Kansas (NCAA 2nd Round) Game Thread - Page 3

Jets Flyer · #**201** 03-22-2009, 04:13 PM

Lets pull it back to 8 and make it respectable,

DetroitFlyer · #**202** 03-22-2009, 04:13 PM

KU playing well, we are absolutely stinking up the place.... What a bummer.... We could have won this game.... Just did not seem to have any confidence today. Offense was absolutely horrible.

I think our only hope is to start hitting some threes.... Not exactly our strong suit, so time to start thinking about next year.

Man, I hate to lose this one, KU is just not that good....

Oh well, best season is a long time. Still, as I said earlier, no moral victories today, we should have and could have won this game....

Jack D · #**203** 03-22-2009, 04:13 PM

game over.

Next up...summer workouts.

Focus areas for the summer:
FTs
Jump Shots
Strength program - Searcy and Benson need to get busy in the weight room.

Need to get Rob back in shape.

Great season - exceeded my expectations.

Flyer1407 · #**204** 03-22-2009, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by For the love of the Game

It seems to me the fouls are being called in favor of Kanas....

No it's even.

cjswartz · #**205** 03-22-2009, 04:14 PM

I'm very happy with just one win in the NCAA this year. Had to get over the losing streak in the tourney. We were very overmatched today, we shot very poorly because we're a bad shooting team and because Kansas has an excellent D. Not a good combo there. What happened with Marcus this tournament? I expect KH to suck, but was very surprised to see how poorly Marcus played. Oh well. A successful year I think anyway.

Jets Flyer · #**206** 03-22-2009, 04:14 PM

They are a good team. they shut us DOWN COLD

joeybaloney · #**207** 03-22-2009, 04:14 PM

what sucks is that we could have won this game because kansas hasn't really played all that well. unfortunately we needed a big game out of little, wright, and mj; none of them delivered today.

MikeF · #**208** 03-22-2009, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08

PW looked uninspired right there. looks like our heads are out of it now

That was really awful, and in fact it might be the most disappointing thing I've seen out of Dayton today.

FlyerFanatic08 · #**209** 03-22-2009, 04:14 PM

the refs think we're playing 4th grade basketball? what kind of call is that at half court?

kortemij · #**210** 03-22-2009, 04:15 PM

Some of the most inconsistent officiating I've ever seen. We are getting hammered around the basket with no calls.

cjswartz · #**211** 03-22-2009, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by kortemij

Some of the most inconsistent officiating I've ever seen. We are getting hammered around the basket with no calls.

Don't think it matters much today. We got outplayed...big time.

C-time · #**212** 03-22-2009, 04:17 PM

CW please stop trying to drive directly at Aldrich. He has blocked you like 3 or 4 times. Try something different.

add at 4:18---CW you just did it again. Why? Would one of the assistants tell him that he is going to have to do something different

ruechalgrin · #**213** 03-22-2009, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by kortemij

Some of the most inconsistent officiating I've ever seen. We are getting hammered around the basket with no calls.

absolutely hammered around the bucket and touch fouls outside -- terrible officiating for us but they have been consistent and we have not adjusted.

Not reason we are losing, but absolutely horrible for us they way they are calling this -- consisent, but we rather have it the opposite. It helps their strengths nad neutralizes ours.

DetroitFlyer · #**214** 03-22-2009, 04:17 PM

getting owned.... How many shots has he had blocked?

masonflyer · #**215** 03-22-2009, 04:17 PM

UD basketball IQ = potato

FlyerFanatic08 · #**216** 03-22-2009, 04:18 PM

MJ just not feeling it today

Jack D · #**217** 03-22-2009, 04:18 PM

pull-up jumper?

MD Flyer Pride · #**218** 03-22-2009, 04:18 PM

No legs in our shots!

kiefaber455 · #**219** 03-22-2009, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by jack72

We finally score and Williams with no effort on D lets that slow white kid beat him down the court.

That's when you know it's over

Flyer1407 · #**220** 03-22-2009, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by kortemij

Some of the most inconsistent officiating I've ever seen. We are getting hammered around the basket with no calls.

You guys are crazy, Kansas is playing better than us. It's amazing how when things are going bad it's the refs who are at fault.

joeybaloney · #**221** 03-22-2009, 04:18 PM

marcus 1-9 from the floor. ugh

Jack D · #**222** 03-22-2009, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by DetroitFlyer

getting owned.... How many shots has he had blocked?

10 says CBS...

buckeye rich · #**223** 03-22-2009, 04:19 PM

Aldrich is going to give me nightmares...

10 blocked shots...are you kidding me??????

A triple double the hard way!

FlyerFanatic08 · #**224** 03-22-2009, 04:19 PM

man CW...get a pull up jumper. Aldrich knows you wanna go to the bucket....wow

Jets Flyer · #**225** 03-22-2009, 04:19 PM

Mickey using the rim to protect his layup.

Flyer1407 · #**226** 03-22-2009, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08

MJ just not feeling it today

MJ hasn't felt it since the Richmond game.

Jack D · #**227** 03-22-2009, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by joeybaloney

marcus 1-9 from the floor. ugh

Hey BG...sit MJ and insert PW....get the cold hand out of there....wake up....

kiefaber455 · #**228** 03-22-2009, 04:20 PM

Hopefully Chris Wright will learn how to be a more complete basketball player today after being schooled by Cole Aldrcih

IAFlyer · #**229** 03-22-2009, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by IAFlyer

When will we figure out we can't shoot over Aldrich?

Apparently not in this game.

FlyerGuyer · #**230** 03-22-2009, 04:20 PM

Is this a record for lowest field goal % in NCAA history?

maddog07 · #**231** 03-22-2009, 04:21 PM

Shame Charles will not lkely get to 1000.

We were just outgunned I this one. Can't think of anyone of our guys who played particularly well

Flyer1407 · #**232** 03-22-2009, 04:21 PM

Yeah, keep jacking up quick contested looks!

Jack D · #**233** 03-22-2009, 04:21 PM

what ever it is...we've got it today.

buckeye rich · #**234** 03-22-2009, 04:21 PM

I don't think we will score 50, strike that 45!!!

Pauley · #**235** 03-22-2009, 04:22 PM

You ususally don't win when you score 36 points in 36 minutes. No consistent perimeter shooting today.

kiefaber455 · #**236** 03-22-2009, 04:22 PM

This is an embarassment now

ruechalgrin · #**237** 03-22-2009, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Flyer1407

You guys are crazy, Kansas is playing better than. It's amazing how when things are going bad it's the refs who are at fault.

Kansas is owning us, clearly. However, if you told me that the refs would call touch fouls when we were using our athleticism for pressuring the ball and would let us play around the bucket with Aldrich, I would say that would be terrible for us. It is. Consistent and we have not adjusted. But how they are calling the game has hurt. If they were letting them play on the outside with our tough guarding and calling it tight inside, it would be better for us.

Not reason we are losing, but bad for us. Refs are consistent though and we have yet to adjust with 5 minutes to go.

Flyer1407 · #**238** 03-22-2009, 04:22 PM

MJ is scary bad today. We have given up and look content with getting run out of the gym.

masonflyer · #**239** 03-22-2009, 04:22 PM

Now they quit trying. That is unacceptable.

kortemij · #**240** 03-22-2009, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Flyer1407

You guys are crazy, Kansas is playing better than. It's amazing how when things are going bad it's the refs who are at fault.

You are right, we are definitely being outplayed, especially in the last ten minutes. But we are definitely aren't getting any calls down low.

Jets Flyer · #**241** 03-22-2009, 04:23 PM

Aldrich isn't even leaving the f'n ground!!!! we don't elevate, pump fake or go high off the glass, it's utter confusion

MikeF · #**242** 03-22-2009, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Flyer1407

You guys are crazy, Kansas is playing better than us. It's amazing how when things are going bad it's the refs who are at fault.

Just because someone criticizes the officiating doesn't mean they're laying the blame at the refs' feet.

Jack D · #**243** 03-22-2009, 04:23 PM

great effort. putrid shooting.

kiefaber455 · #**244** 03-22-2009, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by buckeye rich

I don't think we will score 50, strike that 45!!!

He!! they might not get to 40

C-time · #**245** 03-22-2009, 04:23 PM

Warm up the bus this one is all over.

Time to set up the summer shooting improvement program, and get on the recruiting trail to find some shooters for the future.

IAFlyer · #**246** 03-22-2009, 04:24 PM

Some of the worst offensive displays -- ever. We need to take out MJ, get CJ, PW and/or LF in there to shoot. We can't stop them now anyway.

captaincareful · #**247** 03-22-2009, 04:24 PM

I don't even know why I'm still watching this.

VirgM · #**248** 03-22-2009, 04:24 PM

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a mid-range jumper or an outside threat (one who could play defense, too)?

joeybaloney · #**249** 03-22-2009, 04:25 PM

all in all, a great year. sucks to get blown out, but maybe it will give the guys some motivation to get better over the summer and be even better next year.

seems like we never have put together two really good games all year long, so i am not totally surprised, although we played much worse than i thought we would.

Jack D · #**250** 03-22-2009, 04:25 PM

here's who I'd have on the court now.

LW
MP
PW
LF
CL

FlyerFanatic21 · #**251** 03-22-2009, 04:26 PM

This team will still be awesome next year.

Flyer1407 · #**252** 03-22-2009, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin

Kansas is owning us, clearly. However, if you told me that the refs would call touch fouls when we were using our athleticism for pressuring the ball and would let us play around the bucket with Aldrich, I would say that would be terrible for us. It is. Consistent and we have not adjusted. But how they are calling the game has hurt. If they were letting them play on the outside with our tough guarding and calling it tight inside, it would be better for us.

Not reason we are losing, but bad for us. Refs are consistent though and we have yet to adjust with 5 minutes to go.

I'm sorry I just haven't seen Aldrich fouling anyone. Our guys have driven into him and he's just returned to sender 10 times. Every foul on the perimeter is because we got lazy and reached.

chicago92 · #**253** 03-22-2009, 04:26 PM

I believe we played well defensively..but the same old things as playing Umass, Creighton, etc. we can't shoot. If we had shot our season average we would be right there at the end.

This year has exceeded my expectations and set me up for some big time expectations next year.

GO UD!

FlyerFanatic08 · #**254** 03-22-2009, 04:27 PM

36 pts....wow

masonflyer · #**255** 03-22-2009, 04:27 PM

The one good thing about this game is that it was only on TV in Dayton and Kansas.

C-time · #**256** 03-22-2009, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by captaincareful

I don't even know why I'm still watching this.

I'm not. I have switched over to see if Cleveland St. can make a comeback.

I just can't stand to watch the lack of offense especially after watching the great offensive display I saw last night from Gonzaga and Western Kentucky.

Jets Flyer · #**257** 03-22-2009, 04:27 PM

A painfull display offensively, on D we were exposed in the paint. couldn't stop the lob to aldrich. please score 40

DetroitFlyer · #**258** 03-22-2009, 04:28 PM

we have given up.... This is going to look like an "easy" win for KU, reinforce the negative perception of so called "mid-majors", and just go down as a very poor game for our Flyers....

Look, KU is obviously a good team. We either did not have a good game plan, or our guys just played a horrible game. I mean CW looks terrible today.... As many have pointed out, however, when you cannot make a 10 to 15 foot jump shot to save your life, a KU is going to make you look bad....

Time for some Flyer Football. Spring game April 19, 2009 at 1:00 PM. Huge battle for the starting QB slot, Jeff Pechan versus Timmy Fogerty. Let's hope for a nice weather day on April 19....

Man, even more frustrating is hearing the talking heads praise KU all around....

BUMMER, BUMMER, BUMMER.... Not really what I'm thinking, but this is a "family" board....

Jack D · #**259** 03-22-2009, 04:28 PM

need 3 more baskets for Charles....

ruechalgrin · #**260** 03-22-2009, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Flyer1407

I'm sorry I just haven't seen Aldrich fouling anyone. Our guys have driven into him and he's just returned to sender 10 times. Every foul on the perimeter is because we got lazy and reached.

We agree to disagree, when they are calling it tight inside, they would call a lot of the Aldrich body contact fouls.

Again, perhaps then we lose by 10 . . .

kiefaber455 · #**261** 03-22-2009, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Jets Flyer

We need a 4 star center

I'd settle for a 1 star right about now

I sure as he!! hope that Besnon and Searcy can become the 1st and 2nd options next year so UD doesn't have to rely on Hulesman for much playing time.

If they could then redhirt Kavanaugh ala Derrick Brown what a luxury it might be

Ready Action · #**262** 03-22-2009, 04:28 PM

UD needs basketball players plain and simple. Athlete's are great, but once you get to this level the difference is night and day.

Flyer1407 · #**263** 03-22-2009, 04:29 PM

That's pretty much a fitting ending to Kurt's year.

GFCbus · #**264** 03-22-2009, 04:29 PM

I'd agree that we got no calls in the paint while they were calling ticky tack stuff outside...and it helped kill us today...along with very poor shooting.

Looks like X is going to win their game. Good for them.

sancho · #**265** 03-22-2009, 04:29 PM

please god just break 40...

FlyerFanatic08 · #**266** 03-22-2009, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jets Flyer

A painfull display offensively, on D we were exposed in the paint. couldn't stop the lob to aldrich. please score 40

no backside help. they purposefully did that. had our guys pulled out. just some great passes into aldrich..ball pressure was key.

buckeye rich · #**267** 03-22-2009, 04:30 PM

I think it is the most impressive display of an opponet that I've ever seen. Aldrich absolutely destroyed us. Him and Collins could have beaten us by themselves today!

FlyerFanatic21 · #**268** 03-22-2009, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by GFCbus

Looks like X is going to win their game. Good for them.

Screw'em.

MD Flyer Pride · #**269** 03-22-2009, 04:31 PM

BG needs to put our walk-ons in. Give them an NCAA tourney game!

ruechalgrin · #**270** 03-22-2009, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by GFCbus

I'd agree that we got no calls in the paint while they were calling ticky tack stuff outside...and it helped kill us today...along with very poor shooting.

Looks like X is going to win their game. Good for them.

Only 10 fouls in 38 minutes is pretty impressive ....

joeybaloney · #**271** 03-22-2009, 04:32 PM

summer shooting drills. these guys should each shoot a couple hundred jump shots every day until practice starts next year. just imagine how good this team could be if we can hit the outside shot consistently

Flyer1407 · #**272** 03-22-2009, 04:32 PM

I'm glad Kansas was awful from the foul line, we could easily be down by 25-30.

Falcon7 · #**273** 03-22-2009, 04:32 PM

Yea, we got over 40 F'n points!!

Pauley · #**274** 03-22-2009, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by sancho

please god just break 40...

There you go.

ruechalgrin · #**275** 03-22-2009, 04:32 PM

please let's hit 40 and lose by less than 20

Jets Flyer · #**276** 03-22-2009, 04:33 PM

Only we will remember the WV win, all that good PR is gone!

Jack D · #**277** 03-22-2009, 04:33 PM

Walkons in....nice BG!

kiefaber455 · #**278** 03-22-2009, 04:33 PM

If Rob Lowery needs another year to get his knee straight, Perry as the backup PG would be a great idea--a PG that could actually shoot the ball

FlyerFanatic21 · #**279** 03-22-2009, 04:34 PM

Thank you Charles Little. Good luck in the future with everything you do.

Jack D · #**280** 03-22-2009, 04:34 PM

Charles falls just short of 1000. Congrats on a great UD career!!!

joeybaloney · #**281** 03-22-2009, 04:34 PM

hats off to CL. we're gonna miss you, Chuck.

Falcon7 · #**282** 03-22-2009, 04:36 PM

Why, no or very little CJ today?

MD Flyer Pride · #**283** 03-22-2009, 04:36 PM

Hey, it was a GREAT season! Nice job, Flyers! Next year will be even more fun! Can't wait!

Go Flyers!

Flyer1407 · #**284** 03-22-2009, 04:39 PM

27-8, 2nd place in the A10, an NCAA tournament win before losing to the defending National Champs. All this with all but 1 player returning....

This year was fun and had some GREAT moments. Next years team has a chance to be scary good and do some special things.

Viperstick · #**285** 03-22-2009, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by maddog07

Shame Charles will not lkely get to 1000.

We were just outgunned I this one. Can't think of anyone of our guys who played particularly well

Looked like the last several plays were designed to get Charles a touch. That's class.

Thank you Flyers, this was a great, great season.

Buster Goode · #**286** 03-22-2009, 04:39 PM

we shot so bad, but it would have been nice if we would have got a few calls

Jack D · #**287** 03-22-2009, 04:39 PM

The real shame is that if we shoot on our average, this would have been a good game.

NYCFLYER · #**288** 03-22-2009, 04:41 PM

Thank you Dayton Flyers for a great season and a tremendous effort.

jack72 · #**289** 03-22-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Flyer1407

I'm sorry I just haven't seen Aldrich fouling anyone. Our guys have driven into him and he's just returned to sender 10 times. Every foul on the perimeter is because we got lazy and reached.

Every replay they show of Aldrich blocking a shot he commits a foul. He either fouls on the arm or the body. Feel sorry for CW, because he is going right into him and never got the call.

IAFlyer · #**290** 03-22-2009, 04:43 PM

We don't need a center as much as we need shooters. We have had way too many games this year (@X, @STL, Auburn, and this one) where our shooting was awful.

When we can penetrate, we can score. KU did not let that happen today. Good defense/strategy on their part. They wouldn't even guard LW out there -- we can't have that.

kiefaber455 · #**291** 03-22-2009, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Flyer1407

27-8, 2nd place in the A10, an NCAA tournament win before losing to the defending National Champs. All this with all but 1 player returning....

This year was fun and had some GREAT moments. Next years team has a chance to be scary good and do some special things.

...if they all hit the gym this summer and take a 1,000 shots a day--learn to become basketball players, not just great athletes.

joeybaloney · #**292** 03-22-2009, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Jack D

The real shame is that if we shoot on our average, this would have been a good game.

this really was like the creighton, umass, and charlotte games where we just couldn't hit a shot. hopefully next year that wont be the case.

guys can work on their shooting. michael redd, for example, wasn't a great jump shooter his first few years in the nba. supposedly he spent the summer shooting 4-500 jump shots each day and became one of the better shooters in the game. hopefully some of our guys will do the same.

flyerpassion · #**293** 03-22-2009, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by kiefaber455

Sorry, today Huelsman doesn't have it at both ends of the floor

Does he ever??!!??!!

Look, I hate having KH play all of the time...but it wouldn't have matterd today....We had NOBODY who could handle Aldrich down low. Period. And CW apparently just doesn't get it...he continued and continued and continued to try to take it to him. I bet he got blocked 4 or 5 times by Aldrich! The whole team was bad today....OFFENSIVELY. Our Defense played excellently....THIS is why I say that the cliche: Defense Wins Championships is completely ridiculous. You have to be able to throw it in to the ocean to win championships!!!!!

FlyerGuyer · #**294** 03-22-2009, 04:54 PM

Great season. Good luck CL. Looking forward to next season!

jack72 · #**295** 03-22-2009, 04:56 PM

22% shooting. No one, and I mean no one, shot the ball even close to good today. They all had a chance. But it happens, the team was aware, so they start to press and get tight and rush shots and it just snowballs.

Wow! What a year!! I still can remember riding over to the first game on the bus from the parking lot talking to a stranger telling him this team will be better than last year. You will be amazed how much better they play without depending on Roberts. And wait till you see these Freshman, they are very good.

So here we go, next year you will not be so amazed, because out expectations have been heightened, but you will be amazed!

Glassman · #**296** 03-22-2009, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by MikeF

Just because someone criticizes the officiating doesn't mean they're laying the blame at the refs' feet.

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin

Kansas is owning us, clearly. However, if you told me that the refs would call touch fouls when we were using our athleticism for pressuring the ball and would let us play around the bucket with Aldrich, I would say that would be terrible for us. It is. Consistent and we have not adjusted. But how they are calling the game has hurt. If they were letting them play on the outside with our tough guarding and calling it tight inside, it would be better for us.

Not reason we are losing, but bad for us. Refs are consistent though and we have yet to adjust with 5 minutes to go.

Agree that Kansas owned us. We just seemed off today from the start and had no answer for Aldrich. Wish it would have been closer.

I did think the refs were back and forth. Seemed to let the game be physical for a couple minutes and then started calling petty fouls for a couple minutes. I don't think the officiating cost us the game. Just another aggravating factor to watch.

Great season! Let's make it an even better season next year.