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Scheduling

There is no better time than now to take advantage of good teams that missed, or almost missed the dance, because of their weak OOC schedule. Not sure what is locked up already for next year, but let's start thinking ahead. Let's start offering some home and home games now and use this scheduling momentum.
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Let's go after Pitt and SMU...and forever forget about USC.
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Let's see if Coach K will put his mouth to good use and schedule Dayton, after his comments about the A10 Conference. Are you scared to come to U. D. Arena?
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Let's see if Coach K will put his mouth to good use and schedule Dayton, after his comments about the A10 Conference. Are you scared to come to U. D. Arena?
Yes. Yes, he is.
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Would bet Wabler is way ahead of us on this issue.

Was thinking over this same issue over the weekend. I think this year for certain the good teams we beat cannot count Dayton as a "bad loss". IIRC that over the years has been a concern of upper programs. Why not go after Gonzaga, Crieghton, Butler, et. al., while our momentum has made us attractive.
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No SMU Please. We did that stupid contract once...it stunk then, and it will stink in the future. I have zero interest in an SMU game. Nothing to gain from it...nothing!
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Yes. Yes, he is.
Hearing "We are UD!" chanted on national television at Cameron was the best. We did lose, but it was great.
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Personally, I would stay away from AAC and Big East teams. Particularly AAC. Too much instability.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer View Post
Was thinking over this same issue over the weekend. I think this year for certain the good teams we beat cannot count Dayton as a "bad loss". IIRC that over the years has been a concern of upper programs. Why not go after Gonzaga, Crieghton, Butler, et. al., while our momentum has made us attractive.
Seems that our current OOC schedule proved to be a plus for the Flyers this year. Every year fans want to schedule the current hot team. Gonzaga would be a nice addition, as they are good every year. Creighton will suffer with McD gone and Butler would currently add nothing. SMU, ranked for the first time in 29 years, and played a soft OCC to pile up wins. Didn't make the Dance because of the weak schedule. Of the teams mentioned the Zags would be the only +
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I think Enfield will have USC competitive next season and thereafter.
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with the A10 scheduling supposedly going to 18 games there will be less home and home series to play
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Wichita State?
Gonzaga?
New Mexico?
BYU?
SMU? (I agree, think they are on their way up)
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Big 10 and ACC are chicken (or cocky), probably the NBE right along with them.

I also hear Marquette is looking for games, too. Oh wait, that's only for the postseason...
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Hearing "We are UD!" chanted on national television at Cameron was the best. We did lose, but it was great.

Chanting "WE are UD" at Cameron was great....
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I'd like to see us develop a conference match up with the Big East. They won't do it, but I'd even leak that we are pursuing it. Let them say no. They do so at their peril. Despite their claims of supremacy, they're looking up at us. I would try to avoid the AAC, MVC and Mountain West. If we strike a deal with the ACC, that will give the A10 some additional credibility moving forward. The Big10, SEC and Big 12 would turn us down. T wouldn't approach the PAC 10 as west coast games are too late.
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Personally, I would stay away from AAC and Big East teams. Particularly AAC. Too much instability.
That's right, especially the AAC, as I think they are a short term conference. They will implode soon, very soon.
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IIRC UD played Creighton 4 times in either 4 or 5 seasons as part of 2 seperate home & home deals. I thought at the time, it would have been a nice series for both sides to do on an annual basis, still think the same thing.

I doubt Gonzaga is coming to Ohio for a game. They're at the point where they can pick their schedule based upon the BCS teams willing to travel to Spokane, and the teams like UD outside of the BCS football schools that would love to have a home & away.

The place I would (continue) to target is the SEC. If they haven't got the memo yet, they should, that conference as a whole played very few true road games, and I think it dragged them all down by the end of the season. Ol' Miss is ok, but I'd target Tennessee, Arkansas (I believe Pitt's old AD who scheduled the UD series and is a Kettering native is down there) & Missouri. Wouldn't mind Alabama either due to the Anthony Grant connection, they were down a bit this year, but should be strong again next year. Vandy would be a solid addition as well.

Outside of the SEC, I don't know where things stand b/w UC and Xavier, but I'd put a call into UC and see if they wanted to get a 2 year deal setup with potential for extension down the road. heck, why they're at it, lets see how long it takes Louisville to hand up the phone. UD traveled to Fordham this season, if they are due to play Fordham at home, I'd call Saint John's and see if they wanted to get a home & away set up, with UD going to NYC next season. Schoochie has struggled a bit playing in his home city, lets give him another chance before the A10 tournament next year (Saint John's would play at X next year, so who knows if they would be interested or not, we would certainly help fill MSG). Tulsa would be a solid add I think,
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We need to go on the road as well for non home/home versus top BCS schools. Committee was clear that rewarded top 50 away games massively (St. Louis huge for us).

Let's stop doing Illinois St. home and home and replace with away game versus top 50 BCS team or even a Gonzaga. We can figure out the revenue loss.
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Implode to "what"?

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That's right, especially the AAC, as I think they are a short term conference. They will implode soon, very soon.
Coach, only Cincy has an realistic opportunity to jump to a power conferencce because the Big 12 has relatively few schools and the geography is reasonably favorable. And UC has made all too clear that is what they want to do.

The other AAC schools are stuck, whether they like it or not. Nonetheless, schools like UCF, USF, UConn, Temple, Houston, ECU, Memphis, SMU are large, very well-resourced schools. There is no fundamental reason why, as a group, they cannot be competitive at a high level in BB and FB. Further, there are no guarantees that Cincy will succeed "escaping" from the AAC.

As the AAC schools become resigned to the fact that the AAC is home,...as apparently, UConn has,...they will go balls-out to make the AAC as good as can be. And UMass is always knocking at the door....UMass is a big school that has made a decision to work its nuts off to become big-time.

Just as our A10 schools are working as hard as they can to be top-tier in BB. the AAC schools are working to become top-tier in FB...already in BB the AAC is better than just good.

The realignment saga has been traumatic for many schools, especially for those left in the AAC. But, big-time athletics is so important for so many reasons, it's way to early to count out the AAC. The AAC is not the MAC.
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That's right, especially the AAC, as I think they are a short term conference. They will implode soon, very soon.
Even if you are right, it will not be in the next two years. Next year the ACC will be the strongest BB conference and their football has the #1 team and will be improved overall. Meantime the Big10 took Maryland and Rutgers, two mediocre schools in all sports. If I had to bet, the Big10, who is totally disrespected outside of the Mideast, may be in more trouble long term then the ACC.
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Well, if charter members UC, U of L, and others leave, and they will, it becomes a quasi implosion. They might keep the same name, but it will be a shell of its original self. Take SMU for example, SMU will leave before too long, they wanted very badly to join the "Big East", and they can smile and grin at the camera if they want, and as they should, but they are not where they thought they were going...as their flight got diverged. Once these things start happening, and they already are with Louisville, and likely UC soon, it will change too much to thought of as the old football side of the old Big East. Temple won't stay in it either, they too thought they were getting the "Big East".
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Jack, not ACC, but rather AAC.
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Call 'em all

President Curran should direct Tim Wabler to call them all...the so called power conferences and force their hand. Their excuse used to be if they came in and got waxed, that it would be a bad loss for them...not the case anymore, and probably not valid for many years. Once OP righted the ship, and BG followed through with maybe a season or two, we were not a bad loss. Now, AM has us focused like a laser beam on quality of play and toughness that will serve us well in the coming years.

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Let's go after Pitt and SMU...and forever forget about USC.
they want a trip to So Cal, sun, palm trees, cheerleaders. Still a name school that will rebound.
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No SMU Please. We did that stupid contract once...it stunk then, and it will stink in the future. I have zero interest in an SMU game. Nothing to gain from it...nothing!
Reminds me of the rant against playing Kansas State a few season back because they were so bad. Ridiculous to ignore a program on the rise. SMU is on the rise and has often played better than the Flyers this season. I have been to 6 games. This is not Matt Doherty's team of pretenders. Brown knows talent. An excellent returning PF. One of the best pgs in the league with 2 years left. And a top 5 nationally recruit coming in.
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Since the way, the truth, and the light to get to the Tourney rests with playing "up" and on the road, I think it is time to give up a home game or two and go play a **d **s team even if they won't return the favor. I realize we have the cred now to warrant a home and home, but perhaps just go play someone...if that team has the courage to schedule us.
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And, I might add,...

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. This is not Matt Doherty's team of pretenders. Brown knows talent. An excellent returning PF. One of the best pgs in the league with 2 years left. And a top 5 nationally recruit coming in.
Brown is a classy guy.....and with his creds and age is not worried about losing his job if he loses a game on the road.

Of course, I've heard of Larry Brown. But, never saw him in person. When SMU played at UConn I was seated six rows behind the SMU bench...and I watched and studied Brown before and during the game. Everything about him was very impressive.....the way he carried himself, his appearance...the guy looks like a banker,....and he's a very good looking guy. The local media loved him.

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Isn't the Miami series rumored to be restarting after a one year break?
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Isn't the Miami series rumored to be restarting after a one year break?
Although my wife is a Miami graduate, I hope we do not go back to home and home. There is no upside here, only a bad loss on the road.

We need to schedule top 100 teams for home and home or 2:1 (top 50) or away only (top 25). I rather have Iona, Belmont, Toledo, etc. (whoever we project to be top 50 or top 100 teams) as buy games than a home and home with Illinois St. (yes some people thought they would be good this year) or Miami. For buy games, we should also try to avoid really bad teams like Central Michigan and Delaware State (300 RPI teams kill SOS).
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Isn't the Miami series rumored to be restarting after a one year break?
I hope not. With 18 conference games next year, we will have fewer opportunities for home-and-homes. I wouldn't want to waste one on Miami. Would prefer to play teams like Alabama, Seton Hall, Ole Miss, Georgia Tech, New Mexico, etc. And, if we continue to improve, we will be able to get even better home-and-homes.
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I agree that Miami should be done. With the A10 going to 18 games home and home series should be reserved for the best possible opponents

Even with the extra two games in league play I hope Dayton is able to manage to still play two roads out of conference. Those can really make a difference in getting into the tourney/seeding
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Wasn't this the only year UL was to be in the AAC before moving on next year? Thought that was already a done deal.

The rest are pretty much in the AAC forever. They need a football conference. If the Big 12 expands and takes an AAC team or two (UC), then the AAC is just going to raid CUSA.

I wouldn't be in a big hurry to schedule an A10/AAC challenge long-term. But I'd be ok with a home and home with select teams.

The biggest opportunity for scheduling are those "did not make the cut programs because of schedule". SMU is one. And other mid-majors. I don't think making an NCAA tourney is suddenly going to get Wisconsin or Florida into UD Arena. More likely from a BCS level are the Ole Miss, Ga Tech, Northwestern's of the world. I'd rather do a one way game with Toledo.
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Every year since OP got UD back on the map, everybody complains when the schedule comes out and every year if The Flyers can win enough games against it, they are in a perfect spot SOS and RPI wise to get an at large. I can't think of any time in recent years when the schedule was why UD didn't get to dance. The problem has been the lack if winning.
I have been critical of Wabler, but one thing he does right is continue Kissell's schedule strategy. If they win, it works. I would be nice to have some sexier teams on it, but all in due time.

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What is the A-10's reasoning for going to an 18 game schedule next year?
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If we ever play Miami again it has to be a buy game.

Arkansas is on the rise and one of our assistants coached there. You would think NCSt, who will be tough next year if Warren stays, would like to play against Archie. DePaul would not help our SOS, but at least would be a draw for our fans.
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Every year since OP got UD back on the map, everybody complains when the schedule comes out and every year if The Flyers can win enough games against it, they are in a perfect spot SOS and RPI wise to get an at large. I can't think of any time in recent years when the schedule was why UD didn't get to dance. The problem has been the lack if winning.
I have been critical of Wabler, but one thing he does right is continue Kissell's schedule strategy. If they win, it works. I would be nice to have some sexier teams on it, but all in due time.
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What is the A-10's reasoning for going to an 18 game schedule next year?
so that every team plays one another home and away and does away with the unfairness of the pods.
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so that every team plays one another home and away and does away with the unfairness of the pods.
A-10 will be 14 teams so H and A with all would be 26 games. Looks like 8 teams 1 game and 5 teams 2 games.
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I don't like the prospect of going to 18 conference games. 2 more games for everyone at 1-1. What is the upside?
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I doubt Gonzaga is coming to Ohio for a game. They're at the point where they can pick their schedule based upon the BCS teams willing to travel to Spokane, and the teams like UD outside of the BCS football schools that would love to have a home & away.
Gonzaga played at Butler last year. That game was on national TV with Dickie V. Butler won 64-63 on a last-second shot in one of the more exciting finishes of the year. Check out the finish on YouTube. What's another 2 hours for Gonzaga?

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Butler was coming off of 2 final 4s. UD isn't (though I think all agree that coming off 1 would certainly make for a nice offseason), so I don't think that game would generate a national made for TV game. Gonzaga traveled to Butler b/c of TV in addition to the opponent on the court. They wouldn't travel another 2 hours to Dayton unless they were getting a similar TV set up. I'd love to see it, and perhaps inroads were made while out in Mauii, I just have my doubts. Then again I had my doubts after the 1-5 start, so I'm up for being wrong again
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Butler was coming off of 2 final 4s. UD isn't (though I think all agree that coming off 1 would certainly make for a nice offseason), so I don't think that game would generate a national made for TV game. Gonzaga traveled to Butler b/c of TV in addition to the opponent on the court. They wouldn't travel another 2 hours to Dayton unless they were getting a similar TV set up. I'd love to see it, and perhaps inroads were made while out in Mauii, I just have my doubts. Then again I had my doubts after the 1-5 start, so I'm up for being wrong again
Pay ESPN to televise it. I think Dayton & the A-10 need to get real creative. Dayton also needs to massively invest in social media -- this could be a way to differentiate dayton.
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Butler was coming off of 2 final 4s. UD isn't (though I think all agree that coming off 1 would certainly make for a nice offseason), so I don't think that game would generate a national made for TV game. Gonzaga traveled to Butler b/c of TV in addition to the opponent on the court. They wouldn't travel another 2 hours to Dayton unless they were getting a similar TV set up. I'd love to see it, and perhaps inroads were made while out in Mauii, I just have my doubts. Then again I had my doubts after the 1-5 start, so I'm up for being wrong again
Can't disagree with your assessment. They probably would've considered traveling to this region for a hookup with TOSU ... until the Buckeyes disgrace themselves on national TV against the Flyers.
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SMU is a good target. Good for both schools. New facilities in Dallas are phenomenal. Place is loud and they're selling out every game. As a Dayton fan, my only hesitation is that its a really tough place to get a win now. As an SMU fan and I am both, my only hesitation is that it is tough to win at Dayton. Both teams will be good for the for the next few years. And honestly unlike Dayton where Archie could leave in 2 years and we dont know exactly what would happen, SMU has their coach in waiting succession plan with Jancovich there making a fortune of a salary in case Larry hangs it up.
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Every year since OP got UD back on the map, everybody complains when the schedule comes out and every year if The Flyers can win enough games against it, they are in a perfect spot SOS and RPI wise to get an at large. I can't think of any time in recent years when the schedule was why UD didn't get to dance. The problem has been the lack if winning.
I have been critical of Wabler, but one thing he does right is continue Kissell's schedule strategy. If they win, it works. I would be nice to have some sexier teams on it, but all in due time.
Agree 100% Gem. Folks are posting like the OOC has been keeping us from the Dance. Just isn't true. Go 10-6 or better in conference and we dance. With the way AM is recruiting and his change in his approach to the players and game, we should be in contention at the top of the a-10 for a while. Sexy teams might be a plus but not necessary. Continue to Dance and bigger names are possible on the schedule.

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I can't think of any time in recent years when the schedule was why UD didn't get to dance.
It may have been 2 decades or more ago, I just don't remember. But there was a year were we did not get an invite and N. D. did even though we had an RPI of around 32 and they were much much higher????
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I also agree there is no problem with the schedule. Nothing needs to change philosophically but not a bad idea to try and bring in a few teams who didnt quite schedule strong enough but who look solid for the future. I wouldnt worry about scheduling games the fanbase will think are exciting. As long as your scheduling for the tourney, thats excitement. The most important upgrade you hope to make coming off the tourney is with respect to recruiting. Thats where you look to capitalize on momentum and to get the thing really rolling.
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One reason for the 18 game schedule is because everyone else is going that way. When everyone else you want to play has 18 game conference schedules, it's hard to fit in two more non conference games. You end up having to cram in two buy games.
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[QUOTE=pmcmullen;348807]Wichita State?
Gonzaga?
New Mexico?
BYU?
SMU? (I agree, think they are on their way up)
Louisiana Tech?

Big 10 and ACC are chicken (or cocky), probably the NBE right along with them.

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yes THIS. These teams.

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One reason for the 18 game schedule is because everyone else is going that way. When everyone else you want to play has 18 game conference schedules, it's hard to fit in two more non conference games. You end up having to cram in two buy games.
Good point. I don't like the 18 game conference schedule but it might be a necessity. We had trouble filling out our schedule this year. I believe that's how we ended up with the game with Winthrop and the home-and-home with Iona (although rumor has it the "road" game will not be on Iona's home court).
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Where is the Iona game rumored to be?

I know that Murray State series a couple years back was a last minute scramble addition.
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MSG might make sense, team up with Saint Johns. They did this some years back, UC played at Saint Johns (both in the Big East at the time), immediatly followed by UD at Fordham, all at MSG. The UD contigent was pretty well represented.
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Pretty sure it's part of a double header or all day event. At least that was the rumor.
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Agree 100% Gem. Folks are posting like the OOC has been keeping us from the Dance. Just isn't true. Go 10-6 or better in conference and we dance. With the way AM is recruiting and his change in his approach to the players and game, we should be in contention at the top of the a-10 for a while. Sexy teams might be a plus but not necessary. Continue to Dance and bigger names are possible on the schedule.
We had 3 OOC road games and 3 neutral -- I think we need to keep the 3 road games OOC which only leaves 7 home games.

OOC did not keep us out, but we should ditch the 2:1 @ Illinois St, Muuray St, etc. better for our resume to go @Duke, h and h with SMU or Cincy, @BCS school.
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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin View Post
We had 3 OOC road games and 3 neutral -- I think we need to keep the 3 road games OOC which only leaves 7 home games.

OOC did not keep us out, but we should ditch the 2:1 @ Illinois St, Muuray St, etc. better for our resume to go @Duke, h and h with SMU or Cincy, @BCS school.
We will have one extra road game in conference so we probably could get by with only two road and three neutral in the non-conference. That would give us 17 home games and 14 road/neutral. I like that mix. Going to 16/15 or 15/16 might be a little too much. I like the idea of a road-only game with a big name if we can't get good enough home-and-homes. But we also need some road games we can win. Our road/neutral wins were HUGE for our resume this year.
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I like the idea of a road-only game with a big name if we can't get good enough home-and-homes.
Exactly, because as Coach K says, losing to a top tier team proves you belong in the dance.
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