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Richmond or VCU tonight?
Enough of you know what. Who do we root for tonight - Richmond or VCU? As much as we want VCU to have a higher RPI for when we beat them, I would like a 1 game lead in the conference standings.
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As has been stated before on a different thread, even if VCU loses tonight we still have to beat them to win the A10 outright. So I say we root for them to win to ensure we have a top 50 win after March 1st...
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As has been stated before on a different thread, even if VCU loses tonight we still have to beat them to win the A10 outright. So I say we root for them to win to ensure we have a top 50 win after March 1st...
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Go Spiders. I want the outright title and I don't really care how we get it.
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We get it when we beat them March 1! Go Rams!
AGAIN...if you want them to lose, you want them to lose to URI. That is the only way they get back into the top 50 RPI which helps us.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
We get it when we beat them March 1! Go Rams!
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Assuming we don't lay an egg in one of the other 5 games.
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I will be rooting for the team that has fans wearing red sweater vests!
This choice is not correct based on logical RPI or A10 conference NCAA bids benefit. I simply don't like VCU and if them losing makes it easier for UD to win or share the conference title I'll take it.
Go Spiders!
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
We get it when we beat them March 1! Go Rams!
AGAIN...if you want them to lose, you want them to lose to URI. That is the only way they get back into the top 50 RPI which helps us.
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I want them to lose to Richmond and Rhody!. I'm greedy!
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Ideally, I'd like to see them win all but March 1, and Dayton to win out. Then for both to advance to the finals on CBS Selection Sunday afternoon. If I had a crystal ball and saw Dayton stumble, then I'd want them to lose to Rhode Island. But as the eternal optimist, I say UD will win the next 14!
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If UD wins the regular season A-10, they will make the Tournament. I want this Sr. class to win the A10 again and to do it outright. I also believe it is very likely we will stumble again along the way. So I agree with C-Time, want VCU to lose 3 more times, with one being to us.
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Another important thing to consider that no one seems to be talking about is that being regular season A10 champs gets us an auto bid to the NIT, Go Richmond!
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I hope VCU beats Richmond because they are the better team and may qualify as an At-Large team for the NCAA. I believe UD will beat them at home and finish ahead of them by the end of regular season play.
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I see both sides of this - but I'm rooting for the Spiders tonight. The goal is the NCAA tournament. With the year we've had - if we win the A10 outright I don't see any way we aren't in the tournament. We need to beat VCU to win it, but a loss from them tonight gives us a little bit of wiggle room. It allows us to show up @Davidson or @GW and have an off night (and lose) and still win the A10.
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They've had their .4 seconds of fame...twice!
I want VCU to lose to Richmond, SLU, Rhody, Dayton, and GMU.
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I want VCU to lose to Richmond, SLU, Rhody, Dayton, and GMU.
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That happens hello play-in game as the only team in from the A10.
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1. Our NCAA resume > outright A10 title
2. So, go VCU
3. Except when you play us
4. Or Rhode Island
5. Need URI to be top 50 wins
6. It is all about seeding at this point
7. Nobody has us "out" of the tourney
8. Alabama, Northwestern, St Marys will be key
9. Need the OOC opponents to do well
10. We are fine. All about seeding now.
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Originally Posted by CoffeeCan
1. Our NCAA resume > outright A10 title
2. So, go VCU
3. Except when you play us
4. Or Rhode Island
5. Need URI to be top 50 wins
6. It is all about seeding at this point
7. Nobody has us "out" of the tourney
8. Alabama, Northwestern, St Marys will be key
9. Need the OOC opponents to do well
10. We are fine. All about seeding now.
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Yes, we are fine. Sort of like when everyone had us as an 8 or 9 seed and we were put in the First Four as the last team in. I would feel a whole lot better with an outright A-10 Championship.
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Yes, we are fine. Sort of like when everyone had us as an 8 or 9 seed and we were put in the First Four as the last team in. I would feel a whole lot better with an outright A-10 Championship.
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10. We are fine*
*Assumes that we win out. Your mileage may vary. Void in Guam.
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VCU is currently 25 in the RPI. If they lose on the road to Richmond (98) or URI (61), or even both of them, they will still be a top 50 win all said and done.
Just going off of memory here, but I can't recall a time in the last 10+ years when the A10 regular season champion missed the NCAA tournament (and not won the conference tournament obviously).
Bottom line, the Davidson and GW road games scare me and I wouldn't be surprised if we dropped one of those. There's nothing wrong with having that bit of cushion in your back pocket. A VCU loss could be the difference between a tie or an outright league title.
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1. The outright A10 championship guarantees us nothing.
2. Zero.
3. If VCU loses three games but we lose two, we are in trouble.
4. Would need to win a couple of games in the A10 tourney
5. But hooray, at least we are A10 champs!
6. The NCAA is the goal.
7. The committee values top 50 wins and SOS
8. Those are the facts
9. Plenty of outright conference champs will not make the tourney and will need auto-bids
10. I hope we are not one of them. Go VCU.
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Has the A10's regular season champ ever been left out of the NCAAT?
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Has the A10's regular season champ ever been left out of the NCAAT?
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Bonnies last year.
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Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf. |
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That was a "co-champ" situation where St. Bonaventure ended up with the 3 seed in the conference tournament. So I would answer that question with a "no", at least not in recent memory.
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I'm rooting for Richmond. Crybaby Hurley's kids at URI have quit on him, after the demoralizing loss last Friday. It always boggles my mind that opponents always give UD their best, then lay eggs against other teams. I guarantee Archie would have 20+ wins now if he were the coach at URI. Coaches make a huge difference in the college game.
BTW, the Bonnies also laid an egg in the A10 tournament last year.
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I wouldn't say that SLU gave their best on Tuesday night, unless they are just really that bad and that was their best. I think the second half was a pretty good effort, but the first half was not.
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The OUTRIGHT A-10 regular season champion has never been left out of the NCAA.
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That happens hello play-in game as the only team in from the A10.
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Remember just a few years ago? Everyone thought we were easily in and we were the last team in? Played in the Play-in Game against Boise State. We had a better resume that year that we currently do. VCU loses all 5 games like you want, any credibility the A10 has is gone. We'd have no top 50 wins. We'd have nothing to hang our hat on with a win over VCU losing all 5 games they have left. Not really that hard to figure out.
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1) VCU isn't a great road team this year, and they have 3 tough road matchups remaining: tonight @ Richmond, @ Rhode Island, and of course 3/1 @Dayton. I don't see them winning all 3 of these, or really even winning 2/3 (Richmond looking to bounce back after embarrassing loss @GMU, Rhodey will be Desperate come 2/25, and UD wants revenge 3/1).
2) There are a few tough games left on the regular season schedule, but the way we are playing (plus a healthy Josh back) gives me optimism to think we can go undefeated and finish 16-2 (25-5) and be A10 regular season champs. With that kind of a finish we will likely be ranked in top 25 and will make the NCAA w/o a doubt.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
Remember just a few years ago? Everyone thought we were easily in and we were the last team in? Played in the Play-in Game against Boise State. We had a better resume that year that we currently do. VCU loses all 5 games like you want, any credibility the A10 has is gone. We'd have no top 50 wins. We'd have nothing to hang our hat on with a win over VCU losing all 5 games they have left. Not really that hard to figure out.
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I get all that, but:
a) we have more cred now...3 straight NCAAs vice 1
b) I'm thinking NCAA learned their lesson about putting us in First Four at home (again)...I mean, just ask Doug Gottlieb!
c) as mentioned by others, assuming we take A10 reg season outright, I believe we're in
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I get all that, but:
a) we have more cred now...3 straight NCAAs vice 1
b) I'm thinking NCAA learned their lesson about putting us in First Four at home (again)...I mean, just ask Doug Gottlieb!
c) as mentioned by others, assuming we take A10 reg season outright, I believe we're in
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If the A10 gets 2 in we are in if we win the A10 reg season title. If the A10 only gets 1, which is entirely possible if VCU losses their last 5 and URI continues to lose, then we would have to win the A10 Tourney. I am not convinced the A10 is a lock for multiple bids this year. If all the good teams besides us slide to end the year, this is a 1 bid league.
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Ludicrous, VCU won't lose 5 in a row, barring Tillman, Allie Cox,and Lewis all getting injured. And don't tell me the committee doesn't look at viewership ratings and the reputation of the coach in putting teams in. Archie is one of the hottest names out there, and we put fannies in the seats and ratings on the tube. My concern is staying out of the 8/9 game.
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Originally Posted by 116 Chambers
With that kind of a finish we will likely be ranked in top 25 and will make the NCAA w/o a doubt.
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2. If we win out, we will be in the top 25.
3. We will be favored in the rest of our games
4. DD with confidence and Josh healthy makes us dangerous
5. Nobody will want to play us in the bracket, that is certain
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Ludicrous, VCU won't lose 5 in a row, barring Tillman, Allie Cox,and Lewis all getting injured. And don't tell me the committee doesn't look at viewership ratings and the reputation of the coach in putting teams in. Archie is one of the hottest names out there, and we put fannies in the seats and ratings on the tube. My concern is staying out of the 8/9 game.
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If the A10 champ was considered one of the 4 lowest rated champion teams, I believe they could. E.G. if St. Louis was to win the A10 tourney I'd expect them to be playing at UD Arena.
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Show me in the NCAA selection rules that the regular season A10 champ gets an invite, and I am all in for VCU tanking. The fact that an A10 regular season champ always has made the tourney does not mean it is a lock.
Until then, we have to protect our SOS and have VCU and URI finish strong in case we stumble along the way.
I think we win our last five games and the A10 anyway, but insurance is a nice thing to have. DD with confidence and Josh healthy is like adding two players to an already impressive team.
Plus, if we win the A10 and VCU and URI finish strong, it may mean a 7 seed vs an 8 seed.
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m21eagle, I disagree, multiple games are on at the same time, they want ratings. Plus, we sell tickets. It boggles my mind how many empty seats you see in first round games, some even in the lower arena behind the team benches. They could send UD to Antarctica, and we will get at 1,000 seats filled.
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m21eagle, I disagree, multiple games are on at the same time, they want ratings. Plus, we sell tickets. It boggles my mind how many empty seats you see in first round games, some even in the lower arena behind the team benches. They could send UD to Antarctica, and we will get at 1,000 seats filled.
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You guys are over analyzing this.
Winner of the A10 tournament will not be a 16 seed and have to play in the 16 vs 16 first four game.
If Dayton is an at large they will not play in one of the 11/12 seed first four games. The committee stated after that occurred that they would manipulate the seeds/move UD so they never play in a UD Arena first four game again.
UD still has work to do and I will never again believe UD is safely in the tournament until I see Dayton on the bracket unless they win the A10 tournament. I don't think I will ever get over the shock when I saw UD was the last team in that year.
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Originally Posted by OCFlyer85
m21eagle, I disagree, multiple games are on at the same time, they want ratings. Plus, we sell tickets. It boggles my mind how many empty seats you see in first round games, some even in the lower arena behind the team benches. They could send UD to Antarctica, and we will get at 1,000 seats filled.
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Simple. Richmond. We need to win the A-10 title outright. We need the #1 seed in Pittsburgh. What's best for us right now is what gets us to #1 in Pittsburgh, that leads us to the best position in Pittsburgh and the advantages that come with it.
I dont give a **** how we get to the Dance, only that we get there.
At this point we are in complete control of our destiny.
Exempt tournaments dont matter. Home and homes dont matter. Metrics dont matter. Awards dont matter. You either make the NCAA Tournament or not. Successful and unsuccessful seasons are based 100% on one simple question....did we make the Dance.
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I'm sticking with Richmond.
I understand the argument of keeping VCU top 50, but the same argument goes for keeping Richmond top 100. VCU is 27...losing to Richmond does not drop them out of the top 50. Richmond is 95. Losing to VCU might drop them out of the top 100. I would say VCU @32 and Richmond @ 87 is better than VCU @25 and Richmond @103.
I'm making those number up, just using them as an example.
If we can keep both of their RPI's "Selection Sunday Relevant" and improve our chances at an outright title and a #1 seed in Pitt - then that's where I stand.
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Point taken but the odds are still in our favor from the 1 slot.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
Remember just a few years ago? Everyone thought we were easily in and we were the last team in? Played in the Play-in Game against Boise State. We had a better resume that year that we currently do. VCU loses all 5 games like you want, any credibility the A10 has is gone. We'd have no top 50 wins. We'd have nothing to hang our hat on with a win over VCU losing all 5 games they have left. Not really that hard to figure out.
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In fact, we are the ONLY team in the top 35 RPI without a top 50 win. I believe we can stub our toe at Davidson or GW, but VCU is a must win. I have a lot of faith in Archie and the seniors, but I don't want them to have the pressure of having to win the A-10 to get into the NCAAT.
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I like separation. So a VCU win puts us up on Richmond by 3 games in the loss column with 5 games to go plus the head to head tie breaker.
I also like separation at the top, so having a 1 game lead on VCU in the loss column is also nice.
However, VCU's offense is suspect. If Lewis doesn't shoot out of his mind from 3pt range against St. Joe, there's a decent chance that they lose that game. Everyone knows about the 0:0.4 games. I think it is very possible for VCU to lose multiple games down the stretch. If URI hasn't completely thrown in the towel, that could be one of them. Lose 5, no way. Maybe 2. A long shot for 3. George Mason is playing well, but I can't see it happening at VCU on Senior Night.
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Did anyone root for Xavier to win so they were a better numerical opponent when we faced them?
Yeah...I didn't think so either.
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In addition to my above, Richmond has always been a team that I have pulled for when we aren't playing them. I do like Mooney as a Richmond staple and Cline is a baller.
I don't know what it is...there are certain schools that I have always had a soft spot for in conference that I have pulled for...Richmond and SLU are two of them. Don't know why, I just like the way they do things. Kind of like MSU hoops...Colts football...always have pulled for them when they aren't going up against my teams.
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We probably should take it one game at a time...St Bonnie, Mason, VCU and at Davidson are all good enough to beat us Just sayin...
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However could it be possible that a well under .500 SLU if they were ever to pull that off would be one of the 16 seeds?
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VCU 8-0 run to start the half and you can hear the VCU fans yelling.
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Buckingham from Richmond turned his ankle pretty good. Looks like it turned both ways because of the way he fell. They carried him off with no weight on it.
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Buckingham from Richmond turned his ankle pretty good. Looks like it turned both ways because of the way he fell. They carried him off with no weight on it.
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I'm worried that was an Achilles injury. Non-contact, looked like they were checking his calf. I hope he is okay. That guy is a future stud in this league.
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And apparently Mr. Miyagi showed up and has healed Buckingham.
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VCU 84 Richmond 73 Final
VCU bullied Richmond the 2nd half and Richmond shot horribly on the night 38%.
This just further reinforces my opinion that the A10 standings look like they do below.
1&2 = Dayton VCU
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No contest. VCU has a team, while Richmond has two very good players. Flyers will see the same thing at Davidson next week.
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After this result we are rooting for VCU to lose to UD and URI and win out, and URI to win out.
This scenario streghthens all 3 teams resumes and puts URI and VCU on the opposite side of the A-10 bracket together
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VCU 84 Richmond 73 Final
VCU bullied Richmond the 2nd half and Richmond shot horribly on the night 38%.
This just further reinforces my opinion that the A10 standings look like they do below.
1&2 = Dayton VCU
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While hilarious, and id be ok with you posting that picture everyday i would say George Mason has made enormous strides. They are a team to be dealt with. Marquise Moore is a STUD!
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Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3
While hilarious, and id be ok with you posting that picture everyday i would say George Mason has made enormous strides. They are a team to be dealt with. Marquise Moore is a STUD!
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Wasn't Mason swept by SLU? Don't let the record fool you. They haven't played VCU or Dayton yet.
EDIT: They haven't played at VCU yet. They already lost to VCU at home. They end their season with URI (Hopefully URI can turn it around) @ Dayton, @ GW, Duquesne, and @ VCU. I see 3 more losses there, and possibly 4.
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Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3
While hilarious, and id be ok with you posting that picture everyday i would say George Mason has made enormous strides. They are a team to be dealt with. Marquise Moore is a STUD!
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Making strides does not mean your team still isn't garbage. Their SOS is 192!!!!! Are they improving? Yes. Did they build up their record against a garbage non-conference schedule? Yes
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Wasn't Mason swept by SLU? Don't let the record fool you. They haven't played VCU or Dayton yet.
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And if you lose 2 games to St. Louis this year there had to be a dumpster fire occurring for your team for those two nights.
I will try contain my dumpster fire pictures but when there are 3 games in the loss column between UD/VCU and everybody else there is a clear divide.
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Ok ok ok, there a dumpster fire.
I wasn't being sarcastic about the picture. I love it
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