Recruiting

[Medford]

I would assume at this point, its pretty well decided if he'll play for his dad or not, its likely not a talent issue, more of an issue "do I want to play for my dad/does my dad want me to play for him" In cases like that, it goes beyond talent, but goes into a dynamic where a father may think its best for his son's development to get coaching from another ear; there may also be nepotism rules at Stanford that would prevent his son from attending school there.

Once other coaches start recruiting him, I'm guessing the awkardness goes away pretty quickly, you're going to know pretty quickly if he's just playing you and is going to his Dad's school all along or if he's realistically looking. I doubt Johnny Dawkins wants to put a fellow member of his faternity (ie coaches) in that situation, so I assume they're pretty straight up on the odds of his son attending Stanford.

[DallasFlyer]

Hadn't thought about a nepotism rule being in place. I was thinking more along the lines of Johnny pushing his son to explore his options, while "saving a spot" for his son without the necessity of having to actually use a scholarship. But I can definitely see why he would encourage his son to strike out on his own elsewhere.

If nothing else, Dayton will have both son and father's attention this week, and I think dad especially will have a better feel for Archie having coached against him. Hopefully, the takeaway for them both is that Archie is a heck of a coach and that Dayton has a lot of talent with unbelievable fan support.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Buckleyma While the iron is hot and THE University of Dayton is in the national limelight, we need to maximize our opportunity to talk to a top recruit. The Dallas News writes "Myles Turner, Euless Trinity, Sr. C, 6'11", Stats: The District 6-5A MVP averaged a double-double with 18.1 points and 12.2 rebounds. He also added 6.8 blocks and 3.5 assists per game. Did you know? Turner, a McDonald's All American, is the top uncommitted recruit in the nation. He is ranked second in the 2014 class by Scout and ESPN." So, Archie Miller, after the season is over, needs to catch the next flight to Dallas, Texas and talk to this guy. What's the worst that the guy can say? Take a risk! You never know until you ask.

I would think some of the intangibles that Dayton has to offer might be appealing to this player. And it sure doesn't hurt to try. And I would expect the whole Miller family would be interested in Myles---that includes Arizona. Additionally the entire sunbelt nation from SDSU to Florida would also be on Myles. Then there is the fact that we here in north Texas are subjected to intense recruiting by the Big 12, where basketball is gaining speed every year. There is intense local pressure to stay in Texas. Baylor and UT come to mind. Then there is Larry Brown and SMU.

I'm not saying don't try, but I would imagine one trip is all it would take to gage the interest. Rarely do you corner a top recruit in the 11th hour when you are new to the chase. Can't deny that he has had a bullseye on him for several years. Archie has done a creditable job of spending his time and resources. He has to match the probable investment with the probability of success, and frankly this target does not pass the litmus test.

[FLYER5]

I was just poring over the recruits not committed on 247's list of their top 447 players and there seems to be several nuggets out there who could be swayed toward the classic education brought to light by our Sweet Sixteen appearance. Just saying.. I. am. so. excited. I think I'm going to pee on myself..:no:

[DallasFlyer]

Go outside. It's pee on a tree week.

[jack72]

The problem with the Kennard's and Turner's of the world are they are potentially one and dones. If they stay two years, fine. Our program is not about one and dones. Sometimes freshman just do not adjust well no matter how good they are, because they are playing for a draft slot (themselves) not the team and program. Let's be partially real and get a couple of great tall four stars.

[TA111]

While Luke is a very nice player, he is not a one and done kid.

[MrFlyerFanatic]

The other problem with one and dones is all the extra media attention baggage that they bring to programs. Archie clearly isn't a fan of doing interviews. Image if there were constantly national media wanting to talk about one of his players and showing highlights on Sportscenter. Oh the humanity!

[UDBrian]

Originally Posted by TA111 While Luke is a very nice player, he is not a one and done kid.

I spoke with someone I work with about Luke today. He has known Luke's family for quite a while and said that Luke is a great guy, not big headed at all. He would be a program changer for UD

[Medford]

Originally Posted by FlightClub.33.32.15.1 @Corey_Albertson Luke Kennard just told me - "I think people will be surprised. I've been leaning this way for a while." Uh oh! He's gotta be talking about us right? Right? I really dont care where he goes, just hope it isnt Ohio State.

I hope that Luke is smart enough to not announce his college choice if said college choice is going to a school playing in the sweet 16 this week. His future team doesn't need the distraction (though I guess one could say, at a school like UD it would be a huge story, at a school like UK its just another day in the neighborhood) so I hope that has him pointing towards OSU or Duke, not Kentucky or Michigan (though as a fan, I'd clearly take the "distraction" of him announcing his commitment to UD).

I heard from someone not directly connected to Luke, but pretty well connected to coaching circles in college basketball that Ohio State was the favorite for Luke for a while now. That was back in either October or Nov. so things can/do change, but I'm guessing he announces to OSU tonight.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by jack72 The problem with the Kennard's and Turner's of the world are they are potentially one and dones. If they stay two years, fine. Our program is not about one and dones. Sometimes freshman just do not adjust well no matter how good they are, because they are playing for a draft slot (themselves) not the team and program. Let's be partially real and get a couple of great tall four stars.

For years, we just wanted to get one player in the NBA so it couldn't be used as a mark against in recruiting. Not saying Kennard is a one and done talent, but heck yes, Dayton would take a one and done guy. As many doors as a sweet 16 or better run would open, that would open more.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by FlightClub.33.32.15.1 @Corey_Albertson Luke Kennard just told me - "I think people will be surprised. I've been leaning this way for a while." Uh oh! He's gotta be talking about us right? Right? I really dont care where he goes, just hope it isnt Ohio State.

I'll be surprised if it's not Duke.

[Chris R]

I dont put much value in making the Sweet-16 in helping our recruiting. Will it hurt? No. But will it change the needle significantly enough to notice? Probably not.

SJU went to the Sweet-16 and Elite 8 under Martelli in the latter 90s and early 2000s. Richmond made the Sweet-16 two years ago and LaSalle last year.

All three programs are pretty much exactly what they were before that success: back to their own water level.

Recruiting comes down to relationships and contacts more than anything else.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Falcon7]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer I'll be surprised if it's not Duke.

^ I agree, but it would not shock me if it is Michigan or ................MSU.

edit: Now that I think about it, would he announce to go to a team that's still in the Tourney? That would be pretty odd... I would think.

So it's: Duke.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...................OSU.

[Windy City Flyer]

Originally Posted by Chris R Recruiting comes down to relationships and contacts more than anything else.

Archie has connections in the AAU circuit. He has the relationships and contacts. It might open a door or two and make it a little easier to get a campus visit. I do think UD shows a little better than St Joes and LaSalle

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[FlyerFanatic08]

prob is you gotta sustain the NCAA success. problem with st joes and la salle...1 yr wonders. gotta pull of a zags/X. get a few years of deep runs.

thats how you get the top level talent. gotta prove you're dancing and advancing on a regular basis.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by Chris R I dont put much value in making the Sweet-16 in helping our recruiting. Will it hurt? No. But will it change the needle significantly enough to notice? Probably not. SJU went to the Sweet-16 and Elite 8 under Martelli in the latter 90s and early 2000s. Richmond made the Sweet-16 two years ago and LaSalle last year. All three programs are pretty much exactly what they were before that success: back to their own water level. Recruiting comes down to relationships and contacts more than anything else.

To continue Chris' point. I have some connections in college basketball whether it be assistant coaches, directors of basketball ops ect. When Dayton comes up, they all say the same thing. The 1 thing holding Dayton back is on the court success. One coach has even said if UD made the dance 2-3 straight years that the "flood gates" could open as far as recruits. But Chris is right, 1 year might not make a huge difference, it may get us in the door, but we need to prove this wasn't a fluke so that getting in the door turns into signing top recruits.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Chris R I dont put much value in making the Sweet-16 in helping our recruiting. Will it hurt? No. But will it change the needle significantly enough to notice? Probably not. SJU went to the Sweet-16 and Elite 8 under Martelli in the latter 90s and early 2000s. Richmond made the Sweet-16 two years ago and LaSalle last year. All three programs are pretty much exactly what they were before that success: back to their own water level. Recruiting comes down to relationships and contacts more than anything else.

Yeah, but I think Archie is a better recruiter than he guys at the helm of those teams. So in theory, I think he could take advantage. VCU under Shaka and Butler before Stevens left stepped up the caliber of recruit they were bringing in after making their runs I think. Longer track record of success but Mark Few capitalized on success, and got better recruits, which enabled continued success...

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Yeah, but I think Archie is a better recruiter than he guys at the helm of those teams. So in theory, I think he could take advantage. VCU under Shaka and Butler before Stevens left stepped up the caliber of recruit they were bringing in after making their runs I think. Longer track record of success but Mark Few capitalized on success, and got better recruits, which enabled continued success...

I agree, but Butler and VCU were already trending up when their runs happened. Capel put VCU on the map, Grant improved on that, and Shaka made a run with Grants players. It was similar at Butler for Stevens. Stevens did build on prior success.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Stevens didn't built on prior success.

Stevens took Butler to 2 consecutive NCAA Finals...if that's not building on prior success, nothing is.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by rollo Stevens took Butler to 2 consecutive NCAA Finals...if that's not building on prior success, nothing is.

You are correct, that was a typo on my part. It should have said built on prior success.

[Sea Bass]

Jabir has pointed out that it started for him when they got their first recruit they were not supposed to get. He was referring to Ross in this case.

Maybe the extra attention will make the difference to one recruit and that starts the ball rolling

[oldfan]

Where making the sweet sixteen would help is with the recruit who is on the fence. I think of Ryan Luther, a recruit that got away to Pitt at the last minute. Obviously Luther had reasons for choosing Pitt once they decided to make a run at him but knowing that he was giving up on a Dayton team that got all the hype of making a sweet sixteen might have made his decision just that more difficult and brought him to Dayton. Would he make the same decision in April that he made in November, who knows?

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Jabir has pointed out that it started for him when they got their first recruit they were not supposed to get. He was referring to Ross in this case. Maybe the extra attention will make the difference to one recruit and that starts the ball rolling

I think we have done that with the men's team though, but it hasn't translated into further success. I would say Wright and Staten were players that we weren't supposed to get. Granted these two were local guys and Ross was not.

[Sea Bass]

Staten and wright were local kids and IMO that was the difference. Want to see it with kids not from Dayton.

[Falcon7]

It is Duke!

[NovaFlyer]

Originally Posted by Falcon7 It is Duke!

Good choice.

[Fair34]

Good luck, Duke has a lot of H.S. All Americans to beat out.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Falcon7 It is Duke!

I thought I was supposed to be surprised. Good luck with the meat grinder dude. Hope it works out.

[ruechalgrin]

Originally Posted by Chris R I dont put much value in making the Sweet-16 in helping our recruiting. Will it hurt? No. But will it change the needle significantly enough to notice? Probably not. SJU went to the Sweet-16 and Elite 8 under Martelli in the latter 90s and early 2000s. Richmond made the Sweet-16 two years ago and LaSalle last year. All three programs are pretty much exactly what they were before that success: back to their own water level. Recruiting comes down to relationships and contacts more than anything else.

I respectfully disagree Chris. St. Joe's, LaSalle, and Richmond do not have (1) a private plane taking them to all games like top 25 schools (this matters to kids); (2) top-notch facilities like top 25 schools; (3) a rabid fan base traveling extremely well that packs 12k+ at home games, 1500 students meeting the bus at 320am like top 25 programs; (4) graduation rates at 100% unlike top 25 programs :-); (5) 3 NBA players who graduated within the last 5 years like top 25 programs; (6) etc, etc.

We have been missing some NCAA success, I truly believe this COULD be the tipping point for the program. We still need 1-2 things: (1) make the NCAA 2 of the next 3 years and get at least 2 wins over those next 3 years; and (2) ideally a move up to the Big East.

But I think with Archie and all the great investment in the program, this Sweet 16 run could be the tipping point for the program.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Medford]

Can't really fault a kid for choosing Duke, good luck young man, if it doesn't work, perhaps they'll be room back home in the future.

[SeasonTicketFan]

I don't make too big of a deal about charter planes. These are regional jets that are run by sub contractors to Delta and other airlines. They are cramped and not comfortable for the players (just like commercial flights). They sell some seats to boosters to help cover costs. Probably the price of the charter is not much that much higher than commercial.

The advantages are they let the players stay in class longer and get back to class faster.

A few years ago, the regular charter was not available for the Ole Miss road game. An NBA charter jet was substituted. As I understand, it was plush.

I don't consider the charter service a perk for the players but rather a logistics improvement.

[Medford]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin I respectfully disagree Chris. St. Joe's, LaSalle, and Richmond do not have (1) a private plane taking them to all games like top 25 schools (this matters to kids); (2) top-notch facilities like top 25 schools; (3) a rabid fan base traveling extremely well that packs 12k+ at home games, 1500 students meeting the bus at 320am like top 25 programs; (4) graduation rates at 100% unlike top 25 programs :-); (5) 3 NBA players who graduated within the last 5 years like top 25 programs; (6) etc, etc. We have been missing some NCAA success, I truly believe this COULD be the tipping point for the program. We still need 1-2 things: (1) make the NCAA 2 of the next 3 years and get at least 2 wins over those next 3 years; and (2) ideally a move up to the Big East. But I think with Archie and all the great investment in the program, this Sweet 16 run could be the tipping point for the program.

I agree with most of that, its why VCU has been able to sustain their success compared to George Mason, VCU has a nice arena, they're building top notch practice facilities, they have a rabid fan base that travels well and allows them into the same ESPN type exempt tournaments that UD plays in, etc... LaSalle and Saint Joes don't have those same things, which makes it harder to duplicate success and impress the recruits who do show up on campus now that they "know your name".

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[singlet_of_truth]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan I don't consider the charter service a perk for the players but rather a logistics improvement.

If you don't consider a private plan a perk, you have never been on a private plane..... And it is also a massive logistics improvement.

[Medford]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan I don't make too big of a deal about charter planes. These are regional jets that are run by sub contractors to Delta and other airlines. They are cramped and not comfortable for the players (just like commercial flights). They sell some seats to boosters to help cover costs. Probably the price of the charter is not much that much higher than commercial. The advantages are they let the players stay in class longer and get back to class faster. A few years ago, the regular charter was not available for the Ole Miss road game. An NBA charter jet was substituted. As I understand, it was plush. I don't consider the charter service a perk for the players but rather a logistics improvement.

I've seen various collegiate athletic teams in various airports around the country, even if the accomadations are similar on their charter flights, its definently a perk over flying coach with a bunch of people with no connection to the school.

[SeasonTicketFan]

Originally Posted by singlet_of_truth If you don't consider a private plan a perk, you have never been on a private plane..... And it is also a massive logistics improvement.

I've been on a few private planes in my life, including the UD charter.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by singlet_of_truth If you don't consider a private plan a perk, you have never been on a private plane..... And it is also a massive logistics improvement.

A chartered plane is not like a private jet. It is basically the same as a commercial jet just without the strangers. They are not as nice as the perception makes them seem.

[swish61]

Just read on ESPN that Eron Harris is transferring from West Viginia. He wants to be closer to his home in Indianapolis.
He seems like he has become a pretty good scorer, maybe we could be in the mix?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...a-mountaineers

[priceg75]

Originally Posted by swish61 Just read on ESPN that Eron Harris is transferring from West Viginia. He wants to be closer to his home in Indianapolis. He seems like he has become a pretty good scorer, maybe we could be in the mix? http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...a-mountaineers

Would be surprised if he doesn't end up at IU, especially with them losing 2 players (1 to NBA, 1 to transfer) in the last week.

[DallasFlyer]

Mass defections at Butler too. So he's got options in Indiana.

[TerryK_67]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Mass defections at Butler too. So he's got options in Indiana.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...utler/6840167/

[DallasFlyer]

An update of sorts on recruit Aubrey Dawkins:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/0...well-from-son/

[flyers/avs]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer An update of sorts on recruit Aubrey Dawkins: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/0...well-from-son/

Dawkins is also being recruited by Pepperdine, Montana, Utah State and the College of Charleston.

Really?

[FlightClub.33.32.15.1]

Originally Posted by flyers/avs Dawkins is also being recruited by Pepperdine, Montana, Utah State and the College of Charleston. Really?

Kind of what I was thinking. A bit of an underwhelming list for the amount of times I've seen his name mentioned. Now I know players like BRob, CJ, and DMO wont overly recruited either, but it's still a cause for concern from me.

[DallasFlyer]

I like the sound of him a lot. Smart, versatile kid who has put on muscle and hit a growth spurt -- the prototypical late bloomer. Can play the 2 or 3, which would be ideal for Dayton as we'll need minutes behind both Sibert and Pierre next year. Being the son of a coach/ former high level player bodes well too.

From http://roundballrundownreport.com/

Aubrey Dawkins – 6’4 Shooting Guard – New Hampton Prep – Palo Alto, California 2014
The son of another coach, Aubrey Dawkins was a giant standout and breakout performer over the weekend in Providence. Sporting a quality physique and playmaking abilities at the tin, the one question mark surrounding the North Carolina native has always been in his shot making from behind the arc. The son of Stanford head coach, Johnny Dawkins, the younger Dawkins erased all questions surrounding his long range attempt and in his final outing in Rhode Island, hit on four 3’s and at one time, had scored 28 of his squad’s 52 points. The senior is a well-rounded individual with a high end intellect, both on and off the floor, and brings an added wealth to the APR structure that frightens so many college coaches surrounding a program’s cumulative GPA. The New Hampton Prep senior currently holds eight low and mid-major offers, though has recently been in touch with Boston College and VCU. Dawkins seems like a definite mid-major plus recruit, at the very least, and would really excel in an appropriate system in a conference like the Atlantic 10 next year.

Highlight Tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw4dUsWSjI0

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[CE80]

If Archie likes him. I like him.

[PJN68]

I disagree with Chris with regard to the impact a sweet 16 run can have on recruiting immediately. Certainly long term sustainability is the key but I believe we can get a couple really good recruits out of the next 4 we have available. Better recruits than we have had the opporunity to get over the past many years.

[Medford]

I'm in the camp that Dayton needs another guy capable of playing PG next season. Perhaps Darryl Davis is that guy, don't know, certainly Kyle Davis doesn't appear to be that (though I love what he brings to the team in terms of energy and defense, just strikes me as more of a Mark Lyons type of player, not a PG) but with Khari's knees it would be wise to have a 3rd option.

With that said, if you were a PG recruit, how hard would you consider UD knowing that Khari will be here for your first 2 seasons and Scoochie for your first 3. Khari is steady as a rock, Scooch looks like a future stud once he puts on some muscle and improves his shot, so you're looking at being a role player for a couple of years before potentially getting serious playing time. It would be hard to choose UD in that scenerio unless your other options were significantly lower than UD in prestige. I don't know if this is a possibility, but I wouldn't mind redshirting a PG if the rest afforded Khari's knees this offseason means he enters next season in good health.

Finally, with all that said, Khari was an overlooked recruit, he didn't have any big offers; he signed in the spring with little fan fair. Khari has certainly been more than solid for UD. He's not going to beat a bunch of guys off the dribble, but he'll make solid decisions, play you tough on defense when his knees allow and he'll knock down an open jumper.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by flyers/avs Dawkins is also being recruited by Pepperdine, Montana, Utah State and the College of Charleston. Really?

Kids with a name tend to get overrated if anything. I am not impressed with who is after him. He sounds like MAC level.

[Gilchrist's Autograph 2]

D Davis is legit PG option. Kyle can play some spare minutes there if needed. PG seems to be filled to me. Need a 6'7 to 6'8 PF pretty bad. That has to be first priority
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[DallasFlyer]

I think combo guard for this class (Darrell Davis), point guard for the year after.

For the incoming class would like to see a wing player / bigger guard added, and then possibly a transfer / or just can't miss best available impact player regardless of position.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by jack72 Kids with a name tend to get overrated if anything. I am not impressed with who is after him. He sounds like MAC level.

Not always. See Seth Curry. He wanted a big offer. Biggest he got was Davidson.

[steve]

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Absolutely..Priority #1-10......After watching the BIGS this year, and while we've seen some improvement, there's nothing that tells me that JR and, especially, Scott are going to improve drastically....I think we'll see an improved JR next year but after him it's Scott and a freshman.

Need a strong, physical 6'7"-6'9" kid next year off the JUCO ranks..

[John C.]

Any chance the big schools are staying away from Dawkins because his dad is a coach at a big school??????

[UDBrian]

There is no question that long term success gives you an advantage when recruiting. But, the staff has been in contact with a lot of recruits. Those who might have been considering UD could certainly raise UD from #3 to #1 on their list after reaching the sweet sixteen. And opposing coaches can't say "if you want to play in the tournament don't go to dayton"

With the coaching changes we could also pick someone up who decommits when their coach leaves.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by steve Absolutely..Priority #1-10......After watching the BIGS this year, and while we've seen some improvement, there's nothing that tells me that JR and, especially, Scott are going to improve drastically....I think we'll see an improved JR next year but after him it's Scott and a freshman. Need a strong, physical 6'7"-6'9" kid next year off the JUCO ranks..

I would wait to see who transfers before I look for a big from the JUCO ranks. Wasn't Thiago Cordeiro a high ranked JUCO player?

[steve]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 I would wait to see who transfers before I look for a big from the JUCO ranks. Wasn't Thiago Cordeiro a high ranked JUCO player?

Doesn't AM have 1-2 openings even without a transfer? Would rather have a JUCO experienced BIG player at this point in time unless you get a kid from D2/ NAIA that can also play immediately....

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by John C. Any chance the big schools are staying away from Dawkins because his dad is a coach at a big school??????

If history tells us anything, Bob Huggins will offer in the next 15 minutes.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 I would wait to see who transfers before I look for a big from the JUCO ranks. Wasn't Thiago Cordeiro a high ranked JUCO player?

Matt Derenbecker already transferred twice this week!

[FLYER5]

Michal Cekovsky, a 7'0 PF from Canarias Academy has shot up from the 35th best to the 6th best PF on 247 Sports composite. He has five offers with L'Ville being the favorite over the Terps. Umm, Sean has an offer in to him though from 'Zona..

[UDBrian]

This run has been a great advertisement that Archie will play you as a freshman if you earn that time. I think that this will help a lot with recruiting in the 2014 and 2015 classes. Archie and his assistants have been fighting an uphill battle in recruiting until now. The skids should have some grease on them now.

Sibert's comments about going to a basketball school instead of a football school have probably been heard by possible transfers.

[jack72]

Wonder what Aubrey Dawkins is thinking today?

[UDBrian]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 I would wait to see who transfers before I look for a big from the JUCO ranks. Wasn't Thiago Cordeiro a high ranked JUCO player?

I don't think Thiago was a juco, think he was signed from a high school near miami.

[Medford]

Thaigo was a JUCO, I think he racked up a lot of blocks in the 2nd division of Juco basketball.

[Falcon7]

Dude from Franklin may "decommit".

[UDBrian]

Originally Posted by Medford Thaigo was a JUCO, I think he racked up a lot of blocks in the 2nd division of Juco basketball.

Tks, I was confusing him with someone else!

[Sea Bass]

Originally Posted by Falcon7 Dude from Franklin may "decommit".

why settle for Duke?

[FlyingArrow]

Originally Posted by Buckleyma While the iron is hot and THE University of Dayton is in the national limelight, we need to maximize our opportunity to talk to a top recruit. The Dallas News writes "Myles Turner, Euless Trinity, Sr. C, 6'11", Stats: The District 6-5A MVP averaged a double-double with 18.1 points and 12.2 rebounds. He also added 6.8 blocks and 3.5 assists per game. Did you know? Turner, a McDonald's All American, is the top uncommitted recruit in the nation. He is ranked second in the 2014 class by Scout and ESPN." So, Archie Miller, after the season is over, needs to catch the next flight to Dallas, Texas and talk to this guy. What's the worst that the guy can say? Take a risk! You never know until you ask.

Does an Elite 8 move the needle here at all? Do we have any shot?

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow Does an Elite 8 move the needle here at all? Do we have any shot?

My question is why would AM need to catch a flight to Dallas when he's already going to be there?

[OSUdaytonFAN]

Heard Jaaron Simmons is going to transfer to UD

[anthonycharles]

If true, that would give us 3 PG's in two years, Khari as a Sr, Scooch as a Jr. and Simmons as a Soph. More importantly though, and again if true, is he any good?

[Medford]

UD recruited him out of HS a bit, but he was behind Scoochie on the PG wish list, perhaps a few others. It also seemed like Simmons was always waiting for something bigger. I only saw 1 Houston game this season, but he looked ok. I know they fired their coach; didn't know he was looking to transfer. He played about 11 min a game, shot 34% from the field, only 1-8 from the 3 point line (I remember him being a better shooter than that in HS, but things change as the competition gets better, a lot of frosh struggle early on, including Scoochie.) 37/28 assist/to ratio, 24/34 from the charity stripe. Wouldn't be a bad guy to bring in as a transfer, let him sit out a year add weight, improve his shot a bit, IIRC, he's pretty quick, not afraid to get into traffic, good handel, etc... Not sure how much he'd play his 1st season eligible here, but he'd be in line to get a lot of playing time his junior season and possibly start as a senior depending on who else Archie recruits.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by OSUdaytonFAN Heard Jaaron Simmons is going to transfer to UD

Is that the best we can do?

[maddog07]

So if we were not in the elite 8, would we be settling for Richard Simmons????
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[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by jack72 Is that the best we can do?

If it is true he is coming here, all I will say is if Archie wants him at UD, I want him at UD.

[lhsgolf19]

Originally Posted by OSUdaytonFAN Heard Jaaron Simmons is going to transfer to UD

That's interesting, where did you hear that?

[OSUdaytonFAN]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 That's interesting, where did you hear that?

My brother is friends with current Alter coach Eric Coulter and this is what he told him.

[lhsgolf19]

Originally Posted by OSUdaytonFAN My brother is friends with current Alter coach Eric Coulter and this is what he told him.

Double interesting ha... Thanks

[DallasFlyer]

Jaaron certainly didn't make much of an impact in his freshman year at Houston.

[KYFlyer]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Jaaron certainly didn't make much of an impact in his freshman year at Houston.

Yea, nothing compared to Sibert at OSU or Sanford at GT their freshman years

[Sea Bass]

Originally Posted by KYFlyer Yea, nothing compared to Sibert at OSU or Sanford at GT their freshman years

Houston isn't exactly Ohio State or Georgetown

[ruechalgrin]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan If it is true he is coming here, all I will say is if Archie wants him at UD, I want him at UD.

In Archie We Trust!

[OSU Flyer]

It seems like Simmons stock was higher earlier in his high school career. I remember reading some article that made it seem like he'd be a likely BCS level guy

[UDBrian]

Archie and company were right on sibert and sanford. I'll trust them

[FLYER5]

Oh, absolutely. I'll greet the news when it's more iron-clad, though.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by OSUdaytonFAN My brother is friends with current Alter coach Eric Coulter and this is what he told him.

What more proof do we need?

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by OSUdaytonFAN Heard Jaaron Simmons is going to transfer to UD

Props to OSUdaytonFan. Everything but the "to UD" part confirmed so far...

https://twitter.com/FlyerHoops/statu...08502849232896

[Medford]

That would pretty much rule out Lewis. I don't know how the 2 compare specifically, but Simmons carried Alter on his back his senior season, he knows what he's walking into, 1 year off, 1 year with 2 PGs ahead of him on the roster, then 2 years with only Scoochie to share minutes with. Hopefully he also knows what he has to work on. I always found it interesting when Sibert discussed how he realized he needed to work on his shot, so he set out to do just that during his season off, and he steps right in hitting 3 pointers at a great clip.

[Sea Bass]

team could IMO use a SG/SF type and a PF.

With Davis coming in and Price and Smith already here another PG is WAY down the list.

[priceg75]

I guess I would also give Archie the benefit of the doubt, but it's not like every recruit has been a home run. I don't think I need to name names, but Houston was a bad team in the AAC this year, and he wasn't good enough to play much on that team. If he's going to transfer back to the area, I would think it would be to Miami or NKU or something.

But I guess we'll see.

[DallasFlyer]

Some guys out there that Dayton may be looking at. I'm no expert and haven't evaluated much, but here is how I'd rank them in terms of preference.

1) Marial Shayok. Extremely versatile like DMO. 6'6" and I have seen him projected as a 2, a 3, and a 4 by different evaluators. Versatile guy who stuffs a stat sheet in every category. I believe Pierre was ranked the 6th best Canadian prospect in his class. For comparison, Shayok is viewed as the 3rd best Canadian in the 2014 class. Getting him keeps the pipeline going to a talent pool that is really emerging. Dayton recruited at one point, and he's the son of former UD player Makor Shayok. He's a Marquette commit, but has let it be known that he's leaning towards getting out of his release after Buzz Williams left him high and dry. Perfect roster fit. His versatility allows Dayton to bank or use the last scholarship for best available talent regardless of position. 4 years of eligibility.

2) Aubrey Dawkins. He can play the 2. He can play the 3. He can play next year. Son of a coach's kid, very smart. 4 years of eligibility.

3) Eron Harris. A priority recruit who opted to play for Huggins at WVU. I like using one of our ships on an upperclassman transfer who is a great scorer knowing we have one more year of Sibert. Tough competition for him. 2 years of eligibility.

4) Nolan Cressler. Cornell transfer who scored at will against big time programs. Dayton has reached out to him. Similar to Eron, lots of BCS programs after him hard. 2 years of eligibility.

5) Tyler Harris. Special talent. You just make room for him even if not a position of need. 2 years of eligibility.

6) Ian Chiles. I put him on the list because he's a 5th year transfer, 1 year of immediate eligibility. Averaged about 16/game for a dreadful IUPUI team. A guard who is looking to play up a level. Grew up in Louisville so I think Dayton would appeal to him. And I think he could give us some scoring punch on the bench to replace Vee Sanford's instant offense.

7) Jaaron Simmons. I'm not so sure we need him. 3 years of eligibility is a plus. I can see it but think it might be best to use scholly at another position unless it is a McDonald's All American talent (i.e. Tyler Harris)

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Some guys out there that Dayton may be looking at. I'm no expert and haven't evaluated much, but here is how I'd rank them in terms of preference. 1) Marial Shayok. Extremely versatile like DMO. 6'6" and I have seen him projected as a 2, a 3, and a 4 by different evaluators. Versatile guy who stuffs a stat sheet in every category. I believe Pierre was ranked the 6th best Canadian prospect in his class. For comparison, Shayok is viewed as the 3rd best Canadian in the 2014 class. Getting him keeps the pipeline going to a talent pool that is really emerging. Dayton recruited at one point, and he's the son of former UD player Makor Shayok. He's a Marquette commit, but has let it be known that he's leaning towards getting out of his release after Buzz Williams left him high and dry. Perfect roster fit. His versatility allows Dayton to bank or use the last scholarship for best available talent regardless of position. 4 years of eligibility. 2) Aubrey Dawkins. He can play the 2. He can play the 3. He can play next year. Son of a coach's kid, very smart. 4 years of eligibility. 3) Eron Harris. A priority recruit who opted to play for Huggins at WVU. I like using one of our ships on an upperclassman transfer who is a great scorer knowing we have one more year of Sibert. Tough competition for him. 2 years of eligibility. 4) Nolan Cressler. Cornell transfer who scored at will against big time programs. Dayton has reached out to him. Similar to Eron, lots of BCS programs after him hard. 2 years of eligibility. 5) Tyler Harris. Special talent. You just make room for him even if not a position of need. 2 years of eligibility. 6) Ian Chiles. I put him on the list because he's a 5th year transfer, 1 year of immediate eligibility. Averaged about 16/game for a dreadful IUPUI team. A guard who is looking to play up a level. Grew up in Louisville so I think Dayton would appeal to him. And I think he could give us some scoring punch on the bench to replace Vee Sanford's instant offense. 7) Jaaron Simmons. I'm not so sure we need him. 3 years of eligibility is a plus. I can see it but think it might be best to use scholly at another position unless it is a McDonald's All American talent (i.e. Tyler Harris)

I totally disagree. I know this is the huge debate when you recruit/draft on need or top player on the board. With this team, it just seems that there are specific needs at the SG/SF and PF spots that would trump taking the best player available, especially since that would put him in Scoochie's class. Losing two PG's in a year would be tough. I do agree with you having Shayok number 1. I think he would be a huge get and fill a major need at the wing.

[Medford]

I thought Eron Harris had 3 years of eligibility left; I thought he was a frosh. Am I remembering wrong?

[rollo]

Season............pts......rbs.........3's%....... ..FT%

2012-13...........9.8......2.3.......35.2%.....77.2%
2013-14..........17.2.....3.5........42.2%....85.6%

1 problem: Huggins gave him the green light to shoot whenever and wherever he was...he took 317 shots last season which is almost 100 more than our leading shot taker, Sibert. Archie isn't likely to let someone shoot whenever they want and Eron might not blend in with the system.

I'd still take him!

[priceg75]

If he made 42% on 3's by taking shots whenever he wanted, I'd love to see that number with some discipline.

[Medford]

The king with the lowdown, guess I was wrong, Eron had been there 2 seasons. the problem isn't the number of shots a player takes, its how effiecient he is with those shots, seems like he'd be pretty efficient at those 3 point and free throw clips, I'm sure there are stats somewhere to back that up or not.

I'd definently take Eron harris, he said he wanted to get closer to his little brother. I don't know if there is a medical issue there, or just wants to be closer to home. Taking it at face value, UD is an easier trip back to Indy than WVU, but so is Butler, IU and Purdue. I would think Butler would be on his radar, amongst others.

[UDBrian]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Some guys out there that Dayton may be looking at. I'm no expert and haven't evaluated much, but here is how I'd rank them in terms of preference.

awesome list thanks

we could really use a power forward next year but if we can't get a good one then lets get best available

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 I totally disagree. I know this is the huge debate when you recruit/draft on need or top player on the board. With this team, it just seems that there are specific needs at the SG/SF and PF spots that would trump taking the best player available, especially since that would put him in Scoochie's class. Losing two PG's in a year would be tough. I do agree with you having Shayok number 1. I think he would be a huge get and fill a major need at the wing.

I agree there is a specific need at SG/SF and that should be the top priority in looking at guys who are out there requiring a scholarship next season. But if you can get a wing with one scholly, I do not think PF is a need that has to be addressed this year with the other.

Honestly, we have four guys on the roster who are actually 4s in Jalen, Pollard, Scott, and Gavrilovic not counting Pierre who could play there and I won't count him because we're so thin at the 3. Scott and Gavrilovic are going to play more as 5s with McElvane but I'm alright with 5 guys to man the 4 and 5.

What I'm not okay with is having just one guy (Pierre) who is really a 3. Sibert or Pollard could play for a few minutes there a game, but that's the hole in the roster right now. Pierre's back up.

Give me that and I'm okay with just about any other use or non-use of the last scholarship.

[Medford]

I have no idea if there are legs to the rumor that Gavs will transfer, but on average, each team losses 1 kid to transferring out each season, so it wouldn't be a surprise if someone transferred out from the current roster. If that is the case, Archie probably already knows, so we could be talking about 3 open scholarships.

[Sea Bass]

Originally Posted by Medford I have no idea if there are legs to the rumor that Gavs will transfers.

didn't know there was a rumor but I guess there is one now.