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Illinois State Game Thread
The game on Wednesday starts the 3 game stretch of big-time tests... Illinois State is a very good team... One of the highest scoring teams in the country (Going into Saturday, they were averaging about 81 a game, 15th in the country)
They have 2 scorers averaging at least 17 a game, (Carmichael 17.6 & Brown 17.5)
Potential Starting Lineup:
G 2 Bryant Allen 6’0” 180 JR Maplewood, Missouri
G 44 Johnny Hill 6’3” 180 SO Glendale Heights, Illinois
G 1 Tyler Brown 6’4” 185 SR Owensboro, Kentucky
F 22 Jon Ekey 6’7” 220 JR Independence, Missouri
C 32 Jackie Carmichael 6’9” 240 SR Manhattan, Kansas
If we play like how we have in the last 3, we will be just fine... Go Flyers!
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Other notable players:
G: Kaza Keane, Fr, 6'1", 185 lbs, 5.2 APG leads the team, 3.7 PPG, bad shooter (14% FT, 36% FT)
F: Jon Wilkins, Sr, 6'9", 230 lbs, 5.6 PPG, 3.2 RPG, Soft European Big, will shoot the 3
G: Nick Zeisloft, Fr, 6'4", 185 lbs, 5.1 PPG, 1.8 RPG, 1.2 APG, 48% 3pt, 25% FT
C: Jordan Threloff, So, 6'10", 255 lbs, 3.6 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 0.2 BPG, raw big, should have trobke with our athletic bigs
G: Geoffrey Allen, So, 6'6", 180 lbs, 3.5 PPG, 2.7 RPG, 0.7 APG, 3 of 5 3pt, 0-5 FT than year
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•Brown (6.3) and Allen (4.8) will take the makority of their 3 point attempts
•Carmichael is their only genuine imposing post presence. The other guys either like to play outside or are very raw. If he gets in foul trouble it is a huge dropoff.
•They get 9 steals a game, but also give up 15 TO a game. Given that and their high scoring (12th in NCAA), high assists (7th) and FG% (8th), I think they will push a very frenetic pace. 10 guys get 8+ MPG
•Carmichael's 7.3 RPG and 2.3 BPG along with his veteran leadership will be important to contain. This team plays on his and Allen's backs.
•With how thin they are in the post and how well Carmichael plays around the rim, I expect we'll see a lot of zone defense. Vee and Derenbecker may get a lot of open 3 pt looks.
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For those of you in the chicago area or with access to some sort of sports package, this game is being carried by Comcast Sportsnet-Chicago. Just noticed it on my program guide.
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Starting Lineups:
ISU: Allen, Hill, Brown, Ekey & Carmichael
UD: Dillard, Sanford, Pierre, Oliver & Benson
The two matchups to watch... JB vs. Carmichael... Can Vee defend Mr. Brown?
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as expected , very fastpaced!
gotta limit turnovers, and fouls
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The game is close because they are shooting poorly and we are rebounding very well.
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Too many threes by us and too many missed point blank.
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down 11-8 and could easily be 18-8.
they have us out of sync.
on offense, as well as defense.
Let's own this guys. Go UD!
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Derenbeckers' second shot inside the arc. No way
Missed the drive but going to the line!
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This team can be so frustrating to watch--get a TO and then they turn it over and then Carmichael with a 3 points
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Some bad turnovers by Dillard and Benson.
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don't think we've played a team that goes pell mell like this!
gotta get em out of our heads and jockstraps.
Can't match them running. gotta play 3/4 speed on offense, and lock something up on D. Geesh!
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WOW, on a pace for >25 TO's
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19-13 ISU... 12 min left in the half
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Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08
flyers have no answer for their big men...could be a long night
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Why is it that other teams don't have an answer for UD's big men?
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Our ball-handling is atrocious so far. Josh needs to be far less lackadaisical with ball. This game feels very much like the Weber State game so far.
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We just struggle with these scoring drouths.
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This is like watching BG's teams shooting 3's
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Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08
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YEP. Looks their guards have two guidelines.
1. Run it
2. find the big men down low
And 3) create havoc D against UD offense
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Archie needs to go to a zone immediately. We cannot defend this team inside.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Scott in there to see if he can slow down Carmichael. None of the interior players so far managed to do it.
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Originally Posted by kiefaber455
This is like watching BG's teams shooting 3's
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And FT's
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Need to shoot better than 50% from the FT line
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Ill State looks like Florida tonight. World Beaters!
What is this.... Loyola Marymount offense?
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That was awesome by Pierre
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Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08
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Do we possess Zone capability.?
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
Alex fouled him 3 times before they called it
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Yeah, but the ref closest to the play never called it
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What the heck Price???
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26-18 ISU... 7:50 to go in the half
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Just not playing real well or very smart!
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Originally Posted by Flyer 86
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i would hope archie works on it a bit every practice...gotta have it in the tool bag
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We are way, way too quick in shooting the ball from three-land. Price shot that ball from nearly 30 feet a couple of ticks into the shot clock. No reason to do that.
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Originally Posted by frisco flyer
That was awesome by Pierre
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Disagree, that was playground crap that happened to work. D1 college basketball is not 25 dribbles, 3 spin moves, twice through the legs, pump fake, and shoot it while 4 other guys stand and watch.
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their big guys just man handle our bigs. just bigger and stronger than benson, gavs, and robinson
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We look like crap
Just heard--Carstens calling the game. Wonderful
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Up and down we go... UD down 6... entertaining game so far, even though it has been sloppy
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A foul on Josh's layup with the body.
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agreed Gazoo.. NOt in flow of our offense.
however there is no flow tonight.
Good three ball by Pierre. Oliver struggling
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this is ugly basketball
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I wish the Channel 7 camera person would keep the camera ON THE COURT! We just missed a play!
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Cmon Price a layup
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19
Up and down we go... UD down 6... entertaining game so far, even though it has been sloppy
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Get it down to 4 and then in a split second it's back to 8
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When are we going to show some hangy-down-thingys and start to get ticked off?
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ISU shooting 80 % inside the arc.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
Disagree, that was playground crap that happened to work. D1 college basketball is not 25 dribbles, 3 spin moves, twice through the legs, pump fake, and shoot it while 4 other guys stand and watch.
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When was the last time we had wings that could do that?
I agree this was not textbook team basketball, but it is nice to see a UD wing that can handle the ball this well.
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Worst call all year. Price beat him to the spot.
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Terrible call on Price! We took a shot in the gut in the first half and came back now the first 3-4 minutes of the 2nd half will tell us a lot.
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All things considered, I'm glad it's only a two point game. We looked better toward the end of the half. We cut down on the turnovers, and started making some shots. Let's hope we come out sharper in the second half.
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Fixed that one for you-- 75% at half.
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No turnovers in the last 9 minutes, that got us back in the game.
X up by 2 on UC at the half.
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Originally Posted by kiefaber455
How bad must Devon Scott be doing in practice--4 front court guys with 2 fouls each and he doesn't see the floor until there are like 10 seconds left.
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ISU made more free throws (9) than we got to shoot (8). That's got to change.
Plus they shoot 70 % from the field inside the arc. That's really got to change.
All things considered, we should be ok if we play just a tad better in the second half.
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Oliver needs to own this half after laying an egg in the first half.
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not a good way to start the half
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Did Archie talk to these kids at half time?
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Oliver should have had that pass for an easy 2.
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And 1 for KD... UD down 2, KD to the line for the 3 pt play after the TO
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Originally Posted by jack72
No turnovers in the last 9 minutes, that got us back in the game.
X up by 2 on UC at the half.
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And they have 4 at the 16 minute TO this half
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Wow, either ISU is a superb defensive team or we just struggle with the ball.
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Boy, we sure can make some brainless fouls.
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Benson weak with the shot
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Josh: Your game is not at 18 feet...hit the baseline or put the ball on the floor!
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wow...dude throws a bow and no call...these refs are trash
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Why would it not surprise me if there was a flagrant elbow and yet no foul called on the play by Carstensens?
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Welcome to UD Matt lol... Tie game 12:15 to go
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These refs are absolutely horrible
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Nice little elbow the refs missed.
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If they play zone MD has to perform.
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Originally Posted by TommyGola
Nice little elbow the refs missed.
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ref was standing right there too...had to be blind as a bat to miss it
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Tied at 54.
If they keep playing zone I think we will be in good shape.
Let's pull away Flyers!
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Devon Oliver needs to be on the bench
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DMO struggling tonight
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Devin is really struggling tonight in every aspect of the game.
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Originally Posted by TommyGola
Josh: Your game is not at 18 feet...hit the baseline or put the ball on the floor!
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I think Josh's game is at 19 feet. No matter where he shoots from, the ball goes 19ft.
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Robinson says: I'll do you one better!
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LOL DMO! Merry Christmas!
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Need better help defense on Carmichael
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