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Old 08-30-2013, 11:31 PM
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Well, wecalmost landed Howard, might as well get one of the fab fives kids. Can't believe it's been that long
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I'm surprised I haven't seen anything on here about Jalen Rose committing to UD. He said he officially verbally committed on Twitter. Is it no big deal because it's a verbal?
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supposedly he has no scholarship offer from UD.
Maybe there was a miscommunication somewhere as to whether an offer was actually extended? Verbalcommits and Rivals are showing that he has an offer. It appears that the original tweet has been deleted.

http://verbalcommits.com/players/jalen-rose

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...en-Rose-154803

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Another One Bites the Dust

We've just lost another from our depleted list of (big man) recruits, only this time it is to a conference competitor:

8/30/2013 - 2014 PF Justin Tillman (6-8, 200, 3.3★) | Overall Rank: 158 | Position Rank: 36 committed to VCU. - Per Dave Telep, ESPN - See more at: http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools....4QHPvcGL.dpuf

Question: Does this concern anyone that our 2014 list is down to three PF's and zero C's? The 2015 list contains three PF's and one C.
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by remaining in the lesser conference. Until they move their choices will be greatly limited.
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Originally Posted by LI Flyer View Post
We've just lost another from our depleted list of (big man) recruits, only this time it is to a conference competitor:

8/30/2013 - 2014 PF Justin Tillman (6-8, 200, 3.3★) | Overall Rank: 158 | Position Rank: 36 committed to VCU. - Per Dave Telep, ESPN - See more at: http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools....4QHPvcGL.dpuf

Question: Does this concern anyone that our 2014 list is down to three PF's and zero C's? The 2015 list contains three PF's and one C.
Archie will just go the transfer route, which has worked well for him in the past. One could make the argument that our best players in the last several years have been transfers (Dillard, Sanford and Sibert).
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Archie will just go the transfer route, which has worked well for him in the past. One could make the argument that our best players in the last several years have been transfers (Dillard, Sanford and Sibert).
Agreed, however how many transfers were big men. I seemed to remember someone named Thiago and another named Stafford and I don't recall that either worked out well.

Finding an effective 4 or 5 transfer is often more difficult then finding a high school recruit.
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Neither of those were transfers.

Stafford was a freshman when he enrolled. Was originally a Mo Cassara target, didn't get grades and test scores to qualify and didn't get an offer. Got the test scores in fall and enrolled second semester. He never enrolled to play hoops at another school, unless he usesd a 5th year post UD.

Thiago Cordeiro was a recruit from JUCO. Technically those are transfers, but most hear transfer and think D1 to D1. The only UD "big" transfer in I can recall is Dave Colbert.
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That was Chris Webber
You're right, my bad.

Hey, are your sources still saying we're "in" the new Big East for sure?
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Meantime, 6-10 center Michael Chandler is now being courted by Arizona, Oregon, Memphis, Minnesota, Wichita State, ECU and Dayton, DeMeo said.

Allan Chandler, Michael’s uncle, told SNY.tv Michael “will take an official to Arizona,” although no date is set.

Chandler previously committed and decommitted from Louisville, UCF and Xavier.
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Neither of those were transfers.

Thiago Cordeiro was a recruit from JUCO. Technically those are transfers, but most hear transfer and think D1 to D1. The only UD "big" transfer in I can recall is Dave Colbert.
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http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/juco-...-many-suitors/

Meantime, 6-10 center Michael Chandler is now being courted by Arizona, Oregon, Memphis, Minnesota, Wichita State, ECU and Dayton, DeMeo said.

Allan Chandler, Michael’s uncle, told SNY.tv Michael “will take an official to Arizona,” although no date is set.

Chandler previously committed and decommitted from Louisville, UCF and Xavier.
Hopefully Chandler has settled down some, 3 decommits seems like quite a bit.
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Sorry my error about Stafford, but you made my point! Getting a "big transfer" is not an easy task.
Not sure if that's as mich the issue as it is that until recently (late Gregory) UD hasn't been real active for transfer and JUCOs.
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Point of View

I think the sell to both Smith and Davis was a fairly easy one last year in that we had vacancies at the PG position. I still don't know how we landed Pollard but the sell to two well rated point guards was not a difficult one. Trying to sell a big man is a completely different story.

My belief is that there are fewer quality PF's and C's then there are guards and wings, hence the difficulty in procuring those type of players. The BCS schools or highly regarded basketball programs seem to be the ones who scoff up the talent at this position. The day we start to attract quality big men is a clear signal that the program is on the rise.

The jury is still out on Robinson and Scott. It is my belief that if these two grow and develop so will our program. Their development will be a factor as we move forward in the recruiting process.
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I agree in part that a quality big man will help our cause immensely. But others have succeeded without one.

The day we win some NCAA games in the same season will be an even clearer signal that the program is on the rise. There are a number of ways to do that. We can tag team journeymen centers and still be good if they are the right ones. We aren't going to get an Oden or a Koufos, and they aren't even good pro centers.

We couldn't even get that transfer from Vanderbilt who ultimately went to tOSU and sat on the bench. IMO we are going to have to learn to get there the hard way.
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per Zagsblog F Martin Geben is down to Virginia and Notre Dame

Brady Ellingson got officially offered by Iowa
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Here's a big coming to Dayton for an official.....

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New Haven 6-11 center Steve McElvene (2014) plans to take an official visit to Dayton next weekend.
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Videos for Steve McElvene...he appears to be a man among boys in the clips. He is big and strong and dominates around the hoop. Finishes well against smaller opponents. Purdue is all over him it appears. He is a big, big young man!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_k7ZHZcVXc

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I agree in part that a quality big man will help our cause immensely. But others have succeeded without one.

The day we win some NCAA games in the same season will be an even clearer signal that the program is on the rise. There are a number of ways to do that. We can tag team journeymen centers and still be good if they are the right ones. We aren't going to get an Oden or a Koufos, and they aren't even good pro centers.

We couldn't even get that transfer from Vanderbilt who ultimately went to tOSU and sat on the bench. IMO we are going to have to learn to get there the hard way.
Skilled big men are always in high demand, it is important to try to develop your big men internally.

And the Vanderbilt transfer that you referred to, was that Kyle Madsen?

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/spo...en_kyle00.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/players/46513
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The big guy is from New Haven....a suburb of Ft. Wayne, Indiana.
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Yes, Madsen. Career 1.5 rebounds and 1.8 points/game. But he probably was as good or better than Kurt Huelsman. Could have helped us.
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Steve McElvene is a very big man. Seems pretty well coordinated as well. We can only hope.
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Videos for Steve McElvene...he appears to be a man among boys in the clips. He is big and strong and dominates around the hoop. Finishes well against smaller opponents. Purdue is all over him it appears. He is a big, big young man!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-4SWSu6rQQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFUFoU_QVRQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_k7ZHZcVXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvlpYuHe9y4
According to the 4th link, Purdue is waiting to offer, so he's clearly not their first choice. He also mentioned an offer from La Salle.
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McElvene also plays football...just to stay in shape!

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UD in the McElvene's Final 3 along with Pitt and Purdue

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According to the 4th link, Purdue is waiting to offer, so he's clearly not their first choice. He also mentioned an offer from La Salle.
The article posted above by lhsgolf sheds a little more light on this...

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UD in the McElvene's Final 3 along with Pitt and Purdue

http://www.indystar.com/article/2013...nclick_check=1
It says Purdue is waiting for academic reasons which are tied to a single class he needs to complete satisfactorily. While it's possible there could be real eligibility concerns, it's equally possible since the kid is a late bloomer of sorts (as big men tend to be) that Purdue is conveniently using it as an excuse to hold off on their offer while they're going after another guy. Hard to say. But with that combination of size and skill and Dayton's need for a center, I'm hopeful he'll see how much he's wanted at UD when he visits next weekend. Sounds like he's very much considering Dayton, so maybe he'll commit next weekend...

“If I go to Pitt or Dayton, where they need a big man, I think the ball will come to me a little more often,” he said. “But I’ll go wherever I think I can become a better player and try to make it to the next level.”

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We aren't going to get an Oden or a Koufos, and they aren't even good pro centers.
Oden's not really the best example of a pro center who isn't very good. I mean Wilt Chamberlain, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, etc. also aren't good pro centers at this moment in time. But they were at one point in time. Oden's knees wouldn't allow him to become great, but he was also once a good pro center albeit for a very brief period of time. As a very raw, young center he was putting up a double-double or close to it every night. He's trying to make a comeback this year, and I hope he succeeds. By all accounts, he is a really good guy.

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Darrell Davis on campus taking an official visit this weekend.

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And one more recruiting note, former Thurgood Marshall star Joe Thomasson who went the JUCO route after failing to qualify at Wright State, committed a few weeks ago to Oklahoma State. But a couple of days ago he decommitted. He has two years of eligibility remaining.

Now here's where it get's interesting... According to an article published by the DDN on August 23, Thomasson received a scholarship offer from Dayton days AFTER he committed to Oklahoma State. If I were an Oklahoma State fan, I wouldn't be particularly happy about that situation, especially now that he's decommitted.

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/new...ondaily_launch

Very, very, very interesting to say the least.

Thomasson, McElvene, Davis, Ellingson... Feels like something is about to happen and soon.

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Interesting to say the least. Maybe we are learning to recruit like the big boys. It's not very often that Texas and Oklahoma sports programs are on the wrong end of one of these deals. T Boone won't lose any sleep over it. Good for us.
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Oden's not really the best example of a pro center who isn't very good. I mean Wilt Chamberlain, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, etc. also aren't good pro centers at this moment in time. But they were at one point in time. Oden's knees wouldn't allow him to become great, but he was also once a good pro center albeit for a very brief period of time. As a very raw, young center he was putting up a double-double or close to it every night. He's trying to make a comeback this year, and I hope he succeeds. By all accounts, he is a really good guy.
Totally agree that Greg is a good guy, role model type who is worth the investment by the Heat.

But really, to compare his injury ridden track record in the NBA to a bunch of top 50 players all time in the NBA? Bottom line, Oden was a 20 year old #1 pick in the draft who couldn't stay on the court but for 2 out of 5 initial seasons when he was under 25 years old. Portland gave up on him. Miami hopes to get 15 minutes/game out of him some day.
Injuries are part of the game. Can't make the club in the tub. As a number one pick--bust.

But I'd concede that another chapter will be written on Oden with the Heat, and hopefully it will be a good one.
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Now here's where it get's interesting... According to an article published by the DDN on August 23, Thomasson received a scholarship offer from Dayton days AFTER he committed to Oklahoma State. If I were an Oklahoma State fan, I wouldn't be particularly happy about that situation, especially now that he's decommitted.
Isn't that a recruiting violation? I don't believe that you are allowed to offer somebody after they have already committed somewhere else, right?

It might not technically be a violation, but isn't that considered bad form/poor sportsmanship?
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Isn't that a recruiting violation? I don't believe that you are allowed to offer somebody after they have already committed somewhere else, right?

It might not technically be a violation, but isn't that considered bad form/poor sportsmanship?
A verbal is not a true commitment. It happens all the time in football and is beginning to happen more in basketball. This is not something that either UD or AM do very often. I suspect there are some extenuating circumstances with this.
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Violation? Nope.

Breaking a 'gentleman's agreement' or unwritten rule? Maybe.
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Isn't that a recruiting violation? I don't believe that you are allowed to offer somebody after they have already committed somewhere else, right?

It might not technically be a violation, but isn't that considered bad form/poor sportsmanship?
No and no.

Coaches vie for athletes until the moment they sign their letter of intent. Everything prior to that is non-binding (on both ends). Some might think it unsportsmanlike to chase committed recruits (though I would imagine those folks are in the minority), it's certainly not a violation.
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Update on Joe Thomasson? Wright State?

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And one more recruiting note, former Thurgood Marshall star Joe Thomasson who went the JUCO route after failing to qualify at Wright State, committed a few weeks ago to Oklahoma State. But a couple of days ago he decommitted. He has two years of eligibility remaining.

Now here's where it get's interesting... According to an article published by the DDN on August 23, Thomasson received a scholarship offer from Dayton days AFTER he committed to Oklahoma State. If I were an Oklahoma State fan, I wouldn't be particularly happy about that situation, especially now that he's decommitted.

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/new...ondaily_launch

Very, very, very interesting to say the least.

Thomasson, McElvene, Davis, Ellingson... Feels like something is about to happen and soon.
Oklahoma State expects a commitment from 4-star SG Jarred Terrell tomorrow, which seems to be the more likely reason for his decommitment.
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Update on Joe Thomasson? Wright State?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...51773540,d.dmg
That's his high school profile. He signed with Wright State out of high school, but didn't qualify and ended up at a JUCO.
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That's his high school profile. He signed with Wright State out of high school, but didn't qualify and ended up at a JUCO.
Wright State had hoped Thomasson would be a prop 48 kid coming out of high school, but didn't work out. Was worth a shot on their part as he's a huge talent.
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Lots of smoke but no fire to be found. Awfully late in the game to have gotten zero verbals. No excuses this year are valid if we have to hold schollies and continue to wiff.
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Lots of smoke but no fire to be found. Awfully late in the game to have gotten zero verbals. No excuses this year are valid if we have to hold schollies and continue to wiff.
Not really
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Lots of smoke but no fire to be found. Awfully late in the game to have gotten zero verbals. No excuses this year are valid if we have to hold schollies and continue to wiff.
False.

Kyle Davis committed on August 26.
Scoochie Smith committed on October 5.
Kendall Pollard committed on October 19.

Perhaps we can revisit your pessimism if the situation remains static come November 13, the beginning of the early signing period.

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next couple weeks will be interesting. feels like a verbal or two is imminent.
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I would not be surprised at all if Ryan Luther commits within the next few weeks
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Oklahoma State expects a commitment from 4-star SG Jarred Terrell tomorrow, which seems to be the more likely reason for his decommitment.
Terrell committed to Oklahoma State today.

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False.

Kyle Davis committed on August 26.
Scoochie Smith committed on October 5.
Kendall Pollard committed on October 19.

Perhaps we can revisit your pessimism if the situation remains static come November 13, the beginning of the early signing period.
Thanks for pointing this out. I remember archie saying that he didn't want this to happen again, wanted to have some guys earlier than this. But, he doesn't want to settle for talent that won't move the team forward. If we can get a couple of guys as good as Pierre everyone will be happy
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Lots of smoke but no fire to be found. Awfully late in the game to have gotten zero verbals. No excuses this year are valid if we have to hold schollies and continue to wiff.
This may go down as the worst post this year. We have the top rated recruiting class in the league, and it's a whiff? Wow.
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I would not be surprised at all if Ryan Luther commits within the next few weeks
Don't know the young man and I am sure he's a fine young man, but our first commit for 2014 is a SF. How much playing time will he see behind Pierre and Pollard????????????

I hope he's a shooting machine!
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Thanks for pointing this out. I remember archie saying that he didn't want this to happen again, wanted to have some guys earlier than this. But, he doesn't want to settle for talent that won't move the team forward. If we can get a couple of guys as good as Pierre everyone will be happy
Archie's comments were in regards to wanting to have more players signed in the early period, instead of needing to find guys in the late signing period. He made them in regards to the spring that we signed Price, Pierre, and Sibert.
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You should be signing someone at that position 3 out of 4 years. Hopefully one van play some 2 and one some 4 in a small lineup.
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I would not be surprised at all if Ryan Luther commits within the next few weeks
He has nine offers according to Rivals, but Iowa and VaTech are the only BCS rides. At 6'8", 200 lbs I guess he can add some height.....but he is definitely not the post player we're looking for.

He has no ranking on Rivals. ESPN has nothing on him at all. I'd feel lot better about him if he was a Canadian.
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Nice article on Darrell Davis who is on campus this weekend. Really shows how much of a priority he has been for Dayton. He has BCS offers but it sounds like he really appreciates that Dayton was there before everyone else and he values his relationship with the UD coaching staff, especially coach Ostrom.

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NY2LASPORTS.COM - UPDATE WITH 2014 G DARRELL DAVIS
Scott Phillips — Contributing Editor - NY2LASPORTS.COM


Detroit 2014 guard Darrell Davis is one of the hotter names in the class at the guard position with his ability to score and also run a bit of point and facilitate if need be. The 6'4" guard from Douglass Academy in Detroit had a strong spring and summer with the Michigan Hurricanes and made a lot of plays scoring and handling the point during the month of July. Recently, Davis picked up some big scholarship offers and gave NY2LA Sports his current list.

"Michigan State, Dayton, Rhode Island, Florida International, Central Florida, South Florida, Richmond, and the MAC have all offered," Davis said.
"(I'd like to commit) before December; sometime before the end of the year," Davis said.

Currently there is one program pursuing Davis the hardest and it's Dayton.

"I'd say Dayton is on me the hardest," Davis said. "They tell me how I can come in and be a great fit and all of the positive attributes that I bring to the team."


- See more at: http://www.ny2lasports.com/article_o....PnH2CFAh.dpuf
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9/7/2013 - 2014 PF Peyton Aldridge (6-7, 200, 2.7★) committed to Davidson. -

And another and another one, ah you know the rest!
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The good news is that Darrell Davis just committed to UD.
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If you keep posting every commit that ever listed UD it's going to be a long list. The batting average for nonBCS schools vs the full list is less than 10%.
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Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer View Post
Lots of smoke but no fire to be found. Awfully late in the game to have gotten zero verbals. No excuses this year are valid if we have to hold schollies and continue to wiff.
How's that 4 star recruit Davis "wiff" working out for you
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watched some video. He is really skilled, excellent with the ball.
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How's that 4 star recruit Davis "wiff" working out for you
Pretty good now that he is recruited!

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75...2f1324288.html

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbr...l/post?id=5794

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Despite the fact we have not secured a big man, I'm overjoyed with the Davis pick up. A shooting guard who can handle the ball - I'll take that any day.

I hope the next recruit we pick up is named "Smith". Imagine having two "Smith and Davis" combinations.
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The style of college ball emphasizes perimeter over big. The teams who did well last year in the A10 did so without traditional osit players increasingly becoming a "four guard" and a forward game.

I would be fine with a bunch of good wings and points, and three guys who at 6'8" and athletic who will rebound and block shots.
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every recruit Archie has signed has had a BCS offer?
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Old 09-08-2013, 08:30 PM
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next couple weeks will be interesting. feels like a verbal or two is imminent.
Now that's what I call imminent. I think we'll get another one this month for sure too. Always helps when the scholly number starts dwindling and a little pressure presents itself...
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In watching his video he actually reminds me a little bit of Scoochie. Very good handle, quick and long. I saw a clip of him playing against Kenard in AAU this spring and he looked very good.
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How's that 4 star recruit Davis "wiff" working out for you
He'll be awfully outmanned playing C or PF. Without a quality recruit at one of those two positions this recruiting class will lack and will be less than successful IMO.

As for TA11 - try reading before blubbering on again about the supposed best class in the league - I was clearly talking about 2014
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We need at least one big in '14. Preferably one who can defend and block shots. Let's go and get him!
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:06 AM
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We need at least one big in '14. Preferably one who can defend and block shots. Let's go and get him!
How many ships do they have to offer? Based upon recruiting, it seems like Archie is moving more towards a 3 gaurd offense, a SF playing the 4 spot and a PF/C in the post. Given the availability of post players at a school like UD, I can see the strategy behind that, plus is seems that is the direction that basketball is moving in general. Rarely do you see a traditionally strong two post offense, more often than not, your PF is a guy that can step out to the 3 point line. Its becoming true in the NBA where you see a guy like LeBron playing the 4 on occasion, or if they have Bosh in there w/ another big, Bosh is taking shots and handling the ball on the perimeter. Its also becoming true in NCAA as presented in numerous cases in this thread.

If this is indeed true, seems like UD needs a post and another SF type that can bang down low a little bit. I'm not sure that Pierre is build to handle the ball inside against a bigger opponent on a regular basis, seems like the SF they got out of Chicago last year could be that kind of player. Robinson, Garolovich & Scott down low, plus a 2014 recruit, so that you can flex b/w a 4 out offense and a traditional two post offense. Pollard, Pierre & 2014 recruit to handle the 3/4 spot again alternating b/w a 4 out offense and a traditional 2 post offense. Price, Siebert, Davis, Davis & Smith to handle the 1 & 2 position mainly, plus the 3 spot when they go to a 4 out offense.

If they can do that, then they could hold the last ship for a transfer at the end of the year, or a developmental type PG.
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Originally Posted by Medford View Post
Given the availability of post players at a school like UD, I can see the strategy behind that, plus is seems that is the direction that basketball is moving in general. Rarely do you see a traditionally strong two post offense, more often than not, your PF is a guy that can step out to the 3 point line. Its becoming true in the NBA where you see a guy like LeBron playing the 4 on occasion, or if they have Bosh in there w/ another big, Bosh is taking shots and handling the ball on the perimeter. Its also becoming true in NCAA as presented in numerous cases in this thread.
You are right...but...in the event you are lucky enough to land 2 guys with back to the basket skills, and the ability to bang...you end up in a situation where you can create some major matchup headaches.

If AM is flexible, which his style of play is, no matter who walks in the door has the ability to create some interesting choices depending on the opponent. I would rather have a couple bigs that may fight for one true 5 spot, than be shorthanded and have an undersized 4, that doesn't have perimeter ability, trying to fill a role he wasn't designed to fill.
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:34 AM
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^^^

Totally agree, if you can land a Greg Oden, plus a Sean May type in the same time frame, you play both in the post and you'd dominate. However, with the dearth of high quality big men, and facing long odds of having to several BCS schools for anyone over 6'8" (I don't care how bad you are, you don't go unnoticed when you're that tall, a gaurd can get overlooked, a big get noticed walking down the street) you need to be flexible.

I have no idea how good that 6'11" kid that is coming to UD this weekend is. If he committed to UD and had two seasons where he could play the 5 spot w/ either Robinson or Scott playing the 4 for durations of games, that would be great. Height is the one thing you can't teach; take as many quality big men as you can get, just be preparred to take a different coarse when needed.
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Old 09-09-2013, 10:56 AM
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How many ships do they have to offer?
They've got 3 ships left for the class of 2014.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_US#gid=0

2013 - 2014
01Matt Kavanaugh
02Devin Oliver
03Vee Sanford

04Alex Gavrilovich
05Jordan Sibert

06Dyshawn Pierre
07Khari Price
08Jalen Robinson
09Devon Scott

10Kyle Davis
11Dayshon Smith
12Kendall Pollard

13Open 2013



2014 - 2015
01Alex Gavrilovich
02Jordan Sibert

03Dyshawn Pierre
04Khari Price
05Jalen Robinson
06Devon Scott

07Kyle Davis
08Dayshon Smith
09Kendall Pollard

10Darrell Davis

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12Open 2014
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I would not be surprised at all if Ryan Luther commits within the next few weeks
Definitely seems like a strong possibility. It looks like Ryan Luther will be visiting Dayton Sept. 21-22. What's the story on him? I see that he has a twin brother, Colin, who has some offers of his own. Is Dayton looking at both of them or just Ryan?

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Is his twin named lex?

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Is his twin named led?
You mean Lex?
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You mean Lex?
Yeah stupid auto correct, didn't notice it until now
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Definitely seems like a strong possibility. It looks like Ryan Luther will be visiting Dayton Sept. 21-22. What's the story on him? I see that he has a twin brother, Colin, who has some offers of his own. Is Dayton looking at both of them or just Ryan?
I don't think that UD is recruiting his brother. Both went on a trip to GW last week so they are recruiting both. Maybe AM could talk to Wright State's coach and ask him to recruit his brother so they could both be in Dayton? :-)
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His brother, Collin Luther, is a 6'5" guard and ranked as the #4 player in the Pittsburgh area. Ryan is ranked #1. It does not appear that Dayton has offered Collin. Both have been offered by Duquesne, which their dad and uncle attended. "Hampton twin brothers Ryan and Collin Luther have let it be known they are not a package deal for colleges. The Hampton juniors don't necessarily have to go to the same college." Archie offered Ryan Luther over a year ago.
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He'll be awfully outmanned playing C or PF. Without a quality recruit at one of those two positions this recruiting class will lack and will be less than successful IMO.

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"Continue" to wiff (sic) means they have been whiffing in recruiting-you are wrong and you still get worst post of the year. Enough said.
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Ryan Luther sounds like a great potential addition. Not a ton of information on him floating around, but what I can find sounds positive. Sounds like he has good size and skills. He's also apparently somewhat of a football prospect as a QB (to the degree that he has a largely blank 247 recruiting page). One site in particular is especially bullish on him, regularly ranking him their best player in the Pittsburgh area. He's apparently got offers from Virginia Tech, those listed below, and one Rivals reports suggesting an Iowa offer.

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My #1 ranked 2014 player in Pittsburgh, 6'7" Ryan Luther(Hampton HS, PA) showed why he has offers from Dayton, Duquesne, and George Washington, and is hearing from a number of Mid+ Division 1 schools. Luther makes the game look easy, with high skill
level and basketball IQ. As a potential college 3 man or face up 4, Luther has nice length, great shooting range, and tremendous passing ability.
http://www.pittsburghbasketballrepor...op1002013.html

With Steve McElvene visiting this weekend, Archie seems to have a pretty good grasp on the 2014 class. McElvene would both literally and figuratively be a huge pickup. I suspect he's about as good of a big man recruit as you'll see in the A10. Enormous, athletic, and raw. It also sounds like bigger fish are circling with Purdue showing evermore interest, to add to offers from Bruce Weber's Kansas State, Pittsburgh, and that **** school in Norwood. As of now, McElvene has UD, Pitt, and Purdue as his top three.

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FWIW, ever since his arrival at UD, AM and his staff have cast a very wide net in their recruiting efforts and it has really paid off. Not only can they recruit successfully in our own back yard, but they seem to have been covering the entire eastern half of the country (and Canada) quite effectively. They must be adhering to a frenetic travel schedule and have good reps with most of the AAU and HS coaches. I don't really remember any of our coaches, since the Blackburn era, that have had as much apparent success over such a wide geographic area in recruiting. It looks like TW and the Administration have provided the resources for AM to recruit and he has staff have taken advantage of it. Well done.
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Ryan Luther, 6'7" swing forward out of the Pittsburgh area, is making an official visit next weekend. Knowing the results of the last two official visitors, might be time start sizing Mr. Luther up for a uniform.

Ryan has more scholarship offers than Collin. Next week, Ryan plans to make an official visit to Dayton. The Flyers and coach Archie Miller were one of the first schools to recruit Ryan before his junior year.
Ryan also was considering offers from Virginia Tech and Iowa, although he said Virginia Tech seems to have cooled its recruitment of him. Iowa wants him to make an official visit, but he has yet to schedule one. It's very likely the Luthers could sign with a school during the NCAA week-long early signing period in November.
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...#ixzz2en65How4

Really excited about potentially adding Luther to the mix. I think he's a great fit and somewhat of a unique player given Archie's recruiting. He'd add something a little different to the rotation. I also really like the idea that Luther's high school is proximate to Archie's hometown. I imagine Archie retains solid contacts in the area, and the fact that Luther received a UD offer prior to his junior season says something about Archie's evaluation.
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I said this last year and will repeat it. AM is recruiting at a level not seen here before. Imagine, he took two kids this week that were offered by Mich St., Purdue , Pitt and Kan St. Frankly, that's unheard of.
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And one more recruiting note, former Thurgood Marshall star Joe Thomasson who went the JUCO route after failing to qualify at Wright State, committed a few weeks ago to Oklahoma State. But a couple of days ago he decommitted. He has two years of eligibility remaining.

Now here's where it get's interesting... According to an article published by the DDN on August 23, Thomasson received a scholarship offer from Dayton days AFTER he committed to Oklahoma State. If I were an Oklahoma State fan, I wouldn't be particularly happy about that situation, especially now that he's decommitted.

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/new...ondaily_launch

Very, very, very interesting to say the least.

Thomasson, McElvene, Davis, Ellingson... Feels like something is about to happen and soon.
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[UD's Recruting Takes a Hit] by remaining in the lesser conference. Until they move their choices will be greatly limited.

Yeah, I doubt we'll get anybody at all this year.
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See we landed 6'11'' Steve McElvene, another 'wiff" for AM. If Am keeps "wiffing' we could end up a perennial top 25 club.
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Archie with a couple of real solid gets.

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Congratulations to Archie and Staff

on a great week. Go Flyers!
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Vince Edwards to Purdue today. Not too surprising. Bess and/or Luther seem to be the most likely to pull the trigger for the Flyers next. I'd love to have either or both; Doug Harris' most recent article seemed to indicate UD would like a PF although I'm not sure how close we might be with any PFs at this time. Luther is t really a 4, from what I have read.
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Vince Edwards to Purdue today. Not too surprising. Bess and/or Luther seem to be the most likely to pull the trigger for the Flyers next. I'd love to have either or both; Doug Harris' most recent article seemed to indicate UD would like a PF although I'm not sure how close we might be with any PFs at this time. Luther is t really a 4, from what I have read.
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Wasn't sure if this was posted already, but Bess had an unofficial visit to UD yesterday. I hope the visit went well. Bess seems to be down to Dayton, Xavier, and Kansas State per 247sports. Verbalcommits still has Texas Tech and Toledo in the mix in addition to the other 3.

He already unofficially visited Xavier on August 29, and he has an official visit set up for Kansas State on October 10.

http://247sports.com/Player/Javon-Bess-31158

http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/javon-bess

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Per the verbalcommits Twitter feed, Michigan and Wisconsin were checking out Bess yesterday, that doesn't sound good for UD's chances with him.
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Per the verbalcommits Twitter feed, Michigan and Wisconsin were checking out Bess yesterday, that doesn't sound good for UD's chances with him.
You might be right but Archie has already shown he can convince a few of these guys to come to Dayton.
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Definitely seems like a strong possibility. It looks like Ryan Luther will be visiting Dayton Sept. 21-22. What's the story on him? I see that he has a twin brother, Colin, who has some offers of his own. Is Dayton looking at both of them or just Ryan?
Doug Harris' blog post (so free to read) on Luther's upcoming visit this weekend:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs...medium=twitter
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amazing that there is no video on Luther. Very interesting.
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John Beilein watches three-star guard Javon Bess

Bacari Alexander watched class of 2014 wing guard Javon Bess in open gym last week and Michigan head coach John Beilein was in attendance on Monday. Bess said he thought he played well in front of Michigan’s coach.

Later in the conversation, Beilein got down to brass tacks.

“He said that he’d let us know (about a possible visit), because they’re still recruiting Devin Booker and James Blackmon Jr. They’re going to see them,” Bess said. “He said in a week or so they’re going to call me and we’re going to set up a visit. If it comes to that, where I set up a visit, then I’ll have a scholarship when I get to Michigan. He said he waits for recruits to get to Michigan to offer them.”

For Bess, Michigan is one of the latest in a whirlwind of Big Ten schools suddenly vying for his services. However, he said he doesn’t take anything away from the Wolverines just because of their late arrival to his recruitment — after all, most schools going after him the hardest right now got in on the action later in the game.

“He said he knows that they’re late, but there were just some guys who they were on early, and then they didn’t really get a chance to see me play,” Bess said. “I’m not going to overlook them just because they were late (to recognize me). I’m not docking anybody points if they come late.”

Bess said Wisconsin is the latest to recruit him as he first heard from the Badgers on Sunday. A Wisconsin assistant was also at open gym on Monday. He holds offers from Kansas State, Dayton, Xavier and Texas Tech. He took a visit to Dayton last weekend and is hearing from Duquesne, St. Joe’s, Iowa, Cleveland State and Toledo.

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Scratch Brady Ellingson, the SG from WI--he narrowed his list and UD is no longer on it. He has a visit to Iowa upcoming:

http://verbalcommits.com/players/brady-ellingson
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