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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
Here's the story, altho most here won't read it simply because it's from The Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.c80aa4840bb2

So perhaps USA Today might be acceptable: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/n...grid/96022986/

And yes, WaPo got the headline wrong originally. As The Washigton Examiner points out, the Russkies did not penetrate the grid, but the malware was found on a laptop at the VT utility, which is still scary sh*t:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wa...rticle/2610660

Maybe now you knuckleheads will realize the Russian hack is real, more than just some stupid emails and extremely dangerous to our nation's security. This is not a political issue; it's a matter of grave national import.

And yet Trump and his BFF Pootie will continue to say there is nothing to see here...and you schmucks will believe him.

First of all, I believe the original headline was wrong on purpose. Many other of these so called new organizations saw the wrong headline and ran with it, long before any corrections were made.

As for the laptop itself, what was this laptop used for? Obviously whoever had the lap top was not high enough up the food chain to be connected. How do we know it wasn't an old Gateway 486 connected to a dial up connection that the janitor used to order Dominos pizza online and watch internet porn?

Why all the hate toward your fellow UDpride schmucks and knuckleheads?
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This dramatic story puts the news media in a jackpot. Absent independent verification, reporters will have to rely upon the secret assessments of intelligence agencies to cover the story at all.
Many reporters I know are quietly freaking out about having to go through that again. We all remember the WMD fiasco.
"It's déjà vu all over again" is how one friend put it.
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I think Eric "Otter" Stratton is advising the Obama Administration regarding how to respond to the Russian hack.

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http://nypost.com/2017/01/01/washing...rmont-utility/

The Washington Post has retracted its story about Russian hackers penetrating the nation’s electricity grid with a virus found in a Burlington, Vt., electric company laptop.

“Authorities say there is no indication of that so far [that Russians had penetrated the US electric grid],” according to an editor’s note attached to a corrected version of the story on the paper’s Web site.

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Originally Posted by cj View Post
http://nypost.com/2017/01/01/washing...rmont-utility/

The Washington Post has retracted its story about Russian hackers penetrating the nation’s electricity grid with a virus found in a Burlington, Vt., electric company laptop.

“Authorities say there is no indication of that so far [that Russians had penetrated the US electric grid],” according to an editor’s note attached to a corrected version of the story on the paper’s Web site.

Any comment Swampy?
Not speaking for Swamp but maybe it would be something to try and bring us back together like this. Obviously Swamp is interested in bridging the gap and would never say anything to hurt our feelings. A true reporter

Maybe now you ""knuckleheads"" will realize the Russian hack is real, more than just some stupid emails and extremely dangerous to our nation's security. This is not a political issue; it's a matter of grave national import.

And yet Trump and his BFF Pootie will continue to say there is nothing to see here...and you ""schmucks"" will believe him.

That sounds pretty conciliatory doesn't it Swamp. Just trying to reason with your UD friends. God, if we could only be as smart as you.
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Originally Posted by cj View Post
http://nypost.com/2017/01/01/washing...rmont-utility/

The Washington Post has retracted its story about Russian hackers penetrating the nation’s electricity grid with a virus found in a Burlington, Vt., electric company laptop.

“Authorities say there is no indication of that so far [that Russians had penetrated the US electric grid],” according to an editor’s note attached to a corrected version of the story on the paper’s Web site.

Any comment Swampy?
Considering the fact that I covered the headline error in my original post, no.
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
Considering the fact that I covered the headline error in my original post, no.
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So it's not Fake news? ... it's a Headline error?

What's next from the mainstreamers....the dreaded Headline malfunction?

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I watch a bunch of media and read even more. I am still amazed that there has been no proof that has come out. No direct statements by our agencies. Nothing but media leaks and Obama assertions. How can anyone believe what and who without some facts or reliable sources? If Obama wants to stop Trump's doubt and our doubt, release some facts, and let your agencies speak directly.

The fact that Obama will not release facts, makes me think he is spinning the story. If nineteen agencies agree, release that document.
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I watch a bunch of media and read even more. I am still amazed that there has been no proof that has come out. No direct statements by our agencies. Nothing but media leaks and Obama assertions. How can anyone believe what and who without some facts or reliable sources? If Obama wants to stop Trump's doubt and our doubt, release some facts, and let your agencies speak directly.

The fact that Obama will not release facts, makes me think he is spinning the story. If nineteen agencies agree, release that document.
The Democrats have proven themselves to be so trustworthy. How can anyone doubt their proclamations?
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The Obama administration insists that Russia’s government was behind the penetration of the Democratic National Committee’s email system (even though it admits that the intrusion was not carried out by the government itself). The administration released a report that purportedly provided evidence in support of this claim, but even an amateur like me could see that the report was surprisingly weak.

Then the experts started to weigh in. Their verdict was that the operation termed “Grizzly Steppe” by the Obama administration could possibly have been carried out by Putin’s regime, but the administration’s report contained no evidence at all that pointed toward Russia, let alone the Russian government.
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C'mon, fellas. What's not to believe? Don't let past Democrat errrrr, misquotes, ahhh, misunderstandings and...errr misinterpreted "nuances" such as: "it depends on what your definition of "is" is:, or " I was told by an incredibly reliable source that Romney has not paid taxes in ten years"; or "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"; or "a movie caused the attack on the compound in Benghazi"; or "I recall landing in Bosnia under sniper fire", etc., etc, etc, ad nuaseum, sway your opinion. I'm sure the Dems are telling nothing but the truth, the whole truth as they'd like it to be. Because, after all, it simply depends on what your definition of "truth" is! So, of course it's the dastardly Russkies...would BHO "nuance" you?
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
And yes, WaPo got the headline wrong originally. As The Washigton Examiner points out, the Russkies did not penetrate the grid, but the malware was found on a laptop at the VT utility, which is still scary sh*t
You mean the same sourcecode/malware that is publicly available?

http://arstechnica.com/security/2016...ly-to-rage-on/
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ta-emails.html

So Podesta's password was "password" and he gave it out through a phishing email. That is unbelievable.

"We published several ... emails which show Podesta responding to a phishing email," Assange said during the first part of the interview, which aired on "Hannity" Tuesday night. "Podesta gave out that his password was the word ‘password’. His own staff said this email that you’ve received, this is totally legitimate. So, this is something ... a 14-year-old kid could have hacked Podesta that way."
Assange also claimed that Clinton herself made "almost no attempt" to keep her private emails safe from potentially hostile states during her tenure as secretary of state.
"Now, was she trying to keep them secure from Republicans? Probably," Assange said. "But in terms of [nation-] states, almost no attempt."
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We all wonder how Podesta could be so stupid that he could not get Clinton elected with $110 billion war chest and all that momentum. The you see what his password was. How do people like this put there pants on? Wonder if he changed his password to 1234?
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Its interesting that when Visa or Yahoo accounts get hacked to the tune of 10s of millions of users and vital personal and financial information, nobody runs to the defense of Visa or Yahoo and says "Ohh that's terrible! We need to find the Ukranian schoolboy in his mother's basement and get justice for this! I feel so bad for Visa. They did nothing wrong. Let's rally around them and let them know we're so sorry they were picked on like this."

Just the opposite. We say things like "How could Visa and Yahoo be so lackadaisical and sloppy with such important personal information? How could this happen? Why weren't their servers more secure? They are going to pay for this! They are gonna get a lawsuit and forced to pay millions in fines! What reckless behavior! We want Congressional hearings and people need to go to prison!!"

So why is it any different when Hillary's homebrew servers or the DNC's own servers get supposedly hacked.

Only in politics do servers get hacked and its no longer the fault of the people that own and run the servers. In any other world, your data = your responsibility to be unhackable.
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Can anyone explain if, and how, one can know for sure who hacked? If someone breaks into a bank and there is video, we know for sure, assuming a clear image, who did it. With no video, and some detective saying that in his experience it was so and so, we only have a reasonable guess. So how is it with hacking?

I talked to a government hacking expert last night and asked the same question, and never got a clear answer that said that yes we know with certainty who hacks a computer.

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Can anyone explain if, and how, one can know for sure who hacked? If someone breaks into a bank and there is video, we know for sure, assuming a clear image, who did it. With no video, and some detective saying that in his experience it was so and so, we only have a reasonable guess. So how is it with hacking?

I talked to a government hacking expert last night and asked the same question, and never got a clear answer that said that yes we know with certainty who hacks a computer.

Any tech guys on here that know or can find out?
We know the Russians did it because sWimpy R said so.
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And the President-elect's proof that the Russians didn't do it?

That noted scumbag and fellow Russian synchopant Julian F'ing Assange.

Give me a break.
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Assange has contradicted himself. He's repeatedly said Wikileaks' architecture is designed so that sources are always anonymous and submitted information is untrackable to the source to both protect Wikileaks plausible deniability as only the publisher of leaks and not the leaking agent itself, but also to protect the sources so they are not threatened and mysteriously have pianos fall on their heads.

But then Assange says he knows for certain the Russians did not instigate the hacking.

So if you don't know who provides the leaks to you, how can you know who is NOT providing the leaks to you? There are a couple ways this could be done through certain protocols and procedures that do not contradict one another, but Assange has failed to spell them out to explain the discrepancy, which leads me to believe they don't exist.

My speculation is: Assange is stretching the truth when he says Wikileaks never knows who provides the leaks. All data is trackable even if you have to triangulate a conclusion. Russia is likely not culpable in any major way but Assange only knows this because of the aforementioned which it denies. As likely as Russia is at being the hack, I put equal probability on a mole/Bernie insider. The easiest way to information is being on the inside. Loose lips sink ships and Hillary rubbed Bernie's camp in a very bad way especially after colluding with the media to cheat in the debates.

Lets remind ourselves everybody is hacking everybody. We are hacking Russian intelligence on a daily basis. Even at the top political level. If you think we're hacking Angela Merkel but not Vlady, you are living on the banks of Denial River. Let us also remind ourselves that Hillary Clinton herself made it publicly clear in leaked audio tapes that she wanted to interfere in Palestine elections to the point of ensuring a specific candidate more friendly to the USA would eventually win if a referendum indeed occurred.

What's the difference if we're pulling the strings or Russia is pulling ours? If you want to play in the octagon of cyber intelligence and diplomacy, you have to resign yourself to the fact that you may end up on the losing end of the chess game once in a while. That's not the opposition's fault -- its yours. Its not everyone else's job to not hack you; it's your job to be unhackable. There are bad actors everywhere. Angela Merkel thought we were a bad actor when the NSA hacked her cell phone.

Sometimes you get the bear. Sometimes the bear gets you.

But lets even assume Russia helped Trump win. Trump is the most liberal GOP candidate in probably 50 years. He's going to be the first President-Elect to ever put his hand on the good book and take office as a supporter of gay marriage. He wants to basically give us Recovery and Reinvestment Act 2.0. He wants to keep provisions of Obamacare. He wants to legislate from the oval office just like BHO. The list is extensive. It's not like Russia is installing Milton Friedman.
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In yet another sign that the ‘Russia hacked the election’ narrative is phony, Buzzfeed is reporting that the FBI never even bothered to ask for the DNC server for forensic analysis.

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Trump is an outsider and that's why he is hated. He can call the Senate minority leader "a clown" and most can find it funny because they aren't on the inside either.

The Congress has been set up (Democrats and Republican) to be made fun of by the President. It will be interesting to watch.
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Unbelievable! Just one more smoking gun that the whole case against Russia is built on, at best, circumstantial evidence, and at worst, political bias and hate of Russia.
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I mean if California isn't in debt up to their eyeballs, please correct me.
I thought I saw a post on here yesterday? by somebody about California having a budget surplus, but I can not find it now.

Anyway, the budget surplus does not seem to tell the whole story as California leads the nation in state debt.

Ohio, surprisingly IMO, has the 5th most state debt....Texas, also a surprise, is #3.



http://www.capitolbeatok.com/reports...ll-have-to-pay


California leads the pack with $778 billion in state debt, mostly as a result of the state's $584 billion unfunded public pension liability. New York ($388 billion), Texas ($341 billion), Illinois ($321 billion), and Ohio ($321 billion) round out the top 5 states with the largest amounts of state debt.
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I thought I saw a post on here yesterday? by somebody about California having a budget surplus, but I can not find it now.
http://www.scpr.org/news/2016/11/17/...on-budget-sur/
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I thought I saw a post on here yesterday? by somebody about California having a budget surplus, but I can not find it now.

Anyway, the budget surplus does not seem to tell the whole story as California leads the nation in state debt.

Ohio, surprisingly IMO, has the 5th most state debt....Texas, also a surprise, is #3.



http://www.capitolbeatok.com/reports...ll-have-to-pay


California leads the pack with $778 billion in state debt, mostly as a result of the state's $584 billion unfunded public pension liability. New York ($388 billion), Texas ($341 billion), Illinois ($321 billion), and Ohio ($321 billion) round out the top 5 states with the largest amounts of state debt.
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It's Thursday. Trump said over the weekend that "by Tuesday or Wednesday" he would release the 'secret' information he had on the Russian hacks.

What happened!
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Someone in the U.S. intelligence community–if it has been reported exactly who, I haven’t seen it–has prepared a 50-page report on, among other things, alleged Russian efforts to “meddle” with the 2016 presidential election. That report was delivered to President Obama today, and will go to Donald Trump tomorrow. Naturally, it took only a matter of hours for the Washington Post to be briefed on the report’s contents.

One point, before getting to the Post’s story. It isn’t hard to see what is going on here: Democrats in the intelligence agencies prepared a report for President Obama. The report was immediately leaked by Democrats in the Obama administration (or else Democrats in the intelligence agencies) to Democrats at the Washington Post, so they could slant the story to influence those who will never actually see the report. The purpose of this charade is not to inform President Obama (still less, President-Elect Trump). It is, rather, to advance Democratic Party narratives and undermine the legitimacy of the Trump administration.

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Meanwhile back to the facts. US intelligence has identified the go-between who gave the DNC emails to Wikileaks:

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Meanwhile back to the facts. US intelligence has identified the go-between who gave the DNC emails to Wikileaks:

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump...reports-2017-1

Not sure why I even read this article that is 37 hours old and tells us nothing we have not known for quite sometime, and not sure why I am even asking the question, but could you please tell us where exactly in the article you referenced it tells us "US intelligence has identfied the go between who gave the DNC emails to Wikileaks" Or better yet, who did they identify?
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It says identified not released their identity.
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Well, are they ever going to identify the person/entity then? There has been persistent speculation throughout this incident that the leak came from inside the DNC.

Just seems unfair to assume that it is the Russians without proof. Imagine if Clinton had won, and Trump was making all these accusations, the MSM would be having a major fit.
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So why are we going through all this crap. We all know that Hillary lost the election because she is not a likable person and does not give a **** about the American people that cannot help her politically of financially. She also does not much care about people that will call her out on her lies to manipulate.

The democrats have tried every method they know of to make sweet milk out of this sour puss. Meanwhile Obama has discovered that he did not possess the Charisma he thought he once had and most people hated his policies.

Although they know the emails in the WikiLeaks are true there is a good chance the Russians have something to do with it. This is outrageous although it is standard Government activity since before WW1. Does anybody believe we do not have spies in Russia now?

Light clicks off. I am going to blame Russia for Hillary's defeat and America's democracy. Hell. I will start a war. I am out of here in a couple of weeks. I have nothing to lose. Trump will have to deal with it. He is in a no win situation. If he stands down, he is cowering to Putin his buddy. If it goes to war, there is no way they are going into that terrible terrain and win a victory. My party looks good either way. We win again in 2000. The lives that are lost. Inconsequential to Obama. He is not taking the flack.

If he really cared about America he knows we have the scientist and technology to win a cyber security war. If we were hacked by Russia the only reason was because we let a SOS go rogue and keep her classified information on a unsecured server rather than a Government required secured classified server. Of course we all know the reason that happened.

And there is also the butt face campaign leader that doesn't want to tax himself and uses the word password for an actual password.

The House cannot let Obama's bruised EGO start a war that will end lives for political and revenge reason

All we need to do is upgrade our cyber security. We have to do that any way.
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A member of the MSM asking a legitimate question about the Chinese hacking!? What has the MSM come to?
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This stuff is all political showboating and is so politically biased it is impossible to come to any conclusion, When politicians get involved, it becomes a mess and nothing gets solved. Trump has really great intentions, but he needs to quiet down and quit reacting to Obama, and his peons, and the trouble making media.

The real people being hurt are the the mid and low level workers in the intelligence agencies, who are not playing politics like their bosses and put their sweat and lives on the line. They have constantly been short changed by Obama and now by Trump, and they are ticked.
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Trump tweet: "Only stupid people think that having warm relations with Russia is a bad thing."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/07/politi...&ICID=ref_fark

Meanwhile it's Sunday and Trump said last week he would release the secret info he had on the Russian hacks Tuesday or Wednesday.

So where is it
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Trump tweet: "Only stupid people think that having warm relations with Russia is a bad thing."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/07/politi...&ICID=ref_fark

Meanwhile it's Sunday and Trump said last week he would release the secret info he had on the Russian hacks Tuesday or Wednesday.

So where is it
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Whatever Swampy just tried to say I am in total agreement. Obviously we need to try to pick a war with Russia because we had a rogue SOS that resisted keeping her classified emails on a government provided classified email server setup to prevent these possible hacks. Hmmm, wonder why And there is also her campaign manager that provided an unpenetrable wall of defense with his secure information.

Worsening relations with Russia is the obvious solution to the Administrations incompetency. Maybe Swampy and I can go together to ship off our grandchildren to fight a war created because our 2 presidents are in a ****ing match and the current one has his feelings hurt. Obviously Hillary would have won if the truth were not made available to the public. Did you know that almost every democrat I spoke with has not read any of the wikileak emails but remain convinced they were one of the main reasons Hillary lost? How about you Swampy?

Wait, aren't wars expensive? I wonder how much it would actually cost to really beef up out cyber security. We did plan on that any how, right? The Countries will continue to spy on each other as they always have. We can try to talk some common sense to the leaders responsible for this data.

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The only person to deny that the leaks were true so far was Donna Brazille, who said that she was being persecuted (as a Christian woman) by the line of questioning posed by Megyn Kelly. Shortly after her denials, more leaks surfaced showing further collusion between her and the Clinton campaign. Since then, she crawled into a hole.

I bring this up, because there are no denials from the Democratic side as to the authenticity of the leaks. They are simply upset that they were shared with the public, revealing their corruption and double-talk to the American voter.

If an investigative journalist had come across this information, would it be considered "interference in the election" to release it? Would it be "interference in the election" to keep it from the eyes of the public to favor Clinton?

To me, interference in the election is something very different than the truth being released to voters.
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Can anyone explain if, and how, one can know for sure who hacked? If someone breaks into a bank and there is video, we know for sure, assuming a clear image, who did it. With no video, and some detective saying that in his experience it was so and so, we only have a reasonable guess. So how is it with hacking?

I talked to a government hacking expert last night and asked the same question, and never got a clear answer that said that yes we know with certainty who hacks a computer.

Any tech guys on here that know or can find out?
I ask again??
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Thanks to Barak Obama’s most recent expression of his low character and a foreign policy weirdly akin to fantasy-baseball gone bad, thirty-five U.S.-resident Russian diplomats and their families targeted for rapid deportation feared a frantic search in the holiday crunch for open seats on flights to Moscow.

On Friday, Russia sent an Ilyushin 11-96 to collect everyone and the families’ panic that they might not make their deportation deadlines receded. The embassy’s two retreats, one in New York and another in Maryland, were closed on schedule. Thus was the Obama administration’s maximally-inconvenient timing accommodated.

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But other than a cheap attempt to delegitimize President-elect Trump, what led the Obama administration to pursue a gambit that delivered them a very public humiliation?

Team Obama’s Russian election hacking allegations had three additional short term goals:

1) To get President-elect Trump crosswise regarding foreign policy with a still largely neocon-aligned U.S. Congress. First came the abstention from voting on the U.N. Security Council’s resolution condemning Israeli settlements as illegal, which was followed by the Russian holiday hacking operetta with a view to next inserting Iran as a rough wedge between the two. (U.S. insistence on Russia forsaking Iran – or China – will make short work of any progress Trump and Rex Tillerson might manage in the U.S.-Russian relationship.)

2)To provide Hillary Clinton with a smokescreen to escape the calumny of having spent over a billion and a half dollars of other people’s money on a self-designed electoral bust, which, in turn, is meant to discourage a future Attorney General Jeffrey Sessions from further investigation into the Clinton Foundation’s criminal pay-for-play set-up, the initial attack on F.B.I. director James Comey having been judged unwise and therefore scuttled.

3)To have the theme of Russian interference at the ready for Angela Merkel’s re-election campaign later this year. (A glance at the German press will show that this one’s already afoot.)


Those are the short-term goals of what will prove to be an ongoing neo-con vilification of Russia. What then is the long term goal of reanimating cold war nonsense 25 years after the Soviet Union’s demise?
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While I am not a supporter of President-Elect Trump, I am a supporter of sorting out the truth. When it comes to the 'Russian hacking' allegations, I agree with Julian Assange that there just isn't any evidence or proof that has been provided.

Since the end of World War II up until the year 2000, the U.S. government meddled in 81 different elections around the world. ​​Perhaps we Americans should focus on what our own government does instead of stirring up trouble with outsiders for political advantages.

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As for the notion, implied but never directly stated, that the Russians essentially handed President-Elect Donald J. Trump his victory, the report is even more telling. But we’ll get to this in due time.

(1)The authors of the ICA inform us in advance that because this is a “declassified” version of a “highly classified assessment,” the “full supporting information” that can (allegedly) be found in the latter to show that the Kremlin launched an “influence campaign” is absent from the former.

To repeat: One needn’t read any further than the first page of this “assessment” to discover that the remaining 24 pages will not provide any more substantiation for the charge against Russia that Trump’s detractors have been making since not long after Election Day.

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That is, there is no substantiation disclosed in the version of the ICA that is available to the public.

But matters are even worse than this.

(2)Even the original classified document lacks proof for the charge made. The report is an “assessment” based on the “judgements” of the CIA, FBI, and NSA. On page 13, we are told how our intelligence agencies understand these terms. “Judgements are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact.” As for assessments, these “are based on collected information, which is often incomplete or fragmentary, as well as logic, argumentation, and precedents” (emphases added).

However plausible is the idea that the Russian government, like the governments of America, China, Israel, and a whole lot of other countries, tried to influence the politics of another nation, the US Intelligence Community admits to having zero “proof” that the Russians did any such thing. It also admits that the information on the basis of which it levels this ****ing accusation against the second most heavily nuclear-armed nation on the planet is “incomplete or fragmentary.”

(3)Since there was never any intention on the part of our intelligence agencies to supply any proof for their claim, the question arises: Why release this document at all?

The answer, I submit, is obvious enough. The political hacks who preside over the American intelligence community are motivated by exactly the same aching desire to undermine Trump that fuels leftist Democrat politicians and their media propagandists.

Unless this was the case, the thoughtful must ask, then why, when the report itself concedes that Russia has long sought to intervene in American elections, is the American government only now, after this election, making, quite literally, a public case out of it?

Why has our government permitted this to not only continue but (allegedly) worsen?

Why, after the most rancorous of election contests and at a time when the country remains as heavily divided as it is, why would anyone at this critical moment during a presidential-transition announce that a foreign government interjected in the election?

The most plausible answer to all of these questions is that Trump’s opponents want for Americans to think that if not for Russian interference, Hillary Clinton would be preparing to assume the office of the Presidency.

They want for Americans to think that Trump won 30 of America’s 50 states and 2600 of her 3100 counties because Vladimir Putin cheated for him.

The ICA is intended to lend a veneer of authority to this insinuation.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/01/...rwick/baloney/
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Many in the national media are certain that hacked emails hurt Hillary Clinton's chances in the election, but their reports and columns rarely cite any of the emails' contents that would have presumably affected the outcome.

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I love this. The reports state that none of the information delivered had been altered or forged in any way. Now if you ask the democrats to name the ones that impacted the vote they are forced to acknowledge the indiscretions and that is why they have been ignoring them all along hoping to get a foul called eventually without addressing the content of the leaks.

I have found for myself that most casual democrats have never read any of the leaks as they were directed not to. Such a faithful little following. How about you Swampy, did you actually read them or do you still have your blindfold on
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How about you Swampy, did you actually read them or do you still have your blindfold on
Why would Swampy read a link someone else posts, when he does not even read anything but the misleading headlines on the links he posts?
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Not sure if this was already posted.

Murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich may have been the source of the Clinton and Podesta email leaks.


http://yournewswire.com/wikileaks-se...linton-emails/

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FBI, 5 other agencies to probe Kremlin aid to Trump:

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Keep beating that horse Swampy.

There is one way to prevent any meddling in future elections. Mandatory Voter ID.
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A traditional, old-school Liberal's rational response to DJT's inauguration and some of the mythical "issues" surrounding it:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...lumn/96669492/
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The New York Times is reporting that intercepted Russian communications are part of inquiry into Trump associates including Roger Stone and Paul Manafort:

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Here's my 2 cents on Hacking - Russia, China, Germany... they all are doing it. And we are doing it to them. The real issue is some of these countries are doing it better than we are. We have fallen behind in cyber security in America. That's happened sometime in the last 8 years...and who's watch was that?

This buck stops at the Oval Office desk. If Obama had spent half as much time working on cyber security as he did golfing the last 8 years, we would be a safer America. Trump already has a team working on a plan to get our cyber security back on top and the best in the world. It'll get fixed and then the Dems will have to come up with another excuse for losing elections.
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The media and Swampy want everyone to believe that the Russians hacked the election and they are pushing that narrative. There is ZERO evidence that the Russians had any effect on the election between Trump and HRC.
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