MD Gone

ud69 · #1 06-10-2013, 11:18 AM

http://daytonflyers.com/news/?article_id=9974

IAFlyer · #2 06-10-2013, 11:24 AM

I thought we would be more of a contributor this year. That transfer didn't work out too well for us.

Sea Bass · #3 06-10-2013, 11:25 AM

not surprised. I thought he would leave after next year where if he graduated he could transfer and play immediately. I was having a hard time envisioning him and Gavs getting a lot of PT next season.

NovaFlyer · #4 06-10-2013, 11:27 AM

Shoot, he was a fan favorite from long range...

Sea Bass · #5 06-10-2013, 11:28 AM

He was a good shooter but unfortunately showed little else. IMO he was likely to be the 12th or 13th man in a 10 or 11 man rotation.

TA111 · #6 06-10-2013, 11:31 AM

Not really that surprised. Would be tough for him to get many minutes at the 3 spot. You've got Pierre, Oliver and the freshman at the 3 this year.

Alberto Strasse · #7 06-10-2013, 12:00 PM

I wish MD the best. With lots of talent coming in his pt was going to be as limited as his game.

Medford · #8 06-10-2013, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by TA111

Not really that surprised. Would be tough for him to get many minutes at the 3 spot. You've got Pierre, Oliver and the freshman at the 3 this year.

Not to mention potentially Siebert or Sanford working in time at the 3 spot.

I'm not surprised, didn't seem like he was in line for a ton of playing time, but when he made it this far, I figured perhaps he was sticking around to at least get his degree.

anyhoo, good luck to the man, hope everything works out.

AC91 · #9 06-10-2013, 12:14 PM

I wonder if he'll move down a division. if he transfers to another D1 school it will only leave him one year available after he sits out, right? Just seems surprising unless he simply just got homesick.

number21 · #10 06-10-2013, 12:18 PM

I'm sad to see him go. He could stretch a defense and was always spirited on the bench.

I don't think Archie knew how to utilize him. UD needed to actually run some plays for him . Archie needed to watch film of how Boston ran plays for Ray Allen by running him baseline and rubbing off a couple picks to get open.

TA111 · #11 06-10-2013, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by number21

I'm sad to see him go. He could stretch a defense and was always spirited on the bench.

I don't think Archie knew how to utilize him. UD needed to actually run some plays for him . Archie needed to watch film of how Boston ran plays for Ray Allen by running him baseline and rubbing off a couple picks to get open.

Unfortunately Matt is slow-footed and couldn't keep up with the 3's on opposing teams. I think his D kept him on the bench more than anything else.

Gazoo · #12 06-10-2013, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by number21

I'm sad to see him go. He could stretch a defense and was always spirited on the bench.

I don't think Archie knew how to utilize him. UD needed to actually run some plays for him . Archie needed to watch film of how Boston ran plays for Ray Allen by running him baseline and rubbing off a couple picks to get open.

MD needed to watch some film of how when Ray Allen gets the ball, he shoots.

axehandle · #13 06-10-2013, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by TA111

Not really that surprised. Would be tough for him to get many minutes at the 3 spot. You've got Pierre, Oliver and the freshman at the 3 this year.

I really only seen Oliver as a PF this year. Perhaps Pollard poses a bigger threat to his minutes. I am concerned about our outside scoring though. Pierre and maybe Sanford are our only proven outside shooters.

springborofan · #14 06-10-2013, 12:51 PM

Hate to see Matt go. It seemed like he just never got over the hump from his early year concussion. I do agree his minutes were going to be limited this year. I see AM using Seibert/Sanford taking up minutes at the 3 along with Pierre.

So...AM either has 4 scholarships for next year or he can look at the available transfer list and see if anyone fits into the plans. If I were AM, I'd be very discriminating when looking at the available transfers this late...better to hold the scholarship--or give it to one of the walk-on's for the upcoming year.

TA111 · #15 06-10-2013, 12:52 PM

Actually, with MK back, I suspect Robinson will back to the 4 and Oliver will spend some time at the 3.

Chris R · #16 06-10-2013, 01:06 PM

I think Matt would have gotten quality PT. You can never have enough shooters. Devin is not a shooter. Sibert has sat out a season and will have rust.

MDs defense was nothing to grow fond of, but so is everyone else's. I think this loss hurts UD. Once again, we'll be down on numbers.

rollo · #17 06-10-2013, 01:14 PM

Matt was soft and 1-dimensional...why he was even recruited to UD screams 'desperation'...I'm not even sure the staff watched film of him before offering.

Radar · #18 06-10-2013, 01:18 PM

His one dimension was superior to a few of our other "one dimensional" players.

axehandle · #19 06-10-2013, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by rollo

Matt was soft and 1-dimensional...why he was even recruited to UD screams 'desperation'...I'm not even sure the staff watched film of him before offering.

Exactly, they Were desperate two years ago.

UD62 · #20 06-10-2013, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Chris R

I think Matt would have gotten quality PT. You can never have enough shooters. Devin is not a shooter. Sibert has sat out a season and will have rust.

MDs defense was nothing to grow fond of, but so is everyone else's. I think this loss hurts UD. Once again, we'll be down on numbers.

Already building excuses for next year. Hard for me to believe that losing what would probably be out 12th man will impact us much at all. Way too much younger talent. Wish Matt well, but see this as minimal impact on the program.

Buster Goode · #21 06-10-2013, 02:02 PM

he looks to be 28 when he graduates....

I'd take his shooting - can never have enough shooters.

axehandle · #22 06-10-2013, 02:41 PM

What I don't get is the timing. Most players who transfer announce their intentions soon after the season. Of course he did a similar thing once before.

oldfan · #23 06-10-2013, 02:50 PM

I think Matt knew DP was the SF of the future and he being a year ahead of him that his chances of starting would be limited. He no doubt considers his shooting as a strength but would like to be considered an all round player.

Not being at the practices I can not say his use on game day was wrong. But it seemed Matt had a much better than average basketball IQ. When on the court he seemed to have a much better sense of what was going on than some of the other UD players on the court last year. That said his play deteriorated toward the end of last year. Matt was used differently than Dayshon even though they played the same position. Whereas Dayshon would attack the basket for the rebound after a shot Matt would retreat. I have to believe that this was at the coaching staff direction. Perhaps they did not have faith in his rebounding. It also appears that he was not given the green light to slash to the basket. If I was Matt and thought I could be a complete basketball player then I would hate to be on the Flyer team.

As a player who was one of the top five in Louisiana the year he graduated high school and the fact that he started at LSU his freshman year would indicate to me that he was considered more than just a shooter by coaches and scouts. I believe his chance to show off his complete skill set was stunted at UD and would be limited in the future.

I wish him the best of luck wherever he goes.

rollo · #24 06-10-2013, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Buster Goode

he looks to be 28 when he graduates....

I'd take his shooting - can never have enough shooters.

Does the Betty Ford Clinic have a basketball team??

BallgameJohnny · #25 06-10-2013, 03:15 PM

I liked Matt and sad to see him go. Rollo this whole team is soft and 1 dimensional, why single Matt out?

Why people think this team is loaded with talent is beyond me...

steve · #26 06-10-2013, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by UD62

Already building excuses for next year. Hard for me to believe that losing what would probably be out 12th man will impact us much at all. Way too much younger talent. Wish Matt well, but see this as minimal impact on the program.

You go find me another player who actually "has" proven he can knock down big shots and fuel momentum to spark runs or knock down shots with 3-4 on the shot clock. To say this is no big deal or accuse someone of making excuses is just plain ignorant. Could there be someone(s) down the line to take over his role and maybe be even better? Maybe so but as of today, 6-10, UD is not in a better position than they were 24 hours ago or whenever he announced the decision.

Sea Bass · #27 06-10-2013, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by steve

You go find me another player who actually "has" proven he can knock down big shots and fuel momentum to spark runs or knock down shots with 3-4 on the shot clock.

Dyshawn Pierre is the only player on the team that did it last year (that includes the now departed Derenbecker).

Gilchrist's Autograph 2 · #28 06-10-2013, 04:14 PM

I was definitely looking forward to the depth and flexibility at that position. We had the perfect mix of talents to utilize. If there are no injuries, we can manage because it was looking like very limited overall minutes for MD but it definitely has some negative impact. I am not one to judge his decision at all - but it has to be tough for the kid to move around so much - or feel like he has to. Best of luck Matt - you will be missed by basketball fans.

Pierre, Oliver, Pollard and Sibert still give us some good options.
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San Diego Flyer · #29 06-10-2013, 04:48 PM

I think this speaks to the future of Miller basketball. If Archie is doing his rebuilding job, the new recruits will show SOME of the upperclassmen that their playing time will diminish. Then there is a decision to be made. Do I want to get less minutes on a better team?? Or do I just want floor time because I'm not going to make a living at basketball after graduation?

The one thing Matt brought to the table is that he could change the momentum of a losing game in 2 minutes if he was hot. Not everyone can do that. But if Arch is following the script, he will replace Matt with a better all-around body and talent. Same decision could be facing Gavs. Recall that Arch had very little time to snag extra bodies for his first season. From what I have read, we have bigger fish on the line and the scholly won't go wanting.

bcross · #30 06-10-2013, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Chris R

MDs defense was nothing to grow fond of, but so is everyone else's. I think this loss hurts UD. Once again, we'll be down on numbers.

We now have an open scholarship, but with 12 scholarship players eligible to play this year already in the fold, we definitely won't be down on numbers.

DallasFlyer · #31 06-10-2013, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by axehandle

What I don't get is the timing. Most players who transfer announce their intentions soon after the season. Of course he did a similar thing once before.

Right, you are. I think the aspect of Matt's game that he actually improved upon the most was his ability to transfer. At LSU, he was a starter as a freshman and played well but he couldn't figure out how to transfer until August. At Dayton, he was at least able to figure it out by June. Unfortunately he has much room for improvement still. As you point out, most players announce intentions to transfer in April which puts him well below average.

Fudd · #32 06-10-2013, 05:56 PM

I was never overly impressed with Derenbecker's all-around game. He could shoot though. And I always like a few of those shooting specialists on the bench. He might have been somewhat 1-dimensional as a player, but I don't want to lose too much 3pt shooting players and become 1-dimensional as a team.

As far as excuses go, this card will surely be played if it cannot be blamed on BG.

Gazoo · #33 06-10-2013, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by rollo

Matt was soft and 1-dimensional...why he was even recruited to UD screams 'desperation'...I'm not even sure the staff watched film of him before offering.

There's never been a decent A10 team, certainly not one that ever made an NCAA run, that had a slow, undersized kid who could shoot the lights out when open and act as a scary zone-buster.

(cough) (Redford) (cough)

That's too big of a one-dimensional liability for a top team. We have to let kids like this go and leave the scholarship open if we're going to win the A10.

(cough) (_avier) (cough)

UDDoug · #34 06-10-2013, 06:10 PM

A little surprising only from the standpoint that if goes D1 he sits out another year, and I would guess he's going D2 to play two years. He could have a monster year in D2 at his size.

SeasonTicketFan · #35 06-10-2013, 06:47 PM

Timing is very bad in terms of recruiting a replacement. If he did not want to return, early April would have been a better time to decide for UD's perspective.

Flyer2 · #36 06-10-2013, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan

Timing is very bad in terms of recruiting a replacement. If he did not want to return, early April would have been a better time to decide for UD's perspective.

Maybe he was talking to Trent Meachum?

Gilchrist's Autograph 2 · #37 06-10-2013, 09:57 PM

Not sure it is really that bad in this case since we have 12 scholarships eligible to play and have not signed anyone for 2014 yet. I am sure we have openings for 4 and we probably have the ability to leave one open for a transfer next year or to carry over. I am getting excited to see the first commitment for 2014
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TheDuke2003 · #38 06-10-2013, 10:33 PM

Not surprised really, Kavs coming back really ate into what could have been his niche as a bench 3 with Oliver taking more minutes at the 4. Barring injury, pt will be at a premium next year. I wish him well, he never lacked for effort. I'd guess that puts next years depth chart as:

PG: Khari Price, Dayshon Smith, Kyle Davis
G: Vee Sanford, Jordan Siebert, (Kyle Davis)
F: Dyshaun Pierre, Devin Oliver (6th man, 20-25 mpg), Kendall Pollard
F: Jalen Robinson, (Devon Scott), (Devin Oliver), (Kendall Pollard)
F: Matt Kavanaugh, Devon Scott, (Jalen Robinson), Alex Gavrilovic

It seems set up for Gavs to be looking at the least amount of PT, then Pollard and one of Davis or Smith depending on performance. The freshman could possibly force more pt for themselves if they can have similar freshman years to Pierre.

AustinFlyer · #39 06-10-2013, 10:42 PM

I think his girlfriend goes to LSU, so that could be a reason for wanting to be closer to home.

Matt seemed like a good guy. I wish him well.

ClaytonFlyerFan · #40 06-11-2013, 06:58 AM

First of all, if a kid is not happy, and has a hard time ever being loyal to a team, as demonstrated by this being the second time he has transfered, good bye. I have no idea what the problem was, and hope it was not the concussion affects all season long, but Matt appeared lost on defense, and his foot speed and reaction time was poor.

In the back of my mind, I wonder if more to this story than any of us know? Weird that a kid would transfer a second time and lose a year of eligibility.

Several decent names out there we could pick up as a late transfer. Occasionally a good transfer does come along (hoping Jordan Siebert is one). Worse case, one more scholly to work with going forward. We have 12 guys this year, so we are still 2 ahead of a year ago, correct?

Good luck to MD wherever you land. Hopefully you find happiness and success.

San Diego Flyer · #41 06-11-2013, 08:56 AM

Posters are making waay too much over his announcing in June. Miller was gracious about the announcement and they were both kissy-kissy because no doubt the two of them have been aware of, and working, this change for weeks. No surprise except to fans. As opposed to Gregory who was stone-cold blindsided by Trent (although intuitively he must have sensed the doom because he had a moping player).

I see Matt's dilemma as similar to Ralph Hill's. A few good pieces of talent wrapped around an overall D2 package. There are some periods in our history where both players would have stayed 4 years and played out their role. But Archie has promised us those periods are in the rear view mirror.

Sea Bass · #42 06-11-2013, 09:17 AM

Matt had a clear path to playing time when he transferred if he was up to the challenge. As it turned out Pierre went past him because he was not in shape (concussion) when practice started. By the time he got his legs it was clear that Pierre was a superior player. He now no longer had a path to lot of PT and that is the reason guys most often transfer.

ud2 · #43 06-21-2013, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Chris R

I think Matt would have gotten quality PT. You can never have enough shooters. Devin is not a shooter. Sibert has sat out a season and will have rust.

MDs defense was nothing to grow fond of, but so is everyone else's. I think this loss hurts UD. Once again, we'll be down on numbers.

I agree, I think this loss hurts UD, I would have liked to see him stay at least one more year at UD, graduate, and then if he wanted to transfer elsewhere in D1, he wouldn't have to sit out a year.

Originally Posted by rollo

Matt was soft and 1-dimensional...why he was even recruited to UD screams 'desperation'...I'm not even sure the staff watched film of him before offering.

Not sure how you can call landing a 4 star player "desperation"?

IMO, this was a very unusual development. A 4 star player transfers out after one year of playing and will be forced to go to a lower division unless he wants to lose a year of eligibility. This type of thing happening seems pretty much unheard of IMO.

This does worry me a little concerning AM's ability to develop highly rated players. It is certainly possible though that the recruiting evaluators were maybe a little off with their assessment, I didn't watch enough games to have an informed opinion. We'll see how Sibert does, Sanford had a good year.

If BG was still the coach, and this had happened, then I would view this occurrence as a negative event. So, I have to view this occurrence as a negative event with AM as coach.

axehandle · #44 06-21-2013, 07:40 PM

If Pierre, Sanford and Sibert can consistently shoot from the outside we will probably be OK without MD. If we only have one or two outside threats we definitely will miss him.

rollo · #45 06-21-2013, 08:08 PM

Once again the DDN is sitting on/ignoring a doozy of a story...if they'd just do their jobs we'd all understand better why Matt transferred...but UD doesn't need any more bad publicity...can't be a Top 100 University unless your peers think UD is next to heaven.

cj · #46 06-21-2013, 08:21 PM

All you have to do is pass the tests that you take. Whether you study or not.

ud2 · #47 06-21-2013, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by rollo

Once again the DDN is sitting on/ignoring a doozy of a story...if they'd just do their jobs we'd all understand better why Matt transferred...but UD doesn't need any more bad publicity...can't be a Top 100 University unless your peers think UD is next to heaven.

???

And I shouldn't have taken a shot at AM or MD or the recruiting evaluators with my last post. I don't think it is fair to judge a situation after only one year.

ud2 · #48 07-11-2013, 09:00 PM

Maybe this was already posted, but MD transferring to New Orleans.

https://twitter.com/Rome_Chandler/st...37135877566465

AustinFlyer · #49 07-11-2013, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by ud2

Maybe this was already posted, but MD transferring to New Orleans.

https://twitter.com/Rome_Chandler/st...37135877566465

They're D1, right? If so Matt has to sit out next year, then has what, one more year of eligibility?

ud2 · #50 07-12-2013, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by AustinFlyer

They're D1, right? If so Matt has to sit out next year, then has what, one more year of eligibility?

Yes, they are D1. I assume that he will only have one year of eligibility remaining since he is going to have to sit out another transfer year.

But, this thread is saying that he is going to file for a hardship exemption and expects to be able to play immediately.

I don't know what the hardship is, maybe a family member or relative is having medical problems. He would receive an exemption since he can say that the reason he is transferring is to be closer to that person.

FWIW, the NCAA does grant these type of exemptions, I'm not sure how often these type of exemptions are given though, I'd imagine being granted this type of exemption is rare.

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p...ng-to-UNO.aspx

ud2 · #51 07-12-2013, 01:09 AM

And FWIW, it looks like the NCAA approves around 50% of all hardship waiver requests, so it looks like he has a 50% chance of playing in 2013-2014.

A hardship waiver is:

"for student-athletes who are compelled to transfer because of financial hardship, or an injury or illness to the student-athlete or a member of their family."

In the case of a sick family member, it looks like you have to transfer to a school that is within 100 miles of the home of the sick family member. Also:

In addition, the player must provide medical documentation that the family member’s illness is “debilitating and requires ongoing medical care” and the player must be involved in “regular, ongoing caregiving responsibilities.”

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspor...nsfer-players/

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...rdship-waivers

ud2 · #52 07-19-2013, 03:09 PM

MD is officially seeking a hardship waiver so that he doesn't have to sit out a year.

"(New Orleans)Privateers Coach Mark Slessinger said that the school would appeal to the NCAA to waive the rule requiring transfers to sit out a season because of an unspecified hardship."

http://www.sportsnola.com/sports/uno...rs-to-uno.html

http://theadvocate.com/sports/states...ransferring-to

rollo · #53 07-19-2013, 03:14 PM

Whiz a yittle bit of time I cood've helpt da young Derenbecker man who most obviously needs to get tightah wif his muddah.

DallasFlyer · #54 07-19-2013, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by ud2

And FWIW, it looks like the NCAA approves around 50% of all hardship waiver requests, so it looks like he has a 50% chance of playing in 2013-2014.

A hardship waiver is:

"for student-athletes who are compelled to transfer because of financial hardship, or an injury or illness to the student-athlete or a member of their family."

In the case of a sick family member, it looks like you have to transfer to a school that is within 100 miles of the home of the sick family member. Also:

In addition, the player must provide medical documentation that the family member’s illness is “debilitating and requires ongoing medical care” and the player must be involved in “regular, ongoing caregiving responsibilities.”

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspor...nsfer-players/

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...rdship-waivers

Not saying this applies to Matt, but hypothetically, I wonder if a player could claim hardship for illness in the form of their own addiction or even something like chronic depression. If he made the claim that his illness would be best treated with the intervention and support of caregivers and family, could the NCAA go for that?

Smitty10 · #55 07-19-2013, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer

Not saying this applies to Matt, but hypothetically, I wonder if a player could claim hardship for illness in the form of their own addiction or even something like chronic depression. If he made the claim that his illness would be best treated with the intervention and support of caregivers and family, could the NCAA go for that?

I imagine the NCAAA would say something like "then why the heck are you worried about playing basketball next season".

College B-Ball Fan · #56 07-19-2013, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer

Not saying this applies to Matt, but hypothetically, I wonder if a player could claim hardship for illness in the form of their own addiction or even something like chronic depression. If he made the claim that his illness would be best treated with the intervention and support of caregivers and family, could the NCAA go for that?

Hmmmm...

What ever happens to Matt I hope he figures out where he really wants to be and has a healthy couple of years before his b-ball playing days end.

rollo · #57 07-19-2013, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by ud2

And FWIW, it looks like the NCAA approves around 50% of all hardship waiver requests, so it looks like he has a 50% chance of playing in 2013-2014.

Just vecuz 50% get approved dooz not mean he haz a 50% chance of gitting zee waivah...in reality, 100% of legitimate cases get approved and 100% of illegitimate cases get rejected. Vecuz hiz problems are self inflicted, pun intended, I zee no reazon why de NCAA would approve his side ov da story, uv which dere are two.

ud2 · #58 11-19-2013, 08:22 PM

This was mentioned in the Games of Note thread, but I thought I would resurrect this. MD apparently got his hardship waiver, I have no idea what his hardship was.

He just missed a 3 pointer for New Orleans, so he is playing tonight. This is his first game playing, he had an injury and sat out their first game vs. Millsaps.

As was mentioned in the Games of Note thread, the only other reason that I think of as to why he is being allowed to play this year without having to sit out is if he was asked to leave UD for some reason, so I guess that sort of an involuntary leaving situation would be different than if he chose to leave voluntarily.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/new-or...-201311190319/

SeasonTicketFan · #59 11-19-2013, 10:26 PM

Ironic. He played against LSU his first school.

priceg75 · #60 11-20-2013, 07:58 AM

29 minutes, 8 points, 8 rebounds, 2-8 from 3. UNO is not very good, so LSU beat them handily.