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Jaden, not Caden. Iím with you. At one point it was possible to have Colin, Jaden, and Mali Smith. That would hav even a lot of Smiths!!
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I don't think anyone is asking for 4-5 Zimis on the bench. But, 10 guys who can contribute can easily turn into 6-7 guys, which we've seen. Legitimately, how many teams do we play each year where their roster isn't, if at least 12 scholarship players, a full 13? Because I don't see it. And I don't think these other teams have 4-5 Zimis on their rosters.
From what I've seen in watching a lot of CBB and very little research, having an 8-9 man rotation is pretty common across CBB. That means at least one of these as reasons: 4-5 misses; unfilled schollies; red-shirts; injuries; coaching philosophy.

I agree with Chris that having 10 solid core players that have skills, buy into the system, and are team 1st guys is way more important that filling the last 3 spots.

Having said that though, since Mali has his history, you almost have to not count him in the total. So if 10-11 is the coaches max active scholarships, than he should bump up to 11-12 this season.

Of course if you can get a stud freshman go get him but if he doesn't play much, be ready to help him pack next year so what did you really gain?
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What are you hearing? Itís odd that itís so quiet.
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I heard his "visit" was very short, which I took to be a bad sign. But it doesn't sound like that necessarily means the door is closed? Nothing really solid.
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Hereís the source that predicted Posh early on.

https://x.com/ssn_dayton/status/1787...867334654?s=46

Transfers available that Dayton has contacted:
Jaden Schutt - G - Duke
Garwey Dual - G - Providence
Corey Chesley - G - VMI
Kalil Camara - F - West Virginia State D2
Ashton Henderson - G -Schoolcraft JUCO
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For those wondering, it does not appear that Kalil is any relation to Tumani.


Kalil is a 6'8" wing that played Juco for 2 season then D2 last season. 8.2 ppg, 3 rpg and 47% 3pt%. Seems pretty athletic on the highlights, but not overwhelming numbers for a D2 kid. From Brooklyn.
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It looks like Camara went through a late growth spurt. Was he really only 6í2Ē when he was a senior in HS?
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Dual is an interesting prospect. He was recruited by UD out of HS, blew up hugely during the summer prior to his senior year (He didn't have many offers during his junior season of basketball) and ended up as a top 50 recruit, play on the junior world team and when Kim English was able to retain him after Cooley left for G'town it was considered huge for the Friars. He had some moments last season of great play but was largely inconsistent. He probably needs a season of development coming off the bench, working on his shot and how to run an offense before he could take off. Don't know if he would be willing to do so at UD, but he probably as high a ceiling as UD could hope for but also a pretty low floor. With Cheeks and Posh set to graduate at the end of next season, its easy to see him coming off the bench and being poised to take over a wing spot alongside Allen in 25-26'.
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A decision is likely to come this weekend for Jaden Schutt. He is between Dayton, Butler, DePaul, and Virginia Tech. -Trilly Donovan
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...oster-8-9-guys

Interesting comment by Calipari about not filling a full roster.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...oster-8-9-guys

Interesting comment by Calipari about not filling a full roster.
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Completely different calculus based on Cal's recruiting

Generally, every guy Dayton signs out of high school is a crap shoot. The Darren Holmes and Christ Wrights are few and far between

That's why you have to sign as many guys as possible. The more players the better chance of getting the next Jalen Crutcher
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Completely different calculus based on Cal's recruiting

Generally, every guy Dayton signs out of high school is a crap shoot. The Darren Holmes and Christ Wrights are few and far between

That's why you have to sign as many guys as possible. The more players the better chance of getting the next Jalen Crutcher
The whole world is a little upside down right now. Does it make sense to sign 3-4 3star players knowing 2 could leave... who the hell knows. Sign and worry later!
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The whole world is a little upside down right now. Does it make sense to sign 3-4 3star players knowing 2 could leave... who the hell knows. Sign and worry later!
You want to keep cycling through as many Richard Washingtonís until you get a Crutcher,

Keeping a scholarship open doesnít do anything and the dead weight transfers out
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A decision is likely to come this weekend for Jaden Schutt. He is between Dayton, Butler, DePaul, and Virginia Tech. -Trilly Donovan
I like those odds
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You want to keep cycling through as many Richard Washingtonís until you get a Crutcher,

Keeping a scholarship open doesnít do anything and the dead weight transfers out
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Correct! Remember when elites like Duke, Kentucky and Kansas re-loaded every year due to defection to the pros?
Now every D-1 gets to reload due to defections to everywhere!
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I like those odds
I donít see where heís visited Butler or Virginia Tech. Though nothing confirms where heís been other than UD, he was scheduled to visit Wisconsin last weekend and DePaul this week. It would be a bad omen if heís visiting Butler or Virginia Tech this weekend, and heís expected to announce. Heís had a couple of weeks to see what NIL deal Dayton is offering. With Colin Smithís surprise announcement, I could see the pot being sweetened a bit. Obviously, Schutt would be a great get!
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Based on what I am hearing Jaden Schutt will be committing to Virginia Tech.

Dayton hopefully will shift their focus and bring in 1 guy who can tribute to the team.

And i wouldn't even hate if they brought in a young guy who's a project.

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Based on what I am hearing Jaden Schutt will be committing to Virginia Tech.

Dayton hopefully will shift their focus and bring in 1 guy who can tribute to the team.

And i wouldn't even hate if they brought in a young guy who's a project.

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I donít think it pays to recruit ďprojectsĒ anymore, unless a school/coach takes pride in developing players to go play at bigger programs.
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Jack is a project. I suppose that Buffalo lost him to UD, but I like AGís chances of keeping him. Of course, if he doesnít progress to significant minutes, he could look for another opportunity. There are projects that donít pan out, and the player wants to play. Hard to blame a guy taking a step down to get some playing time.
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No surprise, Schutt to VT

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Letís get to next soon. Rumors of recruits is far preferable to another round of Apocalypse Now II: NIL and the Transfer Portal.
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The last couple of weeks have been soul crushing on the recruiting front. Weíve watched some prized targets end up at Richmond, Va Tech, UK, Santa Barbara, and Fordham. Getting Posh and Santos was awesome, but something big would be nice. An athletic 4/5 and a serious threat from 3 would be huge. Iím sure AG has a list and is checking it twice. I would love to see what it looks like. It stinks that Schutt and Colin Smith went elsewhere, but it was exciting to be in the final group of schools. I would love to get a hold of the tv shrinking teleportation thing from Willy Wonka. It would be cool to be able to have an ear in AGís office!
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We got Santos late in the game last season and that worked out pretty well. The sky is not falling yet.
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The last couple of weeks have been soul crushing on the recruiting front. Weíve watched some prized targets end up at Richmond, Va Tech, UK, Santa Barbara, and Fordham. Getting Posh and Santos was awesome, but something big would be nice. An athletic 4/5 and a serious threat from 3 would be huge. Iím sure AG has a list and is checking it twice. I would love to see what it looks like. It stinks that Schutt and Colin Smith went elsewhere, but it was exciting to be in the final group of schools. I would love to get a hold of the tv shrinking teleportation thing from Willy Wonka. It would be cool to be able to have an ear in AGís office!
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I don't really get this, if we didn't get posh and santos left that would have been soul crushing. As of right now, it's not like there's a ton of minutes left to give out without some hard compeitition. These guys aren't going to risk sitting on the bench playing 7 minutes a game if they have better options.
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We got Santos late in the game last season and that worked out pretty well. The sky is not falling yet.
For some, the sky is ALWAYS falling!

While I think things will work out fine, the level of unknown is certainly uncomfortable. We are not hearing much about visits either HS or transfer. Holmes is attending the NBA combine over the next few days. While most of us believe he is gone, he hasn't made it official. For the conspiracy theorists... the outbound transfers have been removed from the roster on the official team site but Holmes is still listed.

While I still think things will work out fine, it would be nice to hear about activity. I'm sure there is plenty of it that we don't know about. People have a tendency to fill in silence.
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I don't really get this, if we didn't get posh and santos left that would have been soul crushing. As of right now, it's not like there's a ton of minutes left to give out without some hard compeitition. These guys aren't going to risk sitting on the bench playing 7 minutes a game if they have better options.
I hope the reference to Willy Wonka let you know that this wasnít a sky is falling post. Itís ok that it has sucked a bit with some guys going elsewhere. Itís alright to admit it. Like I said, it would be really cool to be able to listen in on AGís office. He holds his cards close to his vest, and he strikes me as someone who has a lot going on with few surprises. I was actually trying to inject some levity and a looking forward kinda perspective. I think there is a bit of fun with intense portal sprints. I do think itís exciting to see how this all plays out.
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Not remotely surprised we missed on Schutt. Our guard room is loaded with players already ensconced in the system.

I'd love to add another guard before all is said and done, but I doubt it will be a big name. If we get one it will be a freshman or more of a "project."

For bigs, I think the same thing applies until the Holmes decision is known.
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Not remotely surprised we missed on Schutt. Our guard room is loaded with players already ensconced in the system.

I'd love to add another guard before all is said and done, but I doubt it will be a big name. If we get one it will be a freshman or more of a "project."

For bigs, I think the same thing applies until the Holmes decision is known.
I could be 100% wrong on this but I take the fact that these other bigs in the portal are picking what are in my opinion "lesser" programs, as a sign that the Holmes situation for next year is far from settled. Otherwise, I think AG would be able to tell these guys they will start/play next year. If you are a guy transferring for playing time, the last thing you want to do is commit and then find out an All American is coming back.
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We got Santos late in the game last season and that worked out pretty well. The sky is not falling yet.
True but we are impatient for the replacements to get onboard for the new season. We won our first NCAA game and the thought of losing guys to UCSB and Fordham is terrible.
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True but we are impatient for the replacements to get onboard for the new season. We won our first NCAA game and the thought of losing guys to UCSB and Fordham is terrible.
In the old days it would be concerning but NIL is the great unknown now

Maybe Fordham dumped most of its NIL budget into Smith. Or UD didnít they were worth the asking price
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In the old days it would be concerning but NIL is the great unknown now

Maybe Fordham dumped most of its NIL budget into Smith. Or UD didnít they were worth the asking price
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I just found something (unverified) saying that Fordham has spent $4M on NIL for the menís basketball team. The blurb said that they spent more than GW, LaSalle, and SLU. It doesnít mention UD. Thatís weird to me. Isnít UD the school that the rest of the A10 likes to dislike?
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It just doesnít seem possible that Fordham has spent $4M. An unverified source put this on X, which seems closer to reality: https://x.com/winbeig/status/1764742...nw2vTEAEzApuvA.
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I don't think I'd believe any NIL numbers posted anywhere. No collective is going to reveal what they have spent or how much they have, or have access to. Why would they? Why show your hand? You "might" get some relatively correct information from a player or two, or from their representative, but even that would be suspect at best.
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I don't think I'd believe any NIL numbers posted anywhere. No collective is going to reveal what they have spent or how much they have, or have access to. Why would they? Why show your hand? You "might" get some relatively correct information from a player or two, or from their representative, but even that would be suspect at best.
Would a public university's NIL spending be subject to FOIA? Not saying it would or wouldn't, just wondering out loud.
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Would a public university's NIL spending be subject to FOIA? Not saying it would or wouldn't, just wondering out loud.
I believe they are a non-profit organization, so I believe their numbers would be public.
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I just found something (unverified) saying that Fordham has spent $4M on NIL for the men’s basketball team. The blurb said that they spent more than GW, LaSalle, and SLU. It doesn’t mention UD. That’s weird to me. Isn’t UD the school that the rest of the A10 likes to dislike?
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I've done a lot of hunting to try and nail down some numbers, and while I have not seen anything specific to Fordham, I would be SHOCKED if they found $4M in NIL for men's basketball. I can't even find a true collective for them. I would guess it's closer to $400K than $4M.

My guess is that we lost out on a guy to them the old fashioned way: they promised him a major role and we wouldn't. I know this is hard to believe, but plenty of players are still picking schools offering less money if there's a better fit for them, whether that's play style, role, guaranteed min, etc.
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I've done a lot of hunting to try and nail down some numbers, and while I have not seen anything specific to Fordham, I would be SHOCKED if they found $4M in NIL for men's basketball. I can't even find a true collective for them. I would guess it's closer to $400K than $4M.

My guess is that we lost out on a guy to them the old fashioned way: they promised him a major role and we wouldn't. I know this is hard to believe, but plenty of players are still picking schools offering less money if there's a better fit for them, whether that's play style, role, guaranteed min, etc.
They started a collective last year. It was referenced in one of the articles I read.
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I believe they are a non-profit organization, so I believe their numbers would be public.
If Dayton 6th isnít receiving public funds, Iím not sure they are subject to public records requests.
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All non-profits have to make financial statements available to the public. Not sure the detail it would show, but at least total income and expenses. So probably not what they gave to an individual, but the total they gave out for the year. However, info for 2024, would not be available till probably 2025, after their fiscal year end.
Doesnít it go state by state regarding non-profit record keeping? Iím truly curious what the collectives will need to report.
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Doesnít it go state by state regarding non-profit record keeping? Iím truly curious what the collectives will need to report.
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Tax exempt organizations are required to file a 990 (or something similar), and they're publicly accessible. They fell well behind during the pandemic and the most recent year available is 2022.

https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-pr...ization-search

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Tax exempt organizations are required to file a 990 (or something similar), and they're publicly accessible. They fell well behind during the pandemic and the most recent year available is 2022.

https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-pr...ization-search

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/
The 2nd link is fun. Iíll need to look up more non-profits when I can figure out their legal names. I do wonder about the limited use for collectives. Since collectives can work as intermediaries, I would think that the checks can go directly from an interest to a player. Does Leeís process payment directly to Holmes or does it go through the Dayton 6th?
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The 2nd link is fun. Iíll need to look up more non-profits when I can figure out their legal names. I do wonder about the limited use for collectives. Since collectives can work as intermediaries, I would think that the checks can go directly from an interest to a player. Does Leeís process payment directly to Holmes or does it go through the Dayton 6th?
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Lee's is going to pay directly.

Dayton 6th is a middleman for people who don't have a real need or want to deal with the paperwork of compensating a student-athlete.

If I own say a tool and die company, it's easier on my end to just give the money to Dayton 6th

If my memory serves Dayton 6th is not a nonprofit which I think is a mistake, or there at least needs to be a 501c3, because some people might be more inclined to donate to the tax deductible option
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Lee's is going to pay directly.

Dayton 6th is a middleman for people who don't have a real need or want to deal with the paperwork of compensating a student-athlete.

If I own say a tool and die company, it's easier on my end to just give the money to Dayton 6th

If my memory serves Dayton 6th is not a nonprofit which I think is a mistake, or there at least needs to be a 501c3, because some people might be more inclined to donate to the tax deductible option
I think NIL collectives are expected to disappear (or take on a reduced role) going forward now that universities will start paying athletes directly. The state of Virginia recently passed a law that allows it, and it's believed that The Big Sort--next phase of college athletics--will involve schools paying directly to players with a kind of salary cap (or salary floor).

What becomes of NIL after university salaries is uncertain. I'm not sure The Big Sort administration will have the legal ability to limit endorsements (the NFL has little to no say over Joe Burrow's endorsement deals), but maybe it'll be forbidden/controlled as part of the contracts with universities?

So, then whither NIL collectives? I suspect universities will want as much control of the situation as possible and likely bring them in-house (which is already kinda starting to happen).

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From the Dayton 6th website:

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Dayton 6th has been created as a nonprofit corporation, but it is not a 501(c)(3). This was based on the advice of legal and tax professionals. However, some individual and business contributions may be tax deductible as marketing expenses. Every individualís circumstance is different, so we encourage you to consult with appropriate tax professionals to determine whether there may be tax benefits on your contribution.
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Is my financial contribution tax deductible?
Dayton 6th has been created as a nonprofit corporation, but it is not a 501(c)(3). This was based on the advice of legal and tax professionals. However, some individual and business contributions may be tax deductible as marketing expenses. Every individual’s circumstance is different, so we encourage you to consult with appropriate tax professionals to determine whether there may be tax benefits on your contribution.
Interesting.

So basically, they are not going to tell you anything about how much they have, who they give it to, or if you can get tax benefits. Keep those donations coming, though!
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Interesting.

So basically, they are not going to tell you anything about how much they have, who they give it to, or if you can get tax benefits. Keep those donations coming, though!
Well they did say that in most cases the contribution is not deductable. However some contributions may be depending on the the donors business situation. Would be hard for Dayton6th to know the individual donor's situation. Other than that, it does appear to be a black box, at least so far.
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Interesting.

So basically, they are not going to tell you anything about how much they have, who they give it to, or if you can get tax benefits. Keep those donations coming, though!
They still have to file disclosures as a nonprofit. It isn't available yet given that it is so new, but I was able to find where it would be on the state's website.

It's also a good call not to make it a 501(c)(3), as the IRS is not a fan and likely will be coming down on many collectives in the future:

https://www.irs.gov/pub/lanoa/am-2023-004-508v.pdf
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They started a collective last year. It was referenced in one of the articles I read.
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They have the Rose Hill Exchange, but that doesn't seem like a Collective in the same sense that Dayton 6th is. It looks more like a website where a business can jump on, pick an athlete, and work out a deal with them. I didn't get the impression from looking at it that they're proactively raising money as a collective or proactively seeking opportunities for athletes, and I can't see any way it would be able to dedicate funds to an athlete who isn't a current student (i.e. a recruit). It looked more like a place that can passively get interested businesses in touch with specific athletes to hammer out a presumably smaller NIL deal.
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I thought the IRS already came down, or has filed lawsuites against an aTm and maybe a FSU collective about a year ago.
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It only takes 1 wealthy alum, fan, business, etc.... the change the NIL collective for any school.


Imagine if Warrent Buffet decided to donate 1% of his net worth to nebraska or Creighton. I'm pretty sure either of their collectives would then be setup for a long, long time with a 1.4 billion dollar cash infusion.


While very few schools have an alum on the level of Buffet's net worth, I'm sure Fordham has multiple alums that have done well. Perhaps one or two of them decided to throw some cash at their school.
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They have the Rose Hill Exchange, but that doesn't seem like a Collective in the same sense that Dayton 6th is. It looks more like a website where a business can jump on, pick an athlete, and work out a deal with them. I didn't get the impression from looking at it that they're proactively raising money as a collective or proactively seeking opportunities for athletes, and I can't see any way it would be able to dedicate funds to an athlete who isn't a current student (i.e. a recruit). It looked more like a place that can passively get interested businesses in touch with specific athletes to hammer out a presumably smaller NIL deal.
The Dayton 6th is just one form of collective. I did read that Fordham is getting donations. They may be taking a more targeted approach by reaching out to specific deep pocketed interests. That may be a smart approach. It will be interesting to see if schools see a drop in donations as alumni shift their money to collectives. That would be a harsh unintended result.
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The Dayton 6th is just one form of collective. I did read that Fordham is getting donations. They may be taking a more targeted approach by reaching out to specific deep pocketed interests. That may be a smart approach. It will be interesting to see if schools see a drop in donations as alumni shift their money to collectives. That would be a harsh unintended result.
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They could, but the school can't just hand it over. Somebody has to facilitate giving it to the athletes and I would think there would be some structure, unless it's just 1 rich guy cutting checks to whoever the coaches tell him to. Even then, it'd be weird for a team that never previously had any resources to suddenly have $4M a year to pay players - an amount that would probably put them among the top NILs in the sport. For a school that has never seemed to invest a lot into the team/facilities etc., I can't imagine they had big donor(s) sitting on the sidelines waiting for this opportunity. It's not impossible, but it would be a shock to everybody.
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They could, but the school can't just hand it over. Somebody has to facilitate giving it to the athletes and I would think there would be some structure, unless it's just 1 rich guy cutting checks to whoever the coaches tell him to. Even then, it'd be weird for a team that never previously had any resources to suddenly have $4M a year to pay players - an amount that would probably put them among the top NILs in the sport. For a school that has never seemed to invest a lot into the team/facilities etc., I can't imagine they had big donor(s) sitting on the sidelines waiting for this opportunity. It's not impossible, but it would be a shock to everybody.
Hey, all it takes is former alum/player Denzel Washington growing tired of his team losing and finally having a chance to get some good players there.
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How is a player's worth determined?
There's Kelly's Blue Book for cars and income potential for buying a business.
Is there bidding, best offer, payment based on results, WAG...what???
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How is a player's worth determined?
There's Kelly's Blue Book for cars and income potential for buying a business.
Is there bidding, best offer, payment based on results, WAG...what???
Not sure there is anything scientific to determine it, although in today's climate a lot has to do with social media presence.
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They could, but the school can't just hand it over. Somebody has to facilitate giving it to the athletes and I would think there would be some structure, unless it's just 1 rich guy cutting checks to whoever the coaches tell him to. Even then, it'd be weird for a team that never previously had any resources to suddenly have $4M a year to pay players - an amount that would probably put them among the top NILs in the sport. For a school that has never seemed to invest a lot into the team/facilities etc., I can't imagine they had big donor(s) sitting on the sidelines waiting for this opportunity. It's not impossible, but it would be a shock to everybody.
I think the $4M figure was way off. It points out how little is actually known about the collectives at this point. I also donít think that a collectiveís revenue tells the entire story. There seems to be a tremendous amount of money that goes around the collective.
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Would a public university's NIL spending be subject to FOIA? Not saying it would or wouldn't, just wondering out loud.
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I believe they are a non-profit organization, so I believe their numbers would be public.
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How is a player's worth determined?
There's Kelly's Blue Book for cars and income potential for buying a business.
Is there bidding, best offer, payment based on results, WAG...what???
Here you go . . .

https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-100/

https://curastory.co/insights/nil-valuation-explained/
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Why don't we take this discussion to the NIL thread and talk potential transfers here.
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Why don't we take this discussion to the NIL thread and talk potential transfers here.
Thank you. I was just getting ready to ask, is this the Transfer Portal thread or the NIL thread.
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FWIW... there are still a fair amount of transfers that could help. Top remaining transfers after the early entry withdraws:

Per TheAthletic

Coleman Hawkins F Illinois
Jamir Watkins F FSU
Berke Buyuktuncel F UCLA
August Mahoney SG Yale
Arthur Kaluma F K State
Wooga Poplar G Miami
Trevon Brazile F Arkansas
Ugonna Onyenso C Kentucky


24/7 had most of the same names. They also had:

Garwey Dual PG Providence
Wesley Yates SG Washington
Ken Evans Jr. SG Jackson State
Arterio Morris CG Texas
DJ Burns PF Youngstown State

There were another 8 ranked in the 24/7 Top 200.
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Only know some about poplar and Dual. They could both probably help us
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FWIW... there are still a fair amount of transfers that could help. Top remaining transfers after the early entry withdraws:

Per TheAthletic

Coleman Hawkins F Illinois
Jamir Watkins F FSU
Berke Buyuktuncel F UCLA
August Mahoney SG Yale
Arthur Kaluma F K State
Wooga Poplar G Miami
Trevon Brazile F Arkansas
Ugonna Onyenso C Kentucky


24/7 had most of the same names. They also had:

Garwey Dual PG Providence
Wesley Yates SG Washington
Ken Evans Jr. SG Jackson State
Arterio Morris CG Texas
DJ Burns PF Youngstown State

There were another 8 ranked in the 24/7 Top 200.
I would say trade Brea for Onyenso, but he only averaged 4 ppg. Seems to be a good swatter, though. Had five blocks vs. Oakland.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ugonna-onyenso
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How realistic is it to think that a kid who was in the NBA draft process (and therefore assumingly got plenty of minutes last year), is going to transfer from a high major program to UD? Our history of getting kids from high major programs seems to be kids who are not getting the minutes they want, or after a coaching change.
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How realistic is it to think that a kid who was in the NBA draft process (and therefore assumingly got plenty of minutes last year), is going to transfer from a high major program to UD? Our history of getting kids from high major programs seems to be kids who are not getting the minutes they want, or after a coaching change.
Agreed. I don't see super high profile transfers coming to Dayton. I think the Zed Keys and the Posh Alexanders of the world as much pedigree as we can expect. And that's fine, we've done well with less heralded guys like Jordan Sibert, Charles Cooke, Ibi Watson, Toumani Camara (though he's probably close to Zed and Posh), Nate Santos, etc.

I do wonder when Grant's development of big men starts paying off with consistency. It's been incredible, and you'd have to think, big NIL payday or not some dudes would do their homework and want to come work under Grant. Noah, Horford, Toppin, Camara, Holmes; that's some lineage! Surprised we're not able to pull more Holmes-level recruits, second tier just below the five-star, McDonald's All-Americans types.
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Agreed. I don't see super high profile transfers coming to Dayton. I think the Zed Keys and the Posh Alexanders of the world as much pedigree as we can expect. And that's fine, we've done well with less heralded guys like Jordan Sibert, Charles Cooke, Ibi Watson, Toumani Camara (though he's probably close to Zed and Posh), Nate Santos, etc.

I do wonder when Grant's development of big men starts paying off with consistency. It's been incredible, and you'd have to think, big NIL payday or not some dudes would do their homework and want to come work under Grant. Noah, Horford, Toppin, Camara, Holmes; that's some lineage! Surprised we're not able to pull more Holmes-level recruits, second tier just below the five-star, McDonald's All-Americans types.
I think one differentiating factor for all of the above UD players is they all learned how to put the ball on the court and penetrate into the paint. A big man with the ability to dribble into paint presents a nightmare for the defense.
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Agreed. I don't see super high profile transfers coming to Dayton. I think the Zed Keys and the Posh Alexanders of the world as much pedigree as we can expect. And that's fine, we've done well with less heralded guys like Jordan Sibert, Charles Cooke, Ibi Watson, Toumani Camara (though he's probably close to Zed and Posh), Nate Santos, etc.

I do wonder when Grant's development of big men starts paying off with consistency. It's been incredible, and you'd have to think, big NIL payday or not some dudes would do their homework and want to come work under Grant. Noah, Horford, Toppin, Camara, Holmes; that's some lineage! Surprised we're not able to pull more Holmes-level recruits, second tier just below the five-star, McDonald's All-Americans types.

Onyenso from UK could be just the ticket.
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I like this quote from CAG. I don't like that he has to say something like this, but he's clearly making adjustments to deal with the changing landscape:

“It’s a new era,” Grant said. “We’re putting the team together now, and there’s a commitment that we’re asking for the next 10 months. We’re going to try to accomplish something really good together. Let’s commit to 10 months, and then let’s figure out what’s the best thing for you. What’s the best thing for us? What’s the best thing moving forward? And it doesn’t have to be a contentious thing. Let’s just figure out what’s best. What you feel is best for you I may not like, but I have to respect the fact that it’s the best thing for you. Let’s move forward, and figure it out. Whatever decision you make, you’ve got to go make that work. Then we have to figure out, ‘OK, how do we move forward based on your decision.’”

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AG was seen on campus this weekend with a tall skinny white kid that sounded Slavic. Anyone know more?
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I freely admit that Iím a Slavophile and would love to see AG grab a Slav. My preference is a Croatian big who can shoot. Gonzaga, Illinois, Arkansas, and Colorado State have all added Croats and Serbs. Itís our turn!
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How about a Slavic Nate Green?
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David Mirkovic? He would be a huge get if thatís who it is. He has been involved with Basketball without Borders, so AG might have some familiarity with him. Heís Montenegrin rather than Croatian, but heís still a Slav.
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From what I have read, Ruzic would be very interesting as a Flyer. Highly skilled with a well developed 3 point shot and ability to create his own shot. Differing opinions on athleticism - perhaps not especially quick or athletic.
I have no idea if he’s being recruited by UD or anybody else. But the snippets suggest to me he’s a man who would do well at UD and isn’t necessarily a blue blood target.
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It would make sense for a Slavic player to have been on campus over the weekend as the Eurocamp at Treviso was held last week. There were 3 Slavic players who received high mention, and they all could be seen as tall and skinny. There is a 6í11Ē Serb who would be a cool fit. He has some offensive skills and can even shoot from 3. Whatever the outcome, color me intrigued!
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Looks like it's happening based off social media, so have patience, and no he's not Slavic.
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Poop. Well, Iím glad something is happening. Iím excited to see what kind of in roads AG is making into Europe.
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Looks like it's happening based off social media, so have patience, and no he's not Slavic.
Can you give us anything? Iím curious what social networking sites you follow.
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Nice hint. And if it’s who I think it is, perhaps a bit of a project, but one definitely worth taking. As they say, you can’t teach height like that.
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Seems interesting. Fills a need.
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Nice hint. And if itís who I think it is, perhaps a bit of a project, but one definitely worth taking. As they say, you canít teach height like that.
If youíre right, he had a some big games this year. He was identified as a talent and played at the big camp in Treviso last year (seems to be a u18 event). Played well.
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Can we cut the crap and just say who it is? I assume a transfer given the thread we're in? I've seen nothing on IG.
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