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Pac-12 will join the move to 20 conference men's basketball games starting in 2020-21 season.
Making a mark in the early season tournaments will become essential to getting an at large berth in the NCAAT. There won't be enough meaningful games after that to make up for a poor showing.
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Making a mark in the early season tournaments will become essential to getting an at large berth in the NCAAT. There won't be enough meaningful games after that to make up for a poor showing.
I'm pretty sure I have read that same statement the last three seasons at this time of the year. And of course it is true. And these early season tournaments like Maui and Charleston can punch our ticket to the post season---or not. And here we are once again trying to weave in better talent and a deeper bench to start the season. It hasn't been easy. Obi is a critical piece to making the transition easier.
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PAC-12 Agrees to New Scheduling Philosophy

The scheduling change comes after a couple of poor seasons by the Pac-12 in men's basketball. The conference has placed only three teams in the NCAA Tournament field in each of the last two seasons, the fewest among Power Five leagues.

To give the conference an overall boost, the Pac-12 will now require its schools to beef up nonconference schedules. Using the NCAA Tournament selection committee's NET metric, Pac-12 teams will be required to play nonconference opponents whose combined five-year average ranking is 175 or better.

The Pac-12 schools will not participate in so-called buy road games, where it plays at an opponent's home court without a future return game scheduled. The plan also calls for eliminating regular-season games against non-Division I competition and road games versus nonconference opponents with a five-year average of 200 or worse in the NET rankings.

The schedule standardization sets modest goals for Pac-12 schools. Commissioner Larry Scott said only occasionally have Pac-12 schools had nonconference schedules that would not have met the 175 average ranking.

"But this was something our schools felt strongly about we should establish as a standard," Scott said.

Earlier this month, the Pac-12 voted to increase the number of conference games its men's basketball teams play to 20 per season.

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PAC-12 Agrees to New Scheduling Philosophy

The scheduling change comes after a couple of poor seasons by the Pac-12 in men's basketball. The conference has placed only three teams in the NCAA Tournament field in each of the last two seasons, the fewest among Power Five leagues.

To give the conference an overall boost, the Pac-12 will now require its schools to beef up nonconference schedules. Using the NCAA Tournament selection committee's NET metric, Pac-12 teams will be required to play nonconference opponents whose combined five-year average ranking is 175 or better.

The Pac-12 schools will not participate in so-called buy road games, where it plays at an opponent's home court without a future return game scheduled. The plan also calls for eliminating regular-season games against non-Division I competition and road games versus nonconference opponents with a five-year average of 200 or worse in the NET rankings.

The schedule standardization sets modest goals for Pac-12 schools. Commissioner Larry Scott said only occasionally have Pac-12 schools had nonconference schedules that would not have met the 175 average ranking.

"But this was something our schools felt strongly about we should establish as a standard," Scott said.

Earlier this month, the Pac-12 voted to increase the number of conference games its men's basketball teams play to 20 per season.

https://collegefootball.ap.org/athensnew...youts-rise
I wonder if playing a Pac 12 team on the way to Maui, with a return home game the following season, is a possibility?
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I wonder if playing a Pac 12 team on the way to Maui, with a return home game the following season, is a possibility?
I think the timing would be right to try that or a St. Mary's, BYU, quality Mountain West team
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That sounds like the bad A10 scheduling philosophy put in place during the Linda Bruno administration. We ended up with a bunch of 3-9 non-conference records dragging down everybody else's RPI.

The goal is for all your conference mates to go .750 or better in the non-con and then the cream will rise to the top during conference play.

If you can't win 70% or so of your non-con consistently, you're scheduling too tough. Schedule more buy games. If you can't afford to do that, you should not be competing on an A10 level.
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If you can't win 70% or so of your non-con consistently, you're scheduling too tough. Schedule more buy games. If you can't afford to do that, you should not be competing on an A10 level.
I agree with this general line of reasoning, but it appears to me that there's a general overestimation among UD fans of what "on an A10 level" means to the rest of the BB world.
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Ball State OOC so far, interesting to see some of the numbers involved

IUPUI (Home; Dec. 7, 2019)

Ball State is paying IUPUI $27,500 for this game (as well as the one in 2017). The Cardinals have won the last two meetings, including 85-75 last season on the road.

Georgia Tech (Away; Dec. 18, 2019)

Ball State will make $90,000 from this trip to ACC country, a guarantee as part of the Diamond Head Classic (see below).

Howard (Home; Nov. 23, 2019)

Ball State paid $75,000 to Howard last year and $50,000 this year. The Cardinals won last season's game by 27.

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Did you know? There were 8 teams in the NET top 50 that did not make the 2019 NCAA tournament: NC State (33), Clemson (35), Texas (38), Furman (41), Memphis (46), Nebraska (48), Lipscomb (49), Penn St (50) 1/2

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Meanwhile, there were 6 teams ranked 55 or lower in the NET who did receive at-large bids: Ohio St (55), Temple (56), Seton Hall (57), Minnesota (61), Arizona St (63), St. John's (73) What's the difference between Group A and Group B? Scheduling. #ScheduleSmarter 2/2
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Did you know? There were 8 teams in the NET top 50 that did not make the 2019 NCAA tournament: NC State (33), Clemson (35), Texas (38), Furman (41), Memphis (46), Nebraska (48), Lipscomb (49), Penn St (50) 1/2

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Meanwhile, there were 6 teams ranked 55 or lower in the NET who did receive at-large bids: Ohio St (55), Temple (56), Seton Hall (57), Minnesota (61), Arizona St (63), St. John's (73) What's the difference between Group A and Group B? Scheduling. #ScheduleSmarter 2/2
I can see the knock on the Power 5 schools. How do Furman and Lipscomb schedule smarter?
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Did you know? There were 8 teams in the NET top 50 that did not make the 2019 NCAA tournament: NC State (33), Clemson (35), Texas (38), Furman (41), Memphis (46), Nebraska (48), Lipscomb (49), Penn St (50) 1/2

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Meanwhile, there were 6 teams ranked 55 or lower in the NET who did receive at-large bids: Ohio St (55), Temple (56), Seton Hall (57), Minnesota (61), Arizona St (63), St. John's (73) What's the difference between Group A and Group B? Scheduling. #ScheduleSmarter 2/2

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The takeaway for me is that bottom of the barrel B1G teams Penn State and Nebraska are Quadrant 1 road wins

11 out of the 14 teams in the Big 10 would be Quad 1 road wins. The other 3 are Quad 2. All 10 games a Big 10 team would have played on the road in conference would count for a quality win.

How can anyone in the A10 compete with that? The deck is so far stacked in the favor of a conference like the Big 10 of getting Quad 1/2 wins
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In the past five seasons, only three times has a team from outside the ACC, American, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten, Pac-12, Mountain West, Atlantic 10 and West Coast Conference earned an at-large bid. In 2020, I predict we'll have two programs from outside those nine leagues (AKA: the multi-bid conferences) break on through.

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In the past five seasons, only three times has a team from outside the ACC, American, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten, Pac-12, Mountain West, Atlantic 10 and West Coast Conference earned an at-large bid. In 2020, I predict we'll have two programs from outside those nine leagues (AKA: the multi-bid conferences) break on through.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...019-20-season/
What conferences/teams are you thinking?
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What conferences/teams are you thinking?
Good question...ESPN would seem to point to New Mexico State-WAC, Western Kentucky-CUSA, Liberty-Atlantic Sun, or Harvard-Ivy, all 12 seeds.

Hard to see that happening. WKU and Harvard are the only 2 that would seem to have an ooc schedule that would provide enough opportunities to get an at-large bid.

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What conferences/teams are you thinking?
One of them might be Vermont. We need to get these guys on our schedule.

https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/17800:

Vermont has dominated the America East lately. They have won the outright regular season title three years in a row and have gone 45-3 in conference play during that span. Another conference title seems extremely likely and this is a Catamounts team that could be eyeing an at-large bid should they happen to stumble in the conference tournament. But there is a long way to go before the Catamounts can start worrying about that.
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Going to 20 league games will not help the MWC get more teams in the NCAA Tournament because that doesn't necessarily guarantee more Quad 1 chances.

Example: Atlantic 10

2013: 5 NCAA bids
2014: 6 NCAA bids
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No more than 3 NCAA bids since.

Agree with more conference games only hurting

One of the changes the WCC made to keep Gonzaga was cutting the number of conference games by 2
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I like Jon, but he's looked at this from the tail of the snake rather than the head. The MWC is not going to 20 games because they want to, they are doing it because they have to. They aren't necessarily looking to increase NCAA bids -- they are merely looking to hold on to the bids they currently have. Big difference.

For most MWC teams, they do not have close to the non-con scheduling pull of a program like Dayton so they are in even more dire straits scheduling-wise. The likelihood most of those member schools can continue to schedule better out-of-conference with those two games rather than simply expanding the league schedule by two games is probably wishful thinking.

The Mountain West is not pursuing conference expansion for the same reason the ACC, Big10, and Big East are. The power conferences did so as a proactive measure to insulate themselves and keep the metrics away from others. The MWC has elected to do so in a reactionary move to mitigate damage. But not for the expanding power conference seasons, the Mountain West would have likely not made the decision at all.

Rothstein should have made these distinctions much clearer because from 30,000ft, his Tweet makes it sound like the smaller conferences are pursuing the same course for the same outcome. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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There's a very, very simple solution here: the MWC and the A10 should be doing a scheduling arrangement wherein each conference reserves two late-season dates on their schedules to attempt to gain additional quad 1 and 2 opportunities for their top six teams. One home and one away game for each, matched against similar-ranked opponents from the other conference. The other conference. A team like Dayton or Utah State could play 16 conference games plus two conference-scheduled games vs. MWC opponents.

Those that don't make the cut to get into the inter-conference challenge could play fellow conference members- a team like Fordham or San Jose State could play 18 conference games.

Yes, it would create unbalanced conference records, but outside of the top 6, does that really matter? Yes, it would create holes in the schedule with TBD games, but shouldn't it be enough to know that on February 17, you're playing "home game TBD" and February 24 is "road game TBD?"

I'd schedule them primarily on weekends to ease the travel burden for cross country travel.

I'd take it a step further if I were king. I'd make the conference schedule 14 games (13 round robin plus one rivalry matchup), plus two more TBD conference games played late in the season to create the best possible matchups, plus 2-4 inter-conference arranged games like I described above.
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- URI plays an #A10MBB-high 13 KenPom preseason top-100 opponents.

- Davidson and St. Joseph's each play 12. (Brutal schedule for Billy Lange in his first year with the rebuilding Hawks. Mercy.)

- VCU and UMass each play 11.

Dayton has maybe 11 depending on what happens in Maui.

These numbers may change depending on what happens in exempt tourneys.
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Nevada basketball's non-conference schedule will cost the team only $200,000,

http://nevadasportsnet.com/news/repo...cost-it-200000

Nevada being a public university is subject to open records requests on its schedule

Wolf pack are getting 15k to play a neutral site game against St Mary’s in the Warriors new arena

They’re paying 82k in hotel fees to play in the Paradise Jam exempt tourney. Not 100% sure but I think the ESPN sponsored tourneys pay UD vs costing

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Scheduling has become major problem in Mountain West

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Mountain West schools are facing the same scheduling issues. 20 game conference schedule possible
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From our #Badgers special section: How analytics play a big role in how UW puts together its non-conference schedule.

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Scheduling has become major problem in Mountain West

https://www.abqjournal.com/1380971/s...em-in-mwc.html

Mountain West schools are facing the same scheduling issues. 20 game conference schedule possible
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Here's a look at SMU's scheduling dilemma from an insider :

"Right now SMU's nonconference schedule ranks number 340 in the nation out of 353 teams. It's nearly impossible to get an at-large berth to the NCAA tournament with that bad of a nonconference schedule. So the question is, will it schedule itself in a holiday tournament or some kind of competitive multi team event? It needs to do something because the NCAA tournament berth is at stake."

Well, for starters that train for next year has left the station. That would have been pretty good thinking 5 years ago.
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Dayton's ability to be competitive, and have a strong fan presence at the Thanksgiving tournys is a life saver. This year is a perfect example of the benefits to be had.
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Mountain West is headed to a 20 game conference schedule
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The vote was 7-4, so there was definitely some dissension in the ranks in the MW.
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According to an article I read, San Diego St, UNLV, Nevada and Air Force voted against. Another coach was against it, but couldn't convince his AD to vote against it.
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SMU (Southern Methodist) basketball has announced their non-conference basketball schedule. They proudly announced that they landed two “BIG FISH” on the schedule. Those two big fish are Arizona State and Dayton. I got a kick out of reading the reference to Dayton as a big fish.
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SMU (Southern Methodist) basketball has announced their non-conference basketball schedule. They proudly announced that they landed two “BIG FISH” on the schedule. Those two big fish are Arizona State and Dayton. I got a kick out of reading the reference to Dayton as a big fish.
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Pretty cool but ultimately meaningless. The odds that we play our OOC as scheduled are pretty low at this point.
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Here's how men's basketball game contracts have changed during the pandemic
Some force majeure clauses have quadrupled in size, while financial guarantees are down by as much as 30 to 50 percent

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SMU (Southern Methodist) basketball has announced their non-conference basketball schedule. They proudly announced that they landed two “BIG FISH” on the schedule. Those two big fish are Arizona State and Dayton. I got a kick out of reading the reference to Dayton as a big fish.
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Their ooc schedule was so pitiful last year that it kept them out of the NCAA Tourney.

We are a prize marlin next to that lineup. SMU got the message loud and clear, and they have already lost several teams that would have been an upgrade. Their Coach has to be
sweating bullets as we speak. He does not want to lose us.
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