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Old 09-26-2008, 12:51 PM
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Nice find. BTW, the comment from "SwampyMeadows" after this article is not from me. I sent a response stating as much. I remember quite well what an NCAA game is like, all the way back to the NCAA Championship in 1967.
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Old 09-26-2008, 01:38 PM
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Let's hope the ghost writer Swampy is 100% accurate. You know he should be good. Players who can hit NBA three point fadeaways during a game should have a great career
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Old 09-26-2008, 02:19 PM
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I really hope he is great at UD, but to say that he is the best player from MI in 20 years is a little crazy.

But hey, when you look at the offer list and schools interested it is no wonder why so many people are high on this kid.
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Old 09-26-2008, 02:24 PM
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Let's hope this kid is as advertised. Time will tell!
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The Detroit/Dayton connection: Johnny D, Negele . . . Paul Williams.
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6 3" 210 as a freshman , correct?

like 2-3 final fours , one championship with Renaissance, is that accurate?

gotta like his pedigree, i'll take him.
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Saw him in person today, and he is thick. Not fat, just looked like a big kid.
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like 2-3 final fours , one championship
I would take that!
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as_4:

Nice find. BTW, the comment from "SwampyMeadows" after this article is not from me. I sent a response stating as much. I remember quite well what an NCAA game is like, all the way back to the NCAA Championship in 1967.
Some people are just a different breed.
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Old 09-26-2008, 08:46 PM
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Paul has a stocky build for a basketball guard. Like the article says, his body looks college ready. If he puts on weight like a normal college player he could be a real strong player in a year or two. But I'm not sure that is what is desired. Maybe we have to see his game first. He is not a great leaper. He can just barely dunk, but that is about all I can say from watching the lay-up line during the commercial filming.
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Paul has a stocky build for a basketball guard. Like the article says, his body looks college ready. If he puts on weight like a normal college player he could be a real strong player in a year or two. But I'm not sure that is what is desired. Maybe we have to see his game first. He is not a great leaper. He can just barely dunk, but that is about all I can say from watching the lay-up line during the commercial filming.
we have enough guys that dunk,if he brings that sweet J from 3 to the table,I will take that
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The Detroit/Dayton connection: Johnny D, Negele . . . Paul Williams.
Don't forget Ryan Perryman!
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Old 09-27-2008, 06:26 AM
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seems there is someone or someones immitating a lot of UD posters. I assume a xavier fan, perhaps we should return the favor with quotes from snipe, Brian and other xavier posters.
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Medford, just remember that when you decide to get in the mud and wrestle a pig the pig is going to enjoy it.

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seems there is someone or someones immitating a lot of UD posters. I assume a xavier fan, perhaps we should return the favor with quotes from snipe, Brian and other xavier posters.
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:02 AM
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Paul has a stocky build for a basketball guard. Like the article says, his body looks college ready. If he puts on weight like a normal college player he could be a real strong player in a year or two. But I'm not sure that is what is desired. Maybe we have to see his game first. He is not a great leaper. He can just barely dunk, but that is about all I can say from watching the lay-up line during the commercial filming.
Trust me,he has no problem dunking.
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:20 AM
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Exactly. I got a note from Chris Disano, the guy that runs that site and he apologized to me for the imposters. I told him that they were no doubt Xavier fans who enjoy being richards and are very good at it.
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:43 AM
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Speaking of Richards....does anybody remember the show on Flyer TV that was called the "Richard Cranium Show" .... this was after their previous show, "Two Dicks", was taken on off the air for being offensive... (both kids names were actually Richard I believe...

... by the way, the show was hilarious.....
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Paul has a stocky build for a basketball guard. Like the article says, his body looks college ready. If he puts on weight like a normal college player he could be a real strong player in a year or two. But I'm not sure that is what is desired. Maybe we have to see his game first. He is not a great leaper. He can just barely dunk, but that is about all I can say from watching the lay-up line during the commercial filming.
I suspect that it will be his ability to play defense that will get him minutes this year...dunking not so much..
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we have enough guys that dunk,if he brings that sweet J from 3 to the table,I will take that
Defense and shooting 3's or any outside shot for that matter will get him 13-18 minutes for sure!
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Defense and shooting 3's or any outside shot for that matter will get him 13-18 minutes for sure!
I think that if he can't defend, BG will not have him on the floor much. I haven't heard much about his defensive skills, but I bet we have nothing to worry about...
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I think that if he can't defend, BG will not have him on the floor much. I haven't heard much about his defensive skills, but I bet we have nothing to worry about...
Everytime I read something about Paul Williams it says he's a LockDown Defender and known for his Clutch Shooting. I think Paul will get more then 18 Min. Hopefully he gets around 23-24. I think he can contribute RIGHT AWAY. We wasted Roberts freshman season lets not waste Williams.
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let the record show

"We wasted Roberts freshman season lets not waste Williams."

Actually, Brian Roberts suffered from Mono at the beginning of his freshman basketball season. It wasn't until near the end of the season that he had rebuilt his strength enough to fully contribute at which time he contributed very well.
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I think all of BG's Freshmen have their chances in pre-season practices. And having passed that litmus test, they then get their minutes in ooc.

After that the Coach doesn't "waste" anybody's year, they either waste their own (Desmond) or there is a realization that the recruit isn't the "instant help" BG envisioned, and the player sees he has mucho work to do (Searcy/ Thomas) to see the court.

It's not rational to think a coach would continually sit a player that is truly instant help off the bench.

I think odds are that some newbe is going to disappoint this year simply becasue we have so many upperclass returnees and at the same time a lot of new talent with high hopes. Who will that be? Each new recruit seems to have a UDPride poster that is "lock-sure" that his guy is going to excel as a Frosh. Somethings gotta give. They all have good credentials.
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roberts didnt play near as much as he should have freshman year because of loyalties to mark jones. it can be argued that his frosh year was somewhat wasted...
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roberts didnt play near as much as he should have freshman year because of loyalties to mark jones. it can be argued that his frosh year was somewhat wasted...
Don't forget the Roberts started the year with Mono so that slowed his progress. Also it is BG's job to win games. Playing a Sr is the wise move in that regard.
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Everytime I read something about Paul Williams it says he's a LockDown Defender and known for his Clutch Shooting. I think Paul will get more then 18 Min. Hopefully he gets around 23-24. I think he can contribute RIGHT AWAY. We wasted Roberts freshman season lets not waste Williams.
23 is a lot of minutes, and would mean that perry is a complete bust, and that marcus and others don't see as many minutes at the 2.

personally i think perry ;s gonna be alright for us. Not great, but fairly solid.
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roberts didnt play near as much as he should have freshman year because of loyalties to mark jones. it can be argued that his frosh year was somewhat wasted...
I don't remember where in the season he was sick. However the last half of the season he averaged 22 minutes vs 18 minutes the first half. For a guy who only started one game, Roberts had the 4th highest minutes on a 9-5 A10 team. Not chump change.

Not exactly a good argument that he had a wasted year. Interestingly I would bet that Brian himself would be the first to acknowledge it, especially in view of his mid-season illness.
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I don't remember where in the season he was sick. However the last half of the season he averaged 22 minutes vs 18 minutes the first half. For a guy who only started one game, Roberts had the 4th highest minutes on a 9-5 A10 team. Not chump change.

Not exactly a good argument that he had a wasted year. Interestingly I would bet that Brian himself would be the first to acknowledge it, especially in view of his mid-season illness.
I thought it was the beginning of the season.
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I remember he had mono at the red and blue game when he was introduced. He had a sweatsuit on. His freshman numbers were very impressive. Something like 9 pts in 20 minutes per game with great shooting numbers.
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why is that not a good argument that it was a wasted year???

22 minutes is not enough, which is what he apparently had the second half of the season (when mono was far from an issue--as stated, he had mono at the red and blue game, well before the season started).

he was our best player as a freshman--he took the last second shots and was the most trusted scorer. freshman or not, he deserved upwards of 27 minutes a game when healthy.
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I thought it could potentially take quite a while to recover from mono, maybe they were trying to limit his minutes. Any doctors in the house?
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hindsight is 20-20 my friend. of course we look back now and say DUH B-Rob should have played more minutes, but how could BG or any of us have known that for sure four years ago?

the point is, we should be thankful that instead of arguing about who is going to step up and fill in holes, we are arguing about which of our many talented young freshman will be explosive enough to take away minutes from our senior, juniors, and stud sophomore. this is a great problem to have and frankly, I don't care who it is as long as we go dancing!!
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why is that not a good argument that it was a wasted year???

22 minutes is not enough, which is what he apparently had the second half of the season (when mono was far from an issue--as stated, he had mono at the red and blue game, well before the season started).

he was our best player as a freshman--he took the last second shots and was the most trusted scorer. freshman or not, he deserved upwards of 27 minutes a game when healthy.
I don't think I would say it was wasted -- BR was a typical freshman who had some very good games and some games where he struggled like LaSalle (1/4 in 16 minutes),
Richmond (3/7 in 26 min) and Temple (3/11 in 29 min)

On the other hand he averaged more minutes (20.2) than any other freshman that year (Monty lead the team with 24.9) and he was named to the A10 All-Rookie Team.

That seems like a decent freshman year to me
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At the start of Robert's Freshman year in 2004, most rational fans would have had Monty Scott down as the Flyer's best player, and a lot was expected of him.

After that there was a host of Frosh who looked promising, BR being one of them. I still remember the infamous Ted Kissell quote about Trent Meacham, "This young man is going to be special for us". Roberts certainly was in the mix, however disabled he might have been. Looking back after the year was over, there were signs that Meacham and Roberts would be special their Soph years---in much different ways. My opinion is the biggest surprise was Scott leveling off for the last 2 years of his career and not being the stud leader we thought we had.

All things considered with the whole cast of characters from 2004/5, Roberts shouldered all he could and set himself up for a great last 3 years---in no way hindered or deprived in his future career.

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I don't think I would say it was wasted -- BR was a typical freshman who had some very good games and some games where he struggled like LaSalle (1/4 in 16 minutes),
Richmond (3/7 in 26 min) and Temple (3/11 in 29 min)

On the other hand he averaged more minutes (20.2) than any other freshman that year (Monty lead the team with 24.9) and he was named to the A10 All-Rookie Team.

That seems like a decent freshman year to me
This is a pointless topic i guess. but, that was the best you could do in finding "bad" games? so he went 3/11 one game, is that supposed to prove something? it seems like you went back to look at his frosh year numbers and wanted to find proof that he played as much as he should have and the numbers didnt show that so you said "he went 3/11 once."

the point is, he wasnt a "typical" freshman and he should have had better than a "decent" freshman year.
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I challenge anyone to come up with a list of freshmen who averaged what BRob did or better in his freshman year. That's a short list. He wasn't stunted in the least. Sometimes you have to give credit to BG for developing a great player.
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I challenge anyone to come up with a list of freshmen who averaged what BRob did or better in his freshman year. That's a short list. He wasn't stunted in the least. Sometimes you have to give credit to BG for developing a great player.
Chris Wright???
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Chris Wright???
That's pretty nice company. A list of those players would be a who's who of Flyer basketball. 9+ points per game isn't normal at all for a freshman.
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fudd, sorry for belaboring, but he WASNT a normal freshman. he was far better. we all know that. BG knew that because when we needed a bucket we gave him the ball--even as a freshman. if he would have played 25-27 minutes he would have scored 13-15 points.

we all agree he wasnt a normal freshman. what im saying is for that reason he should have played more...

by the way, at this time in college basketball, freshman scoring 9 points a game is commonplace.
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Don't forget that some of what BG may have been doing is looking at matchups and who is going to be able to defend. BRob wasn't exactly the best of defenders and on top of that he was pretty thin coming in. If he lost minutes those were probably two of the main reasons. Obviously it wasn't lack of the ability to stroke the ball.
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Everytime I read something about Paul Williams it says he's a LockDown Defender and known for his Clutch Shooting. I think Paul will get more then 18 Min. Hopefully he gets around 23-24. I think he can contribute RIGHT AWAY.
I think what we are reading speaks volumes of PW's potential, but not to the tune of 23/24 minutes as a Freshman. See the Mickey Perry thread in today's posts. Even Lowery is older and more experienced and likely to snatch minutes. If nothing else we are deep this year and to average minutes over 20 will be difficult for a non-starter, and exponentially more difficult for a Frosh.

Can anyone recall a UD Freshman being a "featured" starter and not just a decent role player? Dunno, just asking.
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I think what we are reading speaks volumes of PW's potential, but not to the tune of 23/24 minutes as a Freshman. See the Mickey Perry thread in today's posts. Even Lowery is older and more experienced and likely to snatch minutes. If nothing else we are deep this year and to average minutes over 20 will be difficult for a non-starter, and exponentially more difficult for a Frosh.

Can anyone recall a UD Freshman being a "featured" starter and not just a decent role player? Dunno, just asking.
yes, Chris Wright (again), Kurt Hulesman who has started everygame of his UD Career.

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Robert's presence insured that he was the featured starter last year, granted Chris came in with lots of deserved press, but then got hurt. Kurt was a valued role player his Frosh year, nothing more. Maybe Stanley with UD coming out of the dark ages would have qualified as a Freshman phenom. And it was at a time when the cupboard was bare (save Ashman who was developing) so that table was set for him.

I hope PW is so good he pushes all the starters to the brink, but the cards don't stack up that way at this time.
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I've now read this thread at least 4 times, and I'm still stumped about the "Roberts was wasted as a Frosh" and "Roberts should have been featured".
1. Roberts was NOT considered one of the top recruits of the class. On Scout he was only 2 stars. Now recruiting rankings actually do not matter, but 20 minutes a game for a recruit that was NOT a big time recruit is actually a lot. Apparently very few outside of Toledo and Coach Gregory saw what was to come. Possibly there was a reason for this and he wasn't quite ready his Freshman year to do more than he did.
2. At some point, he did have mono. I've seen people get over this in one week, but I've also seen it effect some people an entire year. Though he obviously was better later in the year, better does not mean completely recovered and unaffected. Possibly in hindered him in some way all season.
2a. Even recovered, he was extremely thin. Yes, he was thin when he graduated, but it was still a more mature body by then. Maybe his body that season, especially since in recovery, couldn't handle much more than 20 minutes a game.
3. Though after a while it became obvious he had tons of talent, doesn't mean he didn't have "normal" Freshmen issues. Though he only missed 12 free throws on the year (I think he was 44 for 56), I clearly remember him struggling at the line in the clutch that season. I remember Brian and Mark Jones being the masters of the "1 for 2" in the final 2 minutes of games that season.
4. If my memory serves from the threads back then, many on here did not care for Mark Jones. But in looking at the stats, the only thing, statwise, Roberts did better was shoot the 3. Free throws were identical. Rebounds just slightly in favor of Mark (5.53 to 5.26 per 40 minutes), same with assists. Brian committed more turnovers in less minutes. And Mark had way more steals (almost double per minute). Before anyone misreads this and yells at me "No way was Mark better than Brian", as that is NOT what I'm saying, let me clarify. What I'm saying is, that with Brian's mono and other issues (thinness, lack of defense, etc), combined with Mark's Senior leadership (and Mark DID show some leadership as a Senior) and other intangibles, there is justification for the split of the minutes.

There were definite moments when Brian showed he may become a star in the future, but the mono, extreme thinness, lack of defense, etc (sorry for repetition from previous paragraph), did say that he was a star YET. He definitely showed the potential, but he was not there yet. He was definitely a better player as a Soph than as a Frosh, which is to be expected. 20 minutes a game is completely legitimate for a Freshman in that situation.

I would think if there could be an argument for a Freshman not getting enough minutes that year, Trent had the better argument. Highest 3 point and free throw accuracy on the team, fully healthy (that we know of), while at the same time the guy (Warren Williams) ahead of him wasn't any star in his own right (though it wasn't until the next season that Warren imploded).

With the current team, Paul Williams will have to be absolutely amazing right out of the gate to get close to even 20 minutes. He plays the same position as one of the main guys expected to be a huge leader this season in Marcus Johnson. Marcus averaged 29.5 last season, I don't expect that to go down this season. Many are expecting Mickey Perry, another guy at the same position, to be better this year. So that's more minutes used up at the 2 spot. Paul doesn't play point from what I've heard. Apparently Paul has a very solid body, so maybe he could play the 3. But wait, that's Flyght's spot. There's at least 30 minutes taken. Basically, where are Paul's minutes coming from? One scenario is one of the the interior guys sits, moving Flyght to the 4 spot while Marcus and Paul are on the court at the same time at the 3 and 2 spots. But who is sitting? Some, including myself, think Devin will get more minutes this year (I saw some nice potential in him). Kurt isn't going anywhere. We all hope Little improves, shows some Senior leadership and has his best year, so he needs/will get minutes. Then you still have the other Frosh that may or may not get playing time. Will Paul see the floor? Yes, of course. I just can't figure out where, other than the one set up I described with Flyght at the 4, meaning some other interior person (Kurt, Charles, Devin, Josh) is losing minutes.

I hope Paul becomes a superstar for us, I'm just not counting on him breaking out huge this particular season.
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This is a pointless topic i guess. but, that was the best you could do in finding "bad" games? so he went 3/11 one game, is that supposed to prove something? it seems like you went back to look at his frosh year numbers and wanted to find proof that he played as much as he should have and the numbers didnt show that so you said "he went 3/11 once."

the point is, he wasnt a "typical" freshman and he should have had better than a "decent" freshman year.
My point was that he wasn't an unstoppable force as a freshman that may have deserved more playing time -- he had good games and he had games where he struggled.

The main point of my post (and it just my OPINION) is that his freshman season was not a waste and was better than decent -- He averaged 20+ minutes game for a team where no one averaged over 25; he lead all freshman in minutes played; and he was named to the A10 all Rookie Team.

I have a feeling that there are a lot of college players out there (who didn't receive a lot of publicity coming out of high school) who would be happy with that kind of freshman season

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It's a good sign that, even if we have a very good freshman, he may have trouble getting major minutes these days.
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With the current team, Paul Williams will have to be absolutely amazing right out of the gate to get close to even 20 minutes. He plays the same position as one of the main guys expected to be a huge leader this season in Marcus Johnson. Marcus averaged 29.5 last season, I don't expect that to go down this season. Many are expecting Mickey Perry, another guy at the same position, to be better this year. So that's more minutes used up at the 2 spot. Paul doesn't play point from what I've heard. Apparently Paul has a very solid body, so maybe he could play the 3. But wait, that's Flyght's spot. There's at least 30 minutes taken. Basically, where are Paul's minutes coming from? One scenario is one of the the interior guys sits, moving Flyght to the 4 spot while Marcus and Paul are on the court at the same time at the 3 and 2 spots. But who is sitting? Some, including myself, think Devin will get more minutes this year (I saw some nice potential in him). Kurt isn't going anywhere. We all hope Little improves, shows some Senior leadership and has his best year, so he needs/will get minutes. Then you still have the other Frosh that may or may not get playing time. Will Paul see the floor? Yes, of course. I just can't figure out where, other than the one set up I described with Flyght at the 4, meaning some other interior person (Kurt, Charles, Devin, Josh) is losing minutes.

I hope Paul becomes a superstar for us, I'm just not counting on him breaking out huge this particular season.
You are spot on - Williams will probably get somewhere between 15-20 minutes, but keeping him on the floor for more means Little comes off the bench or is limited to 20 minutes or less. PW will play mostly at SF moving Wright to PF. MJ and Perry split majority of minutes at SG. Assuming we want to play Little and Wright at the same time, it kind of leaves PW out of the mix. Minutes this year are very intriguing. Weird, but it looks to me like Benson, Fabs, CJ don't see the floor too much.
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Expect BG to maximize mismatches with Chris Wright. No matter the position on the court other than center or point guard. That doesn't mean Chris gets the ball it means that our 2 and 3 options open up.

We have to do the opposite of what we had last year. Everybody knew about Roberts and unfortunately he's stuck in two positions ... but only kind of. Really one position called, do it all and bail us out of trouble. I know that's a bit over the top but .... it is some what truthful.

I think the nice thing with Chris is that we can put him in several positions where he can truly create mismatches ... in that sense, defenses will have to be honest. You can't leave Marcus alone. So, we can at that point either run Chris out as an oversized guard or as a very quick athletic forward. You must account for his presence while not forgetting about Marcus and hopefully 1 -2 other viable options. This is how free up the offense and in particular make the defense play honest.

So we're down to two fundamental issues our team has to solve.

We have what we want in terms of interchangeable players that we can force mismatches .... the two biggest question marks remain

1 - Can our point guard recognize, be calm, and deliver.
2- Who are our 3-5 options on any given night. (what I mean by that is after CW and MJ who steps up)

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Mononucleosis

OK, I can't believe we are talking about mono in a player five years ago. This whole debate on BRob's mono affecting his playing time as a fresman -- here is my verdict: I looked up the prognosis for mono on the National Institutes of Health website. Here is what it says:

""""Outlook (Prognosis)
The fever usually drops in 10 days, and swollen lymph glands and spleen heal in 4 weeks. Fatigue usually goes away within a few weeks, but may linger for 2 to 3 months.""""""


So if BRob's fatigue lingered a couple months, and then it took him another month to get back into basketball shape, then, yes, that would have greatly affected his playing time. It all depends on when he got the mono and began losing the fatigue. IMO: For him to have mono going into the season and STILL average 20 minutes as a two-star freshman is quite amazing, especially considering he had a senior to compete with.
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Thumbs up I pray that Paul Williams is a star, but...

Bottom line = It's players that waste seasons, not coaches. A coach would be a total fool to exile a great player to the bench. My view is that it's fruitless to blame a coach for wasting a player's season when we clearly do not know what is going on in practices.

The poster boy for waste is Desmond Adedeji who had quick feet, soft hands for a big guy, but also a quick knife and fork such that 12 minutes a game squeezed the life out of him.

Glad to have Paul Williams as a Flyer and here's to a great first year for him .
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great post canonball. i agree chris is so versatile that defenses cannot take everything away. roberts was great, but with his size and the lack of support cast (when wright went down), he was limited and defenses could focus on him....

chris can not touch the ball an entire possession and get a quick 2 points on a put back. his inside-out game will make it tough for any scheme to stop.
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[/QUOTE]We have what we want in terms of interchangeable players that we can force mismatches .... the two biggest question marks remain

1 - Can our point guard recognize, be calm, and deliver.
2- Who are our 3-5 options on any given night. (what I mean by that is after CW and MJ who steps up)[/QUOTE]

It is going to be an interesting year and your questions are really what we are waiting to find out.

1. no way to know at the moment. We know that London improved from his Freshman year, but is still a bit of a lose cannon on the court and his outside shooting has been non existent. He may have improved his shooting but we will see.
Lowery was an assist machine and has a similar quick style to London. But we haven't seen him play. I hope that ST has put on some muscle and brings some balance. I think two quick guards with the athleticism we have could be a very good thing. I remain hopeful.

2. We will not make the long haul if it is an MJ and CW show. These two will most likely average in the double digits every night and CW is likely to average a double double. But we will need more than that. I see CL stepping up and scoring about 10 and pulling 8 boards a night so he will likely be our number 3 player. I see Huelsman being our next consistent player and he will probably average 5 to 6 boards and 6 to 8 points and get those numbers consistently. After that, we will need someone else to show up and have a good night, I think that performance will rotate around and we will get inconsistent showings from every other player on the team, but each will have a couple of good games before the end of the season.
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scout > rivals for basketball.
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If he works out as good as Johnny D and Negele both he and the Flyers have some great days ahead

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