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Old 03-05-2017, 08:16 AM
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Archie faces a difficult coaching challenge as he prepares his team for the A-10 tournament.
They lost their identity at GW as their performance caused them to fall behind Rhode Island and VCU for defensive efficiency. They left their defensive intensity at home after celebrating and cutting down the nets at UD arena. They did not look like a team with more to prove this season. Satisfaction with the regular season first place finish is a ticket an early out in the A-10 tournament. Dayton can beat anyone in the conference on a neutral court or lose to anyone. It all depends on the skill with which they play. Playing well in the A-10 tournament is important to seeding and making a run in the NCAA tournament. Let's hope a few good days of practice bring an attitude adjustment. Some practice shooting foul shots may be in order as well.
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Old 03-05-2017, 08:37 AM
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Alberto, I agree with you in general, but I don't think "skill" was the big issue last night, or in any of the other 5 losses either. No, IMHO, focus and determination were the issues last night. Lazy passes. Failure to close-out on shooters. Dribbling into triple coverage with no exit strategy. Short-arming or otherwise bricking layups. Those all happen when there's a lack of concentration, and/or a lack of effort.
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Old 03-05-2017, 08:53 AM
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UD's ability to win comes by way of mental toughness, effort, heart, and desire to beat the other guy and impose your will.

Nothing more, nothing less. This group of players are VERY talented. This coaching staff is VERY talented. This isn't gameplan, strategy, individual skill set, etc...it is the above and it all starts on the defensive end by imposing your will on D and getting out into transition.

Last night, the only will imposed was the desire to have your butt parked on the bench for a lack of effort in the first half. This team has skated by with too many slow starts to games this season, last night bit them in the tail.
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Old 03-05-2017, 09:30 AM
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This loss was the best thing to us that could have happened.
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Geeze. This was a classic trap game and it played out that way. Emotionally, the kids were drained after the VCU battle and, having won the A-10 regular season Championship, there wasn't much left in the tank. I salute their effort at coming back strong and not giving up in a hostile environment. A little better accuracy at the foul line and we still would have won, but some days are like that, unfortunately. IMHO, we should take a step back and relax. Archie and his staff, along with the seniors, will be ready to roll by Thursday.
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Old 03-05-2017, 10:57 AM
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Give some credit to GW. They came out hitting everything and they were pumped for senior night. It's one loss and certainly not indicative of a loss of identity.
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Give some credit to GW. They came out hitting everything and they were pumped for senior night. It's one loss and certainly not indicative of a loss of identity.
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I agree it's only one game (and a road game to boot) and by no means does that define our season. I do however hope that we learn defensively from it because a big part of the reason they were hitting EVERYTHING was because we didn't defend well. Watch the replay and tell me the last time you saw our defenders get caught on screens as much as we did last night.
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Old 03-05-2017, 11:17 AM
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Having coached and played, I contend last night was the biggest coaching challenge. No matter what Archie said or did, the players were going to have a letdown. Next game, Archie can roll the ball out there, and close his eyes, and our guys will do a great job.
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Old 03-05-2017, 11:49 AM
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This was a game that we lost due to mental breakdowns. This is not a trend. Burn the tape and move on.

We lost this game at the free throw line and bad 3 point D.

Had we made just 4 more free throws and they missed 1 3 point shot we would've won the game. And that still would've put us at just 65% from the FT line and them at 46% from beyond the arc, leaving alot of room for improvement on both ends. If we hold them to 30% from 3 and shoot 75% from FT line we win the game by 15+. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

Had that happened the threads today would've been about how mentally tough this group is, in Archie we trust, blah blah blah. So again, no trends here. Burn the tape and move on.

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Had that happened the threads today would've been about how mentally tough this group is, in Archie we trust, blah blah blah. So again, no trends here. Burn the tape and move on.
And don't take what I typed means they aren't mentally tough...when they are...they win. They are a gritty bunch. When they get away from that, like last night, they suffer. Just stating the facts of what makes them successful.

They don't win a ton of the games this year if they weren't.

And on another note...I absolutely hate the term "trap game". Screw that:

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Old 03-05-2017, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 224 View Post
This was a game that we lost due to mental breakdowns. This is not a trend. Burn the tape and move on.

We lost this game at the free throw line and bad 3 point D.

Had we made just 4 more free throws and they missed 1 3 point shot we would've won the game. And that still would've put us at just 65% from the FT line and them at 46% from beyond the arc, leaving alot of room for improvement on both ends. If we hold them to 30% from 3 and shoot 75% from FT line we win the game by 15+. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

Had that happened the threads today would've been about how mentally tough this group is, in Archie we trust, blah blah blah. So again, no trends here. Burn the tape and move on.
Not sure if it's a trend, but falling behind by a surprisingly large margin is certainly a recurring theme this year. It happened in the St Mary's, Nebraska and Northwestern losses. Also happened against Bonny and Davidson but they were able to come back. Not a viable strategy against NCAA tourney teams.
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This loss was the best thing to us that could have happened.
I feel a nine-game winning streak is much more realistic than a 19-game winning streak...
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This loss was the best thing to us that could have happened.
Seems to be an optimistic spin. It's not like we were Gonzaga trying to stay unbeaten. I'd rather keep winning and get a better seed to avoid playing No. 1 in the second round.
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Dayton has scored an average of 1.12 points per possession for the 47th best offense in the country. Versus GW, Dayton scored 1.12 points per possession.

But Dayton gives up .95 points per possession and Dayton gave up 1.21 points per possession versus GW. This was Dayton's worst defensive result for the 2016-2017 season and GW's 2nd best offensive effort (best was 1.22 points per possession versus #337).

It happens, combination of poor defensive effort by Dayton and a lot of luck by GW.

BUT OFFENSE WAS FINE LAST NIGHT, it was the average for the season which has resulted in Dayton being the #47th best offense in the nation (and by the way trending-up materially as was about #112 10 games ago).

Defense has been going in the opposite direction from #9 to #40 the last 10 games.
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Dayton has scored an average of 1.12 points per possession for the 47th best offense in the country. Versus GW, Dayton scored 1.12 points per possession.

But Dayton gives up .95 points per possession and Dayton gave up 1.21 points per possession versus GW. This was Dayton's worst defensive result for the 2016-2017 season and GW's 2nd best offensive effort (best was 1.22 points per possession versus #337).

It happens, combination of poor defensive effort by Dayton and a lot of luck by GW.

BUT OFFENSE WAS FINE LAST NIGHT, it was the average for the season which has resulted in Dayton being the #47th best offense in the nation (and by the way trending-up materially as was about #112 10 games ago).

Defense has been going in the opposite direction from #9 to #40 the last 10 games.
That is troubling. That's a pretty big sample size and a pretty big decline. Why do you think that's happening?
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That is troubling. That's a pretty big sample size and a pretty big decline. Why do you think that's happening?
Because we started Baby D most of those games!

OK...I just said that to get Smitty to have a stroke :-)

My other point is that starting KD or DD had no bearing on whether our guys beat GW Sat. Night. It had everything to do with a mental letdown after one of the most emotional games in their college career and GW was shooting out of their minds on Senior night.

S%#t happens. Move on and win the next three and see where we land.
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My other point is that starting KD or DD had no bearing on whether our guys beat GW Sat. Night. It had everything to do with a mental letdown after one of the most emotional games in their college career and GW was shooting out of their minds on Senior night.

S%#t happens. Move on and win the next three and see where we land.
Exactly.
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Dayton has scored an average of 1.12 points per possession for the 47th best offense in the country. Versus GW, Dayton scored 1.12 points per possession.

But Dayton gives up .95 points per possession and Dayton gave up 1.21 points per possession versus GW. This was Dayton's worst defensive result for the 2016-2017 season and GW's 2nd best offensive effort (best was 1.22 points per possession versus #337).

It happens, combination of poor defensive effort by Dayton and a lot of luck by GW.

BUT OFFENSE WAS FINE LAST NIGHT, it was the average for the season which has resulted in Dayton being the #47th best offense in the nation (and by the way trending-up materially as was about #112 10 games ago).

Defense has been going in the opposite direction from #9 to #40 the last 10 games.

Archie has been talking about this for a couple of weeks. He has not been happy with the defensive results the last couple of weeks.
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Archie has been talking about this for a couple of weeks. He has not been happy with the defensive results the last couple of weeks.
We know the defensive results are not very good, but still curious as to why this is happening? Did Archie state the reason(s)?

Tired legs?
Lack of effort/boredom down the stretch?
Not following the game plan?
Opponents adjusting to/exploiting our D?
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We know the defensive results are not very good, but still curious as to why this is happening? Did Archie state the reason(s)?

Tired legs?
Lack of effort/boredom down the stretch?
Not following the game plan?
Opponents adjusting to/exploiting our D?
He has not discussed reasons why. He just said it concerns him quite a bit.
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He has not discussed reasons why. He just said it concerns him quite a bit.
They are not fighting through screens and they are prematurely hedging or switching.
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Originally Posted by TommyGola View Post
They are not fighting through screens and they are prematurely hedging or switching.
Thanks. I see the not fighting through screens - that's primarily effort/toughness and maybe better communication.

Hedging/switching too soon - at this point of the season, how do you correct that? A lot of that is feel and comfort playing together, correct?
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Thanks. I see the not fighting through screens - that's primarily effort/toughness and maybe better communication.

Hedging/switching too soon - at this point of the season, how do you correct that? A lot of that is feel and comfort playing together, correct?
Yes, it should be automatic at this point of the season, but close observance of the premature hedging and switching indicates that our front-liners are a major part of the problem. They switch and hedge on the penetrating or probing guards and then one or both of the defenders is too slow to get back to their primary responsibility. This surfaces the most when you have 3/4/5 offensive players who can shoot the three-ball, as we have faced with St. Mary's and GW. You also have to look at the opponents' coaching strategies. The GW guards would quickly hit a cutting or moving front-liner once the UD hedge or switch was initiated. As much as I hate to say it, Chris Mack at Norwood University is a complete master of "burning the hedge." He frequently does it by having their big man cut to the basket once the hedge or switch is being initiated. If you hedge or switch prematurely, in effect telegraph the hedge or switch, these coaches are training their players to hit either the cutter or the open front-liner for the three. Fortunately, not too many front-liners can hit the three-ball with a whole lot of consistency, but St. Mary's and GW are clearly the exceptions.
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