Another conference shake up coming? Texas and Oklahoma lobby SEC for entry.

[OSU Flyer]

Knowing that it's virtually impossible to kick teams out of the A10 this is an extreme long shot but I think given all that's going on the only conference upgrade

The NCAA has said they aren't taking away at large bids or adding new automatic bids

Given that you hope the OVC goes under, get control of their autobid and form a new conference shedding Fordham, La Salle, etc. like the Mountain West did to the WAC in the 90s

I think at the end of the day the problem is that for the vast majority of A10 teams the current set up works for them

Maybe UD, STL or VCU would really care about changing the status quo

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo KC Flyer already cleaned up the UNI typos, thanks for that. The first statement is pure speculation. Why would any AAC team rule out the A10, especially WSU? You seem to be guessing and not basing your guess on any evidence or logic. Funny I actually remember a big rumor that ECU was headed to the A10 during the BE breakup. For the umpteenth time in this thread alone, the A10 is never dropping teams. Ever. Mentioning this (and I know Chris R does this too) is a complete non sequitur. You might as well be speaking your own language only you understand. Yes this could happen in a merger but no one ever talks about a merger they just talk about dropping teams. Not gonna happen! Your point, which is not new or interesting in any way, is that you don't think there is anyone worth adding. Cool, good to know. When thinking about this topic from now on I'll make sure to remember that UD2 and a few other UDPriders don't think anyone is good enough to add. The A10 has gone beyond 14 before. The A10 has added programs that are objectively worse than the potential additions we are discussing in this thread. Murray State, Belmont, and Wichita State would instantly make the conference better and more competitive. If you disagree with this last sentence that is perfectly fine, but a blanket statement that those teams aren't good enough and that we need to remove teams instead is simply not an argument. Provide evidence. Did you defend the addition of George Mason? Did you decry it? Would you advocate it over the teams I've mentioned?

George Mason, at the time of their addition to the A10, had a significantly stronger recent profile of performance than UNI, Murray State, Vermont, or Belmont. Wichita State is the only one with a stronger/similar profile vs. GM.

GM has totally bombed in the A10 vs. what was expected of them. Let's wait and see if Murray State and Belmont can excel in the tougher MVC, we do not want a repeat of GM.

WSU is never joining the A10.

Vermont is not going anywhere, you can grab them at any time, wait and see if they are able to up their game further.

Once you add somebody to the A10, you can never get rid of them, you are stuck with them forever, you need to be extremely picky about who you add.

I'm even lukewarm on UNI. I would not add them at this time. I need to see more from them.

The only way I would consider(again, I only said consider, I am not 100% sold), adding Murray State, Belmont, Vermont, or UNI right now is if the A10 was dissolved and a new league was formed from scratch, and this is a total fantasy, we all know that a new league will never be formed.

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[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 George Mason, at the time of their addition to the A10, had a significantly stronger recent profile of performance than UNI, Murray State, Vermont, or Belmont. Wichita State is the only one with a stronger/similar profile vs. GM. GM has totally bombed in the A10 vs. what was expected of them. Let's wait and see if Murray State and Belmont can excel in the tougher MVC, we do not want a repeat of GM. WSU is never joining the A10. Vermont is not going anywhere, you can grab them at any time, wait and see if they are able to up their game further. Once you add somebody to the A10, you can never get rid of them, you are stuck with them forever, you need to be extremely picky about who you add. I'm even lukewarm on UNI. I would not add them at this time. I need to see more from them. The only way I would consider(again, I only said consider, I am not 100% sold), adding Murray State, Belmont, Vermont, or UNI right now is if the A10 was dissolved and a new league was formed from scratch, and this is a total fantasy, we all know that a new league will never be formed.

A good measure of a school's commitment is their investment in facilities and the level of fan support. A school that invests in top-tier facilities and consistently draws an average of 3500, let's say, reflects a serious enduring commitment to BB at a high level. And, or course, the reverse is also true. Such a commitment does not guarantee success but it is necessary for success which usually follows.

Consider the A10: Two schools (at least), Fordham and Lasalle are apparently satisfied with HS-level facilities. So long as the A1o tolerates that FU and LU will be a drag on the Conference by all measures. The A10 wouldn't have to "toss out" those two schools. Just establish minimum standards for facilities with a 5 year time limit for achievement. If either FU or LU refuses to meet the standard they are, in effect, choosing to leave the Conference. They are not being "kicked out".

Consider SJU: St. Joes is having a rough time at the moment. But the school has an illustrious history and has recently made a significant investment in a facility upgrade. SJU will never draw 10,000 in Philly. That's not necessary in order to demonstrate a serious commitment.

I have been in URI's Ryan Center a number of times. It is a top notch facility, the Rams draw well...and attendance at a game makes abundantly clear that top tier BB is an important objective at URI.

It is hard to believe that the heavy hitters, UD, SLU, VCU, along with programs like URI, SBU,..collectively cannot exert enough influence to force change in the A10. Clearly, it's in their interest and in the interest of other mid-Conference programs to maintain the A10 at the highest level possible. Toleration of programs like FU and LU, hangers on, that do not share commitment is harmful to those that do.

I don't think Chris has discussed this issue with Neil. Perhaps we're missing something. If so, I'd like to know what it is. Chris, the question for Neil is, "Why do A10 schools tolerate programs that drag down the others. And what can be done about it?"

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Bucketnight]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer Consider the A10: Two schools (at least), Fordham and Lasalle are apparently satisfied with HS-level facilities. So long as the A1o tolerates that FU and LU will be a drag on the Conference by all measures. The A10 wouldn't have to "toss out" those two schools. Just establish minimum standards for facilities with a 5 year time limit for achievement. If either FU or LU refuses to meet the standard they are, in effect, choosing to leave the Conference. They are not being "kicked out"... I don't think Chris has discussed this issue with Neil. Perhaps we're missing something. If so, I'd like to know what it is. Chris, the question for Neil is, "Why do A10 schools tolerate programs that drag down the others. And what can be done about it?"

It's a good question; I don't think we would get an honest answer. During media day, it would be great to pose that question at the commissioner level as well as to a each of the ADs to see what the consensus answer is (and to stir the pot a little).

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer It is hard to believe that the heavy hitters, UD, SLU, VCU, along with programs like URI, SBU,..collectively cannot exert enough influence to force change in the A10. Clearly, it's in their interest and in the interest of other mid-Conference programs to maintain the A10 at the highest level possible. Toleration of programs like FU and LU, hangers on, that do not share commitment is harmful to those that do. I don't think Chris has discussed this issue with Neil. Perhaps we're missing something. If so, I'd like to know what it is. Chris, the question for Neil is, "Why do A10 schools tolerate programs that drag down the others. And what can be done about it?"

What leverage do those 5 programs really have to influence something that never happens? Where are they going to go? Is the MVC inviting them all? Even if they did, they've got dogs there too and I don't believe their tier2 programs are as good as the A10's tier2.

The 5 program block has nowhere to go that improves their standing and none of them individually seems to have enough luster to go to the BE which is the only real individual upgrade.

To me, the only opportunity would be if all or the majority of those 5 got invited to the AAC and that is highly unlikely. I think UD and VCU need to stick together and at least 1 other of the 5 would need to go together for it to make any sense if it was even an option.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UD62]

So at the end of the day, after all the what ifs, maybes, could be's, should be's and have to be's., the A-10 is in a fairly good position, will not drop schools and may over time add a school or two, or not.

[springborofan]

Originally Posted by UD62 So at the end of the day, after all the what ifs, maybes, could be's, should be's and have to be's., the A-10 is in a fairly good position, will not drop schools and may over time add a school or two, or not.

And, thankfully, another off season is almost over!

[oldfan]

One of the more confusing arguments I see in this series of posts but also in other similar topics is that the A-10 would be better if they got rid of the bottom feeders. I suppose the argument being the schedule would be stronger and the league would get more recognition and therefore have a better chance to build a name and get bids to the NCAA tournament.

My guess is just the opposite is as likely to occur. The result would be that some of the conference programs currently in the middle would now become the bottom feeders and they would be subject to calls to be banished from the league. The other and possibly even at the same time would be more parity in the league with each team beating up on each other (real parity) and no one team developing a good enough overall record to justify playing with the big boys. While the power 5 can get away with making the argument "sure we have a losing record but look who we lost to, we still belong in the tournament" this same argument would fall on deaf ears of the media and NCAA powers if made by a midlevel conference like the A 10.

The argument for dropping the current bottom feeders reminds me of a story one of my co workers told me. He was working for a big drug store chain when they fell on hard times. The Upper Management was going to be smart. They closed the stores that had the lowest profit. The problem they encountered was that after closing the stores the chain still had stores with the lowest profit and that their profit was lower than in the past because some of the fixed overhead was being spread over fewer stores. Eventually the chain closed down

What looks intelligent from a short term perspective may be just the opposite when viewed in the long term.

Frankly there is nothing wrong with padding your record with bottom feeders. Notre Dame under Digger Phelps made a name for itself in the 1970s by playing teams like Valpariso on Tuesday and UCLA on Saturday. They would win all their Tuesday games and split their Saturday games and make the argument that they should be ranked and in the tournament because their overall record was good and they had managed to beat some quality teams. Georgetown rose to power under John Thompson using the same formula. And it is one reason that today most power 5 conferences deliberately choose to play the weakest opponents possible out of conference to pad their won lost records.

Figure 1/4 of any conference is perennially bad and 1/4 are having bad years and a barely good team has a chance of going at least .500 in conference. And maybe even better if they get lucky and beat one of the really good conference teams at home. If they schedule enough patsys in the out of conference schedule they have an almost sure chance of winning over 20 games and making the argument that they belong in the Tournament.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by oldfan One of the more confusing arguments I see in this series of posts but also in other similar topics is that the A-10 would be better if they got rid of the bottom feeders. I suppose the argument being the schedule would be stronger and the league would get more recognition and therefore have a better chance to build a name and get bids to the NCAA tournament. My guess is just the opposite is as likely to occur. The result would be that some of the conference programs currently in the middle would now become the bottom feeders and they would be subject to calls to be banished from the league. The other and possibly even at the same time would be more parity in the league with each team beating up on each other (real parity) and no one team developing a good enough overall record to justify playing with the big boys. While the power 5 can get away with making the argument "sure we have a losing record but look who we lost to, we still belong in the tournament" this same argument would fall on deaf ears of the media and NCAA powers if made by a midlevel conference like the A 10. The argument for dropping the current bottom feeders reminds me of a story one of my co workers told me. He was working for a big drug store chain when they fell on hard times. The Upper Management was going to be smart. They closed the stores that had the lowest profit. The problem they encountered was that after closing the stores the chain still had stores with the lowest profit and that their profit was lower than in the past because some of the fixed overhead was being spread over fewer stores. Eventually the chain closed down What looks intelligent from a short term perspective may be just the opposite when viewed in the long term. Frankly there is nothing wrong with padding your record with bottom feeders. Notre Dame under Digger Phelps made a name for itself in the 1970s by playing teams like Valpariso on Tuesday and UCLA on Saturday. They would win all their Tuesday games and split their Saturday games and make the argument that they should be ranked and in the tournament because their overall record was good and they had managed to beat some quality teams. Georgetown rose to power under John Thompson using the same formula. And it is one reason that today most power 5 conferences deliberately choose to play the weakest opponents possible out of conference to pad their won lost records. Figure 1/4 of any conference is perennially bad and 1/4 are having bad years and a barely good team has a chance of going at least .500 in conference. And maybe even better if they get lucky and beat one of the really good conference teams at home. If they schedule enough patsys in the out of conference schedule they have an almost sure chance of winning over 20 games and making the argument that they belong in the Tournament.

Naturally, if you remove the traditional bottom feeders, a few of the traditional middle of the pack teams would become bottom feeders. The difference is, the teams that many want to get rid of show no desire to invest in basketball or facilities. Getting rid of Fordham and LaSalle would make the league much better in my opinion. All the other programs in the A10 have shown they will spend money and put in an effort to compete. While LaSalle has had some recent success, their facilities are by far the worst in the league and all their other sports are always bottom 3 of the league. GW, Duquesne, and St. Joe have all made investments into their teams and are at least showing effort to improve. I do not think we need to go crazy, but going back down to 12 teams would be ideal in my opinion.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[OSU Flyer]

@PeteThamel
Sources: Air Force and Colorado State will also be staying in the Mountain West. They had been heavily courted and considered the AAC, along with Boise State and San Diego State. All four schools will remain in the Mountain West.

[OSU Flyer]

The rumor is Memphis and Boise are headed to the Big 12 after Texas and Oklahoma officially leave.

If that's the case the AAC is in big trouble.

I think if all this goes down it increases the odds that Wichita is looking for a home

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer The rumor is Memphis and Boise are headed to the Big 12 after Texas and Oklahoma officially leave. If that's the case the AAC is in big trouble. I think if all this goes down it increases the odds that Wichita is looking for a home

From what I understand this is happening. There is nothing the AAC can do to save themselves (well there was, but that time passed). Can you all see now why I've been beating the Wichita drum so hard in here? The time is now! Catch that beautiful butterfly!

[OSU Flyer]

If the AAC is down to adding UAB, Marshall, Costal Carolina caliber teams that kills the conference if Memphis leaves

Navy could go independent again

I would say in that scenario SMU and/or Tulsa could jump ship to the MWC

The Missouri Valley might be a better league than what the AAC ends up being. Wichita could definitely bail. Marshall, App State, Costal Carolina, Arkansas State are going to sink the AAC as a top 10 basketball conference

If it's a worst case scenario for the AAC would Temple considering going indy and putting their olympic sports back in the A10? Sounds crazy but the AAC is glorified C-USA/Sun Belt in the worst case scenario

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer The rumor is Memphis and Boise are headed to the Big 12 after Texas and Oklahoma officially leave.

Kick out Fordham and LaSalle. Add Temple and Wichita State.

Yes please.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer I would say in that scenario SMU and/or Tulsa could jump ship to the MWC

I could see Gonzaga and Saint Mary's jumping to the MW also.

[Kansas City Flyer 99]

Looks like Murray St to the Valley is almost 100% done -- reports on KY radio and twitter.

WSU fans now want to return to the Valley.

Valley fans are dreaming of going to 16 now and taking Tulsa and WSU back from the AAC and inviting Dayton and St. Louis.

Full Disclosure Note: As mentioned in other posts in the past years I am a proud UD grad who has lived in Valley cities and become a huge Valley fan as well. So I feel this 16 team league would be great for Dayton.

[OSU Flyer]

Isn't a big part of the allure of the A10 is helps UD recruits students from the east coast?

I feel like a read somewhere that was a big selling point of the conference

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Isn't a big part of the allure of the A10 is helps UD recruits students from the east coast? I feel like a read somewhere that was a big selling point of the conference

UD is much more of a Midwest school now. I know that will upset the old NYC alums, but see demographics below. Top 5 states of enrollment are all Midwest.

If you click the map near the bottom, it gives you a state by state breakdown.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colle...sity/#overview

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Kansas City Flyer 99 Looks like Murray St to the Valley is almost 100% done -- reports on KY radio and twitter. WSU fans now want to return to the Valley. Valley fans are dreaming of going to 16 now and taking Tulsa and WSU back from the AAC and inviting Dayton and St. Louis. Full Disclosure Note: As mentioned in other posts in the past years I am a proud UD grad who has lived in Valley cities and become a huge Valley fan as well. So I feel this 16 team league would be great for Dayton.

No thanks. So you would have UD, SLU, Tulsa, WSU, and unproven Murray State and unproven Belmont. All of those other MVC schools, even Loyola, do not excite me. And Loyola just lost their hc.

WSU would be very foolish to chose the MVC over the A10, the A10 is a no brainer for them. Add WSU and Temple to the A10 and stick a fork in the AAC.

The A10 needs to go after WSU and Temple right now if this Memphis/Boise to the Big 12 rumor is true. Don't let something crazy happen like the AAC or the MVC somehow refortifying/start poaching other leagues/start poaching the A10. I am with hawkoooo on this, strike now.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[jack72]

So if the A10 was to bring in east coast kids, it is a dismal failure.

[The Fly]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 UD is much more of a Midwest school now. I know that will upset the old NYC alums, but see demographics below. Top 5 states of enrollment are all Midwest. If you click the map near the bottom, it gives you a state by state breakdown. https://www.collegefactual.com/colle...sity/#overview

Make that four of the top five. You’ll never tell a Pennsylvanian their state is in the Midwest. It’s in the Northeast, though truth be told there’s a world of difference between Pittsburgh and Philly. Nonetheless, even ‘Burghers — and I was one — consider their state in the Northeast. The U.S. government thinks likewise.

https://www.businessinsider.com/unit...t-south-2018-4

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by The Fly Make that four of the top five. You’ll never tell a Pennsylvanian their state is in the Midwest. It’s in the Northeast, though truth be told there’s a world of difference between Pittsburgh and Philly. Nonetheless, even ‘Burghers — and I was one — consider their state in the Northeast. The U.S. government thinks likewise. https://www.businessinsider.com/unit...t-south-2018-4

That's funny you say that! My friends from Pittsburgh all say that they are midwestern because they do not see themselves being the same as people from NYC or Boston.

[The Fly]

My Pittsburgh friends see it differently. Regardless, it is considered Northeast, even if much of Western Pennsylvania sports Midwest sensibilities. But on the whole, this is much ado about nothing as it pertains to conference affiliation. I hope UD continues to recruit a geographically diverse student body.

[hawkoooo]

Big East commissioner told The Athletic today that she will ask her presidents to examine expansion with the Fox deal expiring in 2025.

"What school helps with our basketball aspirations?"

OOOOOOOOOOOO pick me! I know!!!!

[Medford]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo Big East commissioner told The Athletic today that she will ask her presidents to examine expansion with the Fox deal expiring in 2025. "What school helps with our basketball aspirations?" OOOOOOOOOOOO pick me! I know!!!!

Wright State?

[Flyerferd]

The most important games on our schedule this year are St. Louis, VCU, Richmond, and God willing, a couple of games the weekend of March 17 through the 20th.
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	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Medford]

If she is asking the schools to looking into with the Fox deal coming up in a few seasons, that tells me that Fox, or other media entities are telling them they "need more product". So the key question is, how much more product to they need? 1 team to take them to 12, 3 to take them to 14, 5 to take them to 16? maybe even 4 to take them to 15?


Seems like FS1 is pretty much locked out of the ACC, SEC, B10, etc... for basektball, so its Big East or nothin, reasons they will be driving the ship on if and how expansion happens in the Big East.

[Flyerferd]

Originally Posted by Medford If she is asking the schools to looking into with the Fox deal coming up in a few seasons, that tells me that Fox, or other media entities are telling them they "need more product". So the key question is, how much more product to they need? 1 team to take them to 12, 3 to take them to 14, 5 to take them to 16? maybe even 4 to take them to 15? Seems like FS1 is pretty much locked out of the ACC, SEC, B10, etc... for basektball, so its Big East or nothin, reasons they will be driving the ship on if and how expansion happens in the Big East.

FS1 does broadcast Summit big 10, pac12, and I believe some Big 12 games. That said, Big East is the only I think they have near total rites to.
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[Bill McPeek]

I think that the Big East is very happy with the current makeup of the league. 11 teams, each team playing a true round robin, 20 conference games for each member. If the Big East expands it will be because Fox wants it.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

If the Bug East expands, it will be because their pockets become a bit fuller. The Big East can go somewhere else to get a deal. This is a mutually beneficial deal. The Big East teams make more money. FS1 makes more money. It's a real win-win.

[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by Bill McPeek I think that the Big East is very happy with the current makeup of the league. 11 teams, each team playing a true round robin, 20 conference games for each member. If the Big East expands it will be because Fox wants it.

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer If the Bug East expands, it will be because their pockets become a bit fuller. The Big East can go somewhere else to get a deal. This is a mutually beneficial deal. The Big East teams make more money. FS1 makes more money. It's a real win-win.

A few days ago the Big East commissioner said that she will suggest expansion when the current TV deal with Fox ends. The UConn AD has already supported such a move.

Now for some relatively uninformed opinion. I don't think the BE will add just one or two teams...probably will go to 14. SLU is a no-brainer, bridging the gap to Creighton, a Jesuit school. We know a few other things: For the most part it's all about money; Dayton has everything (almost) and would be a jewel in the BE. But what does UD have to offer that addresses the issue, "It's all about money"?

In the category "Be careful what you wish for". Dayton is well positioned to be dominant every year in the A10, which has the potential to be a better conference. Dayton will not be dominant in the BE and typically could be a mid-pack program most of the time.

But, it's all about money.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer Now for some relatively uniformed opinion. I don't think the BE will add just one or two teams...probably will go to 14. SLU is a no-brainer, bridging the gap to Creighton, a Jesuit school. We know a few other things: For the most part it's all about money; Dayton has everything (almost) and would be a jewel in the BE. But what does UD have to offer that addresses the issue, "It's all about money"? In the category "Be careful what you wish for". Dayton is well positioned to be dominant every year in the A10, which has the potential to be a better conference. Dayton will not be dominant in the BE and typically could be a mid-pack program most of the time.

I am concerned about VCU and Wichita State. I am also worried about Temple. The A10 without VCU would be weaker. The all-private barrier was broken by UConn.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Flyerferd]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer A few days ago the Big East commissioner said that she will suggest expansion when the current TV deal with Fox ends. The UConn AD has already supported such a move. Now for some relatively uniformed opinion. I don't think the BE will add just one or two teams...probably will go to 14. SLU is a no-brainer, bridging the gap to Creighton, a Jesuit school. We know a few other things: For the most part it's all about money; Dayton has everything (almost) and would be a jewel in the BE. But what does UD have to offer that addresses the issue, "It's all about money"? In the category "Be careful what you wish for". Dayton is well positioned to be dominant every year in the A10, which has the potential to be a better conference. Dayton will not be dominant in the BE and typically could be a mid-pack program most of the time. But, it's all about money.

If Dayton wants to remain a viable division one program, they need to move to the big east. When, not if, college football conferences become part of a 64 team league that will consider breaking off of the NCAA totally, they may consider taking the big east for basketball because of programs like Villanova, Georgetown, etc. The current NCAA conferences will affectively become division two schools. Nobody will care about that tournament. Oh, and guess what, currently if you finish outside the top two, in a good year, three teams in the Atlantic 10, you are not dancing. Finishing number five in the big east? No big deal.
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	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 I am concerned about VCU and Wichita State. I am also worried about Temple. The A10 without VCU would be weaker. The all-private barrier was broken by UConn.

True, UConn is a public university....but as a BE founding member, a special case perhaps.

The goals, objectives, interests of public and private schools differ markedly resulting in frequent conflict. The private schools of the BE know that all too well from their past experience in the "original" BE.

The money and Fox may carry the day; and there may not be three really attractive privates. I still wonder; from the viewpoint of money in the bank, what makes UD a really attractive candidate...attractive enough such that Fox says, "we want UD to be part of BE expansion".

[Flyerferd]

In terms of what we have to offer? A Fanbase that will make its presence known in every big east TV market that currently exists both on the eastern seaboard and in the Midwest. Academic alignment with most institutions would make those people happy, even though, let’s face it, nobody outside of a group of presidents really cares about that. thankfully, Dayton/Springfield itself is another television market, and the share ratings wise for Dayton games would be such that The number of viewers would be higher than even larger television markets like New York and Philly with multiple sports teams. To echo points here, the big east will expand because fox wants them to expand. It has nothing to do with the Jesuit mob, college presidents, whatever. You know why they took that public school called Connecticut? Because fox told them too.
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[flyer016]

Originally Posted by Flyerferd If Dayton wants to remain a viable division one program, they need to move to the big east. When, not if, college football conferences become part of a 64 team league that will consider breaking off of the NCAA totally, they may consider taking the big east for basketball because of programs like Villanova, Georgetown, etc. The current NCAA conferences will affectively become division two schools. Nobody will care about that tournament. Oh, and guess what, currently if you finish outside the top two, in a good year, three teams in the Atlantic 10, you are not dancing. Finishing number five in the big east? No big deal. Posted via Mobile Device

Where do people get this stuff? You sitting in on meetings with Greg Sankey and Kevin Warren? Of did you listen to a couple college football podcasts?

It's one thing to posit a possible future doomsday scenario. It's another thing entirely to pretend you know this is a certainty and Dayton HAS to move now.

I think the A10 is suitable for the time-being. I think it's a lot more fun being a big fish in a smaller pond than struggling to swim in a big conference. I also don't worry about the financial piece like Neil Sullivan, but I think Butler's a great example of what you get into when you make the jump. Same goes for Xavier. Again though, the athletic department coffers might look great though. So, what do I know?

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[flyer016]

Originally Posted by Flyerferd In terms of what we have to offer? A Fanbase that will make its presence known in every big east TV market that currently exists both on the eastern seaboard and in the Midwest. Academic alignment with most institutions would make those people happy, even though, let’s face it, nobody outside of a group of presidents really cares about that. thankfully, Dayton/Springfield itself is another television market, and the share ratings wise for Dayton games would be such that The number of viewers would be higher than even larger television markets like New York and Philly with multiple sports teams. To echo points here, the big east will expand because fox wants them to expand. It has nothing to do with the Jesuit mob, college presidents, whatever. You know why they took that public school called Connecticut? Because fox told them too. Posted via Mobile Device

The days of television markets are over. We're not tied to local cable packages anymore. It's all about general draw. Does a Dayton game move the needle on YouTube TV or Hulu Live? Geography doesn't matter, size of the fan base is what matters now.

You'd think this would be a plus for Dayton, but despite the rabid basketball following, I've never gotten the impression that conferences are chomping at the bit to bring Dayton in. The size of the student population/alumni base is relatively small. Maybe that takes the day.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by flyer016 The days of television markets are over. We're not tied to local cable packages anymore. It's all about general draw. Does a Dayton game move the needle on YouTube TV or Hulu Live? Geography doesn't matter, size of the fan base is what matters now. You'd think this would be a plus for Dayton, but despite the rabid basketball following, I've never gotten the impression that conferences are chomping at the bit to bring Dayton in. The size of the student population/alumni base is relatively small. Maybe that takes the day.

Dayton would be somewhere in the middle as far as student population and endowment. We would be 6th in enrollment and endowment( endowment could be off a bit+ or -) we are currently 8th in enrollment in the A-10.
While fox will have input, I believe the Jesuit mafia will be a factor.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer Now for some relatively uniformed opinion. I don't think the BE will add just one or two teams...probably will go to 14. SLU is a no-brainer, bridging the gap to Creighton, a Jesuit school.

I think you meant "uninformed" but I don't think this post is uninformed at all. Spot-on take. It will be at least 14.

When all the rage is to go to 16 WITH football content, you'd better be adding teams if you do not provide football content.

Dayton and Saint Louis are painfully obvious. I'm not sure what they do beyond that but my gut says Richmond if they go to 14.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[OSU Flyer]

Probably all depends on TV. Does Fox or whoever gets the Big East TV rights want more inventory for FS1/2 and network Fox?

I'm also curious if the Big East gets a lessor TV deal now. ESPN has so much inventory for basketball and other sports I can't see them making a big play for the Big East

NBCSN is dead. Not sure who else besides Fox and ESPN would make a bid for them unless a streaming company wants to use this to jump start something

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by flyer016 Where do people get this stuff? You sitting in on meetings with Greg Sankey and Kevin Warren? Of did you listen to a couple college football podcasts?

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, . . .



Where do you get off predicting 8 will be next?



Sure, it doesn't have to be. But all signs point that way.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer NBCSN is dead. Not sure who else besides Fox and ESPN would make a bid for them unless a streaming company wants to use this to jump start something

I thought the same thing, CBS Sports Network is the only other nationwide cable sports broadcaster that I can even think of. ABC doesn't have a cable sports network. TNT/TRU TV/TBS/USA, etc. don't do college basketball during the regular season.

Wasn't there a network called something like Vs. or Versus? They were a renaming of some other network iinm, don't think they lasted too long or were renamed already. I don't think they exist anymore, were around for less than a year maybe.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 I thought the same thing, CBS Sports Network is the only other nationwide cable sports broadcaster that I can even think of. ABC doesn't have a cable sports network. TNT/TRU TV/TBS/USA, etc. don't do college basketball during the regular season. Wasn't there a network called something like Vs. or Versus? They were a renaming of some other network iinm, don't think they lasted too long or were renamed already. I don't think they exist anymore, were around for less than a year maybe.

ABC and ESPN are owned by Disney

Versus turned into NBCSN

CBS gets some Big East games but they don't seem like aggressive players in bidding outside of the NFL/Golf. They let ESPN get the SEC out from under them

CBS SN might make a play for the Big East but I'd guess it's way less money than what the BE is getting now

[OSU Flyer]

The Big East will jump as high as TV tells it

Most of the Big East conference rents or splits time in a rented arena. That's a bunch of secondary revenue like parking, concessions, in arena advertising that they split or don't get it all

Georgetown rents an NBA arena to draw less than 10,000 people a game. St. John's is playing most home games in a 5,000 seat gym on campus

Fox TV money is the lifeblood of many of these programs

[Wallage]

I also think the BE would look to add more than 1 school. 14 or 16 makes sense logistically for a conference.

Of schools that are available (ie, no football) and logistically viable (ie, not Gonzaga), Dayton, VCU, SLU and Wichita St stick out. Dayton, VCU and SLU would give anything for entry and with the AAC in collapse I can't see why Wichita would want to stay there. Getting to 16 is a little trickier, probably picking from RI, Richmond, Loyola Chicago, Drake, Northern Iowa.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by Wallage I also think the BE would look to add more than 1 school. 14 or 16 makes sense logistically for a conference. Of schools that are available (ie, no football) and logistically viable (ie, not Gonzaga), Dayton, VCU, SLU and Wichita St stick out. Dayton, VCU and SLU would give anything for entry and with the AAC in collapse I can't see why Wichita would want to stay there. Getting to 16 is a little trickier, probably picking from RI, Richmond, Loyola Chicago, Drake, Northern Iowa.

Not Syracuse and Norte Dame?

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

So St. Louis is inviting the public to attend for a press conference "for a major announcement regarding the future of Billiken Athletics" Tuesday afternoon. Any guesses on what this might be, or if conference related?

Funny side note- Comment of the day on Twitter by 937Flyer. "They are erecting a statue of Jalen Crutcher." Well played sir!

[lhsgolf19]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan So St. Louis is inviting the public to attend for a press conference "for a major announcement regarding the future of Billiken Athletics" Tuesday afternoon. Any guesses on what this might be, or if conference related? Funny side note- Comment of the day on Twitter by 937Flyer. "They are erecting a statue of Jalen Crutcher." Well played sir!

Stu Durando (like their Jablonski) said it's about facilities

[podcast411]

Originally Posted by Wallage I also think the BE would look to add more than 1 school. 14 or 16 makes sense logistically for a conference. Of schools that are available (ie, no football) and logistically viable (ie, not Gonzaga), Dayton, VCU, SLU and Wichita St stick out. Dayton, VCU and SLU would give anything for entry and with the AAC in collapse I can't see why Wichita would want to stay there. Getting to 16 is a little trickier, probably picking from RI, Richmond, Loyola Chicago, Drake, Northern Iowa.

If they add 3 to get to 14. And the 3 are UD, SLU and Wichita State. That gives them a western division of:
Crei
Depaul
Marq
Slu
UD
WS
X

14 with those 3 added geographically makes sense. Play all in your division twice and all in the other div once = 19 Conf games. 1 less then they are playing now.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[OSU Flyer]

I think at one point like minded schools, relationships, etc. mattered. but now the TV money is the almighty

If Amazon said they're getting into the sports game and went to the Big East and told them add Dayton, STL, VCU and Wichita we'll up your TV money. I'm sure Xavier doesn't want us and maybe some others but Texas A&M didn't want Texas in the SEC

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by podcast411 If they add 3 to get to 14. And the 3 are UD, SLU and Wichita State. That gives them a western division of: Crei Depaul Marq Slu UD WS X 14 with those 3 added geographically makes sense. Play all in your division twice and all in the other div once = 19 Conf games. 1 less then they are playing now.

That would make a lot of sense. But that's the problem. It makes too much sense so it probably won't happen.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Flyerferd]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Stu Durando (like their Jablonski) said it's about facilities

The dead giveaway that it’s not a conference change is that… The Atlantic 10 re-tweeted it. I imagine the A10 would not have exactly hinted at that on their social media channels.
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[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by Flyerferd The dead giveaway that it’s not a conference change is that… The Atlantic 10 re-tweeted it. I imagine the A10 would not have exactly hinted at that on their social media channels. Posted via Mobile Device

It's absolutely facilities related. The Champions Center. It's essentially a massive add-on/extension to Chaifetz Arena that will house all kinds of additional amenities for ALL sports at SLU - things like new(er) offices, athlete fueling stations, expanded weight rooms, upgraded locker rooms (for other sports). For those not familiar with SLU/Chaifetz layout on campus, it's right in the middle of the "Billiken Sports Complex", which houses the soccer field, baseball field and softball field.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[shapanud]

FAU, Charlotte, North Texas, UTSA, Rice and UAB to the AAC. Conference USA pilfered.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by shapanud FAU, Charlotte, North Texas, UTSA, Rice and UAB to the AAC. Conference USA pilfered.

Wichita State, Temple, Tulsa, SMU, and USF basketball teams can't be happy.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[springborofan]

Originally Posted by ud2 Wichita State, Temple, Tulsa, SMU, and USF basketball teams can't be happy.

It wouldn’t shock me to see Wichita State go back to the Missouri Valley.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by springborofan It wouldn’t shock me to see Wichita State go back to the Missouri Valley.

Agree, seems like the MVC or the A10 are their only options.

WSU to the A10 seems like a no brainer other than the traveling distance, I did not realize that Wichita, Kansas is a 6.5 hour drive from Saint Louis, that could be a deal breaker. SLU is farther from WSU than it is from UD, that is hard to wrap my head around, the distances further west are deceivingly large.

They could try for a no-football exemption invite to the MW, seems like a long shot.

And the MVC is stronger now with Murray State and Belmont.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[OSU Flyer]

Even if Witchita wanted to come I could see Fordham, La Salle and others balking about the distance

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[oldfan]

Originally Posted by ud2 Agree, seems like the MVC or the A10 are their only options. WSU to the A10 seems like a no brainer other than the traveling distance, I did not realize that Wichita, Kansas is a 6.5 hour drive from Saint Louis, that could be a deal breaker. SLU is farther from WSU than it is from UD, that is hard to wrap my head around, the distances further west are deceivingly large.

Reminds me of my first days at UD. A couple of the new students from New York and New Jersey were talking about a road trip to California now that they had come so far west.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[hawkoooo]

Rice, UAB, UTSA, FAU, Charlotte, North Texas are "sending applications."

If this is any sign of what's to come then I'd like to reiterate for at least the 6th time in this thread alone that the A10 should send an invite to Wichita State and Temple at the very least and potentially Tulsa. The American is a few signatures away from becoming a third-tier football and basketball league.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo Rice, UAB, UTSA, FAU, Charlotte, North Texas are "sending applications." If this is any sign of what's to come then I'd like to reiterate for at least the 6th time in this thread alone that the A10 should send an invite to Wichita State and Temple at the very least and potentially Tulsa. The American is a few signatures away from becoming a third-tier football and basketball league.

Jon Rothstein on Twitter was saying this new league would kill their basketball program and they should go indy in football and put hoops back in the A10

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Jon Rothstein on Twitter was saying this new league would kill their basketball program and they should go indy in football and put hoops back in the A10

Yes I would imagine that those three schools specifically are scrambling to get out. Hopefully we can snag one or two. I don't know where the hell else they'd go.

[Bill McPeek]

Found the following in today's Asbury Park (NJ) Press regarding the Big East. The full article discusses the upcoming season and the Big East, with emphasis on Seton Hall. I will not bore you with the full article but here is what is what the reporter stated regarding Big East expansion: (nothing other than what is being speculated other than expanding to just 12 teams)

1. Expansion? Maybe

In speaking recently with The Athletic, Big East commissioner Val Ackerman said the league will explore expanding beyond 11 teams.

You can bet the coaches are ambivalent at best about that.

“That’s over my pay grade,” Willard (Seton Hall coach) said when asked about the possibility. “I think we’re in a really good spot as a league. If there’s someone that makes sense to the presidents and athletic directors, they know more than me.”

Willard praised the round-robin schedule, which would be difficult to maintain if a 12th team is added.

“The round-robin makes it really fair,” Willard said. “The Big East regular season champion has earned it. You can’t say, ‘Well, they didn’t get to play (such and such team) twice.’ It’s a true test.”

Where would the Big East look for a 12th team? There is internal talk of Gonzaga as the ideal addition, one that would really move the needle, but as a basketball-only member due to the distance. Other possibilities could be Wichita State, Dayton and Saint Louis.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Bill McPeek]

Found this over at the A-10 message board:

Oct 19
Ackerman: "I also want to acknowledge Georgetown president Jack DeGioia as Chair of the NCAA Board of Governors. That group has been in overdrive managing an unprecedented sequence of developments." #BEMediaDay
Hilltop Hoops
@HilltopHoops_
Ackerman says they have begun to review their conference alignment strategy that was created only 5 years ago. Mentions being able to "adapt" and being "nimble"

Translation: Expansion is coming to the Big East.

#BEMediaDay

[hawkoooo]

AAC officially adding UTSA, Charlotte, FAU, North Texas, Rice and UAB.

Boy I hope somebody is awake at the A10 office and is at least as intelligent as this dope behind a keyboard.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by Bill McPeek Where would the Big East look for a 12th team? There is internal talk of Gonzaga as the ideal addition, one that would really move the needle, but as a basketball-only member due to the distance. Other possibilities could be Wichita State, Dayton and Saint Louis.

The current BE + WSU, UD, SLU and Gonzaga as a "basketball-only member" would overnight become the best conference in basketball and would fight for that title every year without exception.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo The current BE + WSU, UD, SLU and Gonzaga as a "basketball-only member" would overnight become the best conference in basketball and would fight for that title every year without exception.

I don't think they can be a basketball only member. I believe the only exception to the rule is football. If they would join the BE then all the sports that Gonzaga has that the BE offers would also have to join the BE. I am trying to remember where I read that when UT and OU bolted to the SEC.

[NJFlyr71]

Originally Posted by oldfan Reminds me of my first days at UD. A couple of the new students from New York and New Jersey were talking about a road trip to California now that they had come so far west.

I knew students from some of the 5 boroughs of NYC and some didn't know there was land west of the Hudson.

I always chuckled when people would refer to Ohio as being in the "MID"-west. I think Dayton is about 600 miles from NJ. Flight distance Newark Liberty to LAX is roughly 2500 miles with a midpoint somewhere in Kansas.

[NJFlyr71]

Originally Posted by Bill McPeek Found the following in today's Asbury Park (NJ) Press regarding the Big East. The full article discusses the upcoming season and the Big East, with emphasis on Seton Hall. I will not bore you with the full article but here is what is what the reporter stated regarding Big East expansion: (nothing other than what is being speculated other than expanding to just 12 teams) ........ Where would the Big East look for a 12th team? There is internal talk of Gonzaga as the ideal addition, one that would really move the needle, but as a basketball-only member due to the distance. Other possibilities could be Wichita State, Dayton and Saint Louis.

Wichita State is a stretch due to distance with Gonzaga being an even farther stretch. I can't see Tennis, Soccer and Golf teams traveling back & forth on a regular basis. For the Zags and WS they could most likely stay on the 'east coast' and play a few teams while they made the trip. But at best staying no more than a week they could only play 2 maybe 3 teams...

Where it gets problematic is the 'east' coast teams playing a game in Kansas and then traveling another full day just to get to middle Washington.

I agree the Zags are a 'prize' in any conference but do the Zags want to be in a conference where they most likely have to travel 3 time zones on a weekly or every other week basis?

[UD62]

I suggest NBE going to two divisions, West: Marquette, DePaul, Butler, Creighton, X, UD, SLU, and WSU. East: Providence, SJU, S Hall, G'Town, Nova, UCONN, Temple and VCU. WSU would have the longest trips, but they would go 790 mi to UD, Friers currently go 1060 to Marquette, and about the same to Butler, DePaul and X.and even farther to the Bluejays. Would make for a very strong basketball conference.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Ready Action]

If Huggy Bear gets his way…

https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/6114684001
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[Chris R]

Another CUSA defection as Southern Miss heading to Sun Belt. Reports are ODU and Marshall in talks to jump from CUSA as well. Last one to leave turn out the lights.

[UDEE79]

Originally Posted by Ready Action If Huggy Bear gets his way… https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/6114684001 Posted via Mobile Device

Be careful what you wish for Bob. The big 12 is about to be demoted from the ranks of the power conferences.

[PalmBeachFlyer]

I really don't see the attraction to WSU. Marshall is gone, not a huge market, public university. They would be wise to run back to MVC. A10 teams keep 75% of NCAA $ they earn. Let Grant continue his program and wait for the BE. Fingers crossed.

[m21eagle45]

UIC now joining the MVC. I think the A10 missed a huge opportunity in this round of realignment. They should have been more productive and added Belmont or Murray State to go with Loyola, especially after how long it took for the MVC to add Murray State. Good moves for the MVC, they definitely improved their conference with adding these 3.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...t-at-12-teams/

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 UIC now joining the MVC. I think the A10 missed a huge opportunity in this round of realignment. They should have been more productive and added Belmont or Murray State to go with Loyola, especially after how long it took for the MVC to add Murray State. Good moves for the MVC, they definitely improved their conference with adding these 3. https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...t-at-12-teams/

I wonder if they're trying to make a play Wichita for 16

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by PalmBeachFlyer I really don't see the attraction to WSU. Marshall is gone, not a huge market, public university. They would be wise to run back to MVC. A10 teams keep 75% of NCAA $ they earn. Let Grant continue his program and wait for the BE. Fingers crossed.

They've good facilities. A nice practice facility and arena. Fan support is good and they're the only show in town.

They've got a basketball budget that would put them in the top 4 of the A10

[ud2]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 UIC now joining the MVC. I think the A10 missed a huge opportunity in this round of realignment. They should have been more productive and added Belmont or Murray State to go with Loyola, especially after how long it took for the MVC to add Murray State. Good moves for the MVC, they definitely improved their conference with adding these 3. https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...t-at-12-teams/

This is real hard to understand, UIC has been terrible for a good while now. NKU, Wright State, maybe Chattanooga, maybe ETSU, maybe one of the state schools in North or South Dakota would have been a better choice.

Wright State might have missed their big chance to move up.

UIC has been really, really bad lately.

[ud2]

Makes no sense at all IMO, terrible expansion decision. Being in Chicago makes no difference if nobody watches, and UIC is terrible.

This is like Fordham in the A10.

UIC Torvik ratings:

2022...276
2021...291
2020...191
2019...178
2018...189
2017...232
2016...330
2015...287
2014...250
2013...193
2012...292
2011...248
2010...234
2009...132
2008...116

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by ud2 This is real hard to understand, UIC has been terrible for a good while now. NKU, Wright State, maybe Chattanooga, maybe ETSU, maybe one of the state schools in North or South Dakota would have been a better choice. Wright State might have missed their big chance to move up. UIC has been really, really bad lately.

Originally Posted by ud2 Makes no sense at all IMO, terrible expansion decision. Being in Chicago makes no difference if nobody watches, and UIC is terrible. This is like Fordham in the A10. UIC Torvik ratings: 2022...276 2021...291 2020...191 2019...178 2018...189 2017...232 2016...330 2015...287 2014...250 2013...193 2012...292 2011...248 2010...234 2009...132 2008...116

Chicago is really important to many Valley schools for for their alumni base as well as a large percentage of current students. It was important to the conference to keep the Chicago market. Also, keep in mind, Loyola was just as bad when they left the Horizon for the Valley. I think they are hoping to catch lightning in a bottle twice.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[hawkoooo]

UIC is a horrible add.

I too think the A10 is making a play for Wichita State. They are the available prize for the taking, uniquely situated as the only leftover basketball school in what is essentially an upper tier of Conference USA.

I was at first annoyed at the oversight of Belmont and Murray State, but if your goal is 16 and you think you can get WSU/Loyola I understand why you go for that. I'd just add all four of them but clearly that isn't happening. Getting back to 16 with those two additions gets you an extra bid per year. For a conference dangerously close to one-bid status the importance of an extra bid to buffer the down years cannot be understated.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo UIC is a horrible add. I too think the A10 is making a play for Wichita State. They are the available prize for the taking, uniquely situated as the only leftover basketball school in what is essentially an upper tier of Conference USA. I was at first annoyed at the oversight of Belmont and Murray State, but if your goal is 16 and you think you can get WSU/Loyola I understand why you go for that. I'd just add all four of them but clearly that isn't happening. Getting back to 16 with those two additions gets you an extra bid per year. For a conference dangerously close to one-bid status the importance of an extra bid to buffer the down years cannot be understated.

We can still poach Belmont from the MVC. Yes, go get Wichita. Maybe have east-west divsions, because Wichita is very far away.

West:
Wichita
Loyola
Dayton
Duquesne
SLU
Bonnies
Belmont
Davidson

East:
RI
Fordham
VCU
GM
LaSalle
SJU
GW
Richmond

The West is the clearly better division.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by ud2 We can still poach Belmont from the MVC. Yes, go get Wichita. Maybe have east-west divsions, because Wichita is very far away. West: Wichita Loyola Dayton Duquesne SLU Bonnies Belmont Davidson East: RI Fordham VCU GM LaSalle SJU GW Richmond The West is the clearly better division.

And UMASS goes independent?

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by UD62 And UMASS goes independent?

Oops, not sure the divisions idea works, too hard to get a good balance.

Revised: drop Belmont, add UMass

West:
Wichita
Loyola
Dayton
Duquesne
SLU
Bonnies
Davidson
GM

East:
RI
Fordham
VCU
LaSalle
SJU
GW
Richmond
UMass

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UD62]

[QUOTE=ud2;681837]Oops, not sure the divisions idea works, too hard to get a good balance.

Revised: drop Belmont, add UMass

West:
Wichita
Loyola
Dayton
Duquesne
SLU
Bonnies
Davidson
GM

East:
RI
Fordham
VCU
LaSalle
SJU
GW
Richmond
UMass[/QUOT

Would work, but the imbalance in strength of programs is huge.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Chris R]

Anything can happen. Boise State and SDSU were once in the Big East.

[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by Chris R Anything can happen. Boise State and SDSU were once in the Big East.

Chris, where did that info come from?

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer They've good facilities. A nice practice facility and arena. Fan support is good and they're the only show in town. They've got a basketball budget that would put them in the top 4 of the A10

Been there often as I lived in that part of the country for 7 years. WSU MBB program presence is exactly the same as UD oil Dayton. Their fanbase is equally as rabid. Marshall was a tool that treated players and alum like crap. He lost both and got the boot.

They would be a legit add.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by Chris R Anything can happen. Boise State and SDSU were once in the Big East.

Wasn't it Boise and TCU? But neither officially joined if I remember correctly.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer Chris, where did that info come from?

There was the period when the Big East was expanding to stabilize itself. Boise, SDSU, and BYU backed out due to being unhappy with the BE losing additional schools after the offer to have them join was made. Iinm, Louisville and Rutgers left after the offer was made.

Also, iinm, Temple was added after the offer was made.

Iinm, Air Force turned down the offer.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010...rship_turnover:

The Big East invited nine schools – four (University of Houston, Southern Methodist University, University of Memphis, University of Central Florida) as full members, five as football-only members (United States Air Force Academy, United States Naval Academy, Boise State University, Brigham Young University, San Diego State University).[29][30] To further stabilize the conference, members unanimously agreed to double the exit fee from $5 million to $10 million, contingent on any one accepted invitation.[31] Of the schools, all four invited to full membership accepted, as well as football-only Boise State, Navy, and San Diego State.[32][33][34][35] BYU and the Big East were unable to come to terms; the conference insisted that BYU relinquish its TV rights for its home games as a condition of membership, and BYU was unwilling to do so.[36]

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Wasn't it Boise and TCU? But neither officially joined if I remember correctly.

TCU got invited and joined but backed out and joined the Big 12.

[hawkoooo]

During that brief period the Big East had swelled to 19 total teams, a total number I quite like, as it allows a true 18-game round robin.

A better way to think about the geographical problem is not divisions but whole separate conferences for non-spectator sports.

So 21 teams sounds crazy for a basketball conference right? Not when you break it down to two smaller leagues for the rest of the sports.

The "West" of the A10 therefore would only have to travel to the "East" for MBB. This method dispenses with the problem of geography almost entirely.

[OSU Flyer]

RE: UIC, Loyola was at the time a mediocre team in the Horizon before they moved over to the MVC. Their add was questioned at the time

Maybe some of the basketball programs take a jump in the AAC but I think they could be a one bid league.

Not sure if an east coast conference would appeal to Wichita but possible.

I've seen speculation they could try for the Mountain West but I'm not sure that would be much difference travel wise vs the A10

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Dayton is nearly twice as far as far from Wichita as Denver. I would think that any move they would make would be to a conference offering more stability. I’m not sure that the A10 would be that conference. What if St Louis and Dayton end up in the Big East? What if Dayton and St Louis left now? Would they still consider the A10 (this assumes they would consider it now)?
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	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer Dayton is nearly twice as far as far from Wichita as Denver. I would think that any move they would make would be to a conference offering more stability. I’m not sure that the A10 would be that conference. What if St Louis and Dayton end up in the Big East? What if Dayton and St Louis left now? Would they still consider the A10 (this assumes they would consider it now)? Posted via Mobile Device

What is their alternative?

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer Dayton is nearly twice as far as far from Wichita as Denver. I would think that any move they would make would be to a conference offering more stability. I’m not sure that the A10 would be that conference. What if St Louis and Dayton end up in the Big East? What if Dayton and St Louis left now? Would they still consider the A10 (this assumes they would consider it now)? Posted via Mobile Device

It depends on how bad the new AAC might be. Even if Memphis stays they seem to be all flash, no substance these days

They'd have South Florida, Charlotte, Philly, Tampa in the new AAC so travel won't be easy there

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo What is their alternative?

I will bet WSU ends up in the MW or MVC. The A10 seems too far away.

MW with 3 teams getting at large bids as of now: Colorado State, Boise State, and SDSU. MW is stronger than the new MVC with Belmont and Murray State, but the MVC teams are closer.

Kansas borders Colorado to the east. Belmont is in Nashville, MSU is in southwest Kentucky.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer It depends on how bad the new AAC might be. Even if Memphis stays they seem to be all flash, no substance these days They'd have South Florida, Charlotte, Philly, Tampa in the new AAC so travel won't be easy there

And Memphis is a ? Penny is a big name, has recruited well, but can he coach, they are underperforming and PH is lashing out at folks. AAc inself is a big question mark. WSU could be looking for options but I think at this point the A-10 is a stretch, and they will probably stay put.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by ud2 I will bet WSU ends up in the MW or MVC. The A10 seems too far away. MW with 3 teams getting at large bids as of now: Colorado State, Boise State, and SDSU. MW is stronger than the new MVC with Belmont and Murray State, but the MVC teams are closer. Kansas borders Colorado to the east. Belmont is in Nashville, MSU is in southwest Kentucky.

They won't go back to the MVC with their tails between their legs. And to be honest, if you follow the MVC at all, they do not want WSU back in their league.

[MadHatterTX]

Probably a dumb question, but I'll ask anyway ;-)

UD have any desire to move up in football? I'm a volleyball guy so I love Dayton's dominance in the A10, and would love to see them in the Big East, but moving up divisions in Football gives a lot more conference alignment options.