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Old 12-04-2019, 09:25 AM
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My oldest daughter graduated from Saint Mary's, so I pay attention to their basketball program. It's always interested me that they field ranked teams with rosters comprised of many foreign players. This years roster: https://smcgaels.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:47 AM
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Bennett seems to always get his height/beef on his roster from Australia/New Zealand, this year being no exception. Of the trio of Tass (6'10", 240lbs) has been the most productive at 8 pts/4 rebs. Menzies (7'3", 265 lbs) avg'ing 3 pts/2 rebs. Perry (7'1", 250 lbs) has yet to see the floor. Not sure if injured or other (redshirt?).
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:49 AM
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To me, this is going to be the most revealing game of the season. I don't put much stock into what the holiday tournaments reveal. I am of the belief that the power conference schools, especially the perpetual great basketball schools like Kansas, use the OOC schedule as a prep for conference. I believe they probably don't game plan as much as "mid-majors" do for the upcoming opponent. I think their game plan is pretty much the same from opponent to opponent and they just wait to see how their opponents game plan for them and make adjustments as necessary. I don't believe Kansas looked at Maui the same way Dayton did.

But St. Mary and Dayton are kind of in the same boat. These out of conference games mean so much more and they need to take these games much more seriously. If St. Mary or the Flyers have weaknesses not yet revealed, I expect them to be revealed and exploited in this game.

Dayton has a slight advantage in that they have Today, tomorrow, Friday and Saturday to work on specific things pertaining to the Gaels. SM has NIU on Thursday and can't afford to be worrying about the Flyers until after.

If there's a must see game pre-conference, this is it and I cannot wait. I've watched St. Mary play a few times this season and they are a smooth, fun team to watch.
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:17 PM
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This game is being played in the Phoenix Suns NBA arena.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk...k_Resort_Arena

Talking Stick Resort Arena

Hope we get a fair shake from the refs. I am always concerned about the refs in these type of one-off neutral games.

Is this a double-header with 2 other teams like Chicago?

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Old 12-04-2019, 12:26 PM
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Is this a double-header with 2 other teams like Chicago?
Triple header actually.
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:35 PM
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UD v St Mary's is sandwiched in the middle.
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
Hope we get a fair shake from the refs. I am always concerned about the refs in these type of one-off neutral games.
Why do neutral sites concern you in regard to getting a fair shake from the refs? Isn't the other team also playing on a neutral court?
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:58 PM
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11:30AM MST - Tulane University vs St. Louis University
2:00PM MST - Saint Mary's College vs University of Dayton
4:30PM MST - Grand Canyon University vs Liberty University


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SMC is having a pre-game party for their fans across the street at the Hard Rock Cafe at 11:30am.

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Old 12-04-2019, 12:59 PM
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11:30AM MST (1:30PM EST) - Tulane University vs St. Louis University
2:00PM MST (4:00PM EST) - Saint Mary's College vs University of Dayton
4:30PM MST (6:30PM EST) - Grand Canyon University vs Liberty University
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Old 12-04-2019, 01:13 PM
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Why do neutral sites concern you in regard to getting a fair shake from the refs? Isn't the other team also playing on a neutral court?
I have seen p5 teams get what was IMO home-court-advantage type officiating in these type of games even though they are supposed to be neutral games. Perhaps that will not be a problem since SMC is not p5, but SMC is a West Coast team, so this is more of a home game for them than it ever would be for us.
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Old 12-04-2019, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CT Flyer View Post
11:30AM MST (1:30PM EST) - Tulane University vs St. Louis University
2:00PM MST (4:00PM EST) - Saint Mary's College vs University of Dayton
4:30PM MST (6:30PM EST) - Grand Canyon University vs Liberty University
Glad you posted this. My tickets say 7pm on them and I hadnít checked game prior to this.
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Old 12-04-2019, 02:33 PM
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11:30AM MST (1:30PM EST) - Tulane University vs St. Louis University
2:00PM MST (4:00PM EST) - Saint Mary's College vs University of Dayton
4:30PM MST (6:30PM EST) - Grand Canyon University vs Liberty University
Pretty good slate of games. Tulane has been solid, only loss is to Miss St. on a neutral court. Liberty is 10-0. They haven't played anybody but finish their non-con slate @Vandy and @LSU.
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[QUOTE=ud2;602248]I have seen p5 teams get what was IMO home-court-advantage type officiating in these type of games even though they are supposed to be neutral games. Perhaps that will not be a problem since SMC is not p5, but SMC is a West Coast team, so this is more of a home game for them than it ever would be for us.[/QUOTE

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Old 12-04-2019, 03:28 PM
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Pretty good slate of games. Tulane has been solid, only loss is to Miss St. on a neutral court. Liberty is 10-0. They haven't played anybody but finish their non-con slate @Vandy and @LSU.
Yeah, not bad...Liberty is projected to be top 100, Tulane top 130, GC top 200 though
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Old 12-04-2019, 05:01 PM
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I am SO looking forward to this! Not only is it an extremely rare chance to see the Flyers in my own backyard. But my wife did her undergrad at SMC. I root for them as well except during times like these. Jan 23rd, incidentally, is Australia Heritage night for them. So I don't see the pipeline drying up any time soon.

I saw much of the Utah St game recently on ESPNU (even though we were actually 3 miles from campus in Moraga when the game was played Friday night). It was a well-played game and St. Mary's will be a load for sure. As far as common opponents go SMC played Omaha Sunday night and beat them by 9 after trailing by 4 at halftime.
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Old 12-04-2019, 05:05 PM
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This is gonna be a test for the perimeter defense. 4th in the country in 3pt %

Haven't watched them this year but in the past they've been a patient and disciplined team that the defense needs to guard the full 30 seconds
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What concerns me about this game is .........

How are the Marianist going to feel about UD beating up (St.) Mary's?

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This is gonna be a test for the perimeter defense. 4th in the country in 3pt %

Haven't watched them this year but in the past they've been a patient and disciplined team that the defense needs to guard the full 30 seconds
Yeah, but only after gaining possession from Dayton. That new 20 second rule should benefit the Flyers in most games.
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I think we need to out-athletic them if I may coin a phrase. While they are very skilled, outside of Ford they are not overly athletic which is something that we are.
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