Games of note:

[NorthwestFlyer]

My guess is the someone punched George Washington instead of Georgetown on the ballot. Perhaps it was a hanging chad that caused the confusion.

	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

[Medford]

From late last night,

Arizona throttled Rhode Island
USC beat Cal state Fullerton by 14. They were up 45-25 at half, so that final score might actually be closer than the game really was.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[Medford]

On to tonight:

Albany is at Duquesne
Purdue - Calmont is at IPFW
Manhattan @ Illinois St (-2)

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[westchesterflyer]

Iona gave Kansas a good run for :30. Blowout late.

[Medford]

Last night, Duquesne beat Albany. Duquesne was up 30-16 at half, before Albany made a big comeback to take the lead, only to see Duquesne put them away 70-59.

IPFW won 106-72; I assume that school is not D1.
Manhattan beat Illinois St, @ Illinois St 79-70

Outside of that, I caught a decent chunk of the Iowa St @ BYU game last night, was specifically looking to see how our old friend Percy Gibson was doing. He wasn't in the starting lineup, and they had a pretty solid looking backup C that got a decent amount of time; I'm not sure that he got in the game at all. He played 14 min in their first game, a blowout, then 8 in the next game, another blowout, and barely, if at all last night in a game that was tight the whole way (ISU won, FWIW). Don't know the whole story, but looks like perhaps UD didn't miss out too much following that fruitless meeting at Dunken Donunts.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[Medford]

tonight:

Nebraska play UMass (-4) (I think that is in charleston, definently one of the ESPN games, I think its an early game today for those wanting to watch on TV)

Florida St plays VCU (-7.5), not sure if that's @ VCU or some exempt tournament.
Oral Roberts @ SLU
Washington St @ Gonzaga (-15.5)
West Alabama @ USC

Looks like a solid shot at 2 more BCS scalps for the A-10.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Sea Bass]

Georgetown just got dumped by that powerhouse school from Boston.

[priceg75]

UMass 96
Nebraska 90

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[Sea Bass]

BTW Georgetown was a school that scheduled light and counted on BE wins to put them in the tourney. They may find that strategy to not be quite as successful as in the past.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass BTW Georgetown was a school that scheduled light and counted on BE wins to put them in the tourney. They may find that strategy to not be quite as successful as in the past.

Now a New Hampshire win would really brighten my day.
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[jack72]

NC Central 82 North Car. State 72 in overtime.

The fans are livid and more than restless. NC St spends big bucks and is anxious about competing in a market with Duke and NC. They will make a run at Archie.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by jack72 NC Central 82 North Car. State 72 in overtime. The fans are livid and more than restless. NC St spends big bucks and is anxious about competing in a market with Duke and NC. They will make a run at Archie.

So we gotta backup plan, right?

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[Bill McPeek]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Georgetown just got dumped by that powerhouse school from Boston.

I watched the game and enjoyed the outcome. And I think you are right......BE teams are going to find the road to the Tournament may not be as easy as it has been in the past. Obviously the BE is not as strong as it has been in the past.

[Fudd]

I've decided that we should turn down an invite to the New Crappier Big East if they come begging. They are going to be a RPI boat anchor. And we can prevent our good name being associated with the gangster element in Cincinnati.

[shapanud]

Gonzaga vs Washington State tonight at 9pm on Ch 691 for those with the directv sports pack

[1903 Flyer]

Florida State leading VCU 48-36 at the half

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

It's now 60-38. Technical difficulties with telecast because of heavy rain in San Juan

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by Medford tonight: Nebraska play UMass (-4) (I think that is in charleston, definently one of the ESPN games, I think its an early game today for those wanting to watch on TV) Florida St plays VCU (-7.5), not sure if that's @ VCU or some exempt tournament . . . Looks like a solid shot at 2 more BCS scalps for the A-10.

Ooops . . .

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	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[FlyingArrow]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark Ooops . . . ___________________ Whether your glass is half empty or half full, you still have more to drink.

But Davidson and Charlotte both got BCS wins. That's worth something, right?

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[Atlantic 10]

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow But Davidson and Charlotte both got BCS wins. That's worth something, right?

Well, Charlotte is not in the A10 this year and Davidson doesnt come in till next year

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[priceg75]

Clemson beat former A-10er Temple last night. 72-58. Temple is struggling this year, I think they've lost to Kent State, Towson, and now Clemson. Glad we got rid of another RPI drag from the conference.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Medford]

Some of these have been mentioned, some not:

UMass beat Nebraska 96-90. There was about 10,000 fouls called in that game, absolutley no flow. They now get New Mexico today coming off a double over time victory. With all the time some of UMass's guys spent on the bench, they should be a lot fresher for that big matchup.

Free Shoes U absolutely trucked VCU last night. By the time I turned the game on, it was half, and w/ the weather difficulties and the score, I flipped over to football, but when you get beat by nearly 20 when your a top 10ish team, needless to say you didn't play well (or maybe weren't nearly as good as the ranking?)

St louis, down at the half, points a 20 point differential on Oral Roberts to win by 17.
Gonzaga beat Washington St by 16
USC beat W Alabama by 16 as well.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Medford]

thanks to the tournaments, a few games of note today:

As mentioned above, UMass v #19 New Mexico (2:30) I assume on ESPN somewhere for those that want to watch

Long Beach St v VCU (-19.5)
Miss Valley St @ Ole Miss
Morgan St @ LaSalle (says its on CBS sports, though I don't know if that is national or regional)

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Alberto Strasse]

in the Sagarin to 8th place ahead of the Mountain West conference. Early eye-popping RPI's
by UMass (5), VCU(8) and UD (14) are helping the conference as well as GW's 4-0 start in the non-con.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[Bill McPeek]

With 2:30 to go in the game it looks like UMass is taking down the Lobos of New Mexico. UMass is up 75-61. UMass looks pretty good!

Color guy on ESPN2 said "looks like the quickness of UMass is too much for New Mexico."

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[Bill McPeek]

UMass wins vs. New Mexico 81-65.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[springborofan]

That is a good win for UMass AND the A-10.

If Duquesne, St. Bonaventure, and Fordham can be at .500 in the non conference along with the top tier of the A-10, I think the conference can end the year in the top 7 conferences in RPI standings--ahead of the Southeastern, American, and MAYBE ACC.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[Sea Bass]

interesting how Kellogg really struggled the first 3 years. Now in year 6 likely to get first NCAA bid.

[Bill McPeek]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass interesting how Kellogg really struggled the first 3 years. Now in year 6 likely to get first NCAA bid.

I thought UMass played really well today. They like to run and they put pressure on the offense. The big man for the Lobos looked real good! He ended up with 31! NM big guy hit a number of 3's

UMAss is the real deal, if today's game is any indication.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by springborofan That is a good win for UMass AND the A-10. If Duquesne, St. Bonaventure, and Fordham can be at .500 in the non conference along with the top tier of the A-10, I think the conference can end the year in the top 7 conferences in RPI standings--ahead of the Southeastern, American, and MAYBE ACC.

You mean the AC (American), not the Atlantic Coast (ACC)?

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[Medford]

Obviously its early, but the ACC some really bad losses so far. They're currently like 8th or something in the RPI. however, they get the benefit of playing most of their games at home, so they'll rack up a solid winning % out of conference, which will carry over to a strong SOS once you start playing conference games.

Bottom line, its far to early to have a good handle on how the conferences will stack in the RPI. Give it another 2 weeks or so for all of these thanksgiving tournaments to play themselves out plus another weeks worth of games and we'll have a pretty decent picture. By the end of December conference rpi will become fairly predictable as most teams will be largely done w/ their OOC slate and it will be a matter of looking at conference winning % OOC and their current rpi to get a good basis for where they will stand at the end of the year.

[springborofan]

Originally Posted by jack72 You mean the AC (American), not the Atlantic Coast (ACC)?

No....I meant the ACC. Miami, BC, NC St, Wake, and potentially Ga tech are all very pedestrian. However, Medford has a good point that they have a lot of home games coming up.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by springborofan No....I meant the ACC. Miami, BC, NC St, Wake, and potentially Ga tech are all very pedestrian. However, Medford has a good point that they have a lot of home games coming up.

And Boston College. However, you are forgetting about the 9 teams that are not pedestrian

[Glen Clark]

With La Salle's 21 point win over Morgan St. tonight, the A-10 goes to 43-11 on the season - a shade under 80%.

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	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Bill McPeek]

VCU beat Long Beach State tonight

[springborofan]

Originally Posted by jack72 And Boston College. However, you are forgetting about the 9 teams that are not pedestrian

Actually, I did forget about Syracuse, Pitt, and ND joining this yr...

[westchesterflyer]

George Mason at Iona today.

[Viperstick]

Richmond was giving UNC a game, but looks like the Heels are pulling away.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[westchesterflyer]

Iona leads GM 32-5 with 9:30 to go in the half. Iona is no walk-over.

[UDDoug]

Mason making a comeback. "Only" down 19 at half.
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[AQUDXU]

Originally Posted by westchesterflyer Iona leads GM 32-5 with 9:30 to go in the half. Iona is no walk-over.

This game is the best chance for the Flyers to drop a non-con home game.

[westchesterflyer]

Originally Posted by AQUDXU This game is the best chance for the Flyers to drop a non-con home game.

Very correct!

[westchesterflyer]

Terrible loss for Fordham. Lost to previously winless Sacred Heart by 12 at home. Awful!

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by westchesterflyer Terrible loss for Fordham. Lost to previously winless Sacred Heart by 12 at home. Awful!

Is any loss really terrible for Fordham at this point anymore? You never know who is going to show up for them. It may be time for them to start looking to go in a different direction as far as a head coach. And that is tough for me to say, because I really like Tom Pecora.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[m21eagle45]

Miami OH lost to Wilmington College (DIII). I think it was a good year to end that game.

[Glen Clark]

After today's games, the A-10 came back down to earth a bit.

Richmond gave an overrated North Carolina team all they could handle in the Hall of Fame Tip-Off Too Many Words Tournament before losing by 10, 82-72.
George Mason ventured on the road for the first time and was exposed by Iona College 89-73, while Fordham couldn't throw the ball in the ocean (27 of 74), giving Sacred Heart their first win of the season (the Pioneers managed nine last season).

On the plus side, St Louis dominated visiting Bowling Green 74-47, and Rhode Island cruised past winless Mass-Lowell at home 79-68.

The A-10 is now 45-14 on the season.

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	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Miami OH lost to Wilmington College (DIII). I think it was a good year to end that game.

that is a horrific loss. tough times for Miami athletics

[Chris R]

Originally Posted by westchesterflyer Iona leads GM 32-5 with 9:30 to go in the half. Iona is no walk-over.

I remember Chris Mooney's first or second season at Richmond where we were beating them 35-2 or something like that to start the game. He was basically playing five skinny white guys with little experience. The heaviest player must have been about a buck ninety-five. Their jerseys hung over their frames like they were draped over coat hangers.

Then Kevin Anderson and Justin Harper showed up.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[westchesterflyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Is any loss really terrible for Fordham at this point anymore? You never know who is going to show up for them. It may be time for them to start looking to go in a different direction as far as a head coach. And that is tough for me to say, because I really like Tom Pecora.

Pechora is getting good press in NY for recent recruiting success. They have a freshman named Severe (?) who had some early success and a point guard for next year. Tough loss though.

[DallasFlyer]

IIRC the Severe kid was a UD recruiting target. He's good.

[Alberto Strasse]

with 13:38 to play in the game. Sup up wid BG and da boyz?

[FlyingArrow]

GA Tech storms back. Now a 3pt lead for tech, 61-58. 6:41 to go.

VCU/Gtown trading baskets midway through the 2nd half. Gtown up 1.

[FlyingArrow]

SFNY beats Oakland.

[IndianaFlyer]

Gtown beats VCU 84-80.

[1903 Flyer]

Ga Tech beats NCAT 78-71

[1903 Flyer]

Mildly interesting...Charlotte defeats Michigan to win tournament in which VCU finishes 6th.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[IndianaFlyer]

Charleston classic championship game:

UMASS 62
Clemson 56

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[Sea Bass]

Watching providence vs lasalle Ugly game as both teams throwing up a lot of bad shots. Las ale having a hard transition from the hunter to the hunted.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[FlyingArrow]

La Salle loses. VCU loses. Two close losses to the Big East. La Salle's game was closer than the final score. One possession game under 2 to go.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[FlyingArrow]

1-5 Vermont came within a point of knocking of #6 Duke.

[Medford]

Monday 11/25

Well its the start of Mauii day, with a great field to boot.

On the "other" side of the bracket:
Minnesota v Syracuse (-2.5)
Arkansas v California (-4)

On "our" side of the bracket
Chaminde vs Baylor
Dayton v Gonzaga (-7.5)

elsewhere:
St Bonny v S Illinois (+5, I forget where this is being played)
Northen Iowa @ LaSalle (-2)
UNC-Ashville v Rhode Island (-8.5) Anyone remember when UNCA had that 7'-6" guy w/ like half a foot?

And just for fun:

Bob Jones University @ SC Upstate. I have never heard of BJ U, but I'm their biggest fan.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[jack72]

North Carolina knocks off Louisville and Richmond the week after NC lost to Belmont.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Sea Bass]

there is not anything like what you think going on at ol' BJU.

[priceg75]

Used to live in the Greenville, South Carolina area, and Bob Jones University is about as uptight a religious university as one can get. Extremely strict Southern Baptist, I would say, though I believe officially they are "non-denominational".

Women must wear dresses at all times, and no movies or dancing on campus. Or at least, none from popular culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University

[1903 Flyer]

Originally Posted by Medford Monday 11/25 Well its the start of Mauii day, with a great field to boot. On the "other" side of the bracket: Minnesota v Syracuse (-2.5) Arkansas v California (-4) On "our" side of the bracket Chaminde vs Baylor Dayton v Gonzaga (-7.5) elsewhere: St Bonny v S Illinois (+5, I forget where this is being played) Northen Iowa @ LaSalle (-2) UNC-Ashville v Rhode Island (-8.5) Anyone remember when UNCA had that 7'-6" guy w/ like half a foot? And just for fun: Bob Jones University @ SC Upstate. I have never heard of BJ U, but I'm their biggest fan.

After we dispose of Gonzaga, Baylor's worst case scenario becomes a distinct possibility: travel to Hawaii to play Chaminade, Dayton and one of Arkansas/Minnesota.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by IndianaFlyer Gtown beats VCU 84-80.

I watched some of this game and I have seen VCU 3 times this year now on TV. I really think the new rules are really hurting "Havoc". Yesterday against Georgetown both teams had foul trouble, but VCU lost 2 starters, had 2 starters with 4 fouls, and a key reserve with 4 fouls. Everytime they need to ramp up and play pressure D they get hit with fouls. I know some have thought they would be fine because they are so quick and athletic that they would be able to adjust. But so far they have not. I do not think VCU has the offense to be able to win a halfcourt game against good teams. In their losses this year and some of their losses last year, when they were in a half court game they really struggled. This could be good for the us, as we continue to be a good offensive team in the half court.

[Sea Bass]

Last year VCU could really space the floor with Daniels, Theus and Brandenberg. They could bury you with threes and if you pushed out too far they could kill you in the paint with Reddic and Graham. Now without the ability to space the floor as effectively Reddic especially has not been nearly as effective. They are still creating turnovers but their overall shooting percentage and 3 point percentage are down significantly.

IMO they tend to rush in the half court and force shots, they need more patience and ball movement which that haven't had much of in the past.

[Bill McPeek]

VCU's half court offense is a work in progress.

[NorthwestFlyer]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass IMO they tend to rush in the half court and force shots, they need more patience and ball movement which that haven't had much of in the past.

Sums up another team I follow.

If Chaminade is Div 2, then in the unlikely event that we play them in the second round of Maui, the game does not show up in our RPI, correct?

[FlyingArrow]

Originally Posted by NorthwestFlyer Sums up another team I follow. If Chaminade is Div 2, then in the unlikely event that we play them in the second round of Maui, the game does not show up in our RPI, correct?

Correct. It's a missed opportunity, but at least it won't hurt our RPI.

[CE80]

Clev St had an 11 point lead in 2nd half against KY but loses by 7.

[Gilchrist's Autograph 2]

Man, LaSalle has been disappointing so far - got stomped by N Iowa tonight.
Posted via Mobile Device

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by Gilchrist's Autograph 2 Man, LaSalle has been disappointing so far - got stomped by N Iowa tonight. Posted via Mobile Device

Supposedly a contender in the A-10. Let's hope not.

___________________
Whether your glass is half empty or half full, you still have more to drink.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[1903 Flyer]

Not relevant to UD's schedule, but I'm really enjoying watching Marquette get drilled by Ariz St. 33-18 at the under 8 timeout.

[Medford]

OK, so I think we all know Baylor won. On the other side, Syracuse & Cal won as well, so no matter what happens, we'll be facing 2 more teams that should do well in conference and boost the rpi SOS substantially as we move forward.

Elsewhere:
Delaware St lost, I forgot to mention them as I forget they're on the schedule. Lost at home by 10 to Delaware.
Rhode Island won easily over UNC-Ashville after being tied at halftime.
LaSalle lost by 15 to Northern Iowa. That team has lost its mojo from last year.
Iowa St more than doubled up UM-KC, our man Percy Gibson had 3 points, 4 rebounds and 4 fouls in limited minutes. Looking more and more like we didn't miss much
St Bonnie won over Southern Illinois

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Medford]

Today:

NC A&T @ Ole Miss
Chaminada v Gonzaga (don't think that one affects us in any form rpi wise, but obviously need the Zags to win the next two to keep their "perception" high)
Miss Valley St @ GTech
Fordham @ Manhattan
Cal v Cuse (-3.5)
McNeese St v Rhode Island (-12)
C Michigan @ aTm-CC
George Mason @ Princeton
SLU @ Wisconsin (-1.5, maybe a tournament somewhere, not sure, looks like a good one either way)
Middle Tenn @ Murray St (+1)
Wagner v SBU (-4)

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[m21eagle45]

Gonzaga is my new second favorite team. I would really love it if they win out the rest of the regular season. Worst case no bad losses. I would be a very happy Flyers/Zags fan if that happened!

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by Medford our man Percy Gibson had 3 points, 4 rebounds and 4 fouls in limited minutes. Looking more and more like we didn't miss much

I recall some UD fans question how much Jordan Sibert could contribute looking at his OSU numbers . . .

[jack72]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Gonzaga is my new second favorite team. I would really love it if they win out the rest of the regular season. Worst case no bad losses. I would be a very happy Flyers/Zags fan if that happened!

I hope they win all their games because it helps us. After reading some of their fans condescending comments on ESPN Game Conversation, that is as far my hope goes, especially the guy who called us "goobers"

[Medford]

basing anything off of the comments on the bottom of espn's page is never a good way to judge a fan base.

If you go to their board, there is the expected angst after suffering a tough loss, but there are a number of quality fans over there who recognize the position that UD is currently in as it wasn't that long ago that Gonzaga was in the same spot where fans of a BCS team would automatically call a lose to them a bad loss, or we played poor, or darn refs....

[Flyer 86]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 I watched some of this game and I have seen VCU 3 times this year now on TV. I really think the new rules are really hurting "Havoc". Yesterday against Georgetown both teams had foul trouble, but VCU lost 2 starters, had 2 starters with 4 fouls, and a key reserve with 4 fouls. Everytime they need to ramp up and play pressure D they get hit with fouls. I know some have thought they would be fine because they are so quick and athletic that they would be able to adjust. But so far they have not. I do not think VCU has the offense to be able to win a halfcourt game against good teams. In their losses this year and some of their losses last year, when they were in a half court game they really struggled. This could be good for the us, as we continue to be a good offensive team in the half court.

one word - GOOD!

[priceg75]

The whole premise behind Havoc is to wear the other team down through constant bumping and grinding. Now that they can't do that, they look mortal. I would not be sad if VCU's reign as media darlings is coming to a swift conclusion.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by priceg75 The whole premise behind Havoc is to wear the other team down through constant bumping and grinding. Now that they can't do that, they look mortal. I would not be sad if VCU's reign as media darlings is coming to a swift conclusion.

...especially if they were replaced by a new one

[westchesterflyer]

Fordham is +12 to Manhattan. That's right, Manhattan!

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[anthonycharles]

Originally Posted by westchesterflyer Fordham is +12 to Manhattan. That's right, Manhattan!

Well, Manhattan is 9 pts better than LaSalle as they beat them by 9 and lost to GW by 6, so yeah, that sounds about right.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[udflyerhoops2]

The vast majority of the vile and uncreative negative comments there come from 2 kinds of posters...those who are uninformed and know nothing about any team not named UK or UNC etc...and those who are bettors on the losing side of a line that take their frustrations out on some poor unsuspecting keyboard.

[Medford]

Arkansas beat Minnesota in Mauii this afternoon, by about 12.

Not much direct bearing, but if we assume that Gonzaga knocks off Chaminade, Arkansas is probably a better SOS opponent than Minnesota as the B10 is going to be brutal, the SEC isn't as strong.

Ole Miss up by 8 or so w/ 6 min remaining in the 1st half.
Gonzaga just tipped off (actually 3-2 silverswords when I looked)

[Medford]

Gonzaga up 58-40 at halftime. I think Baylor & Chaminade were tied last night at half, about 50 a piece before Baylor blew the doors off.

[westchesterflyer]

Originally Posted by udflyerhoops2 The vast majority of the vile and uncreative negative comments there come from 2 kinds of posters...those who are uninformed and know nothing about any team not named UK or UNC etc...and those who are bettors on the losing side of a line that take their frustrations out on some poor unsuspecting keyboard.

Don't get it.

[udflyerhoops2]

WestChester, a few posts down Medford commented on how it's not a good Idea to base an opinion of a certain team's fanbase from the comments opined in the discussion portion of a game feed on ESPN.com. That was my description of what I have noticed about the people who comment on ESPN game boards.

I should have quoted. My bad.

[1903 Flyer]

Syracuse up on Cal 56-54 at the under 12 timeout. Jay Bilas with the line of the day: "CJ Fair nearly had a triple double last night...16 pts, 10 rebs and 8 stitches."

[Medford]

The best part of last night's loss? They get to turn it around and go after a win today. Sure the loss stings, but if they land back in Dayton at 6-1 with wins @ GTech, over Gonzaga and California who wouldn't have gladly taken that to start the season?

Anyhoo, last night:
Ole Miss won by 34
Gonzaga won huge (though no help to our RPI)
GTech won by 17
Fordham picked up a nice win at Manahattan
Rhode Island won by 5
Central Michigan won
George Mason lost @ Princeton
St Louis lost by 6 to Wisconsin
Murray St got hammered by Middle Tennessee St
Bonnies beat Wagner

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Medford]

Today, Wednesday 11/27:

Mount St Vincent @ STF(Ny)
Arkansas v Gonzaga (-13.5) @ 4:30
Old Dominion v St Louis
IPFW @ Eastern Illinois (-1)
Louisianna Tech v Bonnies (+2)
Richmond @ Air Force (+6)
Syracuse v Baylor (-1)
Vermont @ Illinois St (+2)

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Gonzaga 91- Arkansas 81

[Medford]

Sfny won big
Slu won by 10
Ipfw won on the road by six
Bonnie's tied with six to go
Richmond up eight with about twelve to go

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Viperstick]

GW with a nice win over Miami (FL) in OT.

USC goes down to 'Nova in Atlantis.

[El Shaqtus]

SLU with a bad loss and a very meh win in Mexico.

Very nice to get back to the US.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by El Shaqtus SLU with a bad loss and a very meh win in Mexico.

Why is a loss to the #11/10 team in the country a bad loss?

[El Shaqtus]

Originally Posted by NCkevi Why is a loss to the #11/10 team in the country a bad loss?

That's where expectations are in St. Louis. It wasn't that competitive a game, and a lot of people are really not happy with the start.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by El Shaqtus That's where expectations are in St. Louis. It wasn't that competitive a game, and a lot of people are really not happy with the start.

Sounds like a fan base we all know and love, up until a week ago when something changed. don't think it was the fan base.