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With all the current turnover and potential turnover to come, I thought it might be nice to have a running thread to keep track. If only for myself. Hopefully it doesn't get taken off track. As of NOW, 3/27/23:
PG: Malachi Smith (Jr.), Mike Sharavjamts (So.)
SG: Koby Brea (Jr.)*, Kobe Elvis (Jr.)*
SF: Jaiun Simon (Fr)
PF: Toumani Camara (Sr.)**, Zimi Nwokeji (Jr.)*
C: Daron Holmes (Jr), Vasilije Erceg (Fr)
*has extra year of eligibility
**in extra year of eligibility
As of today, if no other players enter the portal/go pro, we have four scholarships available. Please chime in if any of this information is incorrect. I intentionally left out red shirt status, as it gets pretty confusing with class classification and the extra year granted by NCAA.
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Do Malachi and Daron have an extra year of eligibility? It's hard to keep up with the covid year situation, but I thought they did not.
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Do Malachi and Daron have an extra year of eligibility?
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They do not
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Do Malachi and Daron have an extra year of eligibility? It's hard to keep up with the covid year situation, but I thought they did not.
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With all the current turnover and potential turnover to come, I thought it might be nice to have a running thread to keep track. If only for myself. Hopefully it doesn't get taken off track. As of NOW, 3/27/23:
PG: Malachi Smith (Jr.), Mike Sharavjamts (So.)
SG: Koby Brea (Jr.)*, Kobe Elvis (Jr.)*
SF: Jaiun Simon (Fr)
PF: Toumani Camara (Sr.)**, Zimi Nwokeji (Jr.)*
C: Daron Holmes (Jr), Vasilije Erceg (Fr)
*has extra year of eligibility
**in extra year of eligibility
As of today, if no other players enter the portal/go pro, we have four scholarships available. Please chime in if any of this information is incorrect. I intentionally left out red shirt status, as it gets pretty confusing with class classification and the extra year granted by NCAA.
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So! Who do you think will win the NCAA Championship this year? JK
You have the total on-scholarship correct, and probably the most likely positions. That said…
I sure hope Mike sees action at the 2 and the 3, in addition to being backup at the 1. The stats didn’t show it, but he had a good-looking shot from deep, and I think he can become a 35%-40% shooter from behind the arc. And
I’ll be surprised if Brea doesn’t get considerable time at the 3. While he shied away from contact on his shot attempts, he showed a willingness to mix it up under the boards, and his presence at the 3 would give us 1 more decent ballhandler in the lineup (as compared to Blakney who, for all his good attributes, had a really poor handle, especially for a 3).
And, of course, if Mike and Brea spend considerable time at the 3, that emphasizes all the more that WE NEED GUARDS!!!
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I’ll be surprised if Brea doesn’t get considerable time at the 3. While he shied away from contact on his shot attempts, he showed a willingness to mix it up under the boards, and his presence at the 3 would give us 1 more decent ballhandler in the lineup (as compared to Blakney who, for all his good attributes, had a really poor handle, especially for a 3).
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Did we ever see a lineup this past year that included Mali, Elvis, and Brea?
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Did we ever see a lineup this past year that included Mali, Elvis, and Brea?
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Was there a game when all 3 were healthy?
Yes, I think there were a total of 3 games.
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Was there a game when all 3 were healthy?
Yes, I think there were a total of 3 games.
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Well they were all healthy the year prior. I don't recall seeing this type of small-ball lineup much but it could've happened a few times.
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Depending on what shakes out with the roster I wouldn’t mind seeing a Mike/Koby/Kobe/Mali line up with a big
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PG: Malachi Smith (Jr.)
SG: Koby Brea (Jr.)*, Kobe Elvis (Jr.)*
SF: Jaiun Simon (Fr)
PF: Toumani Camara (Sr.)**, Zimi Nwokeji (Jr.)*
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What we need is for Holmes to make up his mind ASAP one way or the other.
I am assuming Camara is gone...
If Holmes is going to stay, then it allows us to recruit around him as the featured piece. A simple IG post telling everyone he is back, similar to Brea's
If he is gone (gulp), then it allows us to backfill his spot as good as we can.
The fact that it has been all silent is hurting us in my opinion.
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What we need is for Holmes to make up his mind ASAP one way or the other.
I am assuming Camara is gone...
If Holmes is going to stay, then it allows us to recruit around him as the featured piece. A simple IG post telling everyone he is back, similar to Brea's
If he is gone (gulp), then it allows us to backfill his spot as good as we can.
The fact that it has been all silent is hurting us in my opinion.
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We won't hear anything from Homes until after he declares for the draft and gets the feedback as to where he stands. It will go one of three ways. 1: He will be told he is a first rounder. 2: He could get drafted in the second round and find himself in the G League. That is not a bad way to work on getting NBA ready. 3. He is told another year of college is his best bet. He may well be told to go play in the Big 10, SEC, or Big 12 to play against better competition. He may come back. He will have to decide what is best for him.
As for Camara, he is graduating, this was his fourth year of college ball, he is 23, and they did his senior night. What more do we need to hear? It's time for him to take the next step in life.
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We won't hear anything from Homes until after he declares for the draft and gets the feedback as to where he stands. It will go one of three ways. 1: He will be told he is a first rounder. 2: He could get drafted in the second round and find himself in the G League. That is not a bad way to work on getting NBA ready. 3. He is told another year of college is his best bet. He may well be told to go play in the Big 10, SEC, or Big 12 to play against better competition. He may come back. He will have to decide what is best for him.
As for Camara, he is graduating, this was his fourth year of college ball, he is 23, and they did his senior night. What more do we need to hear? It's time for him to take the next step in life.
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Originally Posted by The Gem
We won't hear anything from Homes until after he declares for the draft and gets the feedback as to where he stands. It will go one of three ways. 1: He will be told he is a first rounder. 2: He could get drafted in the second round and find himself in the G League. That is not a bad way to work on getting NBA ready. 3. He is told another year of college is his best bet. He may well be told to go play in the Big 10, SEC, or Big 12 to play against better competition. He may come back. He will have to decide what is best for him.
As for Camara, he is graduating, this was his fourth year of college ball, he is 23, and they did his senior night. What more do we need to hear? It's time for him to take the next step in life.
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
So! Who do you think will win the NCAA Championship this year? JK
You have the total on-scholarship correct, and probably the most likely positions. That said…
I sure hope Mike sees action at the 2 and the 3, in addition to being backup at the 1. The stats didn’t show it, but he had a good-looking shot from deep, and I think he can become a 35%-40% shooter from behind the arc. And
I’ll be surprised if Brea doesn’t get considerable time at the 3. While he shied away from contact on his shot attempts, he showed a willingness to mix it up under the boards, and his presence at the 3 would give us 1 more decent ballhandler in the lineup (as compared to Blakney who, for all his good attributes, had a really poor handle, especially for a 3).
And, of course, if Mike and Brea spend considerable time at the 3, that emphasizes all the more that WE NEED GUARDS!!!
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Well, this post of mine didn’t age well, a mere 24 hours later. But that only puts more emphasis on my last point. WE! NEED! GUARDS!!!!!
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So Whose on the roster at this time?
PG: Malachi Smith (Jr.)
SG: Koby Brea (Jr.)
Both with Post Surgery Availability Questions concerning the start of season.
Kobe Elvis (Jr.)
With recovery on knee injury with no idea of extent of same.
PF: Toumani Camara (Sr.)
C: Daron Holmes (Jr),
With questions about their future intent at the U
Zimi Nwokeji (Jr.)
Questionable additive to roster
Vasilije Erceg (Fr)_Jaiun Simon (Fr)
Two new members who happen to have no exposure to the college game.
One would believe that the roster at this point is on shaky ground ....
6 returnees on scholly and so far 2 freshmen with the limit of 13 total allowed (and we always always need to have an open one to use or throw away ).
So we are looking for how many more? 5, 4, 3 ? And the more significant question is will we have new comers able to provide enhancements or will we be forced to get players just to get bodies to field a team.
Of course with an 8 player rotation at best, we may almost be staffed for next year! (Just joking!)
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer
I'm kinda feeling a lineup of Mali/Kobe/Koby/transfer guard/ Zimi
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PG: Enoch Cheeks (Sr.)* Malachi Smith (Jr.)
SG: Koby Brea (Jr.)*, Kobe Elvis (Jr.)*
SF: Jaiun Simon (Fr.)
PF: Toumani Camara (Sr.)**, Zimi Nwokeji (Jr.)*
C: Daron Holmes (Jr.), Vasilije Erceg (Fr.)
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Update 4/9/23
PG: Enoch Cheeks (Sr.)* Malachi Smith (Jr.), Javon Bennett (So.)
SG: Koby Brea (Jr.)*, Kobe Elvis (Jr.)*
SF: Jaiun Simon (Fr.)
PF: Zimi Nwokeji (Jr.)*
C: Daron Holmes (Jr.), Vasilije Erceg (Fr.)
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I like the Javon pickup. Cheeks and Javon have speed. Which we need on offense and defense.
Question: CAN and does ENOCH PLAY SOME 2 GUARD? That would displace Elvis some, and to me that needs to occur. Elvis is a 15 to 20 minute a game guy tops
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I like the Javon pickup. Cheeks and Javon have speed. Whi h we need on offense and defense.
Question: CAN and does ENOCH PLAY SOME 2 GUARD? That would displace Elvis some, and to me that needs to occur. Elvis is a 15 to 20 minute a game guy tops
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When we get healthy, I think we see more 3 guard line ups. I can’t imagine Cheeks and Javon are coming in to watch Mali, E, and Brea play.
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I think Brea and Elvis will share minutes at the 2.
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After Brea has his surgery, he'll be lucky if he's even ready for the start of the season. I wouldn't count on Brea contributing much until maybe conference.
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I would expect the focus to shift to more wing oriented players and true bigs. We don't know Holmes' fate yet, and if you don't count him, we are now looking pretty thin from 3-5, with two freshman and Zimi.
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When we get healthy, I think we see more 3 guard line ups. I can’t imagine Cheeks and Javon are coming in to watch Mali, E, and Brea play.
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Has the roster been in more flux than at any other time since AG's arrival?
This isn't meant to be a negative toward Grant, just a curious question as to the current roster stir.
I think maybe somewhat close to the current situation was the one immediately after Grants first year here was complete.
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After Brea has his surgery, he'll be lucky if he's even ready for the start of the season. I wouldn't count on Brea contributing much until maybe conference.
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You may want to add Smith to that statement. It will be end of August before his second surgery is good to go and then the process of rehab/conditioning etc.
Maybe Smith will be where we saw him last year over the preseason period. Not quite ready for prime time.
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Where are you all getting these surgery dates and recovery times? Dr. Google?
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Reviewing case studies and information related to Koby's surgery, yes, from detailed Google searches, but it is somewhat speculative. Intramedullary nailing typically has recovery time of 4 months, and could extend up to 6. Given the treatment Koby would receive, I would expect it to be on the shorter end. I don't believe he's had surgery yet, and may be waiting until the semester ends. But, even if he had it today, likely the earliest he would be ready to resume basketball related activities, based on documentation available, would be September. If the surgery is not done until after the semester, then October. And without real conditional/on court activities taking place, that would take additional time beyond the normal rehab.
So yes, it's speculative and we don't know for sure, but this is as best as I can glean from what we know.
As to Mali, it's been stated that the recovery time per surgery is 6-10 weeks. The second surgery won't happen until the first recover is complete. Since he had the first surgery a couple weeks ago, he has anywhere from 4 to 8 weeks of recovery before the second surgery. Even assuming low end of 4, the second surgery likely wouldn't occur until mid-late May. Taking another 6 weeks from there, he probably won't see the court again until mid-July at the earliest. And if it trends to the longer time, then more likely September/October.
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Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan
As to Mali, it's been stated that the recovery time per surgery is 6-10 weeks. The second surgery won't happen until the first recover is complete. Since he had the first surgery a couple weeks ago, he has anywhere from 4 to 8 weeks of recovery before the second surgery. Even assuming low end of 4, the second surgery likely wouldn't occur until mid-late May. Taking another 6 weeks from there, he probably won't see the court again until mid-July at the earliest. And if it trends to the longer time, then more likely September/October.
Again, I fully admit all speculation.
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The University already said Mali would have the first surgery - then wait 10 weeks and have the second. That means 20 weeks from the start of the process would be Mid to late August. If Mali is ready to go by the start of the season it will be a small miracle.
A few prayers may be in order if we want to see him available in early November.
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I think Brea’s minutes will be more at the 3 than the 2 this year, for the following reasons:
1) We’ve lost Camara, Amzil, and Blakney, who got most of the minutes at the 3 and 4 slots last year (with Camara getting the lion’s share of the 5 minutes when Deuce needed a breather). We also lost Mike, who saw some minutes at the 3 during the part of the season when both Mali and Elvis were off the DL. So far, our new players are 2 guards, a wing, and a stretch 4. So, we lack depth at the 3/4 slots. Brea getting more minutes at the 3 will help alleviate that.
2) I don’t know the first thing about having rods inserted into your legs to correct shin splints, but I have to believe that will hamper Brea’s mobility, at least initially. I would think that, at least in a more “traditional” offense, a 3 doesn’t get quite as much wear and tear on the legs as a 2 gets.
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I see Big Serb and Brea eating up minutes at the 3. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cheeks play in a hybrid 2/3 role. It’s possible that AG is trying to get back to more of a positionless style of offense. Multiple ball handlers is great IF AG allows for more up tempo play and allows for more offensive flow. LHS mentioned the possibility of getting a p5 wing. It would be great to land a 6’5”-6’6” guy that can shoot and handle the ball.
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I see Big Serb and Brea eating up minutes at the 3. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cheeks play in a hybrid 2/3 role. It’s possible that AG is trying to get back to more of a positionless style of offense. Multiple ball handlers is great IF AG allows for more up tempo play and allows for more offensive flow. LHS mentioned the possibility of getting a p5 wing. It would be great to land a 6’5”-6’6” guy that can shoot and handle the ball.
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The Serb is a 4/5, no?
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He’s bringing the ability to hit 3’s at a 40% clip. On the offensive end, I think we’ll see him playing more like a 3 in AG’s positionless system. On D, you’re likely right with him defending the other team’s 4/5. Remember, Amzil is 6’10” as well. I think the hope is Big Serb can hit 3’s more proficiently and prolifically.
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AG has listened to the board and is loading up on PG's.
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that's great, will he listen to them in developing
an end of half/end of game offensive scheme
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He’s bringing the ability to hit 3’s at a 40% clip. On the offensive end, I think we’ll see him playing more like a 3 in AG’s positionless system. On D, you’re likely right with him defending the other team’s 4/5. Remember, Amzil is 6’10” as well. I think the hope is Big Serb can hit 3’s more proficiently and prolifically.
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90% of the video I've seen of the Serb is him hitting 3's. He looks like a good shooter.
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I can’t wait to yell, Veliki Srpski, when he drains a 3. It translates to Big Serb/Great Serb.
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PG: Enoch Cheeks (Sr.)* Malachi Smith (Jr.), Javon Bennett (So.)
SG: Koby Brea (Jr.)*, Kobe Elvis (Jr.)*
SF: Jaiun Simon (Fr.)
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From everything I have seen on video, Erceg is not a center. Like most European players, he wants to shoot a jump shot. He does not look like a guy who is craving the trenches and absorbing rebounds.
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From everything I have seen on video, Erceg is not a center. Like most European players, he wants to shoot a jump shot. He does not look like a guy who is craving the trenches and absorbing rebounds.
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I agree with this. I think he will be used as a PF, not a center. And although Camara just had a great game at the PIT, it’s not a done-deal he will turn pro. He is certainly taking advantage of opportunities to take that step, but he has not officially made that decision or announced this move. It has to play out. I think most fans agree he can make a great career overseas. But on the flip side, if his dream/goal is set on the NBA, his best option to reach that goal might be one more year at UD. It’s a “leave no stone unturned” move to make sure he has done everything for that change to play in the NBA. Playing in Europe will be available to him next year, but he might want one more shot at the NBA. I’d like him back again next year, so factor in my bias herein. But if he can add a knockdown 3 over the off-season…I think he has a legit NBA shot at this time next year.
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I agree with this. I think he will be used as a PF, not a center. And although Camara just had a great game at the PIT, it’s not a done-deal he will turn pro. He is certainly taking advantage of opportunities to take that step, but he has not officially made that decision or announced this move. It has to play out. I think most fans agree he can make a great career overseas. But on the flip side, if his dream/goal is set on the NBA, his best option to reach that goal might be one more year at UD. It’s a “leave no stone unturned” move to make sure he has done everything for that change to play in the NBA. Playing in Europe will be available to him next year, but he might want one more shot at the NBA. I’d like him back again next year, so factor in my bias herein. But if he can add a knockdown 3 over the off-season…I think he has a legit NBA shot at this time next year.
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His best bet is not to return to UD. He's already 23. We know the NBA favors younger players. Turning 24 while in college provides no benefit, that playing pro ball somewhere wouldn't. With NIL opportunities limited due to being a foreign player, he can make more money playing professionally in Europe and hope that he can draw the attention of a NBA team.
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His best bet is not to return to UD. He's already 23. We know the NBA favors younger players. Turning 24 while in college provides no benefit, that playing pro ball somewhere wouldn't. With NIL opportunities limited due to being a foreign player, he can make more money playing professionally in Europe and hope that he can draw the attention of a NBA team.
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I'd love to have Camara back but realistically, he needs to go pro. The only way I'd see him coming back is if he gets a lot of feedback indicating that he needs a higher % 3-point shot and THAT would make him a first rounder; honestly, I think he's going to continue to show up in these events and he's going to get drafted 2nd round. And if that happens, I think he'll stick and play on a roster in the NBA next year. I think his game is just now starting to peak.
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What is a good paycheck in europe? how many games are in a season?
I hear about $500,000 NIL deals(maybe West Virginia?) and it makes me question which is a better value for the player.
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Professional athletes do well overseas. It’s crazy how many professional sports are followed in Europe. The big difference is that it’s not the NBA. Brian Roberts played overseas with an eye on the prize. He was on his way up. The overseas leagues also have guys on their way down. They’re not as hungry. While many here would jump at $500k in Europe, Camara may be willing to play his best card. What will have a better chance of getting him to the league. It really could be another year at UD. His path could be clearer and easier, and HE may be willing to accept that risk.
By the way, it could be that Camara is not a pauper and financially can afford to take the risk of another year at UD. I believe his Mom is a psychologist. There may be some family money.
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Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer
I see Big Serb and Brea eating up minutes at the 3. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cheeks play in a hybrid 2/3 role. It’s possible that AG is trying to get back to more of a positionless style of offense. Multiple ball handlers is great IF AG allows for more up tempo play and allows for more offensive flow. LHS mentioned the possibility of getting a p5 wing. It would be great to land a 6’5”-6’6” guy that can shoot and handle the ball.
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Were in big trouble if Erceg is getting minutes at the 3. He looks like stretch 4/5, but nowhere near the athleticism/ballhandling to play the 3.
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Psychologist?
Psychiatrists make the money average salary $235k. Psychologists average $95k which is more than I thought but not enough to give up $500k playing hoops.
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Psychiatrists make the money average salary $235k. Psychologists average $95k which is more than I thought but not enough to give up $500k playing hoops.
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Mobility is different in Europe. It might be a fair indicator that his Mom comes from money.
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Were in big trouble if Erceg is getting minutes at the 3. He looks like stretch 4/5, but nowhere near the athleticism/ballhandling to play the 3.
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Sort of like another 6’9”-6’10” Euro-style player we had recently, no?
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Originally Posted by hawkoooo
PG: Enoch Cheeks (Sr.)* Malachi Smith (Jr.), Javon Bennett (So.)
SG: Koby Brea (Jr.)*, Kobe Elvis (Jr.)*
SF: Jaiun Simon (Fr.)
PF: Zimi Nwokeji (Jr.)*
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As of today, if no other players enter the portal/go pro, we have four scholarships available.
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Based on the above analysis, I’d say we need at least 1 more capable big (preferably 2) and 1 more G/F swingman. Even with Mali’s and Koby’s surgeries, as long as no one else gets injured, we should be in better shape in the backcourt this coming November than we were last November. The frontcourt, on the other hand, is an entirely different story.
We’ve already lost Amzil, we’ll probably lose Camara, and we could still lose Holmes. Those 3 accounted for 3,190 minutes of PT last season, or 46.5% of all minutes played (per stats available on the Men’s Basketball website). Losing all 3 would be akin to the situation AG faced when he first came here, and we were dealing with the loss of 4 starters from the 2016-17 team. That’s a lot to lose. Thus the need for a couple more capable bigs.
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No idea, I don't understand what his plan is. I thought for sure he would've declared for the draft by now to at least test the waters. I have to assume that silence means there's still a chance he returns to Dayton, but I also worry that he's talking to other schools before deciding to enter his name into the portal.
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T-Bone: the Obi now Deuce role is critical in AG’s offense. It’s also what AG does best. He’s done his best work with recruiting and developing athletic bigs (great job with Camara too). I would love for AG to grab a kid in that mold who was in the outside looking in as a freshman this year. There has to be a Camara type out there looking for the right role. We showed the last 2 years that AG will put 2 guys like that on the court together. Let’s grab one…or two, AG!
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T-Bone: the Obi now Deuce role is critical in AG’s offense. It’s also what AG does best. He’s done his best work with recruiting and developing athletic bigs (great job with Camara too). I would love for AG to grab a kid in that mold who was in the outside looking in as a freshman this year. There has to be a Camara type out there looking for the right role. We showed the last 2 years that AG will put 2 guys like that on the court together. Let’s grab one…or two, AG!
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Good point, Hyde Park. Hopefully there is that kid out there who either felt underutilized in a P5+ environment or thinks he can do better than a low-major program, and is willing to commit to UD to prove his worth. It worked for Watson, Sibert, and Chatman. Hopefully, it can work for someone more like Chase Johnson (but without the injury issues).
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75% back at UD
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https://twitter.com/DaytonSchools/st...166438913?s=20
Jablonski re-tweeted this tweet from Dayton Public Schools this morning that shows Zimi and DaRon meeting with local school children about the importance of being healthy, STAYING IN SCHOOL, and social media. Now I am being a little funny with the staying in school part as that is not the type of staying in school he might be considering but the real takeaway for me is, if he was headed somewhere else, this isn't the type of activity he might be doing. Could mean nothing but it is at least a data point to consider.
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T-Bone: the Obi now Deuce role is critical in AG’s offense. It’s also what AG does best. He’s done his best work with recruiting and developing athletic bigs (great job with Camara too). I would love for AG to grab a kid in that mold who was in the outside looking in as a freshman this year. There has to be a Camara type out there looking for the right role. We showed the last 2 years that AG will put 2 guys like that on the court together. Let’s grab one…or two, AG!
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I want to be on record as saying we should be grabbing NBA caliber players, at any position, whenever we can. I assume every other team in America that is not stacked with 5 stars and McD's all-Americans abides by the same rule.
You are absolutely correct that AG and his staff have done a very good job of 1) identifying those guys when others may have missed, (Toppin and Camara), and 2) developing them. Here's hoping there are some guys out there in that mold who have been paying attention to the trends at UD, (but not necesarily our recent post-season history, or lack thereof).
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https://twitter.com/DaytonSchools/st...166438913?s=20
Jablonski re-tweeted this tweet from Dayton Public Schools this morning that shows Zimi and DaRon meeting with local school children about the importance of being healthy, STAYING IN SCHOOL, and social media. Now I am being a little funny with the staying in school part as that is not the type of staying in school he might be considering but the real takeaway for me is, if he was headed somewhere else, this isn't the type of activity he might be doing. Could mean nothing but it is at least a data point to consider.
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I think DaRon is a really good kid, (man). I don't read anything into this one way or the other.
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Grant has got to get a big to back up Holmes. He is a foul or injury away from a big problem for this team. I don't see the Serb as that solution.
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I think we are all in agreement that he needs one more year to get to the first round of the NBA Draft so I think he will be back in college ball for one more year...
Just depends on whether he wants to stay where he is loved (his words) and comfortable, or go to a higher profile program to get coached by others at the college level (maybe he thinks he has learned all he can from CAG and co) and would benefit from the increased exposure at a UK or a Duke....
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Brea was mentioned in the paper as entering the transfer portal. Is this correct?
Wasn't he going to have off-season surgery?
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Brea was mentioned in the paper as entering the transfer portal. Is this correct?
Wasn't he going to have off-season surgery?
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I saw the article you are talking about and at first I thought the same thing you did and was surprised I had missed the news of his departure. Slow down, read the article again. Brea has not entered the portal.
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Do we know how the surgeries for Brea and Mali are being paid for? If I was the AD and the university is paying for these what I would assume are rather expensive procedures, they would have assurances that they stay for at least one more season. Not to mention other schools might look at them as damaged goods and they either take a huge step down or wind up with no offers.
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They will have insurance that covers them as athletes. The policy is separate from what the school provided for students or what the player’s family may have.
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Do we know how the surgeries for Brea and Mali are being paid for? If I was the AD and the university is paying for these what I would assume are rather expensive procedures, they would have assurances that they stay for at least one more season. Not to mention other schools might look at them as damaged goods and they either take a huge step down or wind up with no offers.
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Worst take ever. They got hurt playing basketball at UD, of course the school is paying for them. Unreal.
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They will have insurance that covers them as athletes. The policy is separate from what the school provided for students or what the player’s family may have.
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Worst take ever. They got hurt playing basketball at UD, of course the school is paying for them. Unreal.
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Real: Every student and student-athlete is required to have their own health insurance policy (individual or family) and with rare exception, they are required to pay all deductibles, but Universities are allowed to pay deductibles w/o penalty/extra benefit.
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I would have thought so as well, at least on a professional deceleration and likely on a transfer portal deceleration as well. Is there a deadline to enter the portal in basketball? I know there are 2 windows in football now, not sure if basketball has a similar setup or if you can enter the portal at any time (actually in football, I think you can enter the portal at any time, but if its not during the portal window then you have to sit out a season).
I believe the deadline to declare for the NBA draft is in 2 weeks. I suppose you could always decide to go pro and play in the G league or overseas, just not thru the NBA draft.
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Originally Posted by Medford
I would have thought so as well, at least on a professional deceleration and likely on a transfer portal deceleration as well. Is there a deadline to enter the portal in basketball? I know there are 2 windows in football now, not sure if basketball has a similar setup or if you can enter the portal at any time (actually in football, I think you can enter the portal at any time, but if its not during the portal window then you have to sit out a season).
I believe the deadline to declare for the NBA draft is in 2 weeks. I suppose you could always decide to go pro and play in the G league or overseas, just not thru the NBA draft.
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer
I'm sure this will instantly backfire on me but if Holmes was out the door for the portal/professional ranks, wouldn't he have made a move already?
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The current portal window runs March 13 to May 11. So, plenty of time on that front.
NBA Draft early entry deadline is April 23. So, that window is closing soon.
I'm with you folks in that it seems to be getting late for what was once thought to be a foregone conclusion. I thought for sure the Payton Sparks visit was a signal. No way a player of Sparks' ability and style would come to play with Holmes. And the Neil Sullivan complaints about tampering were likely Holmes influenced (who else are you tampering for on this roster?). It felt like a shot across the bow for any tampering entities.
That said, it's still hard to imagine Holmes returning, even if Grant is one of the big man developers in the country. Holmes would more than likely walking away from serious money and increased exposure.
But, boy, if he did return. That changes fortunes overnight!
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Originally Posted by rollo
Real: Every student and student-athlete is required to have their own health insurance policy (individual or family) and with rare exception, they are required to pay all deductibles, but Universities are allowed to pay deductibles w/o penalty/extra benefit.
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That is crazy!, so I kept reading:
Though National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) bylaws 3.2.4.8 (Certification of Insurance Coverage) and 3.2.4.8.1 (Amount of Coverage) require that student-athletes at member institutions have insurance for medical expenses related to athletic injuries, the schools are not required to cover what the insurance doesn’t, leaving it to parents, guardians, or the students themselves to take out policies and pay out-of-pocket costs. Only once treatment for an injury exceeds $90,000 does the NCAA cover the cost under their Catastrophic Injury Insurance Program.
Student-athletes who participate in NCAA championship events, however, are fully covered by NCAA insurance policies through the Participant Accident Program. According to NCAA Director of Travel and Insurance Juanita Sheely, “Any injury during an NCAA championship event is covered by NCAA insurance policies from the very first dollar of expense to the last."
Exceptional student-athletes — those who are likely to be early draft picks for the NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB, or WNBA — are permitted to purchase NCAA-sponsored disability insurance to protect against future loss of earnings as a professional athlete if they are approved by a program administrator. Loans are available to cover the cost of the insurance, which means that like the required basic coverage before the catastrophic insurance kicks in, student-athletes must foot the bill.
It is a little better that there is a cap at which point the NCAA takes over, (*and I note it is an aggregate treatment cost, not an out of pocket limit), but not much. I sincerely hope UD provides insurance for all its D1 athletes or at least for the guys who bankroll the entire athletic program. I stand by my comment regardless of whether schools provide insurance, I think it would be unconscionable for them not to. Just from a recruiting standpoint it seems like it would be a death sentence if you had one family out there telling the story of when UD abandoned their son after he got hurt, or tried to make him commit to another year in exchange for medical coverage.
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And then there is this:
20.2.4.9 Certification of Insurance Coverage. An active member institution must certify insurance coverage for medical expenses resulting from athletically related injuries sustained by the following individuals while participating in a covered event: [D] (Adopted: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 1/20/22)
(a) A student-athlete participating in a covered event in an intercollegiate sport as recognized by the participating institution; and
(b) A prospective student-athlete participating in a covered event who has graduated from high school and signed a National Letter of Intent or an institution's written offer of admission and/or financial aid to participate in an intercollegiate sport at a participating institution.
I have generally found that you are not required to provide proof of things that you aren't required to do. I will concede that the school can make the parents' insurance primary, but to call Hyde Park's statement and mine, "fake", seems a bit over the top and it turns out wrong.
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Originally Posted by Flyers98
Worst take ever. They got hurt playing basketball at UD, of course the school is paying for them. Unreal.
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Thanks for looking that up and answering my question. You could have just done that from the get go instead of just knee jerk reacting without all the information.
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Originally Posted by Flyers98
Worst take ever. They got hurt playing basketball at UD, of course the school is paying for them. Unreal.
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I'm just curious why you thought this was the 'real' answer...does your (or anyone's) employer ignore your/their health insurer and pay your medical bills? Or were you just being snarky?
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I got hurt playing in an NCAA event. The injury required surgery. The athletic policy was the primary policy. I know this because our medical insurance denied coverage since it occurred participating in an NCAA event (they know what the insurance requirements are). It’s possible that our family policy was secondary and picked up the co-pay and deductible. I’m fairly certain that the school didn’t. To be clear, I believe schools pay the premiums for the policy. We paid nothing.
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Originally Posted by rollo
I'm just curious why you thought this was the 'real' answer...does your (or anyone's) employer ignore your/their health insurer and pay your medical bills? Or were you just being snarky?
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I was being snarky but our respective employers are (in almost every case) required to pay into a workers compensation scheme to address injuries that occur on the job. I was more reacting to the thought that UD should extract some promise from a player, injured in the service of Flyer Nation, in exchange for paying for the surgery (or rather having their insurance pay for the surgery).
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We lost quite a bit (not in the sense of total playing ability more like just bodies on a team) between Washington and Mike S. due to one thing or another since December.
We got a couple replacements but aren't we still lacking in players to fill a complete roster?
I know it isn't June yet but I sure would like to hear about more movement in filling the roster back up!
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I doubt that worker's comp covers athletes, as they are not employees.
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Originally Posted by jack72
I doubt that worker's comp covers athletes, as they are not employees.
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They are insured as athletes.
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Originally Posted by jack72
I doubt that worker's comp covers athletes, as they are not employees.
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If you re-read my post you will discover that I was responding to Rollo's comment or question rather as to whether my employer or anyone's would pick up medical expenses for a work related injury. The answer to that is yes, worker's comp. I never said WC covers college athletes it does not, they are not employees as you point out.
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Guess we'll know Deuce's NBA plans by the end of the weekend, correct?
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^^^
I was going to post almost a similar comment except in a broader context.
No news either about others (?) leaving or new recruits (besides those already known) coming to the roster.
I think we are still short on the total team limit aren't we?
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There are still a lot of highly rated players in the portal. Like with other forms of free agency, movement at the top can be followed by a lot of movement below. The deadline to be removed from the draft is May 23. My guess is that teams will leave spots open for at least another month.
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Originally Posted by NJFlyr71
I think we are still short on the total team limit aren't we?
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By a long shot. Even if Holmes does stay we still have four scholarships available.
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Originally Posted by NJFlyr71
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I was going to post almost a similar comment except in a broader context.
No news either about others (?) leaving or new recruits (besides those already known) coming to the roster.
I think we are still short on the total team limit aren't we?
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UD adds Chaminade-Juliene 6’4” guard/wing Evan Dickey as a preferred walk-on… Joining Will Maxwell
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Is Maxwell the first walk-on turn down D1 offers to come to UD
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19
UD adds Chaminade-Juliene 6’4” guard/wing Evan Dickey as a preferred walk-on… Joining Will Maxwell
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What's the difference between a walk-on and a preferred walk-on?
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