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No 1 seeds are gone
First time in the era of seeding (1979) that none of the #1 seeds make the elite 8. The transfer rules and covid year make it a new era.
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Can't imagine there's a bracket left standing.
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Only 2 teams have won the NCAA Championship in the last 25 seasons where that championship is their only one ever. Meaning as of today they have one championship in NCAA tournament history. That's 2 out of 25 seasons, Maryland and Virginia. So currently that only happens once every 12.5 seasons.
There's only one team left that's won at least one NCAA tournament. UConn. I'm betting on them from here on out.
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Maybe the portal has started to churn through the ranks of players moving about from one place to place, finding a fit, a coach or a system that plays to their strengths and hides any weakness.
Then again it may all be attributed to March Madness!
Does the ease to transfer and the ability to have coaching staff evaluate a player at the portal give a better insight to the players ability at the collegiate level rather than some HS games?
There has to be some advantage to utilizing the portal. It's like 'free agency' without (so far) any rules placed on that method as in the NFL and MLB.
Can we see more samples of this in future NCAAT games.
With there be a 'new' parity?
Will UD take/see some of this?
Will UD's "Par-ity" enable the fan base to "Par-ty"?
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I’ve thought from the beginning that the transfer portal would be more helpful than hurtful for UD. Despite the bend on this board, UD has a solid reputation in basketball circles. AG does as well. We need to be more proactive in combining some big hits in recruiting with hits in the portal. It’s tough to build a 19’-‘20 team from the ground up. Look at the current front court. Deuce was a big recruiting hit, and Camara was a big transfer hit. Unfortunately, our 2 guard transfer hasn’t had the same success. Our PG recruit has had moderate success. I think managing the transfer portal recruiting requires a coach to identify misses earlier. It allows for it, which should be helpful for AG as he has had big recruiting hits AND misses. AG just needs to be more aggressive in the portal. It might be a great idea to hire an assistant who understands how to recruit in the portal. Could be huge for UD.
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I was happier to see a particular 3 Seed get bit*h slapped . . .
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Originally Posted by NJFlyr71
Maybe the portal has started to churn through the ranks of players moving about from one place to place, finding a fit, a coach or a system that plays to their strengths and hides any weakness.
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NIL, no-sit transfers, and the portal have to be related to something just happening that hasn't happened since 1979.
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Who is left?
UConn...4 seed
Kansas State...3 seed
Texas...2 seed
Florida Atlantic...9 seed
San Diego State...5 seed
Creighton...6 seed
Miami...5 seed
Gonzaga...3 seed
Still dominated by the p5/BE, some new faces among those teams though...traditional blue bloods have lost already...seems like some non-p5's often make it this far.
I like the new results, a wider array of teams IMO have a shot at the title.
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03-25-2023, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ud2
Who is left?
UConn...4 seed
Kansas State...3 seed
Texas...2 seed
Florida Atlantic...9 seed
San Diego State...5 seed
Creighton...6 seed
Miami...5 seed
Gonzaga...3 seed
Still dominated by the p5/BE, some new faces among those teams though...traditional blue bloods have lost already...seems like some non-p5's often make it this far.
I like the new results, a wider array of teams IMO have a shot at the title.
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Yeah, as far as conference representation, P6s plus Gonzaga plus surprises, not much changed only the seedings. I wonder if it's as simple as that it's taking teams from the P6s longer to gel with all the new players from the portal and that's keeping the seeding they earn vs the quality of the team late in the season from jiving.
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I don’t know if I’d say the Elite Eight is “dominated” by the P5+, but the majority (5/8) of who’s left is from that bucket of conferences. And yes, it is refreshing to see 3 schools from Mid-Major conferences among the final 8.
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Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer
I’ve thought from the beginning that the transfer portal would be more helpful than hurtful for UD. Despite the bend on this board, UD has a solid reputation in basketball circles. AG does as well. We need to be more proactive in combining some big hits in recruiting with hits in the portal. It’s tough to build a 19’-‘20 team from the ground up. Look at the current front court. Deuce was a big recruiting hit, and Camara was a big transfer hit. Unfortunately, our 2 guard transfer hasn’t had the same success. Our PG recruit has had moderate success. I think managing the transfer portal recruiting requires a coach to identify misses earlier. It allows for it, which should be helpful for AG as he has had big recruiting hits AND misses. AG just needs to be more aggressive in the portal. It might be a great idea to hire an assistant who understands how to recruit in the portal. Could be huge for UD.
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I agree especially with what I highlighted in bold, and I hit on that in another thread. We’ve had a few great “hits” in recruiting, and some good “hits” as well, but way more “misses”, especially recently.
Give me a Trey Landers, or a Chris Johnson, or a Sean Finn any day of the week. Someone who doesn’t come with the greatest press clippings, but has a good attitude and a solid work ethic, who can develop into a solid starter for a winning team. There’s too big of a gap between our strongest performers and our weakest performers. We need more “solid” guys.
It’s like the Reds of 8-10 years ago, after they let Dusty Baker go. They committed too much to too few players, to the point that, once you got past Votto and Frazier in the batting order, you didn’t have much to worry about. Deuce getting triple teamed in the post is similar. In baseball, you take your chances with the powerless .230 hitter. In hoops, you take your chances with the 30% FG shooter. And just as the Reds needed more .270 hitters, we need more 45% FG shooters.
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SDSU still has five players from their 2019/20 roster - they were a projected 1 or 2 seed in the Covid non-tournament.
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Originally Posted by Glen Clark
SDSU still has five players from their 2019/20 roster - they were a projected 1 or 2 seed in the Covid non-tournament.
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At the end of the regular season three of the top 5 ranked teams were so called mid majors. Zags, Flyers and Aztecs.
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Originally Posted by UD62
At the end of the regular season three of the top 5 ranked teams were so called mid majors. Zags, Flyers and Aztecs.
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SDSU finished ranked 6. Kansas, Gonzaga, Dayton, Florida St. and Baylor rounded out the top 5.
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Don't tell me politics and sports aren't connected . . .
"Since 2016, California has been steadily adding to its list of U.S. destinations barred from state-funded travel. The practice began in retaliation to North Carolina enacting a law requiring people to use the bathrooms that corresponded with their biological sex.
State Sen. Toni Atkins is seeking to overturn the prohibition, saying that the cumbersome regulations should be replaced with a marketing campaign promoting inclusion.
The San Diego State men's basketball team, for example, made the Final Four for the first time in its history, but is banned from paying for travel to Texas to compete. The NCAA is footing the bill, according to San Diego State."
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Originally Posted by N2663R
The San Diego State men's basketball team, for example, made the Final Four for the first time in its history, but is banned from paying for travel to Texas to compete. The NCAA is footing the bill, according to San Diego State."
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Doesn't NCAA pay travel expenses for teams in the tournament regardless of where you are from? Bus if under like 350 miles , flights if further
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I got slammed by several 2 years ago when I simply refused to believe the world was coming to an end with all the conference realignment, transfer chgs and this was before NIL had settled in. My point then and I still believe today that this new environment could actually help UD in the long run.
While there is still tons sort out and the pendulum will continue to swing as power teams adjust to the new normal, this year at least shows schools that play the portal properly and that have good coaching can succeed at the highest levels.
Not only from the FF entrants but from teams that arose and arrived on the scene from the depths of despair.
KSU is an example of a team that was a trainwreck the past 3 years and really hadn't been a serious contender in the B12 for many years in the past 20.
NW and PSU both had only 5 winning records in previous 20 yrs and they were in this year. PSU had a real solid team.
It's way too early to draw conclusions but it could be more difficult to build a regular contender if you aren't a blue blood but also easier to hit higher waters for a year or two at schools that have typically been pretenders.
It will be interesting to track this over the next 10 years to see what trends occur and what settles in as the new normal.
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Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer
I got slammed by several 2 years ago when I simply refused to believe the world was coming to an end with all the conference realignment, transfer chgs and this was before NIL had settled in. My point then and I still believe today that this new environment could actually help UD in the long run.
While there is still tons sort out and the pendulum will continue to swing as power teams adjust to the new normal, this year at least shows schools that play the portal properly and that have good coaching can succeed at the highest levels.
Not only from the FF entrants but from teams that arose and arrived on the scene from the depths of despair.
KSU is an example of a team that was a trainwreck the past 3 years and really hadn't been a serious contender in the B12 for many years in the past 20.
NW and PSU both had only 5 winning records in previous 20 yrs and they were in this year. PSU had a real solid team.
It's way too early to draw conclusions but it could be more difficult to build a regular contender if you aren't a blue blood but also easier to hit higher waters for a year or two at schools that have typically been pretenders.
It will be interesting to track this over the next 10 years to see what trends occur and what settles in as the new normal.
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I'm telling you that what you're seeing is very temporary.
I'd compare it to this. Let's say I'm the king of automobile dealerships. I'm so successful, I keep such a huge inventory of the most popular cars and am able to undercut my competitors. Then out of the blue, the factory cost of those cars drop significantly. All the smaller dealerships start loading up and I have to sit on the sidelines because my inventory is full and I have no place to put them. I will now have to lower my sales price and probably take a loss to clear out inventory but once I do that, the party's over for the others as I will then join the party with all my resources and undercut the hell out of them while making a huge profit.
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan
Doesn't NCAA pay travel expenses for teams in the tournament regardless of where you are from? Bus if under like 350 miles , flights if further
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The NCAA pays for flights for up to 75 people for schools in the NCAA tournament that need to travel more than 350 miles to a game. The NCAA pays for up to 100 people for teams playing in the Final Four.
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I believe they changed it to 400 miles for flights now because there was a men's team (can't remember who) and a women's team, Holy Cross, that were like 380 miles and the NCAA wouldn't pay for a charter flight so they either had to bus, fly commercial or find their own charter service.
When you include pep band and cheerleaders is 100 spots enough to get everybody there?
UConn flew on the Patriots charter plane today. Not sure if the NCAA paid for that or if Kraft donated it.
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Originally Posted by N2663R
Don't tell me politics and sports aren't connected . . .
"Since 2016, California has been steadily adding to its list of U.S. destinations barred from state-funded travel. The practice began in retaliation to North Carolina enacting a law requiring people to use the bathrooms that corresponded with their biological sex.
State Sen. Toni Atkins is seeking to overturn the prohibition, saying that the cumbersome regulations should be replaced with a marketing campaign promoting inclusion.
The San Diego State men's basketball team, for example, made the Final Four for the first time in its history, but is banned from paying for travel to Texas to compete. The NCAA is footing the bill, according to San Diego State."
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They better take the payment out of their NCAA share.
EDIT: I should have read the entire thread, it looks like this is fake news
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