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No NIT for UD

This just in from JABLONSKI. UD is declining any post seasonopportunities

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And this train wreck of a season mercifully comes to an end.
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I can’t imagine walking away from the opportunity to compete. The injuries weren’t so serious that they would have declined an NCAA Tournament invite. Disappointing.
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I can’t imagine walking away from the opportunity to compete. The injuries weren’t so serious that they would have declined an NCAA Tournament invite. Disappointing.
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I think from what I heard AG say to Larry on the post game show, it would delay decisions from all the players involved at deciding on next level evals such as DaRon and Camara. Also, it delays surgeries for Mali and Elvis, possibly creates even worse injuries for all involved. I agree with it; Dayton can't host a home game anyway; they're all too banged up to make a run anyway, shut it down.
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AG said absolutely none of that, quit lying
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Good, I can now spend the early week filling out my brackets while watching who all abandon this sinking ship at the same time.

Camara, Deuce, Blakney, Mike, Amzil, Zimi and Amaefule. I can see any and all leaving.

As for Brea, I can only hope he decides to go to much lower conference where he belongs.
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That's awful. That's like to taking your toys and going home. Shame on Dayton. That's not the example you want to set for young people.
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I have to think about this move for awhile.
Bad precedent.
We went to Toledo and Vandy last year without Mali and
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Gut reaction......I don't like the UD decision.
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If Mali and others need surgery, it's not worth jeopardizing next season more serious injuries in the NIT
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.....playing in NIT would have made it tough on Brea, Blankley and MM without Mali and Elvis, but tough situations make you better. Might have made them better for next year when injuries occur.
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If Mali and others need surgery, it's not worth jeopardizing next season more serious injuries in the NIT
Not real hard to figure out. Mike’s hobbling and Elvis and Mali need serious rehab or surgery.
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Did anyone consider all the sweater vest opinions on not playing in the prestigious NIT?
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If true, terrible decision. I have zero respect for this gutless decision...stupid.
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Did anyone consider all the sweater vest opinions on not playing in the prestigious NIT?
We should have a moment of silence for them. It's what they live for.
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If true, terrible decision. I have zero respect for this gutless decision...stupid.
lol give me a break
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It is true. Period.
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I'll check back on Selection Sunday 2024 and see how good/bad this decision was.

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How did I know the sweater vest brigade would be in favor of playing in the NIT.

This is not 1971. Nobody cares about the NIT.

And as for watching this team play one more time - have you not seen enough?
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I think from what I heard AG say to Larry on the post game show, it would delay decisions from all the players involved at deciding on next level evals such as DaRon and Camara. Also, it delays surgeries for Mali and Elvis, possibly creates even worse injuries for all involved. I agree with it; Dayton can't host a home game anyway; they're all too banged up to make a run anyway, shut it down.
Oh, give me a break. The whole college basketball world is going to be focused on The Big Dance for the next 3 weeks, many player transfer decisions will not happen until the ncaat concludes.

I hate this decision to skip the NIT, a very defeatist attitude IMO.

AG, this is a bad decision!!!
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Oh, give me a break. The whole college basketball world is going to be focused on The Big Dance for the next 3 weeks, many player transfer decisions will not happen until the ncaat concludes.

I hate this decision to skip the NIT, a very defeatist attitude IMO.

AG, this is a bad decision!!!
It was a team decision.
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Then leave them home. Just play the healthy guys. We need all the practice we can get.
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How did I know the sweater vest brigade would be in favor of playing in the NIT.

This is not 1971. Nobody cares about the NIT.

And as for watching this team play one more time - have you not seen enough?
The SVB are all on board together on many baffling issues. Keep Grant until he decides it's time to leave. Got to the NIT. Never go to the Big East it's too hard.

I'm starting to think they're all related. The NCAA tournament is also too hard in their eyes so the NIT should be the goal and who better to get us an invite into that loser's tournament every year than Anthony Grant?
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At no point do you ever hold AG responsible for results. Per your arguments we don’t need AG since it’s always the teams fault that we didn’t play in NIT, make a pass, make a basket, have a game plan, know our teams strengths/weakness and what we lacked, bringing in players to sit bench for 2 years, etc. I wonder how I become a coach since it seems pretty easy to just blame players
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That is not a good sign then IMO as far as morale is concerned. They have decided to quit on the season. Competitors should want to play.
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I will bet that Neil asked Grant if they wanted to play in the NIT.
Grant went to the team and asked them.
And I bet the majority of the team voted no.

Camara and Holmes are likely gone, why risk injury? Its like a football player sitting out a meaningless bowl game. So they voted no.

I bet Blakney voted no because he did not even want to play today

Zimi and Richard probably voted no because they dont play anyway

Smith and Elvis and Mike voted no because they are banged up.

Brea gets no vote as you have to actually make a shot to get a vote.

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The angst over turning down the NIT is ridiculous. Our roster is a hospital ward, the players wanted no part of it, the tournament is meaningless. Xavier won the thing last year but most of their fans were hoping they’d decline a bid. We should all be happy to call it quits on this season. If we had four or five freshmen, it might be a different story. But there’s not even a semblance of “experience” to gain from the NIT. Best to put this disappointing season to bed.
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Remember when this board did not like the idea of the A10/MW challenge because there weren't enough good teams in the MW and UD might not get a good partner every year? The MW just put four teams in the tournament and the A10 only put in the auto bid. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
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It was a team decision.
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Moot point, but are we all sure we would even get an invite to that awful NIT tourney anyway?
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Moot point, but are we all sure we would even get an invite to that awful NIT tourney anyway?
Well, we will never know now!
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I totally agree with AG and the team deciding not to play in the NIT. Nothing to gain from it and could possibly injure some of the walking wounded further.

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I reserve judgment until we know the full extent of the injuries on the team.
If this was done in the best interest of the players, I’m all for it.
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This NIT bracketology had us playing Cincinnati.

And wouldnt we also have to play pretty much on the road every game anyway since the First Four is at the arena? So UD would not really benefit much financially either
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At no point do you ever hold AG responsible for results. Per your arguments we don’t need AG since it’s always the teams fault that we didn’t play in NIT, make a pass, make a basket, have a game plan, know our teams strengths/weakness and what we lacked, bringing in players to sit bench for 2 years, etc. I wonder how I become a coach since it seems pretty easy to just blame players
Your wasting your breath with this guy, he called AG the greatest coach in UD history
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AG is the coach. What he says goes. We have enough healthy guys to field a team.
I knew for a fact that Malachi Smith indicated a few weeks ago on the Monday night show that he was waiting for surgery as soon as the season ended, and he also indicated that Kobe Elvis was going to do the same thing. Now if Mike has tweaked his knee and needs surgery, that’s three of them. I imagine to TC and Holmes want to get on with their pro eval’s. The same might be said from Amzil- via Europe. Who you going to start if all the above happens?
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I knew for a fact that Malachi Smith indicated a few weeks ago on the Monday night show that he was waiting for surgery as soon as the season ended, and he also indicated that Kobe Elvis was going to do the same thing. Now if Mike has tweaked his knee and needs surgery, that’s three of them. I imagine to TC and Holmes want to get on with their pro eval’s. The same might be said from Amzil- via Europe. Who you going to start if all the above happens?
Whoever can play, that's who. We are acting like we don't need more practice. Give the bench guys some extended run. We have enough guys that are healthy to field a team.
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It is an absolute bad look, but let’s take a look at the roster. 10 scholarship plus walk-ons. Take out Elvis,Mali and Mike. Even if all else on board that leaves Brea, RJ and walk-ons at guard. Maybe CAG could have coached a masterful game and had some fun against a better team but odds are it would have been ugly and not helped the three bigs. I hate it but I get it.
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I reserve judgment until we know the full extent of the injuries on the team.
If this was done in the best interest of the players, I’m all for it.
We have seen so many leg braces this year, and the guys with them are not moving normally. I have been holding my breath when they had to make difficult moves. I think it might be a good idea to allow those guys to get right to surgery prep if they need it and avoid more serious complications. Just my take.
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Pure pouting. Hubert isn't going to last long in Carolina.

I don't get it. Anyone who has played sports wants to play. If these players didn't want to play, then that explains a lot about their fortitude.
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By the way, does this mean we can add 2023 NIT Championship flag along side the 2020 NCAA Championship flag that AG "earned"?
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I think it was the correct decision. What was to be gained by playing with an injured team? Many of the people that are complaining about not play are always saying what a worthless tournament the NIT is. Finally, the tirades against the “red sweater brigade” are real old. (I have been a UD fan for over 60 years and I wear a red polo). We are the fans that have always supported the Flyers and are not the fair weather fans most of you are. We want to win but we love our Flyers. Life is too short to ***** about everything, enjoy. OK now have at me.
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I reserve judgment until we know the full extent of the injuries on the team.
If this was done in the best interest of the players, I’m all for it.
I know the air is better out there in CA but when do you think you or anyone outside the program walls was going to 'know' the full extent of the injuries on the team.

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We are playing? Below says yes.

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We are playing? Below says yes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023...ion_Tournament
You didn't read the declined section.
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Brady Uhl for player-coach.

Who says no?
Maybe in the NIT?
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So we play in the NIT or like I say it should be the NItT for Not In the Tournament (or at least the one that about 95% of BB fans are really interested in).

With what everyone has seen with all the warts of this team at the moment PLUS the walking wounded, and playing against what would most likely be a respectable team in their house away ... where we have not been that good (just refer to the StL game) what would be the outcome? Another blown lead? Another injury to someone new or aggravated injury to one already wobbled?

Me thinks there are too many 'tuff guys' not playing the game posting on here right now.

Disappointed YES. But it didn't just happen today. It has been brewing all da@n season long. Who would enjoy another away game melt down or worse?
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A mess has been created on the Hilltop!
DARE I SAY the mess was a hot mess for enough of the season that it didn't just happen TODAY.

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You didn't read the declined section.
Yes, we are not in the NIT field.

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So we play in the NIT or like I say it should be the NItT for Not In the Tournament (or at least the one that about 95% of BB fans are really interested in).

With what everyone has seen with all the warts of this team at the moment PLUS the walking wounded, and playing against what would most likely be a respectable team in their house away ... where we have not been that good (just refer to the StL game) what would be the outcome? Another blown lead? Another injury to someone new or aggravated injury to one already wobbled?

Me thinks there are too many 'tuff guys' not playing the game posting on here right now.

Disappointed YES. But it didn't just happen today. It has been brewing all da@n season long. Who would enjoy another away game melt down or worse?
So you quit because you're afraid to lose? Or worse, get embarrassed?
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You accept the scholarship, but you will refuse to play in the nations 100-year-old-tradition? But if UD won today, then same players would have played this week in NCAA?? Wow!! Bull****!

You always say yes to the NIT so the rest of team can play the games and get the experience. So UD does not want more national TV with games against the likes of Vandy, Florida, Oka. State, Wash State, Villanova, Wisconsin? Yay, I guess you folks are right, Dayton doesn't belong in the NIT. UD doesn't want to be like Xavier, you know, NIT Champs to NCAA 3 seed the next year...nope UD is an NCAA program.

Wait, hold on, the phone is ringing, it's the Big East, and they want to talk Sullivan, Grant, and Bedell, it all comes with the UD Package. Oh and we have $76 Million Puffed-Out Hallway, for which UD should utilize to bid for the NIT final four to be brought to, so we can all purchase more over-priced tickets to a tournament we fund and attend, that UD will not be playing in. CRAZY!

There is no "sweeter crowd", just common sense, you never pass the chance to play great programs on National TV, that's just dumb. The UD administration thinks they have a place in the basketball world, for which they do not have. They "Woke" up one day, clueless and tone deaf to reality. They don't live or function "On the Bubble, but rather they are trapped "In-the-Bubble". The season is not a trainwreck, as the injuries explain the season, but, the management of the program and the athletic department, has turned into its on fubard cluster Frick, in every way.

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If no NIT = AG gone, then I'm good with this
Even if this was the case, UD still should have played in the NIT. Appoint one of the assistant coaches as the interim head coach and have that assistant coach be the head coach during the NIT games.

If that interim coach is being considered for the UD head coaching position to replace Grant, then he can interview with UD and coach the team in the NIT at the same time.

He could use the NIT games as an opportunity to display his coaching chops and as an on-the-job interview of sorts.
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You accept the scholarship, but you will refuse to play in the nations 100-year-old-tradition? But if UD won today, then same players would have played this week in NCAA?? Wow!! Bull****!

You always say yes to the NIT so the rest of team can play the games and get the experience. So UD does not want more national TV with games against the likes of Vandy, Florida, Oka. State, Wash State, Villanova, Wisconsin? Yay, I guess you folks are right, Dayton doesn't belong in the NIT. UD doesn't want to be like Xavier, you know, NIT Champs to NCAA 3 seed the next year...nope UD is an NCAA program.

Wait, hold on, the phone is ringing, it's the Big East, and they want to talk Sullivan, Grant, and Bedell, it all comes with the UD Package. Oh and we have $76 Million Puffed-Out Hallway, for which UD should utilize to bid for the NIT final four to be brought to, so we can all purchase more over-priced tickets to a tournament we fund and attend, that UD will not be playing in. CRAZY!

There is no "sweeter crowd", just common sense, you never pass the chance to play great programs on National TV, that's just dumb. The UD administration thinks they have a place in the basketball world, for which they do not have. They "Woke" up one day, clueless and tone deaf to reality. They don't live or function "On the Bubble, but rather they are trapped "In-the-Bubble". The season is not a trainwreck, as the injuries explain the season, but, the management of the program and the athletic department, has turned into its on fubard cluster Frick, in every way.
BE doesn’t care if we play in the NIT. They are looking for teams consistently in the big boy tournament
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BE doesn’t care if we play in the NIT. They are looking for teams consistently in the big boy tournament
Seton Hall and Villanova are playing in the NIT this year, they value the NIT experience. I guess we think we are better than them, lol.
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Seton Hall and Villanova are playing in the NIT this year, they value the NIT experience. I guess we think we are better than them, lol.
They both have coaches in their 1st year with the program and don’t have injury issues, but go on
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What's the benefit to the program playing in the NIT when the team is riddle with injuries?
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Seton Hall and Villanova are playing in the NIT this year, they value the NIT experience. I guess we think we are better than them, lol.
You missed the word consistently. Villanova could play in the next 5 NITs and still have a better last 10 years post season than us
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A10 gets one auto bid to the NCAA and none in the NIT...banner year for the A10. Something better change quickly with either the A10 or Dayton or we are both going down like the Titanic.
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What's the benefit to the program playing in the NIT when the team is riddle with injuries?
Yep and not only that but I believe AG is probably gone which means why waste another week or two when you need to get a coach in there ASAP to try to salvage his existing personnel as much as he can, get a leg up on recruiting the final month and scour the waiver wire for transfers because, imo, the transfer portal will be unprecedented for UD this year in getting a full squad..

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The theories are running wild tonight.
No kidding. We were 13 points from an NCAA berth, an invite to the BE, a 5 year extension to AG's contract, Toumoni Camara coming back, DaRon Holmes being named A10 Tournament MVP, this thread not existing, etc. . . 13 lousy points.
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Yep and not only that but I believe AG is probably gone which means why waste another week or two when you need to get a coach in there ASAP to try to salvage his existing personnel as much as he can, get a leg up on recruiting the final month and scour the waiver wire for transfers because, imo, the transfer portal with be unprecedented for UD this year in getting a full squad..
If AG is stepping away, it’s huge that he do it as soon as possible. We would need as much time as possible to replace AG, hire his staff, determine what players will stay, talk to recruits in the pipeline, and hit the portal. That’s no small task. Other schools are able to do it, and UD has the resources to pull it off.
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Grant should say, we are not going to the NIT because I failed to recruit and develop enough players to take the place of three injured.

When the Bengals lost four of five starters on the offensive line did they just hang it up? No, the coach said next man up and they almost made the Super Bowl. I guess Grant failed to get the next man up.
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There are theories running wild?? Well, okay, maybe, but not about the NO NIT. Not about UD declining the NIT. That's not a rumor, but rather more silly management theory. UD should offer a degree program in SILLY MANAGEMENT THEORY. The only school that could do it better is SMU in the 1980's.
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Totally the right decision. To backtrack I think Grant should have taken time off August to say November, due to his daughter's suicide.

Then add the injuries. All we could know also are that Brea and others ate hitting the portal. So all combined. Shut it down!
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I'm not a betting man, but if I was, I would put a lot of money on injuries not being the only factor in this decision...

I assume we'll know more about the other factors by the end of the week.
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Totally the right decision. To backtrack I think Grant should have taken time off August to say November, due to his daughter's suicide.

Then add the injuries. All we could know also are that Brea and others ate hitting the portal. So all combined. Shut it down!
I don't think anybody knows the right way to handle that and that included AG. AG took alot of the summer off to the point that it may have driven him crazy and he needed to focus on his 2nd family which were those coaches and players.
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There are theories running wild?? Well, okay, maybe, but not about the NO NIT. Not about UD declining the NIT. That's not a rumor, but rather more silly management theory. UD should offer a degree program in SILLY MANAGEMENT THEORY. The only school that could do it better is SMU in the 1980's.
And if DaRon or Toumani blew out an ACL would you feel the same? There's no doubt in my mind that Elvis, Smith and Mike would not be playing and why would they? They're all likely headed for surgery this week. Would they have gutted it out for the NCAA Dance? Hell yes. For this (fading) tournament? Hell no. What would you have gained from this experience had they played? That with a team full of injuries they could compete one more time? If they were all freshmen and trying to get experience and healthy, yeah, you go. Not this time.
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I'm not a betting man, but if I was, I would put a lot of money on injuries not being the only factor in this decision...

I assume we'll know more about the other factors by the end of the week.
I sadly agree.
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It's the right call. It's time to expand the NCAA and be done with this joke of a post season called the NIT. it's like the stupid bowl games in football. They exist because people cling to the past. Both sports should expand their championship tournaments and do away with these second-tier competitions that nobody, including the players, cares about.
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It's the right call. It's time to expand the NCAA and be done with this joke of a post season called the NIT. it's like the stupid bowl games in football. They exist because people cling to the past. Both sports should expand their championship tournaments and do away with these second-tier competitions that nobody, including the players, cares about.

The NIT is MEANINGLESS . . .
until the players vote to skip it.
Then I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY DON'T WANT TO COMPETE!

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The NIT is MEANINGLESS . . .
until the players vote to skip it.
Then I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY DON'T WANT TO COMPETE!

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No kidding. We were 13 points from an NCAA berth, an invite to the BE, a 5 year extension to AG's contract, Toumoni Camara coming back, DaRon Holmes being named A10 Tournament MVP, this thread not existing, etc. . . 13 lousy points.
Gross oversimplification...if ifs and buts were candy and nuts Christmas would be every day...Grant is 1/6, previous coach was 4/6...we gave up an 11 point lead, and we lost by 12, that's a 23 point turnaround, that is not a fluke...we had decades to get ready for getting into the Big East, and we weren't ready

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It's the right call. It's time to expand the NCAA and be done with this joke of a post season called the NIT. it's like the stupid bowl games in football. They exist because people cling to the past. Both sports should expand their championship tournaments and do away with these second-tier competitions that nobody, including the players, cares about.
Wait, we would have played in the NCAA if we made it, we wouldn't play in the NIT, but we'd play in an expanded NCAA with most of the same teams that are in the NIT?
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And if DaRon or Toumani blew out an ACL would you feel the same? There's no doubt in my mind that Elvis, Smith and Mike would not be playing and why would they? They're all likely headed for surgery this week. Would they have gutted it out for the NCAA Dance? Hell yes. For this (fading) tournament? Hell no. What would you have gained from this experience had they played? That with a team full of injuries they could compete one more time? If they were all freshmen and trying to get experience and healthy, yeah, you go. Not this time.
Then why did all those guys play, and two get injured in SLU game when we had nothing to play for? Meanwhile, VCU went full strength into GW in a game they had nothing to play for, from an A10 perspective, and won convincingly. Because VCU is all about winning and doing whatever it takes.
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The NIT is MEANINGLESS . . .
until the players vote to skip it.
Then I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY DON'T WANT TO COMPETE!

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Gross oversimplification...if ifs and buts were candy and nuts Christmas would be every day...Grant is 1/6, previous coach was 4/6...we gave up an 11 point lead, and we lost by 12, that's a 23 point turnaround, that is not a fluke...we had decades to get ready for getting into the Big East, and we weren't ready
Yep. Maybe if it was a basket but UD gets an 11 point lead and proceeds to look like a freakin' HS JV team the last 17 plus minutes of that game. Total lack of hustle, intensity and leadership on top of the shooting woes.Lots and lots of coaching responsible for those 17 minutes.Guys not shooting well is one thing but that's not as bad as giving up every loose ball on the floor, giving up loads of offensive boards, etc.
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Wait, we would have played in the NCAA if we made it, we wouldn't play in the NIT, but we'd play in an expanded NCAA with most of the same teams that are in the NIT?
Exactly. Playing in the NCAA tournament is what these kids dream about and work so hard for. I am willing to bet there is not a single player on any D1 roster that counted down three...two..one while taking a shot in the driveway and imagined that shot would win the NIT. It's the same with football. OSU turned the Humanitarian Bowl, or whatever they got invited to, because nobody cares about it. These second-tier post season things are just relics from the past.

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Exactly. Playing in the NCAA tournament is what these kids dream about and work so hard for. I am willing to bet there is not a single player on any D1 roster that counted down three...two..one while taking a shot in the driveway and imagined that shot would win the NIT. It's the same with football. OSU turned the Humanitarian Bowl, or whatever they got invited to, because nobody cares about it. These second-tier post season things are just relics from the past.
How is a watered down NCAA, with 32 additional teams that are all NIT teams, better than a 64 (68) team NCAA?
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Yep. Maybe if it was a basket but UD gets an 11 point lead and proceeds to look like a freakin' HS JV team the last 17 plus minutes of that game. Total lack of hustle, intensity and leadership on top of the shooting woes.Lots and lots of coaching responsible for those 17 minutes.Guys not shooting well is one thing but that's not as bad as giving up every loose ball on the floor, giving up loads of offensive boards, etc.
My question is, did the turnaround happen because the guys were exhausted or because the guys didn’t give a Shiite? Or both, but to what degree of each?

I know that opinions are like noses: everybody has one, and some smell better than others. For my money, I thought they looked more like the prey than the hunter as that game wore on, and at least in the case of our bigs (Deuce, Tou, and Mus), it seemed to be exhaustion talking.
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Exactly. Playing in the NCAA tournament is what these kids dream about and work so hard for. I am willing to bet there is not a single player on any D1 roster that counted down three...two..one while taking a shot in the driveway and imagined that shot would win the NIT. It's the same with football. OSU turned the Humanitarian Bowl, or whatever they got invited to, because nobody cares about it. These second-tier post season things are just relics from the past.
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Wait, we would have played in the NCAA if we made it, we wouldn't play in the NIT, but we'd play in an expanded NCAA with most of the same teams that are in the NIT?
The goal was the NCAA. I do think that Mali, Kobe, Mike, RJ and everyone else played through a lot of injuries and yeah would have played on if they beat VCU. If the NIT was actually utilized properly - Like a play-in to the NCAA (since it is owned by the NCAA) then they probably would have played. It's not utilized that way; it's a consolation tournament at best. I still can't believe these knuckleheads at the NCAA can't figure out how to use the NIT. I proposed YEARS ago to expand the NCAA to 80 or 96 teams by making the NIT the "first rounds" of the NCAA - then it would mean something, a lot more teams would feel excited and included - the ones that just missed under todays format and everyone would be happy.

I find it amusing that most of the people on here that slammed AG for "making the NIT" in previous years as if it was an embarrassment but then slam him for passing on it this year despite all the obvious injuries/health of the team. I can just hear them now if he made this team accept and play in it: "He pushed his luck and now Camara tore his ACL in this meaningless NIT game; thanks AG"...
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 View Post
My question is, did the turnaround happen because the guys were exhausted or because the guys didn’t give a Shiite? Or both, but to what degree of each?

I know that opinions are like noses: everybody has one, and some smell better than others. For my money, I thought they looked more like the prey than the hunter as that game wore on, and at least in the case of our bigs (Deuce, Tou, and Mus), it seemed to be exhaustion talking.
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They looked completely exhausted to me by the 10 minute mark in the second half. I even commented on this in the game thread "out of gas". I think this is why AG attempted to play slow down ball to conserve strength. By the end it was total desperation due to the margin. This was the problem all year in my opinion. Depth. So, go ahead, blame it on AG. For the life of me, I don't know why the "off day" was Friday. That made no sense to me. Had the off day BEEN Saturday, I think Dayton would have won; a close one, but a victory.

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How is a watered down NCAA, with 32 additional teams that are all NIT teams, better than a 64 (68) team NCAA?
I don't agree that it would water down the NCAA, it would strengthen it. Remember the NCAA isn't the 68 best teams, it's the 68 teams that qualify. A lot of NIT teams are better than the teams that are in the NCAA and deserve a shot to play for a national championship and not be relegated to a second-tier competition.

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How is a watered down NCAA, with 32 additional teams that are all NIT teams, better than a 64 (68) team NCAA?
96 NCAA teams.

All of those weak conference teams that win their tournament take up seeds 19-24. The NIT teams take up seeds 11-18. Seeds 1-10 stay about the same.

NCAA is now 7 rounds.

Round 1(32 games) has 4 regions of seeds 9-24 playing where 9 plays 24, 10 plays 23, 11 plays 22, 12 plays 21, 13 plays 20, 14 plays 19, 15 plays 18 and 16 plays 17.

All of the winners move into round 2(32 games) where 1 plays winner of 16/17, 2 plays winner of 15/18, 3 plays winner of 14/19 and so on.

Now, what makes it better is that instead of 1 seeds starting off by playing the strongest of the weakest (what we now call 16 seeds) they will be most likely playing the weakest of NIT teams which are better quality than what 16s are now.

And for schools that go to the NIT with hopes of winning it and forever being forgotten like the rest of the field(because who in the hell ever brags about their NIT championships nowadays?) they have a shot at playing the best teams in the country and advancing where the whole world will be watching and talking about them. And they will receive a much more hefty monetary reward also.

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Most of those teams would end up being middle/lower P5 schools that don't deserve a NCAA appearance. The only expansion I would be in favor of, would be for schools won won their regular season title but lost in their conference championship and otherwise were out. Otherwise, you'll end up with a West Virginia, Ohio State, North Caroline, etc that had a losing conference record, but are now in the tournament.
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Most of those teams would end up being middle/lower P5 schools that don't deserve a NCAA appearance. The only expansion I would be in favor of, would be for schools won won their regular season title but lost in their conference championship and otherwise were out. Otherwise, you'll end up with a West Virginia, Ohio State, North Caroline, etc that had a losing conference record, but are now in the tournament.
Be skeptical, that's okay. But think back to last year when Dayton was the 1st team out. Do you really think they wouldn't have gone if the field was 96?

BTW, other than Dayton and North Carolina, who voluntarily sat out, how many of the NIT teams this year do you think wouldn't make it to a 96 team field? And what teams that didn't make it to either tournament would be included? I say none. If Dayton and NC would actually qualify for this year's NIT, they would've been NCAA teams in a 96 team field.
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The irony is not lost on me that the crowd most vociferous are the same ones who downplay the importance of the NIT the previous 364 days…

I think some of them are just PO’d that a lot of people will slow down their UD Pride usage now that the season is over. They’ll miss all the b!tching and moaning and “validation” from all the other AG haters.

Some on here need to step back from the keyboard and reevaluate the importance of a college basketball team on their overall happiness.

Some have increasingly stepped up both the amount and intensity in their disgust for AG over the past 4-6 weeks (I won’t name names but it’s obvious by reviewing some of the threads).

Frankly, some need to get a life…
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Wait, we would have played in the NCAA if we made it, we wouldn't play in the NIT, but we'd play in an expanded NCAA with most of the same teams that are in the NIT?
Diminishing returns, time and place, period context regarding personnel, long term net gain vs acceptable risk. This season had variables nearly all others did not that had to be fairly and properly weighted.

We are a limping horse with a hoof injury. If someone gave us a gate at the Preakness, we'd take them up on it because it's the Preakness and all the pomp and circumstance and prestige that goes with it, manufacture a smile, and cautiously do our best without doing something stupid. It just ain't worth the risk of being put down however to race at the Montgomery County Fairgrounds.
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