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Old 12-18-2017, 06:45 PM
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Early RPI

Dayton: 56
Strength of Schedule: 2

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Our RPI is 75, not 56.
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How is our SOS in Sagarin 124, but in RealTimeRPI it is 10? (12/18 evening)

I know 10 games is a relatively small sample for averages, but it is 1/3 of the season. Is there any basic difference in their formulas (formulae?)

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Sullivan and the team (including Chris) put together a masterful schedule. Win the first game in the tournament against Hofstra and beat Miss St/Penn and UD would have been in the 30's or 40's.
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The key number for this year is:

Finish over 0.500
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How is our SOS in Sagarin 124, but in RealTimeRPI it is 10? (12/18 evening)

I know 10 games is a relatively small sample for averages, but it is 1/3 of the season. Is there any basic difference in their formulas (formulae?)

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Sagarin uses their own algorithm and is not the NCAA RPI. RealTimeRPI is not accurate. The UDPride RPI is as accurate as you will find.

http://www.udpride.com/images/rpi.htm

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...and that right there is why the RPI is meaningless at this time of the year in evaluating a team.
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Flyer OOC Schedule

Out-of-conference opponents are a combined 95-37 (72%) as of today.
Teams the Flyers beat are 35-19 (65%) and teams the Flyers lost to are 53-15 (78%), with Wagner (7-3) still to be determined.
ESPN RPI has Dayton at 52 as of today, with the second toughest schedule in division I

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Maybe I am too simple but, if you don't win the games in a schedule that you created, what's the difference what your RPI and SOS is?

You are what your record says you are - and we are a struggling 500 team this year but with kids getting valuable experience for the run next year.
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Originally Posted by Flyer68 View Post
Maybe I am too simple but, if you don't win the games in a schedule that you created, what's the difference what your RPI and SOS is?
Because come selection Sunday, a team that went 10-2 OOC isn't always going to be viewed as being the better team vs. one that went 7-5 depending on who they played (SOS)
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The A10 has dropped to the 11th best conference this year, behind the MVC, MAC, and the Mountain West. That ranking may change before the year is over.

The American is projected to get 5 NCAAT bids.

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Maybe I am too simple but, if you don't win the games in a schedule that you created, what's the difference what your RPI and SOS is?

You are what your record says you are - and we are a struggling 500 team this year but with kids getting valuable experience for the run next year.
Is this just intellectual dishonesty? I mean clearly if we were .500 against the 320th ranked schedule vs the 2nd, wouldn't that be worse?
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We would have to have a tremendous upgrade in guards to make any kind of run!
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The A10 has dropped to the 11th best conference this year, behind the MVC, MAC, and the Mountain West. That ranking may change before the year is over.

The American is projected to get 5 NCAAT bids.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/confrpi.html

Yet just a few months ago, a few on here wanted to argue that the A-10 was a better conference than the American even after WSU joined the American.

Not a single team in the American with a losing record in non conference play.
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www.bracketmatrix.com, they track 46 bracketology sites

Rhody 8 seed

Bonnies 11 seed, in the first 4

Auburn 10 seed

St. Mary's 11 seed, not in the first 4

Penn 16

Wagner 16

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Yet just a few months ago, a few on here wanted to argue that the A-10 was a better conference than the American even after WSU joined the American.

Not a single team in the American with a losing record in non conference play.
If/when UConn & Memphis get it going again that gap is gonna grow
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Bracket Matrix drops the Bonnies to the first four out.

Miss State moves up to the next four out.

Auburn jumps up to a 5 seed.

SMC 10

Rhody 9

Penn 16

Wagner drops out.

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The A10 moved up to #10 from #11, but we are usually 7 or 8 I think.

The top half(approximately)of the A10 is fine this year, the bottom half is killing us though.

Too many 200+ rpi teams, that kills the conference's rpi.

And GM has been a big disappointment so far, they have been a bad addition so far.


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8.9 Rhode Island

39.6 St. Bonaventure

95.6 Davidson

120.7 Dayton

120.9 VCU

143.5 Saint Louis

177.9 Richmond

185.1 La Salle

186.3 Saint Joseph's

213.0 Massachusetts

216.6 George Washington

226.3 George Mason

236.9 Duquesne

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Auburn a 2

Rhody a 5

Mississippi State in the next 4 out
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The A10 needs to adopt some sort of rolling average rpi policy. If your 5 year rolling average rpi goes above 200, then you are put on probation, and you have 5 years to get in compliance. If you do not comply, then you get kicked out of the conference.
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Dance card has started. SBU currently right at the cut line. They need to keep winning and either beat URI or have that be their only other loss.

Even if they win out and lose in the title game they shouldn't consider themselves safe considering the snub from a couple years ago. Which, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe was the worst statistical snub ever.
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Dance card has started. SBU currently right at the cut line. They need to keep winning and either beat URI or have that be their only other loss.

Even if they win out and lose in the title game they shouldn't consider themselves safe considering the snub from a couple years ago. Which, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe was the worst statistical snub ever.
You got.

URI is at SBU on Friday night. It should have as intense of a crowd that you will ever see in college bball. Small gym, packed with a whole lot of students that like to drink.
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GM has been a big disappointment so far, they have been a bad addition so far.
Agreed. Mason showed signs of life last year. Very disappointing what they've done this year.

When we added GMU I thought it was a mistake, and I still think they weren't a great choice. Back then, I advocated for College of Charleston, and I still think they'd be much better. Attendance figures both around 4K, nice facilities, and I really like where that program is headed... assuming Sam Miller doesn't mess it up. CofC's young head coach Earl Grant has done a very impressive job, and I think he'd have them competitive in the A10.

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Season University Overall Conf Standing Postseason
2013–14 George Mason 11–20 4–12 11th NA
2014–15 George Mason 9–22 4–14 13th NA
2015–16 George Mason 11–21 5–13 T–12th NA
2016–17 George Mason 20–14 9–9 T–7th CBI First Round
2017–18 George Mason 11–14 5-7 T-9th NA

College of Charleston (CAA Conference)

2013–14 College of Charleston 14–18 6–10 6th
2014–15 College of Charleston 9–24 3–15 10th
2015–16 College of Charleston 17–14 8–10 7th
2016–17 College of Charleston 25–10 14–4 2nd NIT First round
2017–18 College of Charleston 20-6 11-3 1st ???

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Dance card has started. SBU currently right at the cut line. They need to keep winning and either beat URI or have that be their only other loss.

Even if they win out and lose in the title game they shouldn't consider themselves safe considering the snub from a couple years ago. Which, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe was the worst statistical snub ever.
Dance Card had them at 100% that year.
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I'm sure the league and some member like having another Virginia school

Who could have ever predicted that Paul Hewitt would fail there?

He did a good job at Siena. National Runner Up at Georgia Tech

Based on the mileage one NCAA win gets you 5 should put him in the company of Coach K
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Agreed. Mason showed signs of life last year. Very disappointing what they've done this year.
I hope they stay disappointing for another couple of days.
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The A10 needs to adopt some sort of rolling average rpi policy. If your 5 year rolling average rpi goes above 200, then you are put on probation, and you have 5 years to get in compliance. If you do not comply, then you get kicked out of the conference.
I looked at the last 24 years of the A10.

Just looking at the last 5 years. If the above rule was in effect, then both Duquesne and Fordham would be on probation. DU at least has shown some life with Dambrot, and I thought Fordham was on the right track with hc Neubauer, but they have fallen back.

Looking at the last 10 years, only Fordham would be on probation.

Going back to years 11-24, Fordham has consistently been near the bottom of the league.

Duquesne has been better than Fordham.

Fordham should be kicked out.


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2016-2017 11-19 0.4690 223 0.5167 114
2015-2016 15-16 0.5029 162 0.5190 114
2014-2015 11-19 0.4690 223 0.5167 114
2013-2014 12-17 0.4867 188 0.5113 132
2012-2013 8-22 0.4633 228 0.5393 90
2011-2012 15-15 0.5354 109 0.5523 57
2010-2011 17-12 0.5345 108 0.5176 125
2009-2010 15-15 0.5274 114 0.5393 86
2008-2009 21-12 0.5565 75 0.5303 97
2007-2008 17-13 0.5220 130 0.5089 133
2006-2007 10-19 0.4631 222 0.5026 141
2005-2006 3-24 0.3999 308 0.5015 153
2004-2005 8-22 0.4418 259 0.5010 150
2003-2004 12-17 0.4905 162 0.5161 114
2002-2003 9-21 0.4558 243 0.5077 130
2001-2002 9-19 0.4847 185 0.5392 69
2000-2001 9-21 0.4581 224 0.5108 124
1999-2000 9-20 0.4600 212 0.5099 130
1998-1999 4-23 0.4154 270 0.5045 128
1997-1998 11-19 0.5002 145 0.5447 63
1996-1997 9-18 0.4861 173 0.5370 79
1995-1996 9-18 0.4636 206 0.5071 130
1994-1995 10-18 0.4830 167 0.5250 95
1993-1994 16-12 0.5508 73 0.5439 69



Fordham Rams RPI History

Season Record RPI Rank SOS Rank
2016-2017 9-21 0.4610 238 0.5313 89
2015-2016 16-13 0.4960 176 0.4933 168
2014-2015 9-21 0.4610 238 0.5313 89
2013-2014 10-21 0.4719 226 0.5319 99
2012-2013 7-24 0.4629 230 0.5446 80
2011-2012 10-19 0.4579 240 0.5120 133
2010-2011 7-21 0.4452 252 0.5295 96
2009-2010 2-26 0.4108 306 0.5321 102
2008-2009 3-25 0.4225 291 0.5329 89
2007-2008 11-17 0.4974 168 0.5376 82
2006-2007 18-12 0.5337 107 0.5096 125
2005-2006 16-16 0.5162 134 0.5145 124
2004-2005 13-16 0.4808 191 0.4951 159
2003-2004 6-22 0.4661 211 0.5500 56
2002-2003 2-26 0.4168 289 0.5320 82
2001-2002 8-20 0.4601 233 0.5182 111
2000-2001 12-17 0.5014 148 0.5306 88
1999-2000 14-15 0.5200 135 0.5324 88
1998-1999 12-15 0.4706 201 0.4793 179
1997-1998 6-21 0.4506 219 0.5267 91
1996-1997 6-21 0.4349 239 0.5058 123
1995-1996 4-23 0.4195 262 0.5100 124
1994-1995 9-17 0.4332 244 0.4622 216
1993-1994 11-15 0.4289 243 0.4308 283
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I admire you for grabbing the bull by the balls and trying to kick those punks out.

But Neubauer is Niedermeyer. He's a sneaky little ****.

What I'm trying to say is that Fordham's already on probation.

Double secret probation.
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Fordham tried an NBA guy. That didn't work. Last 3 hires had good on paper pedigrees (for what Fordham is capable of getting) coming up from lower leagues. They've got some better players there I would have expected for a program with like 2 winning seasons in 20 years.

Not sure if Pecora couldn't make them competitive it's possible to win there
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Fordham' problems are institutional. The bottom line is the administration doesn't care about basketball. They spend much more money on their football program. Why? Because they get away with it.

If it were up to me I'd kick out Fordham and LaSalle. LaSalle spends next to nothing on all sports. Their Olympic sports are disgraceful. I'd keep Duquesne because Pittsburgh is a major city that serves as a bridge for UD and St. Louis. I'd consider adding Belmont and Hofstra but would prefer adding none.
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I'd be curious to know if Fordham has the worst conference record of any team in D1 this century
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Don't know about past years but in the current year, so far, 77(+/-) teams have less total wins than the Rams. a bunch have the same(9). In conference play, so far, there are 90 teams with 4 or less wins.

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