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Students please stop
your countdown on the shot clock.
Three times last night Wolford made a basket when you made them aware of the shot clock.
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How about calling the shot clock four seconds late. So if there is four seconds left start 8, 7 so that maybe the other team will shoot after the shot clock goes off.
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Originally Posted by UDBrian
How about calling the shot clock four seconds late. So if there is four seconds left start 8, 7 so that maybe the other team will shoot after the shot clock goes off.
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That's a good one!
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JohnR please stop posting.
---dont they usually do this so they say 1 when there is really like 3-4 seconds left?
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Originally Posted by ELDoro
JohnR please stop posting.
---dont they usually do this so they say 1 when there is really like 3-4 seconds left?
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I will repeat for you one more time.
Wolford made 3 baskets as the students made them aware of the shot clock.
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Originally Posted by ELDoro
JohnR please stop posting.
---dont they usually do this so they say 1 when there is really like 3-4 seconds left?
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Yes they do and they throw it up and like last night made it 3 times.
If they are not aware of how much time is left on the shot clock may be it will go off before they get a shot off.
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Why dont you go down to the student section and ask them very politely and im sure they will listen. How many students do you think have time between drinking and drinking to read your post?
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How do you know they are not aware? Believe me there is chatter on the court......
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Originally Posted by AFflyer
Why dont you go down to the student section and ask them very politely and im sure they will listen. How many students do you think have time between drinking and drinking to read your post?
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Looks like you do.
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Originally Posted by John R
I will repeat for you one more time.
Wolford made 3 baskets as the students made them aware of the shot clock.
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The students have done this every game for years. I never noticed it causing problems before. It needs to happen more that one game to say they should quit.
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They did make Wofford take a shot earlier than they needed to. Theoretically that is a good thing. They just kept making the darn shots!
I think I noticed that the students actually switched it up later in the game and started the countdown late, instead of early.
Great halftime adjustment!
Go Red Scare!!! Keep it up!
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Bad thread, any person who pays attention during the games understands that the student section will count out down from 4 when there is 9 or 10 seconds on the clock.
90 percent of the time if forces a team to put up a bad shot with 5 or 6 seconds left and even though they made two last night, they also missed two.
Keep messing with their heads.
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Originally Posted by John R
Looks like you do.
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im not a student
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Originally Posted by ClearTheRunwayForWLJ
Bad thread, any person who pays attention during the games understands that the student section will count out down from 4 when there is 9 or 10 seconds on the clock.
90 percent of the time if forces a team to put up a bad shot with 5 or 6 seconds left and even though they made two last night, they also missed two.
Keep messing with their heads.
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in case you didn't know...
Originally Posted by John R
your countdown on the shot clock.
Three times last night Wolford made a basket when you made them aware of the shot clock.
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True they got some shots down when we were doing that but I don't think you realize that we're not with the clock when we're counting down. We're either ahead or behind and it usually works to mess up the players. Its happened numerous times. It really does work a lot of the time. And we played Wofford
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As long as they're counting it off early or late, it's not a problem. That's what they're supposed to do, and most good student sections around the country also use this "trick." The fact that Wofford happened to luck out and make a couple of those shots doesn't mean that it's a bad idea.
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I just can't take this any more. Granted I'm old and played before the shot clock. I'm pretty sure I would have looked at the clock if I was dribbling or setting a pick or standing around and known how much time was left. Do these "tricks" really work with Division 1 basketball players. Granted there are times when players lose track, like after a timeout, but I just don't believe that the palyers don't know how much time is on the clock and would let a student section fool them. Maybe I just overestimate the basketball intelligence of the players.
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They do work suprisingly. The student section is loud to the players on the court and usually when the shot clock is down towards the end the play is broke down and hectic on the court.
They will just hoist it up hearing the countdown ... it worked many times when I was in the student section. It was my favorite thing to do, watching them throw up a shot with 9 seconds left for no reason was one thing we contributed to the game.
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Originally Posted by masonflyer
I just can't take this any more. Granted I'm old and played before the shot clock. I'm pretty sure I would have looked at the clock if I was dribbling or setting a pick or standing around and known how much time was left. Do these "tricks" really work with Division 1 basketball players. Granted there are times when players lose track, like after a timeout, but I just don't believe that the palyers don't know how much time is on the clock and would let a student section fool them. Maybe I just overestimate the basketball intelligence of the players.
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If it doesn't work as you say why do it?
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Originally Posted by John R
If it doesn't work as you say why do it?
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Probably because it gives the students the feeling that they have a stake in the game and they think they can make a difference. They do better by wearing red and being loud, if I can borrow from your brilliance.
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Why does John R hate the students so much?
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Originally Posted by zmz723
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What?
Where did that come from?
Its great when they are there and we need them for all the games.
A sea of Red on their feet getting Loud what else can I say.
I think (now I'm sure alot of you think thats a first) they can up with a better cheer then the countdown even if its not the right numbers.
Don't give them any idea how much time is left.
What about getting Louder and yelling Defense and may be the guys will step up even more on defense.
Just try it and see if it works.
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They do make a difference
Originally Posted by masonflyer
Probably because it gives the students the feeling that they have a stake in the game and they think they can make a difference. They do better by wearing red and being loud, if I can borrow from your brilliance.
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by wearing Red and being Loud and on their feet.
Great point masonflyer a form of brillance as you pointed out.
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Originally Posted by ClearTheRunwayForWLJ
Bad thread, any person who pays attention during the games understands that the student section will count out down from 4 when there is 9 or 10 seconds on the clock.
90 percent of the time if forces a team to put up a bad shot with 5 or 6 seconds left and even though they made two last night, they also missed two.
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Considering the shot clock is right on top of the basket, that players look at the clock, and that I doubt any opposing player really beleives the student section is counting down the clock on time - I'd say it's highly doubtful it works 90% of the time. I'd say the percentage of time it "works" is less than 5%.
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1st the students don't show up enough to exhibition games, now they are too loud at the games they come to. Next, John R will complain because they don't all wear red pants and because they sit down at halftime.
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If that were a direct marketing campaign, that 5% would be a very high number.
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Originally Posted by ClearTheRunwayForWLJ
Bad thread, any person who pays attention during the games understands that the student section will count out down from 4 when there is 9 or 10 seconds on the clock.
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You need to start counting down from 10 when there is about 6 or7 seconds left. Then they think they have more time to shoot. They did it like that once in the game and it worked.
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John R you right.
The students are needed, especially at the end of games when the arena is dormant because of everyone leaving. The students keep the arena alive when it is half full near the court.
And yes, the shot clock thing does work, trust me.
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Hawkooo Please
Stop dreaming. It'll never happen. This board is all he's got
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Stop dreaming. It'll never happen. This board is all he's got
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I also got you .
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And masonflyer when was the last time you went to a UD game at the Arena?
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I also got you .
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And masonflyer when was the last time you went to a UD game at the Arena?
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Pitt game last year. Picked a good one, huh? I'll be at the Mason game this year, rooting fot UD of course. Mason Just killed Brown last night by about 27, who lost by 2 to Rhode Island. I think that will be a tougher game than most believe.
The point is I watch games all the time on TV and hear those count downs and they don't appear to me to make anyone take bad shots. Once you get under 10 seconds they are going to take the best shot they can no matter if the crowd is counting down or not.
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Originally Posted by John R
I also got you .
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And masonflyer when was the last time you went to a UD game at the Arena?
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John R, I think it's time we clarify something. Pointing out your inane posts, while obviously a game for you, does not constitute you "getting" anybody. The only person that it "gets" is you, in demonstrating how uninteresting and pointless your posts are. If your goal is to get posters to respond, then by all means, leave a thought-provoking, humorous, or insightful comment. Or maybe just something relevant, if that is easier. But some of us get sick of watching you keep your imaginary score of how many people point out the lack of substance in nearly everything you post. While I could use the ignore feature, I prefer to know what everybody else is referencing in their later comments, so I understand the risk I run.
And yes, John R, you got me. Congratulations.
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Originally Posted by Flyer Hub
If that were a direct marketing campaign, that 5% would be a very high number.
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If it were anywhere near that high, that would be true. Just because someone takes the shot (or doesn't) isn't an indication that it works. If you see A and then B, it doesn't mean A caused B. Somebody might take a 24 footer with 5 on the clock if there is no hand in their face because it's likely to be the best shot you get.
I would put the percent of times it actually causes a nonshot, or a quicker than required shot, at well less than 1 in 100.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
If it were anywhere near that high, that would be true. Just because someone takes the shot (or doesn't) isn't an indication that it works. If you see A and then B, it doesn't mean A caused B. Somebody might take a 24 footer with 5 on the clock if there is no hand in their face because it's likely to be the best shot you get.
I would put the percent of times it actually causes a nonshot, or a quicker than required shot, at well less than 1 in 100.
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I love when we start calling the shot clock...expect for the BAND! which started calling the shot clock when it was 5 seconds....they started yelling 7! 6!......5!....which they were behind the actual clock and made no sense.
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Originally Posted by lilrudy4787
I love when we start calling the shot clock...expect for the BAND! which started calling the shot clock when it was 5 seconds....they started yelling 7! 6!......5!....which they were behind the actual clock and made no sense.
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You have to switch it up. Sometimes be behind the clock and sometimes ahead. So they either shoot before they need to or shoot too late. And honestly, does it really matter? Yeah, it seems to work sometimes and I think we get in the other teams head. It's just a cheer...how many times did we all yell DEFENSE in the Wofford game and then our bbal team turned it over?? just because we yell the cheer doesn't mean it HAS to work. It keeps people in the game and the energy going in the Arena. and it's that pretty much what we're going for?
Why does everyone seem to hate the band? they start alot of cheers that the students don't and vice versa. lilrudy, maybe you should start all the countdowns instead of waiting for someone else to do it and then blame the band.
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Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic5
You have to switch it up. Sometimes be behind the clock and sometimes ahead. So they either shoot before they need to or shoot too late. And honestly, does it really matter? Yeah, it seems to work sometimes and I think we get in the other teams head. It's just a cheer...how many times did we all yell DEFENSE in the Wofford game and then our bbal team turned it over?? just because we yell the cheer doesn't mean it HAS to work. It keeps people in the game and the energy going in the Arena. and it's that pretty much what we're going for?
Why does everyone seem to hate the band? they start alot of cheers that the students don't and vice versa. lilrudy, maybe you should start all the countdowns instead of waiting for someone else to do it and then blame the band.
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its funny you mentioned that...i actually started to do that in the later parts of the second half
its just a little hard to get my voice over 2 sections since I am on the other side of the band in 109.
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Just wanted to go on the record and say the early shot clock countdown has definitely affected many a weak-minded opponent in the Arena. In fact, the other night when Wofford made two in a row in the first half late in the clock, it struck me as odd that they converted two tough/low percentage shots whilst hurried by the artificial coundown.
Definitely ranks ahead of the lame taunting during pre-game introductions, "air-ball"/"fundamentals" chants, and the serenades to fouled-out players in terms of effectiveness.
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What do you think wright, or little do when they see a guy start to drive while hearing the shot clock? They know that the guy with the ball is looking to shoot, so they can cheat of their guy a bit and sneak down for a sick block. Not to mention if i'm the guy on the ball, I know the guy is looking to score and quick. Doesn't just help the offense knowing that there is somewhere between 0-5 seconds left. Also, I know i've seen the countdown work more than once, and when it does, it's a thing of beauty. That being said, if the shotclock was winding down and brob had the ball for the other team, i'd keep my mouth shut and hope he passes.
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Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic5
Why does everyone seem to hate the band? they start alot of cheers that the students don't and vice versa. lilrudy, maybe you should start all the countdowns instead of waiting for someone else to do it and then blame the band.
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Because they have ridiculous uniforms, do that horrible dance that makes me embarrased to be a UD fan before the game, and play the same things over and over during the game
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Because they have ridiculous uniforms, do that horrible dance that makes me embarrased to be a UD fan before the game, and play the same things over and over during the game
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You should send your comments and ideas to Dr. Willie Morris because HE'S the one who makes the band do that stuff. Most of that stuff is not the bands choice. As a member of the band, I don't like that dance either, but if Morris ever sees us not doing it, we get yelled at and threatened with the "you don't get to come to the next game or any trips." And as for the songs, believe me, we feel the same way. There is a playlist set up with MANY different songs that morris is supposed to follow but doesn't and calls for us to play the same old victory, 5 notes and go dayton flyers. We're sick of it too but Morris won't take our opinions seriously. So don't hate the band, there are alot of things we HAVE to do becuase people have been telling Morris they like it. (and those people gave us money for those new uniforms) You should really let Morris know,and I'm not being sarcastic.... he likes to hear input from people that aren't in the band. food for thought...
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You have to switch it up. Sometimes be behind the clock and sometimes ahead. So they either shoot before they need to or shoot too late. And honestly, does it really matter? Yeah, it seems to work sometimes and I think we get in the other teams head. It's just a cheer...how many times did we all yell DEFENSE in the Wofford game and then our bbal team turned it over?? just because we yell the cheer doesn't mean it HAS to work. It keeps people in the game and the energy going in the Arena. and it's that pretty much what we're going for?
Why does everyone seem to hate the band? they start alot of cheers that the students don't and vice versa. lilrudy, maybe you should start all the countdowns instead of waiting for someone else to do it and then blame the band.
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why do people hate on the band? Have you seen the way they act at the games? There are many who believe they are gods gift to the arena when they are just annoying. Not goin to get into the specific peolpe that everyone could point out last year so i dont hurt feelings
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lots of student sections do the so-called shot clock trick. the fact of the matter is that there is a better chance of fooling your own team than the team that has the ball. what if your own team thinks the shot clock has expired when it really hasn't and just gives up on defense?? what if they think it's not about to expire, and they're not in position to get a rebound??
since this trick is rather common, it's very niave to think that coaches and players aren't aware of it. not only are they aware of it, there is a big clock on top of the basket that they are facing (and the defense is not) in case they totally lose their minds and forget about it.
whenever you see a player release the ball early, it's almost certainly because of something other than that they were fooled by the students. the students just think they fooled them when they really didn't. how many forced shots do you see during a game that ARE NOT attributed to the fans?? the action on the court is more distracting than a chant that everyone in the world knows is a dupe. besides, when a player knows the shot clock is down to four seconds, they're going to be hurried. knock yourselves out and have fun with it, but it has next to zero impact on anything.
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11-20-2008, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic5
You should send your comments and ideas to Dr. Willie Morris because HE'S the one who makes the band do that stuff. Most of that stuff is not the bands choice. As a member of the band, I don't like that dance either, but if Morris ever sees us not doing it, we get yelled at and threatened with the "you don't get to come to the next game or any trips." And as for the songs, believe me, we feel the same way. There is a playlist set up with MANY different songs that morris is supposed to follow but doesn't and calls for us to play the same old victory, 5 notes and go dayton flyers. We're sick of it too but Morris won't take our opinions seriously. So don't hate the band, there are alot of things we HAVE to do becuase people have been telling Morris they like it. (and those people gave us money for those new uniforms) You should really let Morris know,and I'm not being sarcastic.... he likes to hear input from people that aren't in the band. food for thought...
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Your efforts are appreciated and not just at the bball games. The band with Red Scare really makes the Frerick's Center rock
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11-20-2008, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by AFflyer
why do people hate on the band? Have you seen the way they act at the games? There are many who believe they are gods gift to the arena when they are just annoying.
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I've yet to see a better band in the conference. While I haven't seen Fordham or LaSalle's, I'm going to go on a limb after seeing their arena and fan support and assume they aren't much to brag about. I've been told by x fans that one of their favorite parts about coming to the game at the Arena is for the band. So while there are some vocal detractors, the majority, in my experience, appreciates the work the band puts in.
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