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Was supposed to visit next weekend... interesting it was moved up
I couldn't sign on fast enough because I saw where you posted! I thought it was going to be a Welcome to the family because we haven't seen one for awhile! Oh well, we will wait with anticipation on this thread as well as the 2018 Recruiting thread!
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St. Francis (NY) transfer Rasheem Dunn says he's heard from Dayton, Fordham, Louisiana-Monroe, Little Rock and Wofford. Averaged 15.4 points and 5.7 rebounds this season.
I hope these kinds of players aren't what we're going after now. Desperation mode. There is a reason he's only hearing from these schools. Shot 22% from 3 last season and around 38% from the floor in total. Yikes.
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I hope these kinds of players aren't what we're going after now. Desperation mode. There is a reason he's only hearing from these schools. Shot 22% from 3 last season and around 38% from the floor in total. Yikes.
For accuracy sake, he actually shot 28% from 3 last season, up from 22% the year before, while shooting 41 more threes.

For comparison's sake, Darrell Davis shot 29% from 3 as a sophomore, had a comparable assist to TO ratio as Rasheem, while Rasheem "appears" to be a better rebounder at 3 inches shorter and a broader build.
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Rasheem "appears" to be a better rebounder at 3 inches shorter and a broader build.
That's saying quite a bit because at 6'6" DD was a very good defensive rebounding guard.

Looks like Rasheem brings the beef, maybe like Trey.
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don't call us , we'll call you!

We have enough holes in our program and he would only compound our losing program. We can find walkon's that shoot better. He's a poor shooting, skinny, chucker guard, and we need size. He's a prime reason they had a losing record in a podunk conference.

On the other hand he did have a block last year and would fit in with our defensive mindset!!......and I'd hate to lose out to Wofford, Monroe, et al.

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Originally Posted by maddog07 View Post
don't call us , we'll call you!

We have enough holes in our program and he would only compound our losing program. We can find walkon's that shoot better. He's a poor shooting, skinny, chucker guard, and we need size. He's a prime reason they had a losing record in a podunk conference.

On the other hand he did have a block last year and would fit in with our defensive mindset!!......and I'd hate to lose out to Wofford, Monroe, et al.

hope we haven't sunk this far.
Just like during the season, Miserabledog07 jumps on any sliver of "bad news" and posts how bad things are. Have we signed this kid? Were you anywhere to be seen when when we we were "in on" the #1 JUCO recruit? At all excited at the prospect? Granted AG didn't reel him in but there are many other recruits still available other than this kid.

At least during the season you post after a loss to tell us how terrible things are. Now we are subject to your commentary in what is the equivalent to half time.

I'm sorry but I'm just not going to let your miserable attitude affect me...

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I may be the only one but I really like the Dunn kid. He is a playmaker that gets to the rim, scores, defends and passes well. Assist numbers (2.3 per game) and steals (1.4 per game) are nice. Perimeter shooting needs to improve but what I see is a Kyle Davis type who was being asked to shoulder more of the scoring load then he would need to at Dayton (hopefully). Iíd take this kid in a heartbeat personally.
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Donít anyone jump my post here because I know these guys are dead to some of you. But inquiring minds want to know, and Iíve not picked anything up off of google searches...so does anyone know how X and Crosby are doing out in the transfer market? Thanks.
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Dunn I think it's tough to just look at his shooting % and say what he is as a player. St. Francis is 114th in adjusted tempo on Kenpom so I read that as them being a pretty uptempo looking getting a lot of shots.

Was he asked to shoot/score more than he probably was capable of more because of the team he was on? Would he shoot a higher % if he was on a better team and had better shot selection?

Does he he have a good shot?

is he a good defender?

It's tough to get the whole picture on him just off of the ESPN box score.
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Dunn I think it's tough to just look at his shooting % and say what he is as a player.

It's tough to get the whole picture on him just off of the ESPN box score.
Unless you are maddog.
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Donít anyone jump my post here because I know these guys are dead to some of you. But inquiring minds want to know, and Iíve not picked anything up off of google searches...so does anyone know how X and Crosby are doing out in the transfer market? Thanks.
Appears X just visited Akron. I can't find any news on The Cros.
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Rasheem Dunn is one of the league’s fastest and shiftiest players, and he used that distinction to finish the NEC top 10 in scoring average (15.6 ppg). Despite his smallish frame, the 6’2 sophomore cleaned up the defensive glass (20.0 percent) and was a menace on the defensive end (2.6 percent steal rate).

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No, you're right, let's disregard the numbers

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Unless you are maddog.
Perhaps we should look at things like his video game preferences ( seemed to work for Xerius).Thinks Akron is a King or villain to be destroyed. Maybe we should just count on "potential- worked really for Crosby! Seems we are so desperate that we grasp at any straw.
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Dunn I think it's tough to just look at his shooting % and say what he is as a player. St. Francis is 114th in adjusted tempo on Kenpom so I read that as them being a pretty uptempo looking getting a lot of shots.

Was he asked to shoot/score more than he probably was capable of more because of the team he was on? Would he shoot a higher % if he was on a better team and had better shot selection?

Does he he have a good shot?

is he a good defender?

It's tough to get the whole picture on him just off of the ESPN box score.
He shot 22% and 28% from 3 in his 2 years. I'd say it's safe to say he doesn't have a good shot.
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He shot 22% and 28% from 3 in his 2 years. I'd say it's safe to say he doesn't have a good shot.
Charles Cooke left James Madison shooting 29.8%.

Kyle Davis left Dayton shooting 40% from 3. Kyle wasn't a player you wanted shooting a lot of 3s or that was the first shot he looked for but if you left him open, he could hit them. Maybe that's Dunn game on a better team versus being the primary offensive option on a low level team.

The guy absolutely could be a volume scorer who takes a ton of shots who's not a fit for Dayton. Maybe on a better team he could provide some defense, rebounding and being a drive and attack the bucket guy who could improve his shot during a redshirt year.

Tough to know.
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Appears X just visited Akron. I can't find any news on The Cros.
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Charles Cooke left James Madison shooting 29.8%.

Kyle Davis left Dayton shooting 40% from 3. Kyle wasn't a player you wanted shooting a lot of 3s or that was the first shot he looked for but if you left him open, he could hit them. Maybe that's Dunn game on a better team versus being the primary offensive option on a low level team.

The guy absolutely could be a volume scorer who takes a ton of shots who's not a fit for Dayton. Maybe on a better team he could provide some defense, rebounding and being a drive and attack the bucket guy who could improve his shot during a redshirt year.

Tough to know.
You can keep speculating....I'll just go off of the facts.
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I have no idea if this guy is any good, but here are some facts. Devon Oliver went from 16% and 21% from three his first two years to 40% his senior year.
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You can keep speculating....I'll just go off of the facts.
But don't let certain facts trump the others so as to discard him altogether.

Fact - 28% 3P is not good
Fact - he made a drastic improvement from year 1 to year 2 in 3P%
Fact - with that kind of continued improvement, he can have serviceable 3P% figures
Fact - he's a stellar defender
Fact - he's a great rebounder for his size

Question/speculation - what does UD want/expect from him?

If they want him to be a knock down shooter, then we should look elsewhere. If they want him to be a lockdown defender, demonstrate enough quickness and strength to breakdown his man and get to the rim, then perhaps we should look at him. You add these traits to a guy who may be able to develop into respectable 3P shooter (mid 30's%) and we could have an impact player. I like some of the references to KD, IF in fact Dunn is the lockdown defender, has the shiftiness as suggested and rebounds like it appears he does as a guard.
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So you're saying because there are a few examples of OTHER players improving their shooting % from 3 drastically that it should serve as a better indicator that this guy, who shot 22% and 28% from 3 and 38% from the floor, is a good shooter? Makes sense to me. 2 years of stats isn't speculation......It's proof that he isn't a good shooter. Doesn't mean he couldn't become better, but you certainly can't assume that he will because OTHER players have.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER View Post
But don't let certain facts trump the others so as to discard him altogether.

Fact - 28% 3P is not good
Fact - he made a drastic improvement from year 1 to year 2 in 3P%
Fact - with that kind of continued improvement, he can have serviceable 3P% figures
Fact - he's a stellar defender
Fact - he's a great rebounder for his size

Question/speculation - what does UD want/expect from him?

If they want him to be a knock down shooter, then we should look elsewhere. If they want him to be a lockdown defender, demonstrate enough quickness and strength to breakdown his man and get to the rim, then perhaps we should look at him. You add these traits to a guy who may be able to develop into respectable 3P shooter (mid 30's%) and we could have an impact player. I like some of the references to KD, IF in fact Dunn is the lockdown defender, has the shiftiness as suggested and rebounds like it appears he does as a guard.
As a UD fan I'm looking for potential "program changers". He shot 28% from 3 and 38% from the floor in a terrible conference. Spin it how you want to, but I'll pass on this one.
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I have no idea if this guy is any good, but here are some facts. Devon Oliver went from 16% and 21% from three his first two years to 40% his senior year.
Your statement, by the way, is not a fact.
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Looks like we almost have consensus, recruit bad shooters and wait for them to improve. Brilliant!

This could be the secret sauce that gets us back to relevance. Didn't Jim O'brien patent this?
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So you're saying because there are a few examples of OTHER players improving their shooting % from 3 drastically that it should serve as a better indicator that this guy, who shot 22% and 28% from 3 and 38% from the floor, is a good shooter? Makes sense to me. 2 years of stats isn't speculation......It's proof that he isn't a good shooter. Doesn't mean he couldn't become better, but you certainly can't assume that he will because OTHER players have.
What I'm saying is you are over using stats. Stats are just linear numbers. They can't be used that way alone. There is context to those numbers, such as other 'what-ifs' that some have brought up. Without understanding the context of the numbers, any conclusion, especially extreme ones, are irresponsible and irrational.

This is especially true when you try to use them the way you are - to predict the future despite the fact that people have provided examples where the same numbers or worse did not guarantee the assumptions you are making about this one specific kid.

You are also discounting many other factors that would dispute your extreme conclusions.

1.) AG has always had an eye for talent. Few if any would dispute this and he is paid as he is because of this and other factors.

2.) AG wants this program to be at the highest level as quickly as possible more than anyone on this board.

These 2 facts alone tell me that if he is interested at all in this kid, there is reason to be and that the 'stat facts' don't tell the real story about him.

Finally, just because we are following him doesn't mean we will ever extend an offer. Also, you can't have a roster of 13 program changing kids at any school - for long. Too many will leave as they will all want to play 30+ minutes. Any school needs role players and not all will be both offensive and defensive stalwarts i.e. London Warren - a great Flyer that I believe only Jacksonville State wanted.

I'm so glad some brought up KD and DO - 2 of my all time favorites. The 'KD or DO should be benched the next time they shoot a 3' cries still ring loudly in the halls and we know how terribly wrong the arm chair experts were back then. No different with this argument.
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Isn't "sissy mary" name calling?
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It won't go away, it will just shift to why didn't we get player X instead.
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Originally Posted by longtimefan View Post
I have no idea if this guy is any good, but here are some facts. Devon Oliver went from 16% and 21% from three his first two years to 40% his senior year.
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Your statement, by the way, is not a fact.
What???
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For those of you who have already made up your mind that we don't want Rasheem Dunn:

1. When you interviewed him him 1:1, were there injuries that you believe caused him to shoot only 28% from 3? What kind of character did he display? What does he want to accomplish? How does he see himself fitting into the team?

2. When you watched 8-10 game films, what did you see? Does he have major flaws in his game? Does he have a good knowledge of the game and is he a natural ball hawk with great instincts?

3. How does his former coach describe him in your conversations with him?

None of that? Howsabout we leave it to AG for just now, eh?

And finally: The NEC is not good. No doubt. But I would bet you could make an all-star team from the NEC and place in the top 5 of the A10. If true, that implies that there are at least a few guys in the conference who can play at this level. Could we get one?

Are those players going to get us a #2 seed in the NCAA tournament? No, but, we could certainly use some complimentary players. If he's that, great, if he's not, pass.

Why's that so hard?
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Originally Posted by longtimefan View Post
I have no idea if this guy is any good, but here are some facts. Devon Oliver went from 16% and 21% from three his first two years to 40% his senior year.
Originally Posted by flyerfan4life View Post
Your statement, by the way, is not a fact.
Prove that it is not a fact.

Oh, wait, I will prove it is a fact.

Devin Oliver Season 3pt %
  • Freshman - 3-19 (15.8%)
  • Sophomore - 7-33 (21.2%)
  • Junior - 15-53 (28.3%)
  • Senior - 42-106 (39.6%)
  • Career - 67-211 (31.8%)

If you remove 1 attempt, or add 1 make, he's at 40% or better. So, unless you are picking nits that 39.6 does not equal 40, then go measure the weight of the potato chips in your 10oz bag.

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What???
The statement made about DEVON Oliver isn't a fact. Not sure who that is.
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The statement made about DEVON Oliver isn't a fact. Not sure who that is.
But I CAN tell you who's a jagoff in this thread. . .
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Originally Posted by flyerfan4life View Post
So you're saying because there are a few examples of OTHER players improving their shooting % from 3 drastically that it should serve as a better indicator that this guy, who shot 22% and 28% from 3 and 38% from the floor, is a good shooter? Makes sense to me. 2 years of stats isn't speculation......It's proof that he isn't a good shooter. Doesn't mean he couldn't become better, but you certainly can't assume that he will because OTHER players have.
What they are saying is that it is possible. I'm not enamored with his stats, but I trust that AG and team have done their research and have a plan in place.

That plan might be to tell him to stop shooting 3's and contribute in other ways. That plan might include improving that 3 point % - which I would assume they have looked at his shot mechanics to decide how likely it is that they can improve his %.

Either way - I'm guessing AG and his staff have seen him play, and you have not. I'm siding with AG on this one...
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I have no idea if this guy is any good, but here are some facts. Devon Oliver went from 16% and 21% from three his first two years to 40% his senior year.
Hence, why you want to look at the guy's shot vs. only his stats.

Devin always had a good looking shot. They just weren't going in. I always thought it was lack of in-game confidence, but the form was good. Always.

The reverse of that (for me) was X. His 3's were going in at a good clip early in his career, but I never thought it was going to last in high volume because he didn't have great form. When his 3-pointers increased, his percentage dropped and a lot of people seemed surprised. I wasn't.

Dunn's form is just fine. Better shot selection and not having to be "the man" should easily improve his percentage quite a bit.

Having said all that...

This discussion is because he said he's "heard" from Dayton. Not an offer. Not an offer. (Said in Allen Iverson voice.)

But only that he's heard from Dayton. {Sigh}
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Originally Posted by flyerfan4life View Post
As a UD fan I'm looking for potential "program changers".
We have quite a few spots open. Not everyone needs to be a program changer.

Was Kyle Davis a program changer? Would you pass on him today?
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Hence, why you want to look at the guy's shot vs. only his stats.

Devin always had a good looking shot. They just weren't going in. I always thought it was lack of in-game confidence, but the form was good. Always.

The reverse of that (for me) was X. His 3's were going in at a good clip early in his career, but I never thought it was going to last in high volume because he didn't have great form. When his 3-pointers increased, his percentage dropped and a lot of people seemed surprised. I wasn't.

Dunn's form is just fine. Better shot selection and not having to be "the man" should easily improve his percentage quite a bit.

Having said all that...

This discussion is because he said he's "heard" from Dayton. Not an offer. Not an offer. (Said in Allen Iverson voice.)

But only that he's heard from Dayton. {Sigh}
Oliver shot under 30% from 3 pt land 75% of the seasons he played at UD. I'm obviously very pleased that he improved so much his senior year, but overall he wasn't a good shooter in college.
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But I CAN tell you who's a jagoff in this thread. . .
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We have quite a few spots open. Not everyone needs to be a program changer.

Was Kyle Davis a program changer? Would you pass on him today?
Yes, he actually was the definition of a program changer in many facets.
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Yes, he actually was the definition of a program changer in many facets.
But he wasnít a program changer when he was recruited. He really was a role player who excelled at his role, ie, great defender. You need all types of players, thatís why they call it a team game.
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Yes, he actually was the definition of a program changer in many facets.
I love Kyle Davis. LOVE him. An all-time favorite.

He was not a program changer. Not even close.

But if you believe that...

Why can't a guy like Dunn help "in many facets" even if he's not, by your standards, a great 3-point shooter?
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Sorry to interject some facts about Dunn:

He led his team in scoring, rebounding, and steals his freshman year. He did it again his sophomore year.
He was 2nd team all conference last year.
His defensive rebounding % ranked third in the conference.
He is 6í2Ē.

Those last two lines read together sound pretty good.

If youíre the best player on a bad team in a bad conference playing against bad competition, itís a little tough to judge how well your game would translate on a better team with other good players in a better conference playing against better teams. But with a year off to get stronger, faster, better, playing against good competition in practice, youíd have to think a guy would get better. Plus, shot selection is going to be far, far better if youíre option 3 or 4 on a good team rather than option 1A, 1B, and 1C on a bad team. I donít know his catch-and-shoot percentages, his off the dribble percentages, and I watched zero SF Brooklyn games, but he put up some good numbers and was 2nd team all conference.

Put me in the camp that heís at least worth a look.
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I love Kyle Davis. LOVE him. An all-time favorite.

He was not a program changer. Not even close.

But if you believe that...

Why can't a guy like Dunn help "in many facets" even if he's not, by your standards, a great 3-point shooter?
You just caught him in his circular argument-KD wasnít a great shooter, but was a program changer, yet Dunn isnít a great shooter, but canít be a program changer ďin many facetsĒ. Is Flyerfanforlife really UDScott?
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You just caught him in his circular argument-KD wasnít a great shooter, but was a program changer, yet Dunn isnít a great shooter, but canít be a program changer ďin many facetsĒ. Is Flyerfanforlife really UDScott?
Kyle Davis wasn't a great shooter? His 3 point % freshman year was 16.7% and his sophomore year it was 22.1%. Oh. I see what you did there. You used logic.

Interesting approach.
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Oliver shot under 30% from 3 pt land 75% of the seasons he played at UD. I'm obviously very pleased that he improved so much his senior year, but overall he wasn't a good shooter in college.
So it looks like you are saying you wish Oliver hadn't been on the team since you are only concerned with Dunn's shooting stats and you don't want him on the team. (And, excuse me for the typo on DevIn. On my keyboard the o is right next to the i.)
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Well, we'll probably all get to find out. I'm sure we'll be signing him since we aren't competing with anyone of note like we are on the others who aren't committing! Kyle Davis proved he had the intangibles to be a program changer. You'll never know that for sure until someone gets to the university. If you'd like to speculate that this Dunn kid is a program changing kid like KD was then that is on you. We have college stats on this kid in a weaker conference. His stats aren't likely to improve very much in the A10.
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I love Kyle Davis. LOVE him. An all-time favorite.

He was not a program changer. Not even close.

But if you believe that...

Why can't a guy like Dunn help "in many facets" even if he's not, by your standards, a great 3-point shooter?
I was a huge Kyle Davis fan as well! When he had the ball on a fast break and was going to the basket for a layup he was MONEY! BRob2Perryman3 coined the term "sandwich" and yelled out the term because you either had time to make a sandwich or at least take a bite out of one because it was a sure thing! My wife thought it was funny because I would yell it out as well while watching an away game on TV or in person at UD Arena.
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I love Kyle Davis. LOVE him. An all-time favorite.

He was not a program changer. Not even close.

But if you believe that...

Why can't a guy like Dunn help "in many facets" even if he's not, by your standards, a great 3-point shooter?
He is one of your "all time favorites" but he wasn't a program changer?!?! Now THAT is funny.
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He is one of your "all time favorites" but he wasn't a program changer?!?! Now THAT is funny.
Was just making a comment! Didn't say I agreed with everything Lowd&ProUD said! Kyle, together with 3 other seniors last year, Devin Oliver the year before and several others were all program changers!

Big Steve would have been a program changer!

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Can we get confirmation about this potato chip thing from Ryan Mikesell please...
You work on that while I work on this one...

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BRob2Perryman3 coined the term "sandwich" and yelled out the term because you either had time to make a sandwich or at least take a bite out of one because it was a sure thing! My wife thought it was funny because I would yell it out as well while watching an away game on TV or in person at UD Arena.
I have a call into the real Earl of Sandwich, Sammy Smith! That guy knows all too well that a lot can happen in the time it takes to make a sandwich.
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He is one of your "all time favorites" but he wasn't a program changer?!?! Now THAT is funny.
You and I share completely different views on how to define "program changer". Fair enough. I'm not here to try and sway your opinion on that.

But for my money, a guy isn't a program changer if he never even makes 3rd Team All Conference.

Please don't misinterpret that. I'd sign up a team full of Kyle Davis type guys all day long and be thrilled with it.

But let's recap your summary here...

You say you're only looking for program changers.
Kyle Davis qualifies as a program changer.
Dunn is still way below our cut-off because, by percentage in his first 2 seasons, he's not a great 3-point shooter.
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Originally Posted by Lowd&ProUD View Post
You and I share completely different views on how to define "program changer". Fair enough. I'm not here to try and sway your opinion on that.

But for my money, a guy isn't a program changer if he never even makes 3rd Team All Conference.

Please don't misinterpret that. I'd sign up a team full of Kyle Davis type guys all day long and be thrilled with it.

But let's recap your summary here...

You say you're only looking for program changers.
Kyle Davis qualifies as a program changer.
Dunn is still way below our cut-off because, by percentage in his first 2 seasons, he's not a great 3-point shooter.
I could deal with it if he was just a bad 3-point shooter, but he has a terrible shooting percentage in general. That is more my problem.
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Scott still coming in for a visit. Struck out on some the top tier guys so I'm guessing their re-calibrating their targets
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I'm not surprised by any guards not coming. We didn't seem to target any PG positions, and most of the other guys, well, we've already got Jordan Davis and Dwayne Cohill is coming in, plus Matos. We really need another PG and some bigs. Guessing they have some hope in getting Policelli to commit, maybe one other big, and a PG. Then probably focusing on the 2019 recruiting class, especially for PG. If they could snag Tre Mann or Kira Lewis Jr, would be a huge get.

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Cooke and Cunningham both committed in June so it could be a while before anything shakes out on the transfer front.

Crutcher and Obi were both May commits and the staff saw Jalen play around this time last year in an AAU event and got on their radar.

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Guy Archie looked at when he transferred out of Towson. Combo guard. James Kane was on staff during his redshirt year so he's got some familiarity
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Guy Archie looked at when he transferred out of Towson. Combo guard. James Kane was on staff during his redshirt year so he's got some familiarity
This guy is the definition of a program changer! He changed from Towson to Murray State and now he'll be at a 3rd school in 5 years of college. Where do I sign??!!
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This guy is the definition of a program changer! He changed from Towson to Murray State and now he'll be at a 3rd school in 5 years of college. Where do I sign??!!
What are you expecting for a 1 year back up PG
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This guy is the definition of a program changer! He changed from Towson to Murray State and now he'll be at a 3rd school in 5 years of college. Where do I sign??!!
So you're expecting a 12 man roster of program changers.

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What are you expecting for a 1 year back up PG
I'd rather Cohill and/or Jordan Davis give us 5-7 minutes at the Point per game.
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This guy is the definition of a program changer! He changed from Towson to Murray State and now he'll be at a 3rd school in 5 years of college. Where do I sign??!!
The "where do I sign thing" is definitely dripping with sarcasm, but you have a point there with your play on words. A guy who changes programs is a program changer. You can't really dispute that. It's not possible to transfer without changing programs. So if you are someone who does not want a transfer who "isn't a program changer" then your argument is at best poorly worded. It's like not liking the color blue because its blue.
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This guy is the definition of a program changer! He changed from Towson to Murray State and now he'll be at a 3rd school in 5 years of college. Where do I sign??!!
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Nothing wrong with aiming high but Hawkins only takes up a scholarship for a year. Unlikely all five scholarships are gonna be filled with high impact guys

Jordan Davis has never played point guard on the division 1 level before and is likely the starting shooting guard next year.

Cohill I think certainly could back up Crutcher but as it stands right now he's probably the 6th man or at the least playing major minutes off the bench for Davis/Landers if not starting.
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so, Scott is visiting the campus next week - is that correct? do we have ANY other visits lined up? if so, if someone could list them really would appreciate it... it is just too difficult for me to stay up to date on this thread.. thanks
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Cohill I think certainly could back up Crutcher but as it stands
He is Crutcher's only backup as far as I see it. An eligible true PG would be music to my ears.
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so, Scott is visiting the campus next week - is that correct? do we have ANY other visits lined up? if so, if someone could list them really would appreciate it... it is just too difficult for me to stay up to date on this thread.. thanks
that's it as far as public info goes
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Transfers with Dayton interest.

Kennesaw State guard James Scott
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Colorado State guard Prentiss Nixon
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Arkansas Forward Darious Hall

Florida Gulf Coast guard Zack Johnson
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Texas transfer James Banks, is heading to Georgia Tech for an official visit today. He is also hearing from Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Butler, Vanderbilt, VCU, Virginia Tech, San Diego State, Clemson, LSU, Depaul, Auburn and many others. The 6'11" Banks. a former top 100 prospect runs the floor well, He possess an inside presence to block shots and finish at the rim


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Texas transfer James Banks, is heading to Georgia Tech for an official visit today. He is also hearing from Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Butler, Vanderbilt, VCU, Virginia Tech, San Diego State, Clemson, LSU, Depaul, Auburn and many others. The 6'11" Banks. a former top 100 prospect runs the floor well, He possess an inside presence to block shots and finish at the rim


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Campbell transfer Marcus Burk (Franklin Central) has taken official visit to IUPUI. Will take official visit to Bowling Green on Monday.
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What constitutes an official visit versus an unofficial visit, and how many of each can you have with any one particular school?
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The school sponsors (pays for) an official visit.
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Siena's Prince Oduro just got his release to contact everyone but MAAC Schools, Albany and St Bonaventure, per his high school coach.

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What in the world is Siena doing? They don't have a coach. The kid wants out. Just release him if he's insistent that he wants out no matter who the new coach is going to eventually be. The restrictions are stupid.

Now, I get not releasing him to an intra-conference school, but they shouldn't have to stipulate that... if their league had an intra-conference transfer policy. The MAAC does not. But they should because it protects the schools from looking like the bad guy.

And Siena really looks like the bad guy here, particularly by blocking Albany and St. Bonaventure. It looks like they are just restricting schools that are reasonably close to the Toronto area or that have a bunch of guys from Toronto. Now, if there was tampering, okay then I guess, but it looks like they're just guessing where he would want to go, and blocking them out of spite.
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What in the world is Siena doing? They don't have a coach. The kid wants out. Just release him if he's insistent that he wants out no matter who the new coach is going to eventually be. The restrictions are stupid.

Now, I get not releasing him to an intra-conference school, but they shouldn't have to stipulate that... if their league had an intra-conference transfer policy. The MAAC does not. But they should because it protects the schools from looking like the bad guy.

And Siena really looks like the bad guy here, particularly by blocking Albany and St. Bonaventure. It looks like they are just restricting schools that are reasonably close to the Toronto area or that have a bunch of guys from Toronto. Now, if there was tampering, okay then I guess, but it looks like they're just guessing where he would want to go, and blocking them out of spite.
I believe Albany is a rival that they play every year and St. Bonnies are also a team they annually schedule
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Bryce Nze transferring out of Wisconsin Milwaukee. 6'7 230lb sophomore power forward who average 10.3ppg & 8.3 boards. Poor mans Josh Cunningham is one description I saw of him

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