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Brian Roberts Summer League
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/sl_rosters.html
This has the roster for the summer tournament Brob will be in next week. You can watch the games on the Magic's website.
Temple's pg Mark Tyndale will be on the Magic's roster with Brob. Other A-10 notables in the tournament include:
Stanley Burrell - Pacers
Josh Duncan - Heat
Pat Calathes - Heat
Stephane Lasme - Heat
Will Daniels - Bulls
Rashuan Freeman-Bulls
Antywane Robinson - Magic
Other players of interest:
Daquean Cook - Heat
Jamar Butler - Nets
Michael Beasely - Heat
Derrick Rose - Bulls
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I forgot former UD assistant coach Bob Beyer is now serving as Assistant Coach for the Orlando Magic.
This is better for Brian's chances to make the team perhaps?
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Beasley has a fractured sternum too and might not play, but might get cleared for contact as early as today. He doesn't want to miss the first game because it's against Rose and the Bulls.
Lasme actually played for the Heat last year and IMO held his own on the court, I was pleasantly suprised by him. All the injuries the Heat had may have given him the break he needed.
Also, in a regional thing the Heat also picked up David Padgett and have him on their summer league team too.
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Vitale also states, "Sometimes I think players tabbed in the latter part of round two would be better off as free agents, picking the best scenario for them to make a roster."
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It always amazes me how some of you guys still think Dookie V has any credibility at all! You jump on it like it was important "if" it has anything to do with UD. But Dookie V is a BSC homer who's time has past! He has zero credability in my book!
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Originally Posted by TerryK_67
But Dookie V is a BSC homer who's time has past!
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Actually, Vitale has been very supportive of "mid-majors" over the years when discussing Selection Sunday. I remember just a couple years ago he was saying that this mid-major deserved a bid and that mid-major deserved a bid, mentioning several teams, when another commentator (can't remember which one) said, Dick if every team got in that you say deserves to be in we'd have to have 80 teams. (And what is BSC?? )
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This message board is called UDPRIDE, my friend. If I see a UD mention in an article by ESPN, Sports Illustrated, or any other reputable sports media outlet, I will post it on this forum. Sure if this was DUKEPRIDE, I would not be pasting every link I see out there about Duke basketball since there are so many. However, when our little UD does get mentioned, I am proud to see it out there and will show it to all of those other proud UD fans.
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Orlando Summer League
Here's the link you need for this week:
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/sl_rosters.html
And here's our guy's team:
ORLANDO MAGIC
No. Player Pos. Ht. Wt. Birthdate Last Team/College
42 Pero Antic F-C 6-11 230 7/29/1984 Bulgaria - Lukoil Academic
40 James Augustine F 6-10 235 2/27/1984 Orlando Magic
22 Derrick Byars G 6-7 220 4/25/1984 Vanderbilt
43 Russell Carter G 6-4 220 3/30/85 Notre Dame
20 B.J. Elder G 6-4 218 9/4/1982 Georgia Tech
41 D’or Fischer C 6-10 247 10/12/1981 West Virginia
13 Marcin Gortat C 7-0 240 2/17/1984 Orlando Magic
25 Cliff Hammonds G 6-3 200 12/18/1985 Clemson
2 Kevin Kruger G 6-2 185 5/1/1983 UNLV
11 Courtney Lee G 6-5 200 10/3/1985 Western Kentucky
23 Justin Reed F 6-8 238 1/16/1982 Mississippi
3 Brian Roberts G 6-2 175 12/3/1985 Dayton
24 Antywane Robinson F 6-8 200 7/12/1984 Temple
17 Mark Tyndale G 6-5 210 1/4/1986 Temple
Head Coach: Stan Van Gundy
Assistant Coaches: Brendan Malone, Patrick Ewing, Steve Clifford and Bob Beyer
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Orlando's first game is tonight versus the Nets, starting somewhere in the area of 7-8pm (30 minuter after the 2nd game, which starts 30 min after the first game, which starts at 3pm).
Here's a link to the Orlando Summer League website...
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/summerleague.html
Video feed of all the games, with announcers, is available on the website.
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Hmmmm. Orlando did not see fit to play J.R. Reddick at all last year.
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Originally Posted by shapanud
Orlando's first game is tonight versus the Nets, starting somewhere in the area of 7-8pm (30 minuter after the 2nd game, which starts 30 min after the first game, which starts at 3pm).
Here's a link to the Orlando Summer League website...
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/summerleague.html
Video feed of all the games, with announcers, is available on the website.
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Nice find I was looking for the link. Thanks!!!!!!!
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B-Rob's first game
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Brob is wearing number 3 on the white team. He did not start.
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B-Rob is in!
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Brob played the last 5 min of first quarter. I dont think any stats for him....maybe 2 fouls committed. kind of timid, the defense is pretty tight on him and they tried trapping him a few times
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So far after 1 quarter
I have B-Rob with 1 assist and 0 field goal attempts
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With 6:50 left in the 2nd quarter
B-Rob 3 points 0/2 FG 3/4 FT 1 assist 1 steal...in just about 9 minutes
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started second quarter, missed two shots early on (second one he barely hit the backboard, thats it). then he took a charge on a fastbreak and caused a steal on a later play. fouled on one shot and hit both free throws. fouled hard (and commentators said shot should have been called goaltending) but shot didnt count and hit one of 2 free throws. i think he might have had a block down low too. he got taken out with 5 min left in 2nd quarter
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came in with a few minutes left in 3rd quarter. no shots, 1 for 2 from line.
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hit nice baseline jumper to start 4th, got blocked on the baseline for another shot. maybe one assist. taken out with 6 min left in 4th
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overall, not a really good showing for BRob unfortunately...
hope he picks it up next game
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Final Stats for Game 1
14:14 minutes played
1/5 FG
4/6 FT
6 points
1 rebound
1 assist
0 turnovers
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I recall that BR had a tough opener in the June camp and sparkled after that. Hopefully he will do it again. His competition didn't light it up tonight either. The guy from Clemson didn't play for whatever reason, and the kid from UNLV took 15 shots to score 12 points and was 1 for 5 from 3 pt.
Got 4 more games to pick up the pace. Need fewer fouls and more assists for sure. Didn't take a 3 all night.
Go Brian!!
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Steve Kyler seems to like B-Rob!
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9392
"Dayton's Brian Roberts is on Orlando's squad and while Brian may not make the Magic roster as it seems Kevin Kruger has already earned that spot, Brian played some nice basketball and rumor has it he will head to Vegas next to play with the Lakers. Brian is on the small side physically, but his game is so polished someone should bring him to training camp."
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Originally Posted by DetroitFlyer
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9392
"Dayton's Brian Roberts is on Orlando's squad and while Brian may not make the Magic roster as it seems Kevin Kruger has already earned that spot, Brian played some nice basketball and rumor has it he will head to Vegas next to play with the Lakers. Brian is on the small side physically, but his game is so polished someone should bring him to training camp."
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Not sure where he gets the ideas that Kruger is a sure thing to make the Magic (what has he done to "earn" the spot?), but maybe it comes from the fact that Kruger started over Roberts last night. Kruger went to camp last year w/ Orlando but was cut before the regular season started and spent the year in the NBDL. If it's a battle between Kruger and Roberts for a roster spot, I hope the Magic give Roberts a decent look in the rest of their summer leauge games.
Kruger's line from last night doesn't look much different from BRob's...
http://www.nba.com/media/magic/Game_3_Box_Score.pdf
Kruger played twice the minutes, had twice the points, twice the assists, but shot only 2-8 from the field and 1-6 from 3s.
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From what I saw last night, Kruger seemed to have a better control of the team and offense when he was in. He seemed more comfortable at the point then Brob did. Brob looked kind of timid and frail and had a few opportunities where he did not finish near the bucket on a drive. He seemed to be dealing with some nerves, which is an uncommon sight when we are talking about Brob. Hopefully he comes out more aggressively tonight and Patrick Ewing gives him some more playing time.
On a brighter note, the commentators mentioned that there were very few team representatives there to witness the final game, so for Brob's chances of getting signed by another team, they might not have witnessed last night. He will have more exposure today and tomorrow though.
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Brob's game starts in 30 minutes. It is reported that Kevin Durant will be playing in the game against the Magic.
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Wow.....Brob did not get off the bench the entire first half. His team is down by 18 at halftime...you have got to be kidding me... Kruger is not doing well, try someone else out.
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Originally Posted by bosoxrule
Wow.....Brob did not get off the bench the entire first half. His team is down by 18 at halftime...you have got to be kidding me... Kruger is not doing well, try someone else out.
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Looks like Orlando is giving Cliff Hammonds (who did not play last night) a look at PG (behind Kruger) in today's game, thus BRob is taking Hammonds' place on the bench in today's game.
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Brob did not play
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Hello Europe....
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Originally Posted by bosoxrule
Wow.....Brob did not get off the bench the entire first half. His team is down by 18 at halftime...you have got to be kidding me... Kruger is not doing well, try someone else out.
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Kruger may not be lighting up the scoreboard but he has almost half of the team's assists for two games with 12, against 2 TO's in 46 minutes. Bummer for BRob.
They have 3 more games to play though. Keep our fingers crossed that Brian gets some more minutes.
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Looks like at least one person thinks Kruger has hurt his chance at making the team w/ his poor summer league performance...could be good news for Brob although he needs a quality performance in the next few days to help his cause
from hoopshype.com... ( http://hoopshype.com/articles/orl_sleague08_2_kyler.htm)
"For Orlando, Kevin Kruger was “assumed” to be a lock for a roster spot in Orlando but after two sub-par Summer League games, the Magic may be looking elsewhere for a backup point guard. Kevin notched just 3 points in 20 minutes of play, but handed out 8 assists as an upside."
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Much more PT for BRob today. Tuned in w/ about 4 min left in 1st Q and he was on the floor...he played rest off 1st and till about 5 min left in 2nd Q...unfortunately didn't do much (good or bad) while on the floor
Kruger came in and replaced BRob and promptly turned it over...but he is leading Orlando w/ 13 pts so far
BTW, Rose is not playing in the game for the Bulls
Games are tough to watch but the announcers try to make up for it (as long as you don't care about what is going on in the actual game)...among the best quotes:
"Entry pass to Aaron Gray, but it didn't hit him in the chest so of course he fumbled it out of bounds."
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3rd Game
Again not a good first half by Brob. 1 shot attempt at the top of the key and hit the back of the rim. He just seems to be playing way to conservatively our there. If I could give you a comparison, I would say he looks a lot like Stephen Thomas at the point. He just dribbles up the court, passes to someone on the wing then runs the opposite way and hovers in the corner until the possession is over. No one is passing that much, so he is not getting the ball back. The one pass he did get, was an errant one that went off of his hands and out of bounds. Seems to be getting beat by the size of the opposing point guard, who gets into the lane on command.
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Played a little in 2nd half and went 1 of 2 from free throw line and missed a 3. No other shot attempts. Bleh.
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Good summary, bad news
Originally Posted by bosoxrule
Again not a good first half by Brob. 1 shot attempt at the top of the key and hit the back of the rim. He just seems to be playing way to conservatively our there. If I could give you a comparison, I would say he looks a lot like Stephen Thomas at the point. He just dribbles up the court, passes to someone on the wing then runs the opposite way and hovers in the corner until the possession is over. No one is passing that much, so he is not getting the ball back. The one pass he did get, was an errant one that went off of his hands and out of bounds. Seems to be getting beat by the size of the opposing point guard, who gets into the lane on command.
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Got to make something happen soon. May have to take some chances. That defensive observation is a killer. One guy doing worse is Burrell.
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I doubt Brob will even play tomorrow as it looks as though Cliff Hammonds will do the duty of backing up Kruger at point. He has zero chance of being invited back to Orlando's mini camp. Hopefully he does something to get back to his old ways, enough to impress the Lakers next week.
More than likely we will be reading about his stats on some Italian website next year.
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question ?
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He has zero chance of being invited back to Orlando's mini camp.
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I didn't get the meaning of that comment. Do you mean they have another later this summer--or next year??
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I think before preseason starts (prob August or September) the team has a minicamp where they fill any remaining spots on the roster. This could be wrong, but the meaning of what I said is just that I do not expect to see Brob wearing a Magic jersey anytime soon.
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It would take a "Miami - type" out-of -body performance after today. Running out of chances.
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Like we expected...
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B-Rob is headed to Vegas to play with the Lakers, he left today...those close to the situation said that he wasnt really getting a fair shake with the Magic(for some reason they like the Kruger kid) ..the Lakers really like Roberts, so he decided to get a release and head out to Vegas to meet up with the Laker team, this way he wont miss any of their games or practices..let's cross our fingers...
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Nice info ballboy!
Yea he was not getting much time out there and it looked like a lost cause for him to make the team. Now he's got a clean slate and hopefully he steps up. It looks like the Lakers are playing a game tomorrow night.
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Kevin Kruger played for his dad at UNLV. Lon Kruger is a very well respected coach in the college ranks and well connected as a former coach in the NBA. The kid put up some pretty good numbers this week.
Sometimes the planets are not alligned right. I admire BR's agent for getting him out of there.
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The Lakers team will play 6 games and the first three games will be on NBA TV:
Friday, July 11th - LA Lakers vs. Detroit, 8 p.m. (NBA TV)
Sunday, July 13th - Memphis vs. LA Lakers, 8 p.m. (NBA TV)
Tuesday, July 15th - Philadelphia vs. LA Lakers, 8 p.m. (NBA TV)
The other three will be available via NBA.com
I tried to post the Lakers summer league rost from the Lakers website, but the formatting got screwed up and it was basically unreadable (and I'm too lazy to try to fix it), so here's that link:
http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/08sum...gueroster.html
6 guards on the roster, not sure how many are PG and how many are SG
Here's a link to the entire Las Vegas league schedule...
http://www.nba.com/media/summerleagu...08schedule.pdf
And here's the link to the broadcast schedule...
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Kind of explains why....
the minimum salary in the NBA is something like $400K/yr.... It is darn hard to make a team. It is frustrating to see one of the best players at UD all time, struggle so much. Hopefully, Brian can put Florida behind him and find the promised land out west! I think this goes back as well to the whole being drafted versus the free agent route. Brian and his agent "picked" Orlando because they thought it was his best shot.... Well, it looks like they were wrong. If you are drafted, at least a team has a strong, proven interest in you, and in a summer league, you are probably going to get a fair shake. A free agent, on the other hand, almost has to walk on water to land in a camp.
I also what to chime in on the excellent coverage that has been provided on this thread! I am looking forward to reading some great news over the next few days. I just have a gut feeling that B-Rob is going to excel in LA! ( Things are going well for Jerry Blevins in Oakland so maybe California is a good state for former UD athletes to play professionally ).
Of course, let's not forget that most years we do not even get to follow the fortunes of one of our own in the summer leagues! Exciting times!
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Originally Posted by bosoxrule
Again not a good first half by Brob. 1 shot attempt at the top of the key and hit the back of the rim. He just seems to be playing way to conservatively our there. If I could give you a comparison, I would say he looks a lot like Stephen Thomas at the point. He just dribbles up the court, passes to someone on the wing then runs the opposite way and hovers in the corner until the possession is over. No one is passing that much, so he is not getting the ball back. The one pass he did get, was an errant one that went off of his hands and out of bounds. Seems to be getting beat by the size of the opposing point guard, who gets into the lane on command.
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Detroit Flyer, I think we are all rooting for Brian very hard, but let's be frank here. The assessment above was pointed and seemed pretty accurate from the games I watched, plus the published box scores. Brian is still a work-in-progress at point guard and he will have to show better than what he did in Orlando to make the necessary impression to get to a training camp in the NBA. You have to EARN playing minutes. They are not annointed.
He has been through one more step in the NBA program so let's keep our fingers crossed. This whole process is about continuous improvement.
Go Brian Roberts!
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I'd also like to thank everyone for the great B-Rob updates. I haven't been able to watch any of the games, but hopefully I'll be able to catch one of the NBA.com ones.
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The Lakers team will play 6 games and the first three games will be on NBA TV:
Friday, July 11th - LA Lakers vs. Detroit, 8 p.m. (NBA TV)
Sunday, July 13th - Memphis vs. LA Lakers, 8 p.m. (NBA TV)
Tuesday, July 15th - Philadelphia vs. LA Lakers, 8 p.m. (NBA TV)
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Interesting lineup for the Lakers which is packed with combo or #2 guards. Coby Karl probably is the closest to a PG, and then there's Brian. But as one might expect from the Lakers, most of the players with a "G" behind their name can handle the ball pretty good even if they aren't pure point guards.
It's homecoming week for the A10 on this Laker team with Roberts, Calathes, Dunston, then throw in James White from UC and Roberts has some old foes to hang with.
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As I've been watching the Orlando Summer League, I've noticed a guy very similar to Brob who looks like he might have earned a spot on an NBA roster. I have not read any news that he will be signed, but by just reading his stats, it looks like Jaycee Carroll from Utah State has a good chance of being picked up by the Nets. He has practically identical height and weight to Brob and is a laser accurate shooter too. He had a great week on the Nets team and even moved into the starter role for his final game today. He had less publicity than Brob did coming into the draft and it looks to me like he might have played his way onto the Nets roster. We'll just have to wait and see, but hopefully Brob does well with the Lakers in the upcoming days.
I don't know if anyone remembers this (or even watched the NBA Finals), aside from BinnieBombs, but I recall near the end of one of the games (can't remember which one), Kobe drove the lane then passed the ball out to a wide open three for Jordan Farmar who clanked it. Kobe put his head down, as if to say "can anyone here besides me hit a shot". I can bet Brob would hit that wide open shot 80% of the time, and hopefully the Lakers (and even Kobe since he prob has a big say in stuff) notice the shot that Brob has.
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Surpisingly, BRob played in tonights game (Lakers vs Pistons) after beating a hasty retreat from Orlando. Sadly, it was the same old story - 12 minutes he was 1 for 2 with no 3 pt attempts, 4 total pts. Hard to say how he actually played without a video feed, but 5 TOs and no assists just isn't gonna make it at PG. I hope for better in the games ahead, but it looks like Europe for our guy.
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They did have a video webcast on
http://www.nba.com/summerleague2008/
He scored the game's last 4 pts. He got fouled dribbling up the court and went to the line and hit both free throws. The other team brought the ball down the court and the ball was tipped away and Brob came up with it and had a fast break lay-up.
He showed more aggressiveness in the first half, nothing that really translated to the box score though. He drove to the hoop and dished some pretty good passes to guys down low that just did not finish.
The second half was a different story. He got pick pocketed that led to a breakaway dunk. He had an erratic dribble that went out of bounds. He made a few lazy passes that got stolen. He got trapped at half court and made what looked like an attempted alley-oop laser pass that flew out of bounds by the backboard. I am actually a little surprised that he had only 5 TOs because he seemed to be having some trouble at the controlling the ball at the point tonight. However, the other team was very quick on the defensive end and caused a lot of turnovers from a lot of the Lakers.
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As much as I love Roberts I don't think he is an NBA prospect right now. He will have to handle the ball in the NBA and he just is not that good of a ball handler. In college he made a ton of unforced turnovers so you can imagine what would happen in the NBA with a 6'5 or 6'6 long quick defender guarding him.
I think his best bet is to go away for a year or two and get some more experience playing with some good players in Europe. Whatever happens he is going to make a living playing basketball a dream that everyone on this board probably had at one time.
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Brian's not alone either. So far I would give Josh Duncan a C+, Robert's and Calathes a C-, & Burrell an F.
And where is Forbes?
Not a good A10 showing at all.
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That was probably as bad as Brian has ever played. It was kind of heartbreaking to see him making that many mistakes. I think a couple seasons in europe will really do him good if that's how it goes. He will learn more about the mechanics of the game. He will become a better passer and smarter player while playing against people consistently at a higher level than what he was used to in college. You just can't get away with any lazy passes when you're playing against guys who want that roster spot as bad as you do. He had a very, very bad passing night. I hope he can shake it off and get back to playing aggressive and moving without the ball. He is very passive when he doesn't have the ball right now. He stands around until it comes back to him. And in the moments when he does have the ball, it seems like he can't wait to get rid of it. Last night, he was about the 4th or 5th best pg who played on the lakers roster. He needs to shake this one off and forget about it. He did hit one other shot (a college threepointer) but it was negated due to a foul call. And he missed one pullup jumper from about the freethrow line.
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Brob played eight and a half minutes in the second quarter of todays game and he had 0 TOs!!! He had two assists. I felt he looked a lot better at distributing the ball today. He made crisp passes, and some pretty tough ones that threaded the needle down low. Since there is so much fouling in these summer leagues, its hard to rack up a lot of assists since so many potential scoring plays usually result in a hard foul. But I think Brob has looked good. The box score says he is 0 for 1 but hes actually 0 for 2. He missed a catch and shoot college 3 and a floater running down the lane, but the floater resulted in a put back slam on the backside for his team because the big guys converged on Brob. His one free throw was from a technical foul because of defensive 3 second call and he was chosen to shoot the free throw.
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BRob has looked pretty darn good tonight. Nothing major but as stated some nice passes and he seems to have a lot more confidence running the team than he did last game. I wish this Coby Karl would go away though. He plays like a coaches son...shoots every time he gets the ball. He is getting on my nerves. Go BRob!
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2nd half: he played 30 seconds of 3rd quarter and the whole 4th quarter. I am glad he has been getting more playing time then at Orlando. He had a nice fast move to the rim and missed a floater off the backboard but got absolutely clobbered after the shot with no foul call. Then he missed a 2 with his foot on the NBA 3 line after that. Brob hit a nice deep shot which was a college 3 from the corner but was only a 2, with a man in his face. I think he ended up getting one more assist and no turnovers for the game! I did not see it in the box score but he had a nice block on some guy taking a jump shot. How many blocks did have have in college? I bet I could count it on my hands. He hustled for loose balls and down the court on fast breaks. He really pushed the ball well tonight. I think he needs to penetrate to the hole a bit more, but other than that I think he was solid at the point today.
I see what your talking about Flyer Tom. Coby Karl insists on being an option at bringing the ball up the court everytime. Its like back in 1st grade when all the kids wanted to get the ball inbounded to them after a made basket. Your not the pg, get down the court! Let's refer to him as the Black Hole from now on, because once he gets the ball, its not coming back out.
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How many blocks did have have in college? I bet I could count it on my hands.
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Not unless you have a weird number of fingers on your hand. He had 13 blocks in his 4 year career. At least based on box scores. (0, 2, 7, 4 per year)
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That's great news that brob bounced back. The game i saw, kobe karl bugged me too. He flopped like an italian soccer player everytime he played defense. It was kinda ridiculous.
I hope this helps brian's confidence. He just needs to start hitting those shots. It will come if he gets a few more chances. Thanks for the update.
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In Vegas: Brian Roberts Fighting for a Job
Roberts was one of the players the Lakers seriously considered drafting. At 6'2", Roberts hails from Dayton and is a noted three-point shooter (44.1% career).
After a making a strong impression on the Lakers pre-draft, Roberts was disappointed not to get selected but hopes to prove himself in Vegas "I had a good workout with them before the draft. They really liked my game," said Robert to HOOPSWORLD's Bill Ingram. "I just want to go out and show them that I can play in this offense; that it's a good offense for me. I just want to fit in."
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9470
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Good find NCkevi. Thanks for posting!
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Agree, great find!
Here is the part I liked from the article:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9470
"Nonetheless the Lakers have a number of interesting prospects likely to get camp invites and a chance to make the team. In addition to Karl, the squad includes 58th pick Joe Crawford, forward Pat Calathes and guard Brian Roberts."
After Orlando, I was not feeling too good about B-Rob even being invited to a camp....
Now, help me out here, if I remember correctly, Sean Finn WAS invited to the Hornets camp, correct? So, at this point, B-Rob is still not much further ahead in the process than Sean was at this time? I suppose playing in two summer leagues might put B-Rob slightly ahead, but I did not follow Sean nearly as closely as we are following B-Rob.
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Brob did not play in tonight's Laker's game. Never a good sign.
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that B-Rob did not play BUT they do have a very large roster so maybe they just tried a few new guys. That being said the white black hole that is Coby Karl has to be leading the league in shots attempted. How do his teamates feel ablut that?
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I can't imagine the teammates liking it too much. These summer leagues are like job interviews. You really have to make yourself stand out to get picked. You know the guys sitting on the bench are rooting for the other team to do well so that their "teammates" get pulled and they are subbed in. I think Koby and his daddy Karl are the only ones who are happy to see him putting up so many shots.
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Well our guy came in during the first quarter and played until halftime. He knocked down a shot from 20 feet out. Then later in the game hit a 3 right in Drew Neitzel's face. Didn't we have a thread earlier in the year about Neitzel vs Roberts? 5 pts on 2-2 shooting. He had an assist and one TO, which really wasn't his fault. On a semi-fastbreak Brob darted a pass to what should have been a cutting Lorenzo Mata to the hoop. He had a clear lane but for some reason stopped at the free throw line...I saw the coach yelling at Mata for the play afterwards, but what can you do, Brob gets the TO.
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Oh baby Brian played a lot again in the second half. He drove to the lane and got fouled and hit free throws then with a minute left he nailed a 3 to put his team up by 5. Then next possession drove to the hoop and got fouled and made both free throws to put his team up by 5 again. However he fouled his guy who made an and one. Then next defensive possession he fouled his guy again who made an and one and then Caner Medley got a technical for the call. It was a bogus call, but the guy knocked down the free throws to tie the game. Joe Crawford hit a shot in the lane to put the Lakers up by two and they ended up winning, but Brob finished with 12 pts on 3-6 shooting, 2-3 from behind arc and 4-4 from free throw line. 2 assists, 3 TO, 2 fouls.
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To me, the most compelling stat for Brian is that through 3 games, he as zero (0) rebounds. Rebounding is a function of anticipation, hustle, strength and a knack for being near the ball. Considering the number of shots missed in these games, you'd think he would accidentally pick up an errant '3' on the long bounce.
For those interested, here are his box scores:
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looks like Brob played 25 minutes and got 12 points last night with a pair of 3s
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Yeah. If that continues, BRob could have a chance of playing for the Lakers.
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Man, if that happened i would be so conflicted. I hate the lakers. But i guess i could make a little room in my heart for brian roberts in a lakers jersey.
It's nice to see that he's bounced back from that first game with them. Are there any more games coming up, or is that it?
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I think that there are two more games, tonight and tomorrow.
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They have two more game left. One is tonight at 8:30 ET vs. the Toronto Raptors and the other one is tomorrow night vs. the Denver Nuggets at 6:30 ET. So if BRob can perform well in these 2 games, like he did the last one, he might have a chance.
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Just thought I'd let you know that BRob had 8 points in the Lakers loss to the Toronto Raptors. I guess that's pretty good. The most scored by any player in the game was 10(I forget who) so he was among the Lakers' leading scorers.
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Calathes was the player with 10 points, but he got that on 2-10 shooting. Also, Coby Karl only had 8 as well in 25 minutes. He fouled out.
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Brian put up mostly goose eggs tonight. 16 min, 0-3 FG, 0-2 3FG, 1 TO & 1 PF.
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BRob only had 3 shots in tonight's game against the Nuggets. He was 0 for 2 from 3 point range and 0 for 1 from 2 point range. He played 15+ minutes. The Lakers lost 92 to 79. We'll have to see what happens with BRob. He did well the last 2 nights(with 12 against Minnesota and 8 points against Toronto) but the other 3 games he played in were low scoring(3 against Memphis and 4 against Detroit and none tonight). But again, he only got 3 shots tonight even though he played 15+ minutes. We'll have to wait and see if he gets on the LA Lakers roster(or maybe some other team).
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I saw replays of a number of the games on archive (NBA.COM) and paid attention to when Brian was in the game. He did a fair job defensively. Although it seemed like he had a hard time keeping stronger guards from driving on him, he wasn’t exactly abused either. Offensively, he didn’t seem to have the strength and speed to drive, dish and finish when he had the opportunity, so he mostly hung around the perimeter, trying to get open and then have someone pass him the ball for a shot. This didn’t happen too often because NBA summer league ball seemed to be about a half step up from open-gym ball. This is why he didn’t score many points relative to the minutes played. I think he showed himself to be a smart and unselfish and a good team player (unlike some on that team) and did a decent job of trying to find the open man. Nevertheless, his APG/TO ratio was poor, about 0.5. What he did well was shoot the three and his free throws. He hit 50% of his 3 pt shots and all of his free throws.
All in all, he played a lot like he did at UD, despite the tougher competition. The gym ball atmosphere just did not suit his game well. I think he has an outside shot at landing on an NBA team, if he can find a team that likes his special skill package.
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Playing for Israel???
Did a search for BRob and found an announcement on Eurobasket.com, dated July 11th, that said he had just signed with an Israeli team Hapoel Gilboa-Galil Elyon. This announcment came out around the time he was playing in the NBA summer leagues, so I don't know if he is for sure going there.
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Am I the only one that gets some "buy a domain" site when clicking on the above URL?
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I get a page that has a pic of BR and the following:
Height: 188cm / 6'2''
Position: Guard
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Team: Hapeol Elyon (Israel) (2008-09)
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Thanks for informing me. Should be interesting to see how he does for Israel in the EuroBasket Summer League. I saw the profile. Let's cross our fingers that he does well in it.
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Good luck Brian, you have the skills
I believe Coby Karl filled the last open pg spot on the Lakers roster even though he shot often and poorly. The problem I see is that Brian was competing with Coby Karl for the third guard spot and there are a lot of politics to overcome there, even though Karl did not shoot well. The first two point guard spots are filled by Fisher and Farmar. The Lakers did give BR a lot of minutes to show his stuff but he rarely did. Now off to foreign leagues to hone his pg skills. But no matter where he goes, he is going to have to show what he showed UD fans the last few years---which was plenty.
As posters have said all along, it's a journey and the journey is far from over (actually I think his mom said that!).
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I forgot former UD assistant coach Bob Beyer is now serving as Assistant Coach for the Orlando Magic.
This is better for Brian's chances to make the team perhaps?
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That window closed with the Magic. Robert's poor showing and early release from the summer games put a nail in that. Add to it the Magic's signing of Carlos Arroyo, plus Anthony Johnson & Jameer and that is about $9m worth of veteran point guards under contract.
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Checking out the roster - there are a couple of recognizable names that Brian will be able to dish to: Jai Lewis (George Mason big) and Jawad Williams, former tar heel.
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I know there are probably some fans of Brian Roberts who are bummed that he did not make it to an NBA camp. However just to put it in perspective, the Mavs first opportunity to pick in the draft this year was the 51st pick (no guaranteed $$).
His name is Shan Foster and he is the SEC MVP from the past season. He was labeled a "steal" by some services.
Today he announced that he will be playing in Europe for the next year and has the Mavs blessing. It simply shows how really deep this draft was, and how really good a rookie must be to make an NBA roster his first year.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....25b0a6df.html
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
I know there are probably some fans of Brian Roberts who are bummed that he did not make it to an NBA camp. However just to put it in perspective, the Mavs first opportunity to pick in the draft this year was the 51st pick (no guaranteed $$).
His name is Shan Foster and he is the SEC MVP from the past season. He was labeled a "steal" by some services.
Today he announced that he will be playing in Europe for the next year and has the Mavs blessing. It simply shows how really deep this draft was, and how really good a rookie must be to make an NBA roster his first year.
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players from other schools make it far more often than our players....
I am one of those fans that is bummed.... Yeah, I understand the difficulty, and recently a few NBA veterans have signed to play in Europe, ( one even in Israel ), if my memory is correct. Truth be told, playing in Europe or in any foreign league is rather "ordinary". I think Andre is actually playing overseas as have many other former Flyers. Once you leave the country, you become almost invisible to all but the most rapid fans. Quick, who is Keith W. playing for currently...? How about Sean Finn?
The money overseas seems to be getting better for star players, so once you go and start making a good six figure income I think it gets even harder to take a chance on the NBA and the few slots that become available each season. Heck, B-Rob is going to make as much in his 20's, if not more, than many UD grads with 25 years of work experience....
We may have not heard the last of B-Rob in the NBA, but he will always be a very long shot now.... If I were a betting man, I would bet on B-Rob having a successful and well paying career overseas.
I hope that some of our current players break through.... It has simply been far too long since we had an NBA player....
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My point is that the benchmark we all have known, ie. a player goes either 1st or 2nd round in the NBA draft and goes to camp and makes the NBA's team as a rookie is fast fading away.
The game has passed you up DF. There is far more good talent out in the colleges today than a 30 team NBA can absorb. The dream is now getting beyond reach. The talent across the board in college is rapidly outstripping the available openings.
The A10 this year produced at least 5 players who seemed to have a chance at the NBA from our perspective (and the perspective of some satelite scouting sevices).
Burrell proved immediately that he was outmatched. It took Calathes and Roberts a bit longer. Josh Duncan probably had the best chance. No sale. Then there was Gary Forbes, the A10 POY. At under 6'5" could only be a 2 guard in the NBA. Bad defense and poor 3 pt shooter. How did that work out for him?
Xavier hasn't had a pick stick since David West 5 years ago, and X seems to be the popular A10 benchmark for the emotional fan.
Here's the skinny from Pat Calathes after the Lakers gave him a shot in summer league this year.
Calathes said he has already noticed the difference in competition between college and the NBA.
“It’s tough, man,” Calathes said. “Everyone is so much bigger and stronger. It really comes down to whether or not you can fit the role the coach has in mind for you.
It’s been a lot harder than I thought.”
The competition for the few paltry openings on only 30 teams is intense.
What folks need to understand is that some guys have one thing in mind, that is improving their technique to get another shot at the big time, money aside. Going to Europe is a stepping stone. Other guys get used to the nice check, the site-seeing, and the life of a second tier star and stay there.
I think Roberts is the former, but we'll see.
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