, Iona, San Francisco, UTEP, Eastern Kentucky, etc. all ahead of us since we spend so much on non-revenue sports?

I dont think any of us have a problem with the 15-game schedule. Just as long as you write the check to make it happen.

Its easy spending other peoples' money.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Chris R I dont think any of us have a problem with the 15-game schedule. Just as long as you write the check to make it happen. Its easy spending other peoples' money.

At the risk of further admonishments, UD's endowment is $500.4 million...Xavier's is $156 million, plus, we average about 3k more fans per game than they do. How can they afford a 15/15 schedule, but we can't?

And they are in a tougher league, they should be the ones playing more cupcake non-league buy games at home, not us.

And don't tell me about BE TV money, they did the same thing when they were in the A10, and the TV money was the same.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ud2]

Average ticket price is maybe $25×3,000 extra seats×15 home games=$1.125 million. We have over $1 million more in the bank than they do every year just because of bigger crowds.

[longtimefan]

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[MikeF]

The real scandal in college basketball is Harvard: those punks have a $36 billion endowment and they play more home games than away+neutral games this year (I think).

[ud2]

Originally Posted by MikeF The real scandal in college basketball is Harvard: those punks have a $36 billion endowment and they play more home games than away+neutral games this year (I think).

No...25 games...13 away/neutral...12 home...lol.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Harvard.html



#32...:

There used to be a great website called bbstate.com that tracked all the college sports revenue and expenses. That website is now defunct. UD has a very healthy bottom line, I don't like hearing that one less home game is unaffordable.

The below link details $11 million in revenue vs. almost $4 million in expenses for 2014...the men's basketball program funds about 50% of the athletic department.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...onn-in-revenue:

Athletic Director Tim Wabler credits the school’s fans -- who contribute $3.3 million annually in required season ticket donations and have kept the program’s attendance among the country’s top 30 for the past 17 years. Dayton, a Catholic university with an undergraduate enrollment of 8,000, brings in 84 percent more men’s basketball revenue than three-time tournament champion University of Connecticut, with about half the expenses.

The program has returned $2.72 in revenue for every dollar it spent on men’s basketball over the past five years, trailing only Ohio State, Arizona, North Carolina and Louisville in college basketball’s top division.

Program******* Basketball Expenses***** Basketball Revenue
Dayton********* $3.98 million************ $11.30 million

Dayton’s arena has hosted the NCAA tournament’s four-game opening round for each of the past four years. The athletic department rents the venue to the NCAA and receives about $100,000 annually for it, according to athletics spokesman Doug Hauschild. That total is not counted in the school’s basketball revenue.

Wabler said that since the mid-1990s, all of the athletic department’s competition and practice facilities are either new or completely renovated -- a total cost of more than $35 million funded by donors and basketball success.

Dayton requires a donation to the basketball program from anyone buying one of the roughly 6,000 season tickets in the lower portion of University of Dayton Arena. The donations amount to $3.3 million in annual revenue, according to Wabler. Combine that with the roughly $3.5 million the program receives from ticket sales, and fans getting in the door account for more than half the program’s revenue total.

The Dayton basketball team accounted for about half of the athletic department’s $23 million revenue in fiscal 2013. The football team, which competes in the Football Championship Subdivision, brought in $197,346 in revenue against $1 million in expenses. The department as a whole broke even.

The program also receives more than $2 million in annual corporate sponsorships at the 13,455-seat arena, according to Wabler. The school owns the arena, which includes eight suites and lounges.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-much...rth-1459459516:

The Flyers are worth $80.6 million...#24 in the nation, better than Xavier.



The Flyers are #20 in Forbes' list of the most valuable college basketball teams.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmi.../#7d1032b23efe:


This year we have just one new team: Dayton. The Flyers have never before cracked the top 20, though they've only just missed the cutoff in recent seasons. Dayton's arrival pushes Missouri from last year's No. 20 rank. This year Dayton makes its third straight NCAA Tournament appearance. The Flyers no doubt hope to repeat the success of their trip to the Elite Eight two years ago, but the road there will be tough this time around - Michigan State, No. 12 on our list with a valuation of $14.8 million, will likely be waiting for them in the second round.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Tim Wabler TIM WABLER Current Director of Athletics for the University of Dayton. Took over for Ted Kissell on Jan. 1, 2009, and brings considerable experience and leadership in athletics. Assistant AD for many years and a former standout baseball player for the Flyers, Wabler has Dayton roots and understands the unique paradigm that makes Flyer athletics and the city of Dayton a tremendous relationship.

[Chris R]

Originally Posted by ud2 And they are in a tougher league, they should be the ones playing more cupcake non-league buy games at home, not us.

Right. Because XU would rather not enter into home/home contracts with Utah, Baylor, Colorado, Wake Forest, UNI, Gavitt Game (Big10), and then a neutral Cincinnati if they can help it. They and their fans would prefer dropping these for directional schools and adding an additional 16th vs VMI.

Xavier has also recently had series with Tennessee, Florida, Purdue, Georgia, Gonzaga(?), Alabama, and a few others.

To us, Alabama is a scheduling coup. To Xavier, Alabama is filler.

To still crank out the RPIs and SOSs we do with the scheduling limitations/pull we have is nothing short of Einstein voodoo magic. Getting teams to play you is not about money. Its about them seeing it in their best interest/perception.

BYU gets 20,000 Mormons to their home games and have FBS football. Yet few teams go anywhere near the Marriott Center beyond the in-state schools. They dont even play Utah this year on any court. BYUs best non-con home game is Colorado and thats pretty much it. What's their excuse? They had to host Utah Valley -- and got beat at home.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[m21eagle45]

UD2 at this point you are just trolling. Nobody agrees with you.

[UD62]

Longtimefan, believe he is at 32 now.

[MikeF]

Originally Posted by ud2 No...25 games...13 away/neutral...12 home...lol. http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Harvard.html

Obviously I just having fun with the endowment comment, but for what it's worth according to Harvard's schedule on its own web site they show 13 home games, 12 away games, and one neutral site game. The difference, after a few minutes of snooping, is that Harvard plays McGill University, a Canadian school.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by MikeF Obviously I just having fun with the endowment comment, but for what it's worth according to Harvard's schedule on its own web site they show 13 home games, 12 away games, and one neutral site game. The difference, after a few minutes of snooping, is that Harvard plays McGill University, a Canadian school.

#33...

I am counting 27 games...2 home games vs. non-d1 teams, Fisher and McGill. Those 2 games did not show up on the rpiforecast page.

So, I am counting 14 home, 12 away, and 1 neutral.


http://gocrimson.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Chris R Right. Because XU would rather not enter into home/home contracts with Utah, Baylor, Colorado, Wake Forest, UNI, Gavitt Game (Big10), and then a neutral Cincinnati if they can help it. They and their fans would prefer dropping these for directional schools and adding an additional 16th vs VMI. Xavier has also recently had series with Tennessee, Florida, Purdue, Georgia, Gonzaga(?), Alabama, and a few others. To us, Alabama is a scheduling coup. To Xavier, Alabama is filler. To still crank out the RPIs and SOSs we do with the scheduling limitations/pull we have is nothing short of Einstein voodoo magic. Getting teams to play you is not about money. Its about them seeing it in their best interest/perception. BYU gets 20,000 Mormons to their home games and have FBS football. Yet few teams go anywhere near the Marriott Center beyond the in-state schools. They dont even play Utah this year on any court. BYUs best non-con home game is Colorado and thats pretty much it. What's their excuse? They had to host Utah Valley -- and got beat at home.

#34...

The 18 game league schedule has been terrible for college basketball...the p5 schools just feed off each other's dung. The p5 play fewer away/neutral games now.

The future 20 game league schedule will make things worse.

We need to get into the BE to avoid the consequences of this development.

I will give you this year with BYU, but in 2013-2014, BYU was able to get 6 good away/neutral games on the schedule. They got Iowa State at home that year, they also played Utah State at a neutral site. They played 16 away 14 home that year. If you take away the Utah State game, then they would have been at 15/15.


at Stanford, part of a h/h
at Utah, part of a h/h
Texas neutral
Wichita State neutral
UMASS neutral
at Oregon, played them at a neutral site 2 years prior

http://www.realtimerpi.com/2013-2014/rpi_305_Men.html

Perhaps we need more NCAAT appearances in order to get more better offers, I am just skeptical because we have never, not even once, as far as I am aware, played a 15/15.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by ud2 #34... The 18 game league schedule has been terrible for college basketball...the p5 schools just feed off each other's dung. The p5 play fewer away/neutral games now. The future 20 game league schedule will make things worse. We need to get into the BE to avoid the consequences of this development. I will give you this year with BYU, but in 2013-2014, BYU was able to get 6 good away/neutral games on the schedule. They got Iowa State at home that year, they also played Utah State at a neutral site. They played 16 away 14 home that year. If you take away the Utah State game, then they would have been at 15/15. at Stanford, part of a h/h at Utah, part of a h/h Texas neutral Wichita State neutral UMASS neutral at Oregon, played them at a neutral site 2 years prior http://www.realtimerpi.com/2013-2014/rpi_305_Men.html Perhaps we need more NCAAT appearances in order to get more better offers, I am just skeptical because we have never, not even once, as far as I am aware, played a 15/15.

Yes, lets keep comparing Dayton to big time football schools, because obviously it is apples to apples.

EDIT: BYU gets 55-63k per game for home football games. That is more than a lot of P5 schools. Please, stop comparing UD to schools like this that have football.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.