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I gotta wonder if there's no campus visits before the October signing period whether that makes it harder to close the deal on out of state recruits
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I believe the inability to get kids on campus is killing us across the board with both transfers and HS kids. You can't feel "family" on a zoom call.
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I gotta wonder if there's no campus visits before the October signing period whether that makes it harder to close the deal on out of state recruits
It hasn't seemed to slow a good deal of the competition. It's early-ish in the 2021 cycle (and it may be a prolonged cycle due to COVID), but the Flyer recruiting machine is hardly cranking at full throttle.

Hugely important class replacing Crutcher, Watson, Chatman and Tshimanga, and tons of minutes to advertise with very few of the 2021-22 minutes spoken for. Coming off a mammoth season that saw tons of on-the-court success, lots of press and the national POY and COY, and they have nothing to show for it. And outside Malachi Smith (himself a legacy) not in especially great position for any big name players.

I like that the staff works slowly and clearly does serious homework on recruits' makeup and families, but you'd think the Obi spot would generate some massive interest from top-100 players. You'd think the Scoochie-Crutcher role would also be pretty attractive.

Love Grant, ecstatic with the program right now, but I'm hoping we can start cashing in soon. Would love to see Malachi on board soon, followed by some size.
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It hasn't seemed to slow a good deal of the competition. It's early-ish in the 2021 cycle (and it may be a prolonged cycle due to COVID), but the Flyer recruiting machine is hardly cranking at full throttle.

Hugely important class replacing Crutcher, Watson, Chatman and Tshimanga, and tons of minutes to advertise with very few of the 2021-22 minutes spoken for. Coming off a mammoth season that saw tons of on-the-court success, lots of press and the national POY and COY, and they have nothing to show for it. And outside Malachi Smith (himself a legacy) not in especially great position for any big name players.

I like that the staff works slowly and clearly does serious homework on recruits' makeup and families, but you'd think the Obi spot would generate some massive interest from top-100 players. You'd think the Scoochie-Crutcher role would also be pretty attractive.

Love Grant, ecstatic with the program right now, but I'm hoping we can start cashing in soon. Would love to see Malachi on board soon, followed by some size.
I don't think any program suffered more than Dayton with Covid. Absolutely killed recruiting and tournament exposure and a possible NC.
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I don't think any program suffered more than Dayton with Covid. Absolutely killed recruiting and tournament exposure and a possible NC.
Agree X100. It also hurt some of our players’ exposure for pro opportunities. Depending on where Obi ends up in the draft, possibly even Obi, which just seems crazy to those of us who have watched him the last two season. But it underscores the depth of the hit to this program. Year after year, recruit after recruit, across all sports, the way we beat P5 programs out of top recruits is our family feel when they get on campus. We don’t have that card to play right now.
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA View Post
Agree X100. It also hurt some of our players’ exposure for pro opportunities. Depending on where Obi ends up in the draft, possibly even Obi, which just seems crazy to those of us who have watched him the last two season. But it underscores the depth of the hit to this program. Year after year, recruit after recruit, across all sports, the way we beat P5 programs out of top recruits is our family feel when they get on campus. We don’t have that card to play right now.
At a certain point, we need to get beyond the lamenting.

What if is an easy game to play and is rarely of any value. I believe we would have won the national championship or at least gotten to the Final Four and there is no way to disprove it. Most if not on this board probably agree. But what if we lost in second weekend? I know; that wouldn't have happened. But it could have; statistically more than 2 of the number 1 seeds have made the Final Four approximately 14% of the time.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...A%20tournament.

Don't get me wrong, I definitely want us getting that chance.

What if Obi got injured? How would that have impacted our tournament or his draft position? The reality is the lack of tournament is more likely to have solidified his draft stock than hurt it. He was often described as a great teammate. The mock drafts often refer to him as a safe top ten pick. Where he goes is probably going to be much more impacted by the needs of the teams picking then the lack of tournament exposure.

The coaching staff has more to build on than any time in the last 50 years. Yes, they need to overcome an unprecedented obstacle. But that is what they need to do. The lack of a real campus visit definitely hurts. I doubt AG has transitioned from an amazing season to a woe is me offseason. We shouldn't either.
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I don’t share your false optimism or positive illusion when it comes to the flyers. Been burned too many times. When we garner one player out the 100 we look at, that’s bad. I love our coach and AD, but we may have a couple rough years ahead without more talent coming in—and soon.
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Blair Academy (N.J) big Lual Manyang has only been playing basketball for three years, but in that time, he’s emerged as a high-major prospect in the Class of 2022.

Manyang, a 6-foot-11, 206-pound center, currently holds offers from Bryant, UMass, George Mason, UNC Charlotte, NJIT, Saint Louis, La Salle and Manhattan.

He is also receiving interest from Texas, West Virginia, Iona, Dayton, Elon.


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Blair academy, home of Chris Alvarez if I recall correctly.
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did a quick search to jog my memory and see if that was correct and stumbled across this:


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Interesting podcast from Chris on his time growing up, going to Blair, going to Dayton, Northeastern and transitioning to live after college. Represents himself well, sounds like he's doing well post college.
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I don’t share your false optimism or positive illusion when it comes to the flyers. Been burned too many times. When we garner one player out the 100 we look at, that’s bad. I love our coach and AD, but we may have a couple rough years ahead without more talent coming in—and soon.
but optimism isn't actually false at all.
Optimism is a feeling here, that we
are in good hands with the best coach in America..

I trust in coach Grant

if that is false optimism, then so be it

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I don’t share your false optimism or positive illusion when it comes to the flyers. Been burned too many times. When we garner one player out the 100 we look at, that’s bad. I love our coach and AD, but we may have a couple rough years ahead without more talent coming in—and soon.
I can appreciate the historical point. There is a difference today that will need more seasoning before Flyer fans buy all in. The next 1-3 years will play out and we’ll all know if it’s bankable.

That difference is AG & Staff’s ability to find and land the skill sets and athleticism in a recruit to fit their system and then the ability to develop those players.

That’s what they accomplished last year. No one in our starting line up was an elite - everyone was after them - recruit out of high school. The closest was our 6th man Ibi and then Crutcher. (Johnson is also in that elite category, but injury has impacted his college career and the jury is still out.) Clutch and Ibi should have monster years this year, but it’s the development of the next 4-6 players that will tell us how great AG &Staff are at finding the right recruits to fit their system. That group includes Chatman, Jordy, Moulaye, Zimi and a freshman or two coming in ready to contribute.

We are replacing roles, leadership and offensive and defensive contributions.

Obi - I think Ibi and Johnson can do that. It will be a little different, but it might be harder to defend because it’s two players to stop vs. one.

Trey - I think Jordy and Moulaye will need to step up to take over Trey’s blue-collar roles for rebounds and defense. I consider this the biggest question mark. Johnson might also play big here.

Ryan - I think Crutcher already took on the “ glue” duties at the end of last year, so we need to replace Ryan’s offense and defense. This will be Zimi and the incoming freshman challenge.

Somewhere in this mix Chatman needs to be factored in. We all saw him take it to a new level the last third of the year. I believe a big part of that was AG finding a way to “encourage” him to get there. As a junior, if Chatman finds yet another higher gear, AG’s management of his development will be even more crystal clear.

The next 2-3 years will tell us a lot about AG & Co. I don’t believe last years team and the development of Obi was a one-hit wonder. I think there is more coming.
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Becky, I think you hit on a true key to the season when discussing Chatman.

I think he struggled a bit last year as he transitioned from being “the guy“ on a smaller stage to being a very important cog of a well oiled machine. As you indicated, he seemed to settle into his role the last third of last years season. Now that he is comfortable with his role, I think we’re going to see a much improved player.

Similarly, Dwayne Cohill got over the hump mentally last year (it wasn’t pretty at times) and I think he will improve significantly as well. Hopefully he has worked on his three point shooting.

If in the past (not counting last year) you told me UD would have 3 fifth yr seniors who all played significant minutes, a returning first team all A10 player who will be a senior, two juniors who were both top 100 recruits, and two redshirt freshmen who have learned in the system for a season, I’d be beyond excited for the start of the season. That’s not even counting the incoming freshmen. That is a lineup better than almost any season in the past 20 years. The A10 will be strong this year but this team will be right in the thick of it.
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I think he struggled a bit last year as he transitioned from being “the guy“ on a smaller stage to being a very important cog of a well oiled machine. As you indicated, he seemed to settle into his role the last third of last years season. Now that he is comfortable with his role, I think we’re going to see a much improved player.

Similarly, Dwayne Cohill got over the hump mentally last year (it wasn’t pretty at times) and I think he will improve significantly as well. Hopefully he has worked on his three point shooting.
I would agree with both of these comments, but next season, everyone's role will change, and some might change dramatically. Last year soley revolved around Obi where Obi dominated and that in turn took pressure off other players. Next year it's going to need to be a complete team effort. The sooner players can step up and adjust to that, and the sooner we can identify weaknesses that need to be corrected or compensated for, the better off we will be. This year will not be a continuation of last year.
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Springboard - agree 100% with Cohill. I did not mean to leave him out. He will be critical in giving both Crutcher and Chatman spells. Ibi was our clear 6th man last year. This year I think we will have 2-3 guys that fill that role, based on position. 1 Big. 1 Guard/Point (Cohill). 1 Guard/Forward.

As we have seen, AGs offense is position-less for the most part, but you still need a designated point guard on the floor and with Jordy you still have an old-fashioned big. How creative AG got with everything else last year was magic. I think it will be even more so this coming year with the roster filled with even more interchangeable parts.

And I think this sums up the development talent I think we have on this coaching staff...last year at this time there were posters saying if Trey and Ryan were starting, we were in trouble. Not really an indictment on their abilities as much as expecting more from the transfers. Well Trey and Ryan put in the work and had a staff bringing them along. Nobody would have said a year ago Trey and a Ryan could play pro overseas. Trey is there and I expect Ryan to get there. That’s young men wanting something and a staff that can help them get there. And I wouldn’t exactly say either are extremely athletic. I will use that term for several guys available to AG this year. Will be fun to watch how they develop and use all that athleticism. We saw what they did with Obi’s talents. I expect there will be a couple guys lining up for the opportunity to showcase their own breakaway dunks.

I do agree it will be different, but I doubt AG is going to change the system. Most of these guys have two years under that system. I expect to see the fourth year evolution of that system which will show us more of what can be done within it based on your personnel. We certainly saw an evolution between the 2nd year and last year (the 3rd year).

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Becky, I concur with your comments above.

I think that the biggest risk is replacing Landers/Mikesell with Zimi. I have heard nothing about his development in the off-season.
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How Can Anyone Develop

their basketball skills during this off season? Maintenance would be good.
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Don't need a hoop or a court to improve your skills. Strength conditioning could be an issue, but if a player was so inclined they could spend hours with a ball and a 4 foot square piece of pavement and improve their ball handling skills a bunch. I'm guessing most have access to a hoop in some form or fashion and likely an indoor court as well. HS might have been closed, but I'm guessing most would look the other way if an alum playing on a D1 scholarship showed up by themselves or with a family member to shoot around each day for a few hours.
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Improving Your Skills

"Don't need a hoop or a court to improve your skills. "

Yes, there are obstacles this year that makes things more difficult, or at least a lot less cushy.

Reminds me of one of my life stories. Back many many years ago when I was still dark haired and thin, I was the director of a small three room recreation center out by the VA. The playground had a dilapidated old hoop with a broken down chain link basket. The surface of the playground was old, not unsafe, but old and cracked.

My office overlooked that playground. Every day I saw a young high school kid practicing free throws . . . every day, one after another for about two hours. This was in the days of Roth's basketball glory. After months of watching this young man, I finally asked one of the kids who he was. He said "You don't know???? That's Donald Smith!!!! "

Where there's a will there's a way.
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4 star 2021 Forward Robbie Armbrester tells me he’s received interest recently from Dayton, Ole Miss, Kansas State, Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia.

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but optimism isn't actually false at all.
Optimism is a feeling here, that we
are in good hands with the best coach in America..

I trust in coach Grant

if that is false optimism, then so be it

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Musselman at Arkansas just got a commit from #40, Chance Moore. He is their fifth straight Top100 commitment. They may be a Top 10 team whenever they start playing again.
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Anybody else feeling pretty good about Duncan Powell? He posted "Let's Fly" on IG in response to a UD BBall post yesterday.
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