Tough Coaching Transitions

[NorthwestFlyer]

This is isn't as interesting as the Obi commit thread, but an interesting article and pic on the front page of a familiar face and a tidbit about his past team.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...k-ewing-others

[T-Bone 84]

Actually, it might be easier for AM to get his new team to commit to defense, now that 4 guys who believed they're NBA-ready are no longer on the roster. I'm guessing self-confidence wasn't lacking in that group.

And, do you suppose that they didn't mention our new CAG because they think his job of following AM isn't as hard as AM's job following TC? Or, is it just because they refuse to recognize that a place like UD exists? Or, could it be that they know our coach will have fans with realistic expectations? Just wondering.
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[Sea Bass]

it took Archie (and Sean at Xavier) half way through their 3rd season before the lights went on. A lot of kids don't stay in the program that long.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[priceg75]

I often thought when Archie left I would be interested in rooting him on in his new locale.

I am finding that nothing could be further from the truth. Don't care even a tiny bit about him or Indiana or how Indiana will face adversity under Archie.

Never liked Indiana basketball and him going there hasn't changed that one bit. Indiana and their fans are like the St. Louis Cardinals of baseball and their fans... they are entitled, spoiled and act like they are God's gift to the sport and will be more than happy to explain why they are allowed to act this way. So whatever. Keep on keepin' on.

[Cardsflyer]

Originally Posted by priceg75 I often thought when Archie left I would be interested in rooting him on in his new locale. I am finding that nothing could be further from the truth. Don't care even a tiny bit about him or Indiana or how Indiana will face adversity under Archie. Never liked Indiana basketball and him going there hasn't changed that one bit. Indiana and their fans are like the St. Louis Cardinals of baseball and their fans... they are entitled, spoiled and act like they are God's gift to the sport and will be more than happy to explain why they are allowed to act this way. So whatever. Keep on keepin' on.

Maybe Cardinal fans act that way because they have won 11 World Series titles...second only to the Yankees

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by Cardsflyer Maybe Cardinal fans act that way because they have won 11 World Series titles...second only to the Yankees

Which is a big reason there aren't a lot of billikin fans. Larger market then Dayton but they have a champion baseball team and SLU is far from that.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Sea Bass]

People don't realize no one is entitled. It's about the coach. Making a final 4 (let alone winning the national championship) is hard. It takes skill and luck.

Indiana hasn't been a national player since RMK. He is not coming back. However, their AD made it clear the expectations have NOT changed. They expect final 4 AND a national championship.

I don't know whether Archie will succeed. Think he is a better coach but not near the recruiter Sean is. Sean has never made a final 4.

That being said I think he had taken Dayton as far as he could. I don't know whether Anthony or anyone else can take it farther. Archie does not surround himself with future coaches.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Indiana hasn't been a national player since RMK. He is not coming back. However, their AD made it clear the expectations have NOT changed. They expect final 4 AND a national championship. That being said I think he had taken Dayton as far as he could. I don't know whether Anthony or anyone else can take it farther. Archie does not surround himself with future coaches.

Yes, the expectations are high, but he will be king in Indiana if he succeeds, which I think he will.

I think he could have taken Dayton farther over time, it takes time to build a program to be stronger.

The right coach can take UD farther.

[Flyer 86]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass People don't realize no one is entitled. It's about the coach. Making a final 4 (let alone winning the national championship) is hard. It takes skill and luck. Indiana hasn't been a national player since RMK. He is not coming back. However, their AD made it clear the expectations have NOT changed. They expect final 4 AND a national championship. I don't know whether Archie will succeed. Think he is a better coach but not near the recruiter Sean is. Sean has never made a final 4. That being said I think he had taken Dayton as far as he could. I don't know whether Anthony or anyone else can take it farther. Archie does not surround himself with future coaches.

I was with ya, until the last sentence.

With Svoboda, Giannaxzxzxz Greek guy, point guard and a few others There was tremendous upside. Just didn't want to wait. Had some injuries (Miller and Ryan Mikesell) and obviously the BIG Job came a calling.

It's possible we could have gone further next two years.

[Flyer 86]

How HIGH was Naz Carter ranked?

[marco red eagle]

I liked how AM went after young recruits ... knowing he would get the second tier players at mid major UD ... he went after guys with a chip on their shoulder ... I like when the above ESPN article mentioned ...

"Miller didn't have the elite recruits he might attract to Bloomington, but he had some dogs at Dayton, meet-me-in-the-alley players who anchored an Elite Eight run in 2014 that kicked off four consecutive NCAA tournament appearances. When you played Dayton under Miller, you knew the Flyers were coming to fight."

Will AG do the same in recruiting?

[Avid Flyer]

Two things:

First I believe AG will recruit top players from across the country, not just 3 star recruits. Course that will depend on how well he and staff do during this season.

Second: I truly believe Archie left for THE job too soon. His record was not better than Tom Crean's. Archie is good but until I see what he can do with more talent I will take a wait and see attitude. Archie needed to prove he could do it with a new class of players at UD. Could be wrong but he went from a no pressure job to a high pressure one.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer Second: I truly believe Archie left for THE job too soon. His record was not better than Tom Crean's. Archie is good but until I see what he can do with more talent I will take a wait and see attitude. Archie needed to prove he could do it with a new class of players at UD. Could be wrong but he went from a no pressure job to a high pressure one.

This is the reason it was the right time for him to take the job. He got the job he wanted without proving he could do it with another class of players at UD. If he failed the second time at UD, he may not have gotten that job. If he succeeded with a second class of players at UD, my feeling about him would be different. After he left, I would have started the GoFundMe for his statue.

[marco red eagle]

"Could be wrong but he went from a no pressure job to a high pressure one."

LOL!

AM is a smart talented young coach ... but he is over his head with the political, social, communication, interpersonal skills needed at IU. Knowing basketball inside and out will not keep him at IU.

Since he is a smart guy .. he will eventually get it ... but he is in for a rocky road!!!
Perhaps now he will get a "coach" to coach him on how to succeed at IU!!!

[Radar]

Wow...a whole lot of pettiness toward a coach who took us places we've not seen in 50 years.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by Radar Wow...a whole lot of pettiness toward a coach who took us places we've not seen in 50 years.

Pettiness or realistic knowledge that AM is starting in a position where a large part of the fan base feel that an Indiana person should be their head coach and not Archie and he has to prove that he can win big sooner rather than later

Yes he did good things at UD but it works both ways as it was UD who took the chance to hire him as an unknown so he could achieve his dream. I don't wish him ill but I also don't owe him any loyalty.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by NCkevi Pettiness or realistic knowledge that AM is starting in a position where a large part of the fan base feel that an Indiana person should be their head coach and not Archie and he has to prove that he can win big sooner rather than later Yes he did good things at UD but it works both ways as it was UD who took the chance to hire him as an unknown so he could achieve his dream. I don't wish him ill but I also don't owe him any loyalty.

This...more pettiness (your second para). AM isn't asking for your loyalty yet you (and others) want the record to reflect that you no longer are loyal?

I was **** sure glad he was my coach when he was at UD! And I'm glad AG is my coach now!

I thought OP, BG, and Archie all met/exceeded expectations given the circumstances at the time. But I'm a UD alum/STH and my loyalty is to my school/team/coach...next man up (unless it's JOB)!

[priceg75]

Originally Posted by Radar This...more pettiness (your second para). AM isn't asking for your loyalty yet you (and others) want the record to reflect that you no longer are loyal?

How is this petty? Nobody thinks Archie is asking for our loyalty, but I bet you money there will be a lot of threads about how he's doing. I felt more loyalty to Gregory even though he had taken us as far as he was capable than I do to Archie... because I felt like Gregory really loved being here.

Archie helped us, we helped Archie, the end. I don't feel like it's being petty to state one's feelings on the subject. Not everything always has to be sunbeams and lollipops.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[IndianaFlyer]

Originally Posted by Radar Wow...a whole lot of pettiness toward a coach who took us places we've not seen in 50 years.

Nope, not pettiness in my opinion. He is no longer here so I just don't care how he does and I don't think he deserves a thread on the UD basketball board. How he does at IU is off topic, at best.

[cralford]

Originally Posted by IndianaFlyer Nope, not pettiness in my opinion. He is no longer here so I just don't care how he does and I don't think he deserves a thread on the UD basketball board. How he does at IU is off topic, at best.

You sound like you feel scorned. There are a lot of threads on this board. You don't have to read one that seems to irritate you. There have been many coaches leave the program. He just happens to be one of the better.

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by Radar Wow...a whole lot of pettiness toward a coach who took us places we've not seen in 50 years.

You apparently don['t know or understand the difference between bitterness and facts.

His record at Dayton was not better than Tom Creans. Archie is a good coach but to take on IU at this stage in his career is a bit premature in my opinion.

As was pointed out in an article regarding coaching changes and AM in particular it was duly noted that Archie was able to achieve his players to buy into his defensive schemes. They noted that at IU you have NBA talent who feel they are ready for the NBA and will be a lot harder to sell them on full out defense. Time will tell, but AM was successful with the talent at UD, will he be as successful with more talented players at IU; we'll see. Jury is out.

Just ask Shaka Smart how things are going at Texas

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer You apparently don['t know or understand the difference between bitterness and facts. His record at Dayton was not better than Tom Creans. Archie is a good coach but to take on IU at this stage in his career is a bit premature in my opinion. As was pointed out in an article regarding coaching changes and AM in particular it was duly noted that Archie was able to achieve his players to buy into his defensive schemes. They noted that at IU you have NBA talent who feel they are ready for the NBA and will be a lot harder to sell them on full out defense. Time will tell, but AM was successful with the talent at UD, will he be as successful with more talented players at IU; we'll see. Jury is out. Just ask Shaka Smart how things are going at Texas

You are a bag of contradictions. You "OPINE" that AM was premature to take the IU job, then state that "time will tell" and "jury is out".

And where are the facts? His record vs Crean? How does that translate into any success he will achieve? I'll answer that: it doesn't.

[steve]

Originally Posted by Radar You are a bag of contradictions. You "OPINE" that AM was premature to take the IU job, then state that "time will tell" and "jury is out". And where are the facts? His record vs Crean? How does that translate into any success he will achieve? I'll answer that: it doesn't.

AM is more than ready to take the IU job....No written rule you need to have a stepping stone of jobs to get the dream/destination job. Again, many fail to see what they witnessed by AM was beyond belief, at least imho, based on the circumstances that hit him seemingly every year with short benches, lack of skilled players offensively,lack of size, injuries, suspensions, death of SM, etc. etc.....

The only thing that would have been icing on the cake and probably made even more people appreciate his tremendous accomplishments would have been a W over Wichita State and that was a game lost basically by around 7 total points being scored by them thru-out the game in less than than 3 seconds (3 at end of thehalf, terrible foul called on KD for 2 FT's as the shot clock was sounding, and a 4 step layup by their big man at the shot clock buzzer)......

Win THAT game and probably no way they beat Kentucky or even play them as well as WSU played them due to lack of size..

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by Radar You are a bag of contradictions. You "OPINE" that AM was premature to take the IU job, then state that "time will tell" and "jury is out". And where are the facts? His record vs Crean? How does that translate into any success he will achieve? I'll answer that: it doesn't.

Its quite simple if you can read. In my opinion I feel that Archie left too soon, don't know that he is ready for the IU fans and expectations. Someone stated it was time to take the job because it opened when it did, well true but is it a job he can sustain. Getting the job of his dreams and keeping it are two different animals. Again ask Shaka Smart how its going down in Texas.

I've stated Archie is a good coach but being a good coach may not be good enough for IU. AM taught good players how to play defense, well the question will be can he do the same with more talented players who think they are NBA ready. Archie vs Crean, are you serious, how will that translate into his success. You don't understand the passion and expectations at IU. They are not going to give him a honeymoon, they will expect results NCAA deep run and final four right out of the gate. They are hungry for the BK era to return and feel entitled.

So I am not giving AM a pass just because some feel he is one of the top upcoming coaches, he will have to prove it with top talent. Coaching 3 stars recruits/players is different from 4/5 stars. I could be wrong that is why the wait and see. We know he has the pedigree but is he ready for IU. Sean has yet to sniff the final four and their are rumblings out in Arizona.

I am willing to let it play out as it did for BG and Shaka Smart, but so far no cigar for either one. Archie may be different, time will tell.

[Flyer'95]

What Archie accomplished at UD is nothing short of remarkable. First, there was the elite 8 run after starting the conference season 1-5. Then there was the year that two numbskulls got kicked off the team and he took a team of six guys with no one over 6'6" to the tourney and won two ncaa games. Then for an encore he overcame the Dyshawn Pierre suspension and made the tourney again. Then making the tournament again after a heartbreaking death of a 7' center, overcoming at least a six game absence of pollard and a near season-ending injury of our only other low post threat. The guy worked miracles and should garner our respect.

There is no shame in losing our coach to Indiana. And we shouldn't pretend that none of us would do the same. He didn't go to school at UD, he didn't grow up in Dayton or even in Ohio. He had no reason to value UD over a school with a much larger stature. The guy has a job to do and a goal he wants to reach. Don't hold it against him when 99% of the people on here would do the same damm thing.

[priceg75]

Originally Posted by Flyer'95 There is no shame in losing our coach to Indiana. And we shouldn't pretend that none of us would do the same. He didn't go to school at UD, he didn't grow up in Dayton or even in Ohio. He had no reason to value UD over a school with a much larger stature. The guy has a job to do and a goal he wants to reach. Don't hold it against him when 99% of the people on here would do the same damm thing.

I don't understand what is so hard for some of you people to get about this. I don't think anybody begrudges Archie the right to work at the most successful, top level of his profession.

What I do begrudge him is saying "I am just interested in coaching at Dayton for as long as they'll have me." Don't say that. Don't even word it like that when that is NOT your intention. You are lying.

Point 2: now I'm supposed to care about what he does at Indiana? No thank you. Good luck to him, but I didn't like the Hoosiers before and I'm not going to start now just because a successful former coach is there. This isn't Donoher coaching there. If he is successful, great for him, and I don't wish them to dissolve into nothingness while he is there. Just don't expect me to care what they do. I feel about Indiana as I've always felt about them: they suck.

	Don Donoher DON DONOHER Legendary Flyer men's basketball coach who guided Dayton to 435 victories in 25 seasons (1964-1989) including the 1967 NCAA Runner-Up. Took over the program after the passing of Tom Blackburn and earned many NCAA and NIT bids over his career, including five Sweet-16s, one Elite Eight appearance, and the 1968 NIT Championship. Groomed All-Americans Don May and Jim Paxson, along with all-time leading scorer Roosevelt Chapman. Coached UD as they joined conference affiliation for the first time (Midwest Collegiate). A graduate of UD, Donoher played for Blackburn and credits much of his coaching success to his mentor's teachings: defense, ball protection, patience, and unselfishness.

[LIBob]

Originally Posted by marco red eagle Perhaps now he will get a "coach" to coach him on how to succeed at IU!!!

Could it be that the person you are referring to is in the fold already: John Miller?

[Sea Bass]

Archie needs time at IU. Hopefully he will get the time but it isn't up to the AD, it's the fanbase. Had an IU alum who goes to the games (in his 60s) tell me that IU wasn't tolerant. He will need to win immediately.

I was sad to see him leave but I wish him luck.

[CE80]

Archie never really loved us the way that we loved him. But you know what? We never really loved him. He wasn't a lovable guy. We loved the parties he was able to take us to and the attention it garnered. We both have new interests. If AG is the one for us, it won't matter how Archie ends up.

[IndianaFlyer]

Nope, not scorned at all. I liked him, if he is successful there good for him. Just don't feel like IU basketball deserves a thread on the UD board.
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[cralford]

Originally Posted by IndianaFlyer Nope, not scorned at all. I liked him, if he is successful there good for him. Just don't feel like IU basketball deserves a thread on the UD board. Posted via Mobile Device

OK, I can understand that. I don't agree. He will always be someone I root for unless he is playing my Flyers. I don't expect to see that unless our paths cross in a tournament.

[springborofan]

Redirecting...does anyone else think like I do that Patrick Ewing will be a total disaster at Georgetown?

He has no college coaching experience whatsoever. Yes, he has name recognition but that only goes so far. Posters on here worried about UD's ability to fire AG if things don't go well. How long would GTown stick with a legend? I think we're going to find out...

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by springborofan Redirecting...does anyone else think like I do that Patrick Ewing will be a total disaster at Georgetown? He has no college coaching experience whatsoever. Yes, he has name recognition but that only goes so far. Posters on here worried about UD's ability to fire AG if things don't go well. How long would GTown stick with a legend? I think we're going to find out...

Patrick is a gamble, a huge one with a big upside. Name recognition. It was becoming apparent that no one wanted to take on the Thompson legacy at Georgetown.

Huge task, wish him well as I do Archie, but my opinion does not change on Archie till I see how he handles the more talented players and the rabid fan base. My IU fan is not ecstatic about the hire but is willing to support him....short term.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by springborofan Redirecting...does anyone else think like I do that Patrick Ewing will be a total disaster at Georgetown? He has no college coaching experience whatsoever. Yes, he has name recognition but that only goes so far. Posters on here worried about UD's ability to fire AG if things don't go well. How long would GTown stick with a legend? I think we're going to find out...

This will be interesting to watch from afar.

[NorthwestFlyer]

There was a paragraph about the Flyers in the article, therefore I would not consider the article to be off topic.

[IndianaFlyer]

No problem Northwest, your opinion is as valid as mine and I respect the opinion of all. I'm not trying to be negative, as has been pointed out I certainly don't have to read the thread.
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[SeasonTicketFan]

There is nothing wrong with being ambitious. Frankly, BG and AM were both MORE ambitious than the university. The university has to start thinking more like a championship organization. UD is getting there thanks to the ambition of these coaches

If you think you are good and top notch, then you want to be where the best are. I can't fault either coach.

If AG does not talk about winning A10 championships, sweet 16s, Final Fours and championship games, I will be disappointed. I expect him to drive the team and university towards those goals.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan There is nothing wrong with being ambitious. Frankly, BG and AM were both MORE ambitious than the university. The university has to start thinking more like a championship organization. UD is getting there thanks to the ambition of these coaches If you think you are good and top notch, then you want to be where the best are. I can't fault either coach. If AG does not talk about winning A10 championships, sweet 16s, Final Fours and championship games, I will be disappointed. I expect him to drive the team and university towards those goals.

And here I thought that by offering AM a top ten salary, and all the support he could ask for that the Administration was acting like a championship organization.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by UD62 And here I thought that by offering AM a top ten salary, and all the support he could ask for that the Administration was acting like a championship organization.

They didn't give him a 15/15 schedule. Lol.

[jack72]

Miller, nor any coach in his position, cannot wait when the job they want, and are offered comes open. He had to take it now, or maybe forever hold his piece. Archie felt he was ready, the school he wanted offered big bucks, so what's to debate?

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by jack72 Miller, nor any coach in his position, cannot wait when the job they want, and are offered comes open. He had to take it now, or maybe forever hold his piece. Archie felt he was ready, the school he wanted offered big bucks, so what's to debate?

That's fine if that is all there is to it. But taking IU with all that goes with it is no easy chore. So several of you think because the opportunity opened up he should have taken it, which he did. But what happens if you don't meet their expectations and the leash is short then you find yourself on the out side with far less opportunities, vs waiting for more experience to survive that opportunity and become the next BK.

To me he will either be the savior to bring back their golden years or just another so so coach who couldn't deliver. All I'm saying is I felt he needed more time to prepare for the IU job. Hope I'm wrong but looking back at OP, BG don't see where their moves worked out for the better.

[cralford]

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer Hope I'm wrong but looking back at OP, BG don't see where their moves worked out for the better.

I would not put OP or BG in the same coaching class as Archie. Definitely not BG. I am not sure why but Oliver never seemed adequate in the tournament. They both gave UD a needed boost but were never considered at the same level. I like Archie's chances of making it as a successful coach.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by cralford I would not put OP or BG in the same coaching class as Archie. Definitely not BG. I am not sure why but Oliver never seemed adequate in the tournament. They both gave UD a needed boost but were never considered at the same level. I like Archie's chances of making it as a successful coach.

I agree. Oliver is a very good coach, but struggled recruiting and getting the right assistants to recruit well.

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by jack72 I agree. Oliver is a very good coach, but struggled recruiting and getting the right assistants to recruit well.

If he could win a tourney game NIT or NCAA I'd agree.....but the records don't lie

[ud2]

I must have missed this back on May 7...James Blackmon Junior, of Indiana, decided to stay in the NBA Draft, that brought IU down to 13 scholarship players.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-bas...ying-in-draft/




And Robert Johnson decided Monday that he is returning to IU, so their roster is full at 13.

http://www.hoosiersportsreport.com/2...r-senior-year/

Seniors
3★SFCollin Hartman(6-7 220)

Juniors
3.3★PGJosh Newkirk(6-1 185)
4★SGRobert Johnson(6-3 195)
3★SFFreddie McSwain, Jr.(6-6 215)
2★PFTim Priller(6-9 255)

Sophomores
3.7★PFJuwan Morgan(6-8 230)

Freshmen
4★SGCurtis 'Cujo' Jones(6-4 175)
3★SGDevonte Green(6-3 186)
2.3★SGGrant Gelon(6-5 195)
4★PFDe'Ron Davis(6-10 240)

2017 Recruits
3.3★SGAljami 'Al' Durham(6-4 180)Committed
3.7★SFJustin Smith(6-7 215)Signed
2★PFClifton Moore, Jr.(6-10 190)Committed

[shapanud]

Originally Posted by ud2 I must have missed this back on May 7...James Blackmon Junior, of Indiana, decided to stay in the NBA Draft, that brought IU down to 13 scholarship players. http://www.cbssports.com/college-bas...ying-in-draft/ And Robert Johnson decided Monday that he is returning to IU, so their roster is full at 13. http://www.hoosiersportsreport.com/2...r-senior-year/ Seniors 3★SFCollin Hartman(6-7 220) Juniors 3.3★PGJosh Newkirk(6-1 185) 4★SGRobert Johnson(6-3 195) 3★SFFreddie McSwain, Jr.(6-6 215) 2★PFTim Priller(6-9 255) Sophomores 3.7★PFJuwan Morgan(6-8 230) Freshmen 4★SGCurtis 'Cujo' Jones(6-4 175) 3★SGDevonte Green(6-3 186) 2.3★SGGrant Gelon(6-5 195) 4★PFDe'Ron Davis(6-10 240) 2017 Recruits 3.3★SGAljami 'Al' Durham(6-4 180)Committed 3.7★SFJustin Smith(6-7 215)Signed 2★PFClifton Moore, Jr.(6-10 190)Committed

IU now is down to 12 scholarship players with transfer of one of their Fr who didn't play much:
http://www.insidethehall.com/2017/05...-from-indiana/

[ud2]

Originally Posted by shapanud IU now is down to 12 scholarship players with transfer of one of their Fr who didn't play much: http://www.insidethehall.com/2017/05...-from-indiana/

Some talk in the comments about grabbing Nahziah Carter now.

[jack72]

First big recruiting test coming up for Archie. He is going hard after #3 in next year's class, SG from New Albany, In, Romeo Langford.

[BRob2Perryman3]

Radford and Old Dominion

[OSU Flyer]

I thought OP beat LIU-Brooklyn and high scoring guard Charles Jones in the NIT

[marco red eagle]

Now that AM is gone .. what colleges could he leave for .... under his contract .. without breaking it?

UD62 said IU was one of them.

[BRob2Perryman3]

Anthony Grant proved at Alabama he could pull a 4-star or 2. Not sure about a 5-star. Dont sign him up for Syracuse yet.