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That was painful. I should probably be more worried about Richmond, but I just don't think they're the same team they were back in January...
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Mack is a ***hole. The PR battle!?!?! Big East is gutting every benefit of the doubt. Right now 6 A-10 teams are ahead of Xavier much less Georgetown in getting to the NCAA.
Would it be Georgetown's losses to #221 at a neutral court or their losses to #136 home and away. Or their 3-7 away record. Or their best away win at #145 Depaul (with losses to #2, 7, 44, 52, 62, 72 away).
Mack = classless due to Evansville inbounds, quote here, etc., etc.
You coached in both leagues and I watched a bunch of games from both and Dayton would be no lower than #3 in the BE this year behind only Villanova and Creighton :-)
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I think Richmond is a trap game.
Mooney will have them ready. They have not given up nor will they concede anything. He will have a good plan of attack, and he will make adjustments as needed during the game. Yes, Richmond is minus two important players, but when they need it they always seem to have some little-used second stringer come out of nowhere to have a big game. They came within a whisker of beating VCU tonight. That should tell you we are in for a war.
I don't want to sound overly dramatic, but the season rides on Saturday's game. Win the game and in all likelihood we're very close to dancing. Get upset and we are right back on the bubble needing a minimum of 2-3 wins in Brooklyn. And we'll be giving ammunition to the eye test crowd they can use against us in the Committee room.
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Mack is just an envious penis.
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Originally Posted by bobber
I think Richmond is a trap game.
Mooney will have them ready. They have not given up nor will they concede anything. He will have a good plan of attack, and he will make adjustments as needed during the game. Yes, Richmond is minus two important players, but when they need it they always seem to have some little-used second stringer come out of nowhere to have a big game. They came within a whisker of beating VCU tonight. That should tell you we are in for a war.
I don't want to sound overly dramatic, but the season rides on Saturday's game. Win the game and in all likelihood we're very close to dancing. Get upset and we are right back on the bubble needing a minimum of 2-3 wins in Brooklyn. And we'll be giving ammunition to the eye test crowd they can use against us in the Committee room.
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Unfortunately, I agree. Win Richmond and I think we are in even with a loss in 1st round. Our 3-2 top 25; 4-5 top 50; 10-6 top 100 (come on Lasalle & Bonnies, sneak back in top 100); and 9-5 road/neutral. We could withstand a 4th bad loss.
But we lose to Richmond and round 1 becomes a must win.
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Originally Posted by bobber
I think Richmond is a trap game.
Mooney will have them ready. They have not given up nor will they concede anything. He will have a good plan of attack, and he will make adjustments as needed during the game. Yes, Richmond is minus two important players, but when they need it they always seem to have some little-used second stringer come out of nowhere to have a big game. They came within a whisker of beating VCU tonight. That should tell you we are in for a war.
I don't want to sound overly dramatic, but the season rides on Saturday's game. Win the game and in all likelihood we're very close to dancing. Get upset and we are right back on the bubble needing a minimum of 2-3 wins in Brooklyn. And we'll be giving ammunition to the eye test crowd they can use against us in the Committee room.
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Agreed that it is a huge game, and Mooney's team is always well-disciplined and ready to play, but I just don't think they have the horses. They looked bad tonight (and recently in general). Also, the Flyers would have to be completely foolish to overlook this game: It's Senior Night and the Flyers know very well what they are playing for on Saturday night. Thus, I don't see it as a trap game. If we lose it's because we choked...
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Originally Posted by Fudd
X falls again. They must be darn close to an NIT appearance.
But look what a desperate Mack is saying:
Riiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhtttt.............Time to lash out at a league with more success. There are 6 A10 teams higher in the RPI than X right now Chris. That should be a reality check.
Is Georgetown even in the conversation this year?
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With an RPI of 54 as of Thursday AM? Only if they win out.
And yes, X had an RPI of 45 before their loss to 'Nova in the Floor Mat Fieldhouse tonight. Might drop to 46 or 47, depending on results from other games.
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I really hope the NCAA committee takes the time to think about what a bonus it would be to college hoops if they dropped the bubble teams that refuse to schedule away games in the OOC and try to make all their merits by their in conference performance. The early season games would be so much more interesting if they mixed it up a little more and the "top" teams ventured away from the safety of their home courts and pre-season tournaments.
Xavier would be the first example I would make, and G-town, what have they done lately away from home?
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"Maybe we haven’t won the PR battle but I do know this: I coached in the A-10. And I coach in the Big East now," Mack said.
"And I’m telling you right now, Georgetown would be a Top 2 or 3 team in the Atlantic 10. And it’s not even close," Mack said.
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Lets assume everything he says is true. Then its all the more reason to remain in the A10 if our goal is to get to the NCAA tournament. He just confirmed it for us.
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A-10 results:
VCU (23-7) comes back from a second half deficit, holds on for a win at Richmond (18-12) 56-50.
George Mason (11-18) wins at La Salle (14-15), 59-57.
Out of conference opponents:
Delaware State (9-20) gets thumped at MD Eastern Shore (6-23), 70-84.
USC (11-19) picks up their second conference win of the season at Washington State (9-20), 79-68.
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Mack is dumber than I thought. Great timing, Chris. Mouthing off about Dayton's conference when you are heading to the U.D. Arena on Saturday for your wife's Hall of Fame induction. What a selfish and stupid act on your part.
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I might add that Saturday is a great opportunity for the UD fans to show the Mack family what "class" is about since obviously _avier's coach has none. Let's give Christi HESTER a rousing round of applause.
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Originally Posted by Fudd
X falls again. They must be darn close to an NIT appearance.
But look what a desperate Mack is saying:
Riiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhtttt.............Time to lash out at a league with more success. There are 6 A10 teams higher in the RPI than X right now Chris. That should be a reality check.
Is Georgetown even in the conversation this year?
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Real nice way to warm up the crowd before his wife gets inducted into UD HOF on Saturday.
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Originally Posted by jumpin' joe
I might add that Saturday is a great opportunity for the UD fans to show the Mack family what "class" is about since obviously _avier's coach has none. Let's give Christi HESTER a rousing round of applause.
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This deserves its own thread. I thought about this yesterday. I would hope that no one boos one of the all time great women's basketball players just because her last name is Mack.
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Three things:
1. Mack is reaching BIGTIME. He is clearly afraid that X is NOT going to make the tournament (which he should be afraid), so he is trying to make the BE out to be a better conference than it actually is.
2. Amazing how the X fans cherry pick stats to support their argument. For example, one fan points out that GTown beat VCU but failed to mention that GW (4th best team in the A-10) beat Creighton (2nd best team in the BE) and/or that VCU also beat ACC champ Virginia AT Virginia. Does that mean the BE is also better than the ACC since GTown beat VCU who beat VA? Like I said, no basis for the argument.
3. For a program that thinks it is leaps and bounds better than "UDUMP", they sure do talk about UD an awful lot. Jealousy is the greatest form of flattery!!
So glad that UD didn't have X on the schedule. Wouldn't want to hurt the RPI!!
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So glad that UD didn't have X on the schedule. Wouldn't want to hurt the RPI!!
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Look man, I hate them too, but it would've been nice to have that extra top 50 win when they visited the Arena.
Now, Butler, Temple, and Charlotte on the other hand... they definitely would've been RPI drags this year.
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If Mack was comfortable with x's tourney status, do you think he'd be talking? Me either.
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Mack is, indeed, panicking.
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Originally Posted by dnutz77
Three things:
1. Mack is reaching BIGTIME. He is clearly afraid that X is NOT going to make the tournament (which he should be afraid), so he is trying to make the BE out to be a better conference than it actually is.
2. Amazing how the X fans cherry pick stats to support their argument. For example, one fan points out that GTown beat VCU but failed to mention that GW (4th best team in the A-10) beat Creighton (2nd best team in the BE) and/or that VCU also beat ACC champ Virginia AT Virginia. Does that mean the BE is also better than the ACC since GTown beat VCU who beat VA? Like I said, no basis for the argument.
3. For a program that thinks it is leaps and bounds better than "UDUMP", they sure do talk about UD an awful lot. Jealousy is the greatest form of flattery!!
So glad that UD didn't have X on the schedule. Wouldn't want to hurt the RPI!!
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I am DEFINITELY picking up a distinct attitude lately from the X fans that I know. In the past, when UD wasn't doing so well, the attitude was always: "hey, let's talk about UD/let's rip UD/UD sucks/how's is UD doing this year???"
Now, they don't want to talk about UD so much/not at all.
It's funny how things like that change.
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Originally Posted by flyerfanatic86
If Mack was comfortable with x's tourney status, do you think he'd be talking? Me either.
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Mack doesn't have to worry; they are a shoe in for the post season....NIT
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Its interesting the things coaches say that give a hint into their program and where it stands.
As noted Chris Macks comments showing fear of not getting into the NCAA two years in a row.
And Jim Crews comment "the basketball season is too loooong" in an interview after his 2nd loss. An admission his team has peaked, perhaps, which showed in the closing minutes of the UD game. And now they travel to UMass on Saturday.
Thought it was interesting that an X fan pointed out about Mack complaining about playing 4 games in 10 days....and the fan pointed out; well you had a week to prepare for Seton Hall and lost, so whats is your point!
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4 games in 10 days is equivalent to playing a Sunday afternoon TV game, then a Wednesday evening game, followed up by a saturday game, then a Tuesday evening TV game.
Really doesn't sound all that unusual when you put it in those terms. I'm kind of hoping UD gets to play 4 games in 4 days next week.
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That was entertaining.
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Some of the most entertaining reading ever. You could see this sloppy defense of the NBE by its overblown members coming from a mile away this season. There are no longer the big names to prop up the league on selection Sunday. Their new beloved 10 team league is going to do more to destroy some of its members profiles than it will do to build others. Every league game has a winner and a loser. The ones that lose a lot are going to sink slowly. They will be well-paid losers.
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Originally Posted by Fudd
Some of the most entertaining reading ever. You could see this sloppy defense of the NBE by its overblown members coming from a mile away this season. There are no longer the big names to prop up the league on selection Sunday. Their new beloved 10 team league is going to do more to destroy some of its members profiles than it will do to build others. Every league game has a winner and a loser. The ones that lose a lot are going to sink slowly. They will be well-paid losers.
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What I find really amusing is the comments along the lines of ...the Big East is and always was better than the A10. Do they not realize that Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, UC, Lville are no longer part of the Big East and that Butler and X were part of the A10?
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Originally Posted by NorthwestFlyer
I really hope the NCAA committee takes the time to think about what a bonus it would be to college hoops if they dropped the bubble teams that refuse to schedule away games in the OOC and try to make all their merits by their in conference performance. The early season games would be so much more interesting if they mixed it up a little more and the "top" teams ventured away from the safety of their home courts and pre-season tournaments.
Xavier would be the first example I would make, and G-town, what have they done lately away from home?
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Well, the committee claims it does take that into consideration. The test case will be Pitt. They played a horrendous OOC without a single road game. I am hoping they don't get an invite.
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The shockers were in a tight one in their first game of the MVC tournament, but eventually pushed it out to 10 at half and now up 13 or so early in the 2nd. All bubble teams want/need the shockers to win Arch Madness.
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Xavier finished SEVENTH in the A-10 last year and it looks like they will finish 3rd in the Big East. Do the math, Mack.
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
Xavier finished SEVENTH in the A-10 last year and it looks like they will finish 3rd in the Big East. Do the math, Mack.
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the math says he is nothing special as a coach, and that calculation is hard to get away from.
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How many consecutive non-NCAA years will X tolerate?
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How many consecutive non-NCAA years will X tolerate?
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Don' know but X recruits at a high enough level that talent alone gets them there in many years. No doubt Sean Miller developed into a great coach after initially struggling(first year and a half) at X.
IMO the catch-22 of moving to the NBE from the A-10 is that it is easier to get to the NCAA on talent in the A10 than in the NBE.
X has a ton of talent on this team. They have a POY candidate in Christon. They have a pair of big and physical guys in Stainbrook and Philmore that can protect the rim and score in the paint. They have guys that can shoot it in Martin, Farr, Davis and Davis. They have talented and athletic freshmen in Randolph and Reynolds. From a talent perspective, IMO, they are going to be near the top of NBE for the forseeable future, the main job of the coach is not to screw it up.
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Flyer Guy how you could possibly say Richmond does not have the horses simply boggles my mind when they only lost to VCU by a few points????????????????????
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Don' know but X recruits at a high enough level that talent alone gets them there in many years. No doubt Sean Miller developed into a great coach after initially struggling(first year and a half) at X.
IMO the catch-22 of moving to the NBE from the A-10 is that it is easier to get to the NCAA on talent in the A10 than in the NBE.
X has a ton of talent on this team. They have a POY candidate in Christon. They have a pair of big and physical guys in Stainbrook and Philmore that can protect the rim and score in the paint. They have guys that can shoot it in Martin, Farr, Davis and Davis. They have talented and athletic freshmen in Randolph and Reynolds. From a talent perspective, IMO, they are going to be near the top of NBE for the forseeable future, the main job of the coach is not to screw it up.
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The only way it would be easier is if you win the conference tourney. Other than that you still need to build the resume with good wins in and out of conference.
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Flyer Guy how you could possibly say Richmond does not have the horses simply boggles my mind when they only lost to VCU by a few points????????????????????
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They are down two players and they were at home against VCU.
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Flyer Guy how you could possibly say Richmond does not have the horses simply boggles my mind when they only lost to VCU by a few points????????????????????
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They also just scored 43 total points in a 23 point loss to Rhode Island and they lost to George Mason.
Did you see the VCU game? VCU did the bare minimum to win. VCU is also not a particularly great team away from home, and this was a huge Senior Night rivalry game for Richmond. Ironically, though, Richmond does not even currently have any active Seniors on the roster anymore.
I'm not generally a betting man, but this is the one game of the year I would lay down some coin on the Flyers...
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In other action, Illinois St had a lead late w/ like 4 minutes to go, but found a way to lose by 5 and end their season. I don't recall the exact amount of points they had w/ 4 min and change to go, but its not too much of a difference (if any) than their final total.
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A bad Butler team won at DePaul tonight 79-46. Bulldogs led by 20 at the half. Have to think Oliver will be looking for a job after next week.
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I read on Twitter today (forget which college basketball guru tweeted it) but it stated Depaul is saying Oliver will be back next year. We'll see.
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Can someone post a reply, or start a new thread, pointing out games of interest and who we should be rooting for today?
I remember these from past seasons, and they sure make watching games throughout the day more fun when you know who is on the bubble, and what results help UD the most.
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Originally Posted by StonemillFlyer
Can someone post a reply, or start a new thread, pointing out games of interest and who we should be rooting for today?
I remember these from past seasons, and they sure make watching games throughout the day more fun when you know who is on the bubble, and what results help UD the most.
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Start with Marq over SJU, Vill over Gtown, Creighton over Prov.
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I read on Twitter today (forget which college basketball guru tweeted it) but it stated Depaul is saying Oliver will be back next year. We'll see.
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I could be wrong, but I thought I read that he still has 2 years left on his contract, and so some think that the buyout amount is too big for DePaul to swallow. Either that, or they still think he will get things turned around. Hopefully he gets things back on track next year.
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I could be wrong, but I thought I read that he still has 2 years left on his contract, and so some think that the buyout amount is too big for DePaul to swallow. Hopefully he gets things back on track next year.
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he lost his best player too. due to quitting. OP should have stayed here, it was perfect and he recruited the type of hardworking overachievers that make this kind of program thrive. We can sniff out the Perryman's and Waleskowski's. We'll never get the 5 star guys
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FWIW, Wikipedia is saying that DePaul gave OP a 7 year deal on April 6, 2010, so it looks like he actually has 3 years left on his deal.
Wow, a 7 year deal seems like a really long contract IMO. And I think he is earning $2 mil/year.
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Marquette Dances!!!!!!!!!
OK, that was sarcasm. But Stephen Bardo during the game said he can't see how a conference as strong as the NBE won't get four teams in the tournament "if the A-10 can get four."
Then we have G'town which is on its way to its 13th loss this afternoon. Likely they'll be one of the last four in.
They're a Power Conference. They're counting on the Eye Testers to get them in when all else fails.
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Marquette Dances!!!!!!!!!
OK, that was sarcasm. But Stephen Bardo during the game said he can't see how a conference as strong as the NBE won't get four teams in the tournament "if the A-10 can get four."
Then we have G'town which is on its way to its 13th loss this afternoon. Likely they'll be one of the last four in.
They're a Power Conference. They're counting on the Eye Testers to get them in when all else fails.
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The Big East forgets their reputation left with UConn, Louisville, Pitt, Cincy, Syracuse, and West Virginia, Miami and others before them.
Georgetown, Marquette, Seton Hall, Providence, St Johns and DePaul weren't what made the Big East a major conference. Even Villanova, who has been very good recently, had it's down years.
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Richmond may not have the horses after losing Lindsay and Williams, but they will still play tough. I know Lindsay is injured, but somehow missed why Williams quit. I looked on spidernation.com, but didn't see anything specific. I'm sure one of you knows what happened.
Evidently we are 9 1/2 pt favorites tonight. Gotta live up to that line!
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Richmond may not have the horses after losing Lindsay and Williams, but they will still play tough. I know Lindsay is injured, but somehow missed why Williams quit. I looked on spidernation.com, but didn't see anything specific. I'm sure one of you knows what happened.
Evidently we are 9 1/2 pt favorites tonight. Gotta live up to that line!
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Long and short of it was playing time. Williams used to be a force who turned into a role player. had to be something else underlying
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Generally good news. 'Nova blasting G'town. In the category of RPI boost, Ole Miss, Iona, Winthrop, Baylor, & Ga Tech are all winners today. Only real bad news was WVa won against #8 Kansas.
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Oklahoma St. is 8th in the Big 12 and finished under .500 in league play (8-10). No way they get in with that resume ... right??
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I'm not so sure...I don't know what their resume numbers look like, but their rpi is not bad at around 43 now...solid sos of 24...I can see them getting in with only 1 b12 tourney win...they've got the 6th best rpi in the b12.
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I guess its not as uncommon as I thought, but still fairly rare. Most recent case was UConn in 2012 with a 8-10 record in Big East play (20-13 overall). They also won 2 games in Big East tourney that year, but lost in quarterfinals.
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Just back from the Stanford versus Utah game -- Utah should have won which would have put Dayton ahead of Stanford.
I have seen Dayton live in Maui and over the holidays and seen a number of Stanford games live as well. If there were a true eye-test between Dayton and Stanford, IMHO Dayton wins hands-down. I don't believe in the eye-test because it is really a BCS on the front of the jersey test. BTW, we have a better computer profile than Stanford so I don't know how they are safe and we are not ...
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I'm not so sure...I don't know what their resume numbers look like, but their rpi is not bad at around 43 now...solid sos of 24...I can see them getting in with only 1 b12 tourney win...they've got the 6th best rpi in the b12.
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Plus they have the 3 games they lost without Marcus Smart. He was so nice in his apology, taking full responsibility for his actions pushing that fan. I can see the committee considering that.
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Oregon beats AZ...not good
Tennessee crushes Mizzou...push
Clemson/Pitt tied...c'mon BB & the Tigers
ASU down by 11 to OrSt...always liked Beavers
UGa leading LSU by 11...go Dawgs
Cyclones take out Okie State & Slim Pickens (or whatever his name is)...very good
Bama carves Arkansas into bacon...excellent
Marquette Golden Chickens beaten by St Johns Red Palms...would've been better for us if MU had won
In other games...
Ole Miss beats Vandy in an NIT play-in game...good for us
BG & GT beat VT in an ACC cellar dweller duel...good for us & BG
Butler crushes Seton Hall in a battle of teams that would be at the top of the A-10 in Chris Mack's Bizzaro world
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Unlucky ... Stanford survives by 1 versus Utah
Pitt hits a shot with .1 seconds left to go to OT and wins.
GW hangs on to beat Fordham 70-67.
Seriously, 3 point difference in regular time and Pitt done, Stanford on the ropes, and we had a shot at a 4 seed :-(
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Arkansas lost to 'Bama so bad loss to 100+. Good for us as well.
They are now 64 in RPI
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After tonight's win I can breathe pretty easily, this thread matters a WHOLE lot less now. Even if we choke in the first round I would still feel pretty confident that we are in regardless of other bubble teams. But with the way this team is playing I have no doubt this team will not only win the first round game but maybe even make a run to the semi's of the finals! Just one more W and we can erase any doubts, we're dancing
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Originally Posted by UDFlyer23
After tonight's win I can breathe pretty easily, this thread matters a WHOLE lot less now. Even if we choke in the first round I would still feel pretty confident that we are in regardless of other bubble teams. But with the way this team is playing I have no doubt this team will not only win the first round game but maybe even make a run to the semi's of the finals! Just one more W and we can erase any doubts, we're dancing
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If we were in a BCS conference, we are in even with a loss in the 1st round, but I would be real nervous with losing in the 1st round.
Let's win the 1st round -- GM, Fordham, and Rhode Island (think they lose the tie-breaker to Duquesne so they are #11) will not be easy. We don't want to have 4 sub-100 losses.
Really rather be the #5 seed as GM or Fordham would have had to play the night before, but none of these teams are an easy out.
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Flyer Guy how you could possibly say Richmond does not have the horses simply boggles my mind when they only lost to VCU by a few points????????????????????
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Finally they won a game. Dayton is up to 40 in the RPI and right behind Iowa, who is nationally ranked in both polls...
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Gonzaga down 6 at half to Santa Clara. We need them to win -- better for us and WCC would likely steal a bid if Gonzaga loses (particularly if BYU does not win tourney).
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Gonzaga has no major wins to its credit. There's a chance that Gonzaga bursts its own bubble. We're actually ahead of them on the Dance Card, though not in anyone else's ratings it seems.
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Gonzaga down 6 at half to Santa Clara. We need them to win -- better for us and WCC would likely steal a bid if Gonzaga loses (particularly if BYU does not win tourney).
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Believe it or not, they might need to win this game not only for us, but for themselves. They only have one Top 50 win (vs. BYU at home - whoopie doo) and they didn't do much at all on the road. They lost to San Diego (152 in RPI) and Portland (180). A first round loss to Santa Clara (210 in RPI) would be terrible for them...
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Call me a pessimist, but I feel we need two wins in the A-10 to truly feel secure. There's a lot of company around us from BCS conferences. A Nebraska win vs. Wisconsin all but guarantees them a spot. Tennessee or Mizzou (or both) going on a tear in the SEC tourney could lock up bids for them. Pitt helped their case today at Clemson & could solidify their position with a win or two in the ACC tourney. Point being, there's little margin for error as the 6th team from the A-10.
Win one, and I think it's even money whether we get in. Flame out in the first round & we'll have home field advantage throughout the NIT.
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Originally Posted by Viperstick
Call me a pessimist, but I feel we need two wins in the A-10 to truly feel secure. There's a lot of company around us from BCS conferences. A Nebraska win vs. Wisconsin all but guarantees them a spot. Tennessee or Mizzou (or both) going on a tear in the SEC tourney could lock up bids for them. Pitt helped their case today at Clemson & could solidify their position with a win or two in the ACC tourney. Point being, there's little margin for error as the 6th team from the A-10.
Win one, and I think it's even money whether we get in. Flame out in the first round & we'll have home field advantage throughout the NIT.
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Disagree. We are *safely* in right now if the season ended today. One more bad loss would drop us back to the cutline - bubble area. But one more win followed by a loss to a top 50 team would leave us still in. Would be shocked if we win one and are left out. It would take a perfect storm of every bubble team winning and every "safe" team losing so the bubble teams can make runs in their tournaments.
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Originally Posted by Viperstick
Call me a pessimist, but I feel we need two wins in the A-10 to truly feel secure. There's a lot of company around us from BCS conferences. A Nebraska win vs. Wisconsin all but guarantees them a spot. Tennessee or Mizzou (or both) going on a tear in the SEC tourney could lock up bids for them. Pitt helped their case today at Clemson & could solidify their position with a win or two in the ACC tourney. Point being, there's little margin for error as the 6th team from the A-10.
Win one, and I think it's even money whether we get in. Flame out in the first round & we'll have home field advantage throughout the NIT.
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It has zero to do with 5th or 6th place in the conference but everything to do with overall resume. Solid wins, road wins and good OOC SOS are what will either make or break most teams.
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Originally Posted by Viperstick
Call me a pessimist, but I feel we need two wins in the A-10 to truly feel secure. There's a lot of company around us from BCS conferences. A Nebraska win vs. Wisconsin all but guarantees them a spot. Tennessee or Mizzou (or both) going on a tear in the SEC tourney could lock up bids for them. Pitt helped their case today at Clemson & could solidify their position with a win or two in the ACC tourney. Point being, there's little margin for error as the 6th team from the A-10.
Win one, and I think it's even money whether we get in. Flame out in the first round & we'll have home field advantage throughout the NIT.
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Agree, I won't be breathing easy until they get to 24 wins, or until I see Dayton's name be announced on Selection Sunday...6 a10 teams getting in is an abnormality that may not sit well with the committee...I've seen this movie before, non-bcs teams routinely get shafted every single year...seems like there are more bubble teams this year vs. other years, but I don't know, maybe the # of bubble teams is normal this year.
Lose in 1st round...22 wins...probably in...could be hello nit though
23 wins...most likely in
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Originally Posted by Viperstick
Call me a pessimist, but I feel we need two wins in the A-10 to truly feel secure. There's a lot of company around us from BCS conferences. A Nebraska win vs. Wisconsin all but guarantees them a spot. Tennessee or Mizzou (or both) going on a tear in the SEC tourney could lock up bids for them. Pitt helped their case today at Clemson & could solidify their position with a win or two in the ACC tourney. Point being, there's little margin for error as the 6th team from the A-10.
Win one, and I think it's even money whether we get in. Flame out in the first round & we'll have home field advantage throughout the NIT.
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Our issue is not that we need more wins. We just can't afford another bad loss. We have 3. 4 may be tough for the committee to accept.
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6 a10 teams getting in is an abnormality that may not sit well with the committee...I've seen this movie before, non-bcs teams routinely get shafted every single year.
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I've said this on two other threads, but the committee says it does NOT pay any attention to how many teams from a particular conference get in. The A-10 has 6 deserving teams, and if we don't get 6 (assuming we win one more game) it will indeed be a screw job to a mid-major.
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UMass up 2 with about 3 minutes left in the half.
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Mad Props to longtimefan For This Totally Excellent Post:
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03-09-2014, 04:05 PM
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Yes, yes, yes.
St. Louis pulls it off. IMHO, huge for us.
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03-09-2014, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CE80
Our issue is not that we need more wins. We just can't afford another bad loss. We have 3. 4 may be tough for the committee to accept.
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...And THAT's why we need to win on Thursday. George Mason's RPI is @ 130, & Fordham's is @ 220. It'd be one thing to lose to SJU on Friday (with an RPI between 40-45). We can't afford another RPI 100+ loss.
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03-09-2014, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
...The A-10 has 6 deserving teams, and if we don't get 6 (assuming we win one more game) it will indeed be a screw job to a mid-major.
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While that has happened less frequently in the past 4-5 years, it can still happen. That's why we MUST win on Thursday, and at least put-up one he!! of a fight on Friday.
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03-09-2014, 10:32 PM
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Nebraska just knocked off Wisconsin... makes then 4th in the Big 10.... getting a bye in their tournament.... Serious bubble improvement for them.....
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03-10-2014, 01:04 PM
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How about Iona? They are currently tied with St. John's at 57 in the RPI. If they beat Manhattan tonight and then a whole bunch of other teams lose, they might be able to sneak in the Top 50. Probably not, but still, who'd have thought that Iona would be close to a Top 50 win for us? Very nice. Go Gaels...
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03-10-2014, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer
How about Iona? They are currently tied with St. John's at 57 in the RPI. If they beat Manhattan tonight and then a whole bunch of other teams lose, they might be able to sneak in the Top 50. Probably not, but still, who'd have thought that Iona would be close to a Top 50 win for us? Very nice. Go Gaels...
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That didn't happen, but Gonzaga and IPFW both won their games tonight, so that should help our RPI a little. Central Michigan lost, though. Still, nice to get some 2nd-level points with the first 2, though.
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03-10-2014, 11:35 PM
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Gaels fall just short to the Jaspers--71-68
Zags make it to the WCC finals by crushing St Mary's--70-54
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03-11-2014, 01:29 AM
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I HATE not knowing who to root for at times like these in some of these games. San Fran and BYU tied at 64 with under a minute to play. Do we want BYU to lose as a potential at-large competitor? Or keep San Fran from gaining another bid for the conference?
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03-11-2014, 01:42 AM
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And we go to OT in Vegas. Very glad the rest of you sprang ahead over the weekend so that this game ends before 11PM Phoenix time vs midnight.
Announcers, of course, are saying that BYU should be in regardless of the finish tonight. Solid RPI and some good wins. But Looneynardi has them at an 11 seed right now. So does a loss knock them to the bad side of the bubble? Can't beat a team they "should" beat in their conference tourney?
Rooting for the Dons is like playing with fire. If they win, and upset the Zags tomorrow, then possibly 3 teams go dancing from the WCC. But my gut says to go for the Dons anyway.
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03-11-2014, 02:11 AM
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BYU led by as much as 6 in OT but USF battled back. Got to within 2 courtesy of a missed FT. Had a 3 from the corner but it wasn't set up well. Hit front rim but not really very close. So BYU moves on to the WCC Finals with a 79-77 win. No doubt who we want in that final but, I'm afraid, BYU just punched their ticket to the party tonight.
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03-11-2014, 07:06 AM
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Monday night games
Four of Dayton's out-of-conference opponents were in action last night:
Central Michigan's (10-21) season came to a merciful close at the hands of Eastern Michigan (19-13) 60-72.
Iona (22-10) will be competing in the NIT after losing in the MAAC finals to Manhattan (25-7) 68-71.
IPFW (24-9) will face N Dakota State (24-6) for the Summit League title after slipping by S Dakota State (19-12) 64-60.
Gonzaga (27-6) thumped St Mary's (22-11) 70-54 to advance to the West Coast Conference finals against BYU (23-10).
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