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SLU facts

1. We won a conference game
2. A road conference game
3. Pierre and Cooke combined 3-19, and we won
4. Bench outscored 23-9, and we won
5. We shot 31% from the field, 24% from 3, and 53% from the line. And won.
6. We avoided losing our third straight game
7. Those losses would have been to three Saints in a row, God is finally with us again.
8. The Red uniforms are better than the Blue ones
9. Archie blew off Crews at the end, that was awesome.
10. I have been drinking.
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1. Our Flyers sucked.
2. St. Louis sucked
3. The refs sucked
4. The announcers sucked
5. We won
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Originally Posted by CoffeeCan View Post
1. We won a conference game
2. A road conference game
3. Pierre and Cooke combined 3-19, and we won
4. Bench outscored 23-9, and we won
5. We shot 31% from the field, 24% from 3, and 53% from the line. And won.
6. We avoided losing our third straight game
7. Those losses would have been to three Saints in a row, God is finally with us again.
8. The Red uniforms are better than the Blue ones
9. Archie blew off Crews at the end, that was awesome.
10. I have been drinking.
=SLU is really bad. I'll take the win!
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.....we won because we were playing a horrible team in St. Louis.
This victory leaves me with less confidence in the remainder of the season then I at had at 8 pm tonight.
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Originally Posted by CoffeeCan View Post
1. We won a conference game
2. A road conference game
3. Pierre and Cooke combined 3-19, and we won
4. Bench outscored 23-9, and we won
5. We shot 31% from the field, 24% from 3, and 53% from the line. And won.
6. We avoided losing our third straight game
7. Those losses would have been to three Saints in a row, God is finally with us again.
8. The Red uniforms are better than the Blue ones
9. Archie blew off Crews at the end, that was awesome.
10. I have been drinking.
I gotta go back and watch that since I still can. I'd like to record it and youtube it if possible. I wlll let you know.
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SLU hit a trey with 7:22 to go in regulation to go up 9. They did not hit another bucket until the layup at the buzzer in OT. 12:22 without a bucket. Geesh.
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Piqua..............i have a hunch if we would have played at 11am yesterday against Wright State we would have Won today by much more.

Maybe MLK day..........i dunno...just a thought

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I think this win clinched a NCAAT bid.

I thought UD was shooting too many 3's over about the last 10 minutes of the game.

UD should quit settling for 3's on offense and drive to the basket or get the ball into the low post more.

When you are pretty cold from 3, then quit shooting so many 3's.

Also, seems like UD missed quite a few free throws down the stretch, missed ft's will come back to bite you in a close game.

Good job though staying with it and getting the win. They stiffened on defense at key times and got the win.

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I gotta go back and watch that since I still can. I'd like to record it and youtube it if possible. I wlll let you know.
OK, here it is in full motion color slo-mo; Crews don't look happy after passing Archie...funny.

https://youtu.be/05G4dt275IA

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......the Flyers need a real transfusion of CONFIDENCE.
From what I saw tonight (2nd half only), that transfusion will be administered by Dr. Kyle Davis. He (and Bobby) were the real difference-makers tonight.
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ud2, I am on the other side of the fence. If we don't get back to hitting the open treys, EVERY possession will be a fist fight trying to go inside. Way too easy for the D to double or triple team the ball when you only have to guard out to 15 feet.
I said if before, and I'll say it again, we have morphed into the "team that can't shoot". That was one ugly a$$ed game. It only showed, that on this night, St Louis was worse than we were...
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Not often you win a game without holding a lead for the last 30 minutes of regulation.

Pretty sure we just locked up no worse than 5th seed in the A10 tourney due to head-to-head against Davidson.
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Werhli was fouled on that drive and dish off from Pierre with about 3 or 4 minutes left...I watched the replay, the SLU player clearly fouled Wehrli on the arm, bad missed call there by the refs.

Also, SLU airballed that 3 with about 20 seconds or so left, no UD player touched that ball, Wehrli did not partially block that shot, Wehrli did not touch the ball at all, but Wehrli appeared to foul the shooter's hand on the shooter's follow through, so maybe that was a quick make up call.

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...If we don't get back to hitting the open treys, EVERY possession will be a fist fight trying to go inside. Way too easy for the D to double or triple team the ball when you only have to guard out to 15 feet...
That's why I place less blame at Pierre's feet tonight, and more at Cooke's. It seemed that Pierre's longballs were either from the top of the key or wide open attempts from the corner. Cooke seemed to be either (a) covered or (b) moving on most of his outside shot attempts tonight.
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My DVR crashed after the game. I called tech support and they found a virus. Turns out the virus was the recording of the UD SLU game.
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ud2, I am on the other side of the fence. If we don't get back to hitting the open treys, EVERY possession will be a fist fight trying to go inside. Way too easy for the D to double or triple team the ball when you only have to guard out to 15 feet.
I said if before, and I'll say it again, we have morphed into the "team that can't shoot". That was one ugly a$$ed game. It only showed, that on this night, St Louis was worse than we were...
I don't know, you can still drive and stop and take the mid-range jump shot, hard to double or triple team that shot.

I just did not see enough attempts at driving or getting the ball inside. Too many of the possessions just seemed to be perimeter passing and then settling for a 3.

Every game from here on out will be a battle if they can not play better than that, unless SLU has improved a lot recently and is now a good team.

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Werhli was fouled on that drive and dish off from Pierre with about 3 or 4 minutes left...I watched the replay, the SLU player clearly fouled Wehrli on the arm, bad missed call there by the refs.

Also, SLU airballed that 3 with about 20 seconds or so left, no UD player touched that ball, Wehrli did not partially block that shot, Wehrli did not touch the ball at all, but Wehrli appeared to foul the shooter's hand on the shooter's follow through, so maybe that was a quick make up call.
Noticed the slight contact on that shot attempt. Maybe the stripes didn't want to send the shooter to the line (since the shot missed so badly), but still wanted to recognize that there was some contact, so they gave SLU the ball on the out-of-bounds call. Not "textbook", but a reasonable compromise, under the circumstances.
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OK, here it is in full motion color slo-mo; Crews don't look happy after passing Archie...funny.

https://youtu.be/05G4dt275IA
No love lost between Archie and Crews ...
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The defense was incredible. Dayton is now up to #12 in kenpom defense, the highest ever.

I believe the stat is no team has won the national championship since 2002 without being top 20 offensively and defensively in kenpom and top 10 in one of the category.

Fix the offense and Dayton can still be a Sweet 16 team!
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10. I have been drinking.

We've all been drinking . . .

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SLU hit a trey with 7:22 to go in regulation to go up 9. They did not hit another bucket until the layup at the buzzer in OT. 12:22 without a bucket. Geesh.
And we only beat them by 3...doesn't say much for us either!
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OK, here it is in full motion color slo-mo; Crews don't look happy after passing Archie...funny.

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From what I saw tonight (2nd half only), that transfusion will be administered by Dr. Kyle Davis. He (and Bobby) were the real difference-makers tonight.
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That would be the BW that should have NOT languished on the bench playing close to zero mpg most of the year.....Don't care how much potential these freshman have none of them are ready for this MOMENT and say what you will but BW played 35 games last year, averaging over 20 mpg, going against 4's and 5's all year, in some of the most pressurized and intense games anyone will ever play, and hit more than a few big shots and pulled down rebounds...
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The defense was incredible. Dayton is now up to #12 in kenpom defense, the highest ever.

I believe the stat is no team has won the national championship since 2002 without being top 20 offensively and defensively in kenpom and top 10 in one of the category.

Fix the offense and Dayton can still be a Sweet 16 team!
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The AM offense is predicated on moving the ball continuously to get open shots. I reason Wherli is playing is because he's a smart player. He understands the offense, how to rotate the ball. The tendency of freshman especially Crosby and Miller is they get open looks to0early and take the shot. Miller doesn't want pass pass shot. He wants rotation and movement to open the lane so Schoocie can drive. AM wants good ball rotation so the defense is out of position so that Pierre can get a board on the weak side. Once Miller, Williams and Crosby understand this. They will become more effective.
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In 50 years of watching college basketball, this could have been the worst game - on both sides - that I have ever seen. Either team should have won by 30 points. We are a team that has lost confidence in itself, doesn't execute, misses layups, turns the ball over way too much with sloppy passes. I think Archie has lost confidence in the team as a whole and in certain players. When have you seen Archie screaming at a player and he was right. The refs blew that call at the end by not calling the foul. There was no way that they were going to reverse that call. But grab the ball and play on until the refs tell you otherwise. Archie barely, if at all, shook hands with Crews at the end.

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That would be the BW that should have NOT languished on the bench playing close to zero mpg most of the year.....Don't care how much potential these freshman have none of them are ready for this MOMENT and say what you will but BW played 35 games last year, averaging over 20 mpg, going against 4's and 5's all year, in some of the most pressurized and intense games anyone will ever play, and hit more than a few big shots and pulled down rebounds...
Bobby had a good game last night. I agree. Against a team that went with a small lineup most of the game and is a bottom feeder in the A10.

If KP is healthy BW may not have seen the floor. Just because he had 1 good game and averaged 20mpg last year doesn't men we should all be hopping on the BW bandwagon. We played SLU last night, not VCU.
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Let's review some of this game... because it really did seem like St. Bonnies, where they got out to a lead, we normalized, then they charged back and took a lead that it seemed like we were not going to be able to overcome.

SLU goes up 24-16 with 18:25 to play.
Then KD makes a short jumper, and DP gets the "rattle in off the backboard" 3 to make it 24-21 to keep us in touch.

After Scoochie's 3 to make it 25-24, we had 4 opportunities to tie or take the lead... a missed layup, 2 missed 3's, and 2 missed Cooke FT's later....

SLU goes on another run to make it 33-24 12:16 to play, during the period where Milik Yarbrough decided he was a player and scored 8 straight.

Then we remain down 9 at 42-33 with under 8 left. Scoochie converts an and-one to make it 43-43 with 4:33 left.

Then we miss a three to take the lead, and SLU makes it 45-43 on FTs. Cooke makes 1 of 2 FTs to cut it to 45-44. Somewhere after there is the horrible fast break that Scoochie fires a pass at somebody's ankles rather than just taking it to the basket, but whoever it was can't corral it.

We whiff on 3 other possessions, while SLU picks up another FT to make it 46-44.

I LITERALLY threw my remote across the room when McElvene missed the front end at 46-44 with 1:04 left. Then I turned the TV off in disgust. Luckily it didn't break, and 90 seconds later I turned it back on after Scoochie's (apparent) layup to tie the game, with SLU holding the ball to take the lead.

By my count, we had the ball 10-11 times with the score at or within 2 and failed to tie or take the lead. I think the Big Steve missed FT and the messed up fast break shortly before really just pushed me straight over the edge.

We really did look like a bad high school team. Luckily, SLU has the X-factor of Jim Crews, so we were safe.

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Bobby had a good game last night. I agree. Against a team that went with a small lineup most of the game and is a bottom feeder in the A10.

If KP is healthy BW may not have seen the floor. Just because he had 1 good game and averaged 20mpg last year doesn't men we should all be hopping on the BW bandwagon. We played SLU last night, not VCU.
And I guess every single team a year ago was St. Louis and also played small, huh? You don't seem to be able to interpret and understand the importance of experience and not just with the tangibles either. BW understands this offense, when to pop out, when and HOW to screen, and where to go with the ball. He knows how to shed screens, rotate, box out, and switch out on defense.....BW was a large part of the defense that kept them from scoring a FG for well over the last 14 minutes of the game last night..Miller was nowhere to be found and Williams had a sip of coffee. Got any other guys you want to give those minutes to right at this time?

Secondly, even a healthy KP gets into tons of foul trouble and even if KP played last night he's not logging 30 minutes...So I bet you'd rather see Williams and Miller in there, last 2 plays and get beat twice, and each pickup a foul or two in a matter of minutes?

Nobody is asking you to jump on anyone's bandwagon but not seeing the importance of an experienced player at this juncture of the season is pretty obtuse. UD does NOT win that game last night with a shell-shocked Sam Miller logging BW's minutes....
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Noticed the slight contact on that shot attempt. Maybe the stripes didn't want to send the shooter to the line (since the shot missed so badly), but still wanted to recognize that there was some contact, so they gave SLU the ball on the out-of-bounds call. Not "textbook", but a reasonable compromise, under the circumstances.
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But isn't it the refs job to officiate the game via the word of the "textbook"? This play still has me so mad.

Ball goes out of bounds and they say SLU ball. No foul called. They review the play to see who the ball went off of. The replay clearly shows two things: 1) BW fouled him on the 3 (which they didn't call) and 2) the ball was out of bounds off SLU. Yet they give the ball to SLU!?

It should have been UD ball! I get BW fouled him, but tough break! When looking at the monitor the refs realized they missed the foul call and they can't go back and issue a foul, so they just gave SLU the ball as a "make up" call. That's not the ethical thing to do. The review was to see who the ball went off of, black and white.
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I don't recall the last time Archie was so happy to win a game. He was literally out there high fiving all the guys that played after the buzzer, and even long-distance fist bumping guys pretty much in Jim Crews' face. He knows how important of a win that was and how hard the team had to fight themselves to get it.
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And I guess every single team a year ago was St. Louis and also played small, huh? You don't seem to be able to interpret and understand the importance of experience and not just with the tangibles either. BW understands this offense, when to pop out, when and HOW to screen, and where to go with the ball. He knows how to shed screens, rotate, box out, and switch out on defense.....BW was a large part of the defense that kept them from scoring a FG for well over the last 14 minutes of the game last night..Miller was nowhere to be found and Williams had a sip of coffee. Got any other guys you want to give those minutes to right at this time?

Secondly, even a healthy KP gets into tons of foul trouble and even if KP played last night he's not logging 30 minutes...So I bet you'd rather see Williams and Miller in there, last 2 plays and get beat twice, and each pickup a foul or two in a matter of minutes?

Nobody is asking you to jump on anyone's bandwagon but not seeing the importance of an experienced player at this juncture of the season is pretty obtuse. UD does NOT win that game last night with a shell-shocked Sam Miller logging BW's minutes....
I said earlier I agree he played a good game last night. He was instrumental in getting the W. He played a solid role last year. But Im Not gonna have a hypothetical argument about what would or wouldn't have happened last nignt with younger guys playing.

But if he is so good and his experience is that important, why hasn't he been ahead of the other guys on the depth chart all season as we piled up wins and a top 15RPI?
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The AM offense is predicated on moving the ball continuously to get open shots. I reason Wherli is playing is because he's a smart player. He understands the offense, how to rotate the ball. The tendency of freshman especially Crosby and Miller is they get open looks to0early and take the shot. Miller doesn't want pass pass shot. He wants rotation and movement to open the lane so Schoocie can drive. AM wants good ball rotation so the defense is out of position so that Pierre can get a board on the weak side. Once Miller, Williams and Crosby understand this. They will become more effective.
Agree... multiple times in the first half, we were driving to the basket with no spacing on the floor. This is why KP is so valuable, as he positions himself well around the paint area (for an open look, or offensive rebound) - Big Steve was staying in the paint with his defender... clogging the lane.
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I said earlier I agree he played a good game last night. He was instrumental in getting the W. He played a solid role last year. But Im Not gonna have a hypothetical argument about what would or wouldn't have happened last nignt with younger guys playing.

But if he is so good and his experience is that important, why hasn't he been ahead of the other guys on the depth chart all season as we piled up wins and a top 15RPI?
Because AM has some pretty good recruits he sold to the program and maybe promised these guys potential PT and, obviously, a couple have come thru pretty well lately but another couple guys that are playing the 3/4 position have either stagnated or regressed......

Maybe AM also undervalued a guy like BW and thought what he did could easily be replaced. Maybe AM gave those guys so much string and knew that BW could be called upon minus the beetching and seething some of the other guys have noticeably done..

Coaches are allowed to assume and even to be wrong sometimes. And I'm not saying AM was. Tell me, and this is NOT patting BW on the rump by any means, but why do you think that BW got 26 minutes last night and 17 on Saturday? Clearly, Miller and Williams did not see close to those minutes in the absence of KP.

I have zero reason to believe that BW could not have given UD a very solid 7-10 mpg this year in most all the games...His artillery and the resources were far better this year than last year with absolutely zero margin for error a year ago in getting into foul trouble or even a dislocated finger like he got last night..
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But if he is so good and his experience is that important, why hasn't he been ahead of the other guys on the depth chart all season as we piled up wins and a top 15RPI?
Part of a coach's responsibility during a season is to win AND develop younger talent. When Pierre returned and we had Pollard in the lineup, it was easy to work in the younger players and not jeopardize the current season.

With Pollard out and the freshman still playing like freshman, Miller has no choice - with respect to saving a low NCAAT seed this season - but to rely on Wehrli's 2014-15 experiences to save this season. To stick with the 'development' plan would destroy years of work and progress. Miller had no choice but to ask Wehrli to step up as he did last season...and thank Rollo he did or last night would have been a devastating 'L'.

Should Pollard wake up today and be 100%, Wehrli assumes his normal seat at the end of the bench and the freshman can - again - be worked into the rotation. But he's going to be out for a while and at this point of the season, the margin for error is small and getting smaller.

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@rollo ^ I can't believe BW hasn't logged more minutes this year anyway. Hopefully he can regain the shooting touch with a bum finger because I believe AM has seen the light and I think Wehrli is going to mop up all of SM minutes going forward.
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Part of a coach's responsibility during a season is to win AND develop younger talent. When Pierre returned and we had Pollard in the lineup, it was easy to work in the younger players and not jeopardize the current season.

With Pollard out and the freshman still playing like freshman, Miller has no choice - with respect to saving a low NCAAT seed this season - but to rely on Wehrli's 2014-15 experiences to save this season. To stick with the 'development' plan would destroy years of work and progress. Miller had no choice but to ask Wehrli to step up as he did last season...and thank Rollo he did or last night would have been a devastating 'L'.

Should Pollard wake up today and be 100%, Wehrli assumes his normal seat at the end of the bench and the freshman can - again - be worked into the rotation. But he's going to be out for a while and at this point of the season, the margin for error is small and getting smaller.

All Hail Bobby Wehrli!
I agree BW helped grab the W and he was the spark we needed last night. And he may be called upon again Saturday, so let's hope he delivers. His experience and understanding of the system is very important, but IMO his value ends there. That's not to diminish how important those things are, but there's a reason last year he averaged 20MPG and just 2pts/2reb.

The freshman have more raw talent than BW, but as they have proved, if they are going to be wildly inconsistent on both ends of the court, with KP hurt BW has a role. But I'd rather gamble on Big Steve or Sam Miller to deliver than going straight to BW.

BW was the difference last night, but if we are relying on BW to be the difference for the remainder of the season we are in trouble. Look no further than Saturday. Hassan Martin will eat him up. We need the freshman to step up.

The OP Steve stated BW proved last night why he should be getting 7-10 MPG all season. I couldn't disagree more. My point is let's not be so short sighted. BW had 1 good game against a 200+ RPI, small lineup team.
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I agree BW helped grab the W and he was the spark we needed last night. And he may be called upon again Saturday, so let's hope he delivers. His experience and understanding of the system is very important, but IMO his value ends there. That's not to diminish how important those things are, but there's a reason last year he averaged 20MPG and just 2pts/2reb.

The freshman have more raw talent than BW, but as they have proved, if they are going to be wildly inconsistent on both ends of the court, with KP hurt BW has a role. But I'd rather gamble on Big Steve or Sam Miller to deliver than going straight to BW.

BW was the difference last night, but if we are relying on BW to be the difference for the remainder of the season we are in trouble. Look no further than Saturday. Hassan Martin will eat him up. We need the freshman to step up.

The OP Steve stated BW proved last night why he should be getting 7-10 MPG all season. I couldn't disagree more. My point is let's not be so short sighted. BW had 1 good game against a 200+ RPI, small lineup team.
And your wishful thinking of "stepping up" at this point of the year better stop. Getting quicker, better feet, stronger, and more confident is NOT in a cereal box..Stepping up is a process where one actually has it presently in them to do that but it's being curtailed by other reasons, both physically and/or mentally..

I'll take the BW that was a key cog in their 7 man rotation that was just a few minutes away from reaching the sweet 16 a season ago.......The Oklahoma BIGS that ate BW up and both Pollard and DP a year ago would swallow Mille, Williams, and whoever else you want to throw out there on this date of 2/24/16..
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The last night was the first time this year BW didn't look like a walk-on. We really just need to get Pollard back and healthy.
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The last night was the first time this year BW didn't look like a walk-on.
BW was +9 on the evening, best on the team.

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BW was +9 on the evening, best on the team.
Is there a reason this was directed at me?
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Is there a reason this was directed at me?
to confirm your comment. They don't win without him last night.

At this point I am not holding out a ton of hope to see Pollard again this season. The glass is half empty.
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Right before the game ended, some SLU player hit a meaningless and undefended layup. Then the final buzzer went off. Then the camera panned to AM who seemed to be motioning to that player and giving him a thumbs up in jest. And then AM turned to Crews and sorta shook his hand. Maybe AM was upset at the pointless layup once the game was in hand and that was his way of letting Crews know?
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Archie ***** Slap

Did anyone see near the end of the game during a timeout, one of UD's assistant coaches was talking to the players and Archie came over and shoved/punched him in the collarbone. The coach turned around and seemed stunned. Then the cameras immediately left the scene with no commentary from the broadcast team.

What was up with that? Did I interpret that incorrectly? Was Archie just stressed out? I know I was. Worst game in years reminds me of the NCAAT first round overtime game with DePaul a few years ago.
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I thought Archie intended that for one of his players. Could be wrong but it never crossed my mind that he cared about the meaningless layup.
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Archie could hardly talk after the game, his voice was gone. Have a friend who sits behind the bench that tells me that players tell Archie to calm down (usually Pierre).
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Okay, but...

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The last night was the first time this year BW didn't look like a walk-on. We really just need to get Pollard back and healthy.
Last night was the only time all year BW was utilized like he was not a walkon. See the relationship????!!!
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Other than Schoochie, Kyle and Bobby, the whole team played awful. Hard for the freshmen to come into a game and play well when the 3 or 4 guys they are playing with are lethargic and out of sync. Those four cannot be the leaders at this point. Each of them came in and played poorly, as did the whole team with them on the floor. You have to play and develop the freshmen. Sam and Crosby have been good and bad this year, as has Bobby. Williams and Mikesell give us less than zero with their defense. Bobby played a solid game last night, but he may have an off game coming up, and in will come Sam. Crosby is the best of the bunch and has to play. It was interesting last night that Archie put in DD at point, instead of Crosby. Of course DD was as bad as John, and most of the others.
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That would be the BW that should have NOT languished on the bench playing close to zero mpg most of the year.....Don't care how much potential these freshman have none of them are ready for this MOMENT and say what you will but BW played 35 games last year, averaging over 20 mpg, going against 4's and 5's all year, in some of the most pressurized and intense games anyone will ever play, and hit more than a few big shots and pulled down rebounds...
i think Bobby just pulled ahead of Sam Miller on the Depth chart. I say good!

He's earned time. He plays D. He passes, he picks properly! He can hang with 4's and 5's . big Steve isn't smart enough unfortunately to NOT pickup fouls.

let Bobby be the first "big" off the bench. Played GREAT last night!!!
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Last night was the only time all year BW was utilized like he was not a walkon. See the relationship????!!!
8 min vs. St. Joes and 17 min vs. St. Bona is utilizing BW like a walk-on? BW was utilized more in the beginning of the year as well. He didn't do anything with those minutes, and they began to disappear.
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Did anyone see near the end of the game during a timeout, one of UD's assistant coaches was talking to the players and Archie came over and shoved/punched him in the collarbone. The coach turned around and seemed stunned. Then the cameras immediately left the scene with no commentary from the broadcast team.

What was up with that? Did I interpret that incorrectly? Was Archie just stressed out? I know I was. Worst game in years reminds me of the NCAAT first round overtime game with DePaul a few years ago.
I did see it, and I believe it was right after Archie had just had an animated discussion with a player, I believe Schoochie, about one of our many turnovers. I interpreted it as Archie letting the assistant know just how frustrated he was with the teams lack of focus and their apparent refusal to listen. I didn't take it as anything directed at the coach. More like him saying, "I just can't take it anymore" and punching the assistant on the shoulder like you would a friend.
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Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach View Post
Last night was the only time all year BW was utilized like he was not a walkon.
I understand why Archie has tried to bring Sam along but it just hasn't happened, especially defensively. Going forward I would think Bobby is going to get more minutes in the continued absence of Kendall.
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I thought Archie intended that for one of his players. Could be wrong but it never crossed my mind that he cared about the meaningless layup.
I doubt he cared about the layup. That's the whole point, you let them get it so they run out the clock and there's no fouls. But as a side note, I didn't think he got the shot off before the game clock ran out. Refs decided to give SLU fans one more gift.
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Wehrli, with a dislocated finger?, is that correct?, does he have a dislocated finger now?, shooting a 3 or multiple 3's down the stretch, I can not remember if he shot more than one 3 down the stretch, seemed to be not smart at all.

You do not shoot 3's it seems, when you have a dislocated finger.
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Wehrli with a dislocated finger? shooting a 3 or multiple 3's down the stretch, I can not remember if he shot more than one 3 down the stretch, seemed to be not smart at all.

You do not shoot 3's it seems, when you have a dislocated finger.
The only one he shot late in the game, and missed, was alot closer as it looked like it was going down than any other miss by guys with no dislocated fingers...
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DYK: In the modern era, the 52 points tonight by the #TrueTeam is the fewest total ever scored to win in overtime.
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Let's review some of this game... because it really did seem like St. Bonnies, where they got out to a lead, we normalized, then they charged back and took a lead that it seemed like we were not going to be able to overcome.

SLU goes up 24-16 with 18:25 to play.
Then KD makes a short jumper, and DP gets the "rattle in off the backboard" 3 to make it 24-21 to keep us in touch.

After Scoochie's 3 to make it 25-24, we had 4 opportunities to tie or take the lead... a missed layup, 2 missed 3's, and 2 missed Cooke FT's later....

SLU goes on another run to make it 33-24 12:16 to play, during the period where Milik Yarbrough decided he was a player and scored 8 straight.

Then we remain down 9 at 42-33 with under 8 left. Scoochie converts an and-one to make it 43-43 with 4:33 left.

Then we miss a three to take the lead, and SLU makes it 45-43 on FTs. Cooke makes 1 of 2 FTs to cut it to 45-44. Somewhere after there is the horrible fast break that Scoochie fires a pass at somebody's ankles rather than just taking it to the basket, but whoever it was can't corral it.

We whiff on 3 other possessions, while SLU picks up another FT to make it 46-44.

I LITERALLY threw my remote across the room when McElvene missed the front end at 46-44 with 1:04 left. Then I turned the TV off in disgust. Luckily it didn't break, and 90 seconds later I turned it back on after Scoochie's (apparent) layup to tie the game, with SLU holding the ball to take the lead.

By my count, we had the ball 10-11 times with the score at or within 2 and failed to tie or take the lead. I think the Big Steve missed FT and the messed up fast break shortly before really just pushed me straight over the edge.

We really did look like a bad high school team. Luckily, SLU has the X-factor of Jim Crews, so we were safe.
Spot on.
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DYK: In the modern era, the 52 points tonight by the #TrueTeam is the fewest total ever scored to win in overtime.
...in a non-high school game.
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The only one he shot late in the game, and missed, was alot closer as it looked like it was going down than any other miss by guys with no dislocated fingers...
IIRC, it was also under 10 on the shot clock, and with the way the offense was struggling, Bobby might have said, "I'm wide-open, and Coach wants us to take wide-open shots. Why not?"

And I agree, his shot didn't miss by any more than the ones I saw Cooke or Pierre take.
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DYK: Of the last 6 games where the Flyers have scored 52 or fewer points, 5 of those games were against Saint Louis. 4 on the road.
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DYK: Of the last 6 games where the Flyers have scored 52 or fewer points, 5 of those games were against Saint Louis. 4 on the road.
I thought Rick Majerus was still in that building with the trouble scoring we were having. I can't remember many entertaining matches with them.
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Did anyone see near the end of the game during a timeout, one of UD's assistant coaches was talking to the players and Archie came over and shoved/punched him in the collarbone. The coach turned around and seemed stunned. Then the cameras immediately left the scene with no commentary from the broadcast team.

What was up with that? Did I interpret that incorrectly? Was Archie just stressed out? I know I was. Worst game in years reminds me of the NCAAT first round overtime game with DePaul a few years ago.
I saw it too. He punched Kevin Kuwik. You could see Kevin was dumbfounded. Yes, Archie was stressed out. His voice was gone for the post game interview.

Archie is super intense. He has learned how to be mild mannered in front of the camera, but that action last night you saw a glimpse of his intensity. Archie was high fiving and congratulating players after the game, but right before that he was wound up and punching a coach in the shoulder. (Not a knock out...)

Remember, two years, he said he had to learn how to back off. Archie is very smart, but as intense as probably anyone you will ever meet. I would not have wanted to be a player or coach if they lost that game...
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