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Originally Posted by UACFlyer View Post
Fudd, your points may all be entirely valid. We are at a unique time in the political history of the Country...and the result has been behavior on the part of some that likely is illegal and unethical.

Surely, I will not attempt to justify that. But, I do understand it's cause. We have never elected a president who is so obviously unqualified to execute the responsibilities of the office.....by way of experience, knowledge, judgement and temperament. And that has scared a lot of people....some in government....prompting unprecedented and inappropriate behavior.

The notion of Bernie in the White House is ghastly....but he wouldn't scare people in the way Donald Trump does. This has nothing whatsoever to do with "Trump-hating" or anything similar. Indeed, I'm hopeful that his policies are successful. Nonetheless, failure to recognize the potential peril that comes with the entire Trump package is to be in a state of denial.
UAC, the portion of your post that is highlighted is exactly the problem, IMO. The very individuals within our government who pardoned Hillary and then acted beyond their authority to sway the Presidential campaign in favor of Hillary and have continued to attack Trump through abuse of power into his Presidency believe that they are justified because they also feel he is unqualified, etc, etc.

They refuse to honor the will of the electoral college because they think they are righteous. They believe that they are so righteous that they have decided to take matters of the leadership of our country out of the hands of the voters, and into their own corrupt hands.

If you, personally, feel that a President is "unqualified" are you willing to turn your back on the law and the rules of our governmental system in the hopes that that President will be "taken out" by any means necessary to do so? If so, that is more frightening to me than any aspect of an elected President. I think that attitude exists within our "deep state" and is becoming more widespread throughout the country. That is extremely alarming to me. It's becoming "anything goes".

When the Russia investigation began, you said that you were concerned about Russians influencing our election. That created the necessity for the investigation. Now, that evidence is accumulating that Trump was the victim of Russian collusion with the Hillary campaign, do you still feel it is important to go where the evidence leads? Or does the investigation turn in another direction because it is not satisfied by the political direction that the evidence is leading us? It is beginning to look like a anti-Trump mining expedition rather than an inquiry to protect us from Russian collusion. You keep undermining your credibility in this by stating that Trump deserves to be illegally undermined because you think he is "unqualified".

Well, unfortunately for you, voters did not consider him "unqualified" on election day. And the Constitution is not tolerant of illegal activity to undermine the Presidency.

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Being vetted for clearance is a very thorough, complete process....but no citizen who has a "need" for a clearance will have any trouble being cleared so long as they are "clean",....completely clean. When there is a long unexplained delay it means "something" has been turned up. Kushner, the President's closest advisor has not received a clearance. Hello?
I have to disagree with you on this UAC. My clearance is 18 months behind schedule. There is not problem. There are 3 people in my group with the exact same problem. There are more people waiting for investigations than there are investigators. They told us early things were running about a year behind.

I had a friend across the hall that was forced to leave after he crossed the 2 year mark while they did an emergency clearance. They cleared him in 3 days.

When did you become privy to what is going on with Kushner's clearance? You seem to think you have the answers! Perhaps you can tell me why I have not gotten clearance yet. People that run amock at the mouth **** me off! Hello?
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UAC - the notion of Bernie or Hillary in the White House does scare me a heck of a lot more than having Trump in the White House. One is a socialist, the other is a criminal. At least you have someone in there enacting good policies. Bernie or Hillary would be enacting horrible policies.
I agree completely, Mich. As I said, I support the President's policies and I hope they are successful.

I think primary concern re Trump is focused on potential international crises that a president occasionally has to face.

And, it seems possible that the on-going chaos may at some time reach a breaking point for the public....the Rob Porter affair being the latest unsettling happening. That, in turn, focused attention on the unprecedented departure from norms re security clearances for senior WH staff. People sitting at the President's right hand, so to speak, should have no trouble whatsoever getting security clearances. It seems to never end.
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Originally Posted by UACFlyer View Post
I agree completely, Mich. As I said, I support the President's policies and I hope they are successful.

I think primary concern re Trump is focused on potential international crises that a president occasionally has to face.

And, it seems possible that the on-going chaos may at some time reach a breaking point for the public....the Rob Porter affair being the latest unsettling happening. That, in turn, focused attention on the unprecedented departure from norms re security clearances for senior WH staff. People sitting at the President's right hand, so to speak, should have no trouble whatsoever getting security clearances. It seems to never end.
I have never asked UAC but what is your career? You seem to know a lot about security clearances and how they normally work with white house staff. I too would think they would be able to jump to the head of the line due to the nature of their work but I admittedly do not know.

Are you assuming that there are people in the white house staff that think they have certain people on staff that would be at risk of failing their clearance investigation? Do you think they have told those people they do not need a clearance? Do you think these people are somehow able to influence or delay the clearance investigations? I do believe that such an attempt would be extremely risky to their own clearance and career.

Unless you really have inside knowledge you are making some stinging off the cuff accusations based on your assumptions. I am not saying your logic is wrong but it would never hold up in court unless it was a kangaroo court.

BTW, I totally agree with your assessment of the Rob Porter affair. There were so many better ways to handle that.
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Originally Posted by UACFlyer View Post
The notion of Bernie in the White House is ghastly....but he wouldn't scare people in the way Donald Trump does.
What should scare the people is what his own party did to him during the campaign. That should scare the people, politicians, etc.

We can bash trump all day long. I voted for the guy due to the fact HRC was the other option. Other candidates would have been my choice. He's stated things that made me cringe. With that said, I do believe he has the best interests of the PEOPLE in mind versus HRC who had her best interests in mind and a Bernie that had off the wall interests in mind.

I hear the DT naysayers all day long, but I don't hear the Swampy's and other hard core leftists pushing the issues of what HRC did to their own party. That scares me as an Independent tenfold compared to the fabricated arguments that half of the never DT's keep spouting off. Such as "he's a racist', "he's got bad hair", "he's an uneducated idiot", etc...
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I agree completely, Mich. As I said, I support the President's policies and I hope they are successful.
I hear you say this, but your shifting support for parties (candidates) make many wonder.

You were very critical of Obama and Trump. You obviously have right leaning opinions towards many issues that we have discussed in other threads and left leaning opinions on others...(gun control debate and collective bargaining debate). That would put you with me in a middle of the road party.

Who was your ideal candidate in the last election?
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Pretty good assessment, shocka....

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I hear you say this, but your shifting support for parties (candidates) make many wonder.

You were very critical of Obama and Trump. You obviously have right leaning opinions towards many issues that we have discussed in other threads and left leaning opinions on others...(gun control debate and collective bargaining debate). That would put you with me in a middle of the road party.

Who was your ideal candidate in the last election?
I am pretty close to the middle politically,....but certainly to the right of center. And I believe that views to the far right or far left are not in the best interests of America.

I don't know that I had an "ideal" candidate in the election. But, I voted for John Kasich as a write-in.
Interestingly, Kasich is a bit to the left on some issues and to the right on others. ...kinda like me. Most important, I strongly favor a candidate who has been a governor...and in JK's case, a guy who has much experience in Washington, especially re budgetary matters.
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I have never asked UAC but what is your career? You seem to know a lot about security clearances and how they normally work with white house staff. I too would think they would be able to jump to the head of the line due to the nature of their work but I admittedly do not know.

Are you assuming that there are people in the white house staff that think they have certain people on staff that would be at risk of failing their clearance investigation? Do you think they have told those people they do not need a clearance? Do you think these people are somehow able to influence or delay the clearance investigations? I do believe that such an attempt would be extremely risky to their own clearance and career.

Unless you really have inside knowledge you are making some stinging off the cuff accusations based on your assumptions. I am not saying your logic is wrong but it would never hold up in court unless it was a kangaroo court.

BTW, I totally agree with your assessment of the Rob Porter affair. There were so many better ways to handle that.
My career was that of a scientist and later technology manager for a very large company with major businesses in the defense sector. My job required a security clearance and the people that worked for me required clearances, sometimes at a level higher than mine.

Anyone working in the West Wing requires a security clearance...everyone, including those that do the janitorial work. It's not an option. Of course those that are on the president's staff require clearance at a different level.....some at the very highest level.

The process of obtaining a clearance is thorough and complete and digs very deeply into all aspects of a person's background for a high-level clearance. However, any person needing such a clearance will have no difficulty if nothing is uncovered in their background that causes concern. It's a rare Prider that would not pass such a security check.

Apparently there are people on the President' staff that have not yet received clearance after being on the job for the better part of a year. That means an "issue" of some sort turned up. In the case of Porter we now know what that issue was.

As far as I know the President's sons and daughter and his son-in-law have not been cleared....and it's been a year. Whatever their issues are they should be resolved. If they cannot be resolved they should not be permitted to set foot in the West Wing, much less work for the President. I don't know if the President has the authority to waive the security requirements or order that a clearance be granted. I assume that he does. But, apparently that has not happened. The Porter affair surely will focus attention on this issue.
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I just read that if a WH staffer cannot get a permanent clearance he/she has to leave the job.

A bit more: In investigating a person's background the FBI is especially wary of anything that could possibly be used to blackmail a person,...in Porter's case it was spousal abuse, it could be a problem with alcohol, gambling, sexual issues, close relatives living in a foreign country....a long list of possibilities. That does not mean that every person unable to gain clearance is a bad person or an untrustworthy person.

The government is very picky about this. I have a personal example that illustrates the point. I had a very prominent, world renown scientist working for me. At the time he was in his 60s....an absolutely wonderful man by any/all measures and 100% trustworthy. But, when he was a college student in the 1950s he was a member of a college group of communist sympathizers. That was in the `50s at the heart of the cold war period in the wake of the McCarthy era. That brief experience of an impressionable young college student was some 40 years in the past...but it hounded him for the rest of his professional life. Our company was unable to gain a security clearance for him...and the clearance we were seeking was not at a very high level.

So, whatever the reason certain WH staffers have yet to receive permanent clearances one of two things should have happened by now: 1) they should be removed from their positions; 2) if the issue that is stumbling block is sort of a technicality that the President can override, then that should happen. Continuing work with an interim clearance is not an option. Clearing these things up is Kelly's responsibility....not the President's.

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Currently, corruption and scandal is owned by Democrats.
Do you paying attention to current events at all, or only consume what Hannity tells you? This is an absurd post.

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Do you paying attention to current events at all, or only consume what Hannity tells you? This is an absurd post.
The same question on whether you are paying any attention can be thrown right back at you.

The investigations into Trump are only serving one purpose, and that is to expose all of the levels of corruption that were present not only in Hillary's campaign, but also the Obama administration and the FBI. We are looking at some of the worst abuses of power in our government this country has ever seen. Open your eyes man.
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The notion of Bernie in the White House is ghastly....but he wouldn't scare people in the way Donald Trump does.
This is such a ridiculous statement.

The only people "scared" of President Trump is Dems because they are losing power.

Bernie is exactly the kind of person who would scare the crap out of me being in the White House. I care about the future of this country and the policies our President will implement, not the personality of the person. This country is finally going in the right direction, and I believe President Trump is a big reason why. It would have been status quo if Hillary had won with a continuation of BO's policies and corruption, and even a sharper turn to the left if Bernie had won.

I know the left lives and dies by polls, so I will point out that the one of the most accurate polls from the 2016 election now has Trump's approval rating nearing 50%, so I guarantee you the only people who are scared of Trump are Dems......well and you.

Can't remember who said this, but it rings so true today.

What's good for America is bad for Democrats. What's bad for America is good for Democrats.
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That would put you with me in a middle of the road party.
Shocka middle of the road? Come on grasshopper, who you trying to kid?
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Shocka middle of the road? Come on grasshopper, who you trying to kid?
One issue I side with the D's on is CBA's....some of the others I don't care about...right on most else...I would say strength opinions on some items bring be back towards the middle.

My main concern now is the country that we are going to leave our children. National security, finances, economy, integrity of government, not caving to snowflakes and a PC society, etc...

Weed, whether Steve can marry Bill, life issues...that has no bearing on the ability for my children to thrive in this country...important issues and I do feel strongly about...but throwaways to the others that are at the top of my list right now
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Weed, whether Steve can marry Bill, life issues...that has no bearing on the ability for my children to thrive in this country...important issues and I do feel strongly about...but throwaways to the others that are at the top of my list right now
Bingo- you hit the nail on the head. Some in the republican party spend way too much time and energy on the above issues, neglecting the more important ones you listed above. In many cases, alienating people who are some of the most right leaning people you would ever meet in life. I have a few "Steves and Bills" as clients, as well as a cousin, who are among the most conservative people in the world, but long before Trump gave up any and all support for almost any candidate on the right.
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This is such a ridiculous statement. (The notion of Sanders in the WH scares people...but not in the way Trump does.)
The only people "scared" of President Trump is Dems because they are losing power.

Bernie is exactly the kind of person who would scare the crap out of me being in the White House. I care about the future of this country and the policies our President will implement, not the personality of the person. This country is finally going in the right direction, and I believe President Trump is a big reason why. It would have been status quo if Hillary had won with a continuation of BO's policies and corruption, and even a sharper turn to the left if Bernie had won.

I know the left lives and dies by polls, so I will point out that the one of the most accurate polls from the 2016 election now has Trump's approval rating nearing 50%, so I guarantee you the only people who are scared of Trump are Dems......well and you.

Can't remember who said this, but it rings so true today.

What's good for America is bad for Democrats. What's bad for America is good for Democrats.
It's not a ridiculous statement JimBob...you just don't understand it.

Of course, the idea of Sanders (or even Warren) in the WH is scary. But your remarks suggest that you'd be OK with Attila the Hun in the WH so long as you agreed with his policies.

The issue that scares people most about Trump has nothing to do with policies and everything to do with the "Commander-in-Chief's" temperament.
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One issue I side with the D's on is CBA's....some of the others I don't care about...right on most else...I would say strength opinions on some items bring be back towards the middle.

My main concern now is the country that we are going to leave our children. National security, finances, economy, integrity of government, not caving to snowflakes and a PC society, etc...

Weed, whether Steve can marry Bill, life issues...that has no bearing on the ability for my children to thrive in this country...important issues and I do feel strongly about...but throwaways to the others that are at the top of my list right now
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It's not a ridiculous statement JimBob...you just don't understand it.

Of course, the idea of Sanders (or even Warren) in the WH is scary. But your remarks suggest that you'd be OK with Attila the Hun in the WH so long as you agreed with his policies.

The issue that scares people most about Trump has nothing to do with policies and everything to do with the "Commander-in-Chief's" temperament.
UAC - Do you really think people are scared of Trump or they think he is a D-bag? I voted for him, not scared of him but do think he is a bit of a D-bag.
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UAC - Do you really think people are scared of Trump or they think he is a D-bag? I voted for him, not scared of him but do think he is a bit of a D-bag.
When it comes to domestic issues, while people may not agree with Trump and his policies, they are not afraid him...i.e., "afraid" of the consequences of what he might do.

When it comes to international affairs...particularly those that affect national security and might involve armed conflict,...I think a very substantial percentage of the population, incl some that voted for him, are very much afraid.....because in such situations DJT so obviously beyond his depth of understanding. That combined with his erratic temperament causes concern among many people.

Re the second issue, that doesn't mean bad things are going to happen. We have the likes of Kelly, McMaster, Tillerson, Mattis, Haley to "protect us"...to take any action the President would have to get past that group I think (hope).

There may even be a positive side if you're inclined to a bit of wishful thinking. In dealing with the NK issue it might not be a bad thing if the Chinese believe the guy in the WH is a little bit nuts and capable of rash action. If China becomes as worried as we are about NK they (China) might act positively for the first time. "Might". This is a dangerous game.
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When it comes to domestic issues, while people may not agree with Trump and his policies, they are not afraid him...i.e., "afraid" of the consequences of what he might do.

When it comes to international affairs...particularly those that affect national security and might involve armed conflict,...I think a very substantial percentage of the population, incl some that voted for him, are very much afraid.....because in such situations DJT so obviously beyond his depth of understanding. That combined with his erratic temperament causes concern among many people.

Re the second issue, that doesn't mean bad things are going to happen. We have the likes of Kelly, McMaster, Tillerson, Mattis, Haley to "protect us"...to take any action the President would have to get past that group I think (hope).

There may even be a positive side if you're inclined to a bit of wishful thinking. In dealing with the NK issue it might not be a bad thing if the Chinese believe the guy in the WH is a little bit nuts and capable of rash action. If China becomes as worried as we are about NK they (China) might act positively for the first time. "Might". This is a dangerous game.
What do you consider substantial? I think you are correlating your own concerns as being the same as the general population. For all the Trump bashing that goes on in the media, I really don't hear that concern being echoed.
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Substantial?

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What do you consider substantial? I think you are correlating your own concerns as being the same as the general population. For all the Trump bashing that goes on in the media, I really don't hear that concern being echoed.
"Substantial" is a subjective word and I'd be happy to remove it from my post.

As far as "concern" over DJT's handling of critical international issues, I think the percentage of people concerned is not small....e.g., less than 10-15%. Since about half the people voted against Trump, and some that voted for him have expressed concern, I'd guess that in the ballpark of 40-60% of the population are more than a little uneasy re how Trump will deal with NK, for example, if NK were to accelerate long range missile tests, or, godforbid, conduct an atmospheric nuclear test. This is an opinion.

If that were to happen there is reason for grave concern no matter who is president...because such a gross provocation could not go unanswered. And, the consequences of a U.S. response could be horrific. Frankly, a reason I am not overly concerned by the fact that Trump would be involved is because I really believe that he's in so far over his head that U.S. reaction would be
decided by the Kelly, Mattis et al team....not by Trump.

On a personal note, if after the Olympics NK would get back on track and do something really provocative....the action I would favor is a naval blockade of NK's main ports....which is a level far above sanctions but doesn't involve shooting. True, the NK people will suffer the most...but they are suffering now.
But, before shooting or preemptive strikes I'd prefer efforts to shut off supplies to NK that are a quantum step above sanctions, e.g., a naval blockade. Again, just an opinion. Whatever, we can't stand by while NK continues on course to develop a nuclear delivery system. Trump vowed he would not allow that. He may have to back that up. (But it will McMaster, Mattis et al that will do the thinking.)

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UAC - I am not trying to catch you on your use of the word substantial. I truly just want to know how much of the US population really has the same overriding concern with Trump that you have.

Half the voting population didn't even vote. Do you think they are concerned? Yes a % that voted for Trump is concerned but I also think that a % that voted for someone other than him also do not care. I just think you are giving the average Joe on the street too much credit for even understanding what is at play. Too often we only view things through the eyes of people we rub up against every day and not the many more we really don't think that much about.
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UAC - I am not trying to catch you on your use of the word substantial. I truly just want to know how much of the US population really has the same overriding concern with Trump that you have.

Half the voting population didn't even vote. Do you think they are concerned? Yes a % that voted for Trump is concerned but I also think that a % that voted for someone other than him also do not care. I just think you are giving the average Joe on the street too much credit for even understanding what is at play. Too often we only view things through the eyes of people we rub up against every day and not the many more we really don't think that much about.
I have no trouble with that explanation. That's democracy for you....a vote is a vote no matter who votes. So if the average Joe on the street isn't concerned because he doesn't even understand "what is at play".....then Joe's opinion, if any, doesn't mean much, does it

As for the percentage that really does understand what's at play, whatever that percentage may be,....it makes sense to pay attention to what concerns them. Doesn't that make sense, CE?
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Another thing the average Joe doesn't care about is the national debt...seems the President doesn't either. Yesterday during his congressional testimony National Security Director Dan Coats explained that the debt and its growth rate is the greatest threat to the national security of the United States. That's quite a statement coming from the Nation's top security official.

What he was referring to, of course, is that the budget squeeze is bleeding the DoD budget white, to the point that we are "on the verge of not having the ability to defend ourselves". And, of course, the reason the debt is out of control is unsustainable entitlement spending.
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Do you paying attention to current events at all, or only consume what Hannity tells you? This is an absurd post.
The absurdity is your inability to get past your deranged hatred of Trump/Republicans. You're so consumed with blind partisanship for your party that you're in total denial. In your mind, massive corruption is acceptable as long as its used against the opposition candidate and political party. By the way, I'm more of a Tucker Carlson/Rush Limbaugh type guy and very informed. Also, I suggest that you turn to other sources of news besides the liberal mainstream media crap that you're spoon-fed on a daily basis.
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Each of the last few Presidents have made dropping the debt a campaign issue, but each went hog-wild spending. It's really Congress that decides what and how we will spend, but the President has veto power. If you cause a government shutdown over it, you are demonized, so what is the solution? We vote in the Congress and the President.

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I have no trouble with that explanation. That's democracy for you....a vote is a vote no matter who votes. So if the average Joe on the street isn't concerned because he doesn't even understand "what is at play".....then Joe's opinion, if any, doesn't mean much, does it

As for the percentage that really does understand what's at play, whatever that percentage may be,....it makes sense to pay attention to what concerns them. Doesn't that make sense, CE?
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Another thing the average Joe doesn't care about is the national debt...seems the President doesn't either. Yesterday during his congressional testimony National Security Director Dan Coats explained that the debt and its growth rate is the greatest threat to the national security of the United States. That's quite a statement coming from the Nation's top security official.

What he was referring to, of course, is that the budget squeeze is bleeding the DoD budget white, to the point that we are "on the verge of not having the ability to defend ourselves". And, of course, the reason the debt is out of control is unsustainable entitlement spending.
WTF UAC. Arguing with you is like arguing with my wife. You change the argument and try to use my argument against me.

You said a substantial amount of the population is worried about what Trump could do in the international front. I pretty much said BS and said it is not so and almost think you end up agreeing with me but then you change it to of course they are only worried about what concerns them which is my point - a substantial part of the population is not worried about what Trump could do on the international front.

Yes they probably should be worried but they are not and yes they should be worried about the national debt. As you would say - yesh!!
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BREAKING: More than 130 political appointees working in White House didn't have permanent security clearances as of November 2017, including Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner and Don McGahn, according to internal documents obtained by NBC News

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WTF UAC. Arguing with you is like arguing with my wife. You change the argument and try to use my argument against me.

You said a substantial amount of the population is worried about what Trump could do in the international front. I pretty much said BS and said it is not so and almost think you end up agreeing with me but then you change it to of course they are only worried about what concerns them which is my point - a substantial part of the population is not worried about what Trump could do on the international front.

Yes they probably should be worried but they are not and yes they should be worried about the national debt. As you would say - yesh!!
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Partial list of W.H. officials lacking permanent security clearances as of November 2017, per NBC News:

Ivanka Trump
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Fiona Hill
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Do you want to know what it's really like in the Trump White House?

Do you?

Then read this interview with former WH Chief of Staff Reince Priebus:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...social_twitter

And don't even bother dismissing this article because it's from Vanity Fair. It contains direct quotes from Priebus such this:

“Take everything you’ve heard and multiply it by 50.”

And descriptions of how dire the situation was such as this:

Obama’s staff had spent months preparing voluminous transition briefs, thick binders designed to help the next administration get up to speed on subjects ranging from Iran to Cuba to climate change. Every previous incoming team had studied such volumes with care. But as the inauguration drew near, McDonough realized that the binders had not even been opened: “All the paperwork, all the briefings that had been prepared for their transition team, went unused,” he said. “Unread. Unreviewed.”


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Stormy Daniels has ‘a Monica Lewinsky dress’ to test for Trump’s DNA, report says

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Meet Karen McDougal, the Playboy model who Trump had an affair with before Stormy Daniels. She kept an 8 page hand written account of their tryst. The National Enquirer paid her $150,000 right before the election for her story--and never published it:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...karen-mcdougal

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Stormy Daniels has ‘a Monica Lewinsky dress’ to test for Trump’s DNA, report says

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02....&ICID=ref_fark

So I have clicked on exactly ONE link of yours in the past week, and it was a broken link. Surprise suprise.

But with google being my friend, I found an article on this subject. Dress is from 2006, which by my math is a decade before Trump was in office. Yes the same oval office that Slick Willy did his intern Monica in. Big time difference. If any of it is even true.
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Meet Karen McDougal, the Playboy model who Trump had an affair with before Stormy Daniels. She kept an 8 page hand written account of their tryst. The National Enquirer paid her $150,000 right before the election for her story--and never published it:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...karen-mcdougal
We are now down to using the National Enquirer as a reference. On the other hand they are probably just as credible, or incredible as CNN.
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We are now down to using the National Enquirer as a reference.
If you read the article (and that's a big if with this crowd) you would know that:

a) the source of the article is The New Yorker not The Enquirer

b) The National Enquirer is owned by Trump ally David Pecker (yes, that's his real name).

This journalistic practice is called "catch and kill" and Pecker is a master at it.
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
If you read the article (and that's a big if with this crowd) you would know that:

a) the source of the article is The New Yorker not The Enquirer

b) The National Enquirer is owned by Trump ally David Pecker (yes, that's his real name).

This journalistic practice is called "catch and kill" and Pecker is a master at it.
You quoted the National Enquirer as a source. Maybe be more accurate, because I am not going to ever read anything, about anybody with that as the source.

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You quoted the National Enquirer as a source. Maybe be more accurate, because I am not going to ever read anything, about anybody with that as the source.
You really cannot read can you? I quoted a piece from The New Yorker which referenced the fact that The Enquirer (owned by noted Trump enabler David Pecker) "caught and killed" the article on Ms. McDermott.

The New Yorker = source

The Enquirer = subject of article by source
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
You really cannot read can you? I quoted a piece from The New Yorker which referenced the fact that The Enquirer (owned by noted Trump enabler David Pecker) "caught and killed" the article on Ms. McDermott.

The New Yorker = source

The Enquirer = subject of article by source
Exactly, so you agree with me.
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Stock market update???

It has been over a week since we saw a market update from Swimpy, ZMZ, or anyone else, why? Have we hit 15,000 yet?

Oh wait, I just looked for myself, it appears we have had 6 straight positive days and regained most of what was lost in the "great crash of 2018"!

Yes, I know we will have good and bad days, and we were due for a correction. Yes, I know it is only a matter of time until one of our short sited liberal friends on here throw this post back in my face, but I just wanted to take the opportunity to point out how stupid your daily updates were pointing out we had crashed 270 points already in the first hour. If you want to be fair and balanced, post the good days too!

Good day gentlemen, cheers!
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New White House security clearance policy could put ‘bull’s eye’ on Kushner:

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Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President. The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong - no collusion!

Yeah about that:

May 27, 2013
Trump researching 2016 run


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Michael Cohen, executive vice president and special counsel to Trump, told us they commissioned the $1 million in research
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It has been over a week since we saw a market update from Swimpy, ZMZ, or anyone else, why? Have we hit 15,000 yet?

Oh wait, I just looked for myself, it appears we have had 6 straight positive days and regained most of what was lost in the "great crash of 2018"!

Yes, I know we will have good and bad days, and we were due for a correction. Yes, I know it is only a matter of time until one of our short sited liberal friends on here throw this post back in my face, but I just wanted to take the opportunity to point out how stupid your daily updates were pointing out we had crashed 270 points already in the first hour. If you want to be fair and balanced, post the good days too!

Good day gentlemen, cheers!
That's good! I'm happy when the stock market goes up!

The President is the only one who is obsessed with the daily updates (per his own twitter account when he solely takes credit for the surging stock market)
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I thought it was funny that CNN had a stock ticker featured on their screen during the correction a few weeks ago. Where were they during the meteoric rise? Oh, CNN, you are propaganda.
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Dow in a freefall, down 1000 points today
Originally Posted by zmz723 View Post
That's good! I'm happy when the stock market goes up!

The President is the only one who is obsessed with the daily updates (per his own twitter account when he solely takes credit for the surging stock market)
Glad to hear your happy when the markets are up. Your pointing out is was down led me to believe otherwise. Someone else on here is happy when it goes down or any other bad things happen in our country so he can post and gloat about the negative things in our country. Ever since we elected our new commander in chief a little over a year ago, most of the things he tries to gloat about are proven to be fake news. #Draintheswamp
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Of course I'm happy when the markets are up. Makes my financial future even more rosy.

Meanwhile:
“White House aides advised the president against golfing so soon after the tragedy, so Trump spent much of the holiday weekend watching cable television news and grousing to club members and advisers.”
https://apnews.com/9cea7632a86440589c1c442816021245

He had to be told not to golf, 40 minutes away from Parkland, the day after it happened. He had to be told not to do it. By, apparently, multiple people.

He wanted to golf.
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Originally Posted by zmz723 View Post
Of course I'm happy when the markets are up. Makes my financial future even more rosy.

Meanwhile:
“White House aides advised the president against golfing so soon after the tragedy, so Trump spent much of the holiday weekend watching cable television news and grousing to club members and advisers.”
https://apnews.com/9cea7632a86440589c1c442816021245

He had to be told not to golf, 40 minutes away from Parkland, the day after it happened. He had to be told not to do it. By, apparently, multiple people.

He wanted to golf.
Once again, your sources of "news" forfeited their credibility a long time ago. I don't believe anything the AP reports especially when it concerns President Trump. Also, I just love your selective outrage about Trump supposedly
thinking about playing golf. Let me remind you that your messiah, Obama actually played golf within 30 minutes of an American journalist being beheaded by ISIS. Liberal hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me!
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Originally Posted by zmz723 View Post
Of course I'm happy when the markets are up. Makes my financial future even more rosy.

Meanwhile:
“White House aides advised the president against golfing so soon after the tragedy, so Trump spent much of the holiday weekend watching cable television news and grousing to club members and advisers.”
https://apnews.com/9cea7632a86440589c1c442816021245

He had to be told not to golf, 40 minutes away from Parkland, the day after it happened. He had to be told not to do it. By, apparently, multiple people.

He wanted to golf.
I am sorry, is he supposed to be in mourning? We all felt sadness but did not many of us go to a basketball game? I think I get it. If I am watching and see the families and friends attending the victims' funerals I will feel their grief but for the most part, my life will continue as normal.

If it were my family member I would not expect the President or anyone else to be in mourning. It is a personal loss and would actually prefer to mourn in private but that is just my personality.
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Kremlin propagandist Konstantin Rykov said on Facebook, right after Trump's 2016 win, that his role in the plot to make Trump POTUS—which included Artem Klyushin, a member of Trump's entourage in Moscow in 2013—"started 7 November 2012."

Trump registered "MAGA" 12 days later.
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Kremlin propagandist Konstantin Rykov said on Facebook, right after Trump's 2016 win, that his role in the plot to make Trump POTUS—which included Artem Klyushin, a member of Trump's entourage in Moscow in 2013—"started 7 November 2012."

Trump registered "MAGA" 12 days later.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!
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HMMMM...do you think we may have a double standard here?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ad-optics.html
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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!
What's so funny, Jack?

To quote Trump:

Funny how the Fake News Media doesn’t want to say that the Russian group was formed in 2014, long before my run for President. Maybe they knew I was going to run even though I didn’t know!
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Some Dems who are actually thinking with their brains are beginning to question the validity of identity politics going forward.

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Trump suffers through mandatory three-day waiting period before hitting the golf course after a school shooting:


http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...&ICID=ref_fark
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Donald Trump Jr. to give foreign policy speech while on ‘unofficial’ business trip to India:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.7869e5a45153

Yeah, about that separation of politics from business Mr. Trump???
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Trump suffers through mandatory three-day waiting period before hitting the golf course after a school shooting:


http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...&ICID=ref_fark
Too bad Obama didn't utilize a three day waiting period.
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Health care 55 mins ago Dems fume as Trump pushes low-cost, ObamaCare alternative health plans

Dems fume as Trump pushes low-cost, ObamaCare alternative health plans.

The Trump administration moved Tuesday to allow health insurers to sell lower-cost, less-comprehensive medical plans as an alternative to those required under ObamaCare – in a plan that drew swift protest from congressional Democrats.
The proposed regulations would allow insurers to sell individual consumers "short-term" policies that can last up to 12 months, have fewer benefits, and come with lower premiums.

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America's 'greatest' president? Lincoln first, Trump ranked behind president who served 30 days

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February Poll Shows Over Half of Americans Approve of Trump/Republican Tax Law

Over all, 51 percent of Americans approve of the tax law, while 46 percent disapprove, according to a poll for The New York Times conducted between Feb. 5 and Feb. 11 by SurveyMonkey. Approval has risen from 46 percent in January and 37 percent in December, when the law was passed.

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I have been much tougher on Russia than Obama, just look at the facts. Total Fake News!

Oh really???

Here's some headlines for ya, Donny:

Trump administration moves to return Russian compounds in Maryland and New York

Trump Administration Won't Impose Sanctions on Buyers of Russian Arms

Tillerson dismisses criticism on Russia sanctions amid growing questions

Why Does Trump Ignore Top Officials' Warnings on Russia?

Trump Administration Signals It Is Not Imposing New Sanctions On Russia
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President Trump has only had one official solo press conference in his first year in office – far fewer than any of his modern predecessors.

The nonprofit American Presidency Project, which collects data on presidential press conferences dating back to the Nixon administration, noted the single press conference, which took place on Feb. 16.

Comparably, Barack Obama held seven in his first year in office, while George W. Bush held four.

Here's how everyone else stacked up during their first years in office:

Bill Clinton: 11
George H. W. Bush: 27
Ronald Reagan: 6
Jimmy Carter: 22
Gerald Ford (who only served from August to December in his first year as president): 4
Richard Nixon: 6


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ore/976675001/

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First of all, yet another broken link by you.

Second, who really cares how many official press conferences? What exactly would Trump have to gain surrounded by a bunch of journalist or staff writers? His time is much better spent on Twitter or the golf course.
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America's 'greatest' president? Lincoln first, Trump ranked behind president who served 30 days

https://articles.al.com/news/index.s...mpression=true
Another great poll. 57% democrats, 30% independents, and 13% Republicans polled. I am sorry i even clicked the link.

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Stormy Daniels and Trump

I want to find out the truth on all this, so I will attempt to interrogate Stormy myself. $1 bills in advance would be appreciated to help with my expenses

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President Trump has only had one official solo press conference in his first year in office – far fewer than any of his modern predecessors.

The nonprofit American Presidency Project, which collects data on presidential press conferences dating back to the Nixon administration, noted the single press conference, which took place on Feb. 16.

Comparably, Barack Obama held seven in his first year in office, while George W. Bush held four.

Here's how everyone else stacked up during their first years in office:

Bill Clinton: 11
George H. W. Bush: 27
Ronald Reagan: 6
Jimmy Carter: 22
Gerald Ford (who only served from August to December in his first year as president): 4
Richard Nixon: 6


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ore/976675001/
So are you saying that Bush was our best President and Carter was our second best?

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Facing the WH press corps for a press conference is part of the job description. Unlike any of his predecessors in the past 50 years, Trump has not done so for over a year and instead has posted insane tweets such as this:

Donald J. Trump
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Question: If all of the Russian meddling took place during the Obama Administration, right up to January 20th, why aren’t they the subject of the investigation? Why didn’t Obama do something about the meddling? Why aren’t Dem crimes under investigation? Ask Jeff Session!

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...residency.html

Rasmussen did the same poll at the same time in Barry's first term. Trump 48% approval and Barry was at 45%.

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Start calling the president by his name and I will do the same.
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Trump’s Pick to Lead Indian Health Service Withdraws Nomination

Mr. Weaver, a member of the Quapaw Tribe of Oklahoma, claimed that he had previously held a supervisory position at St. John’s Regional Medical Center in Joplin, Mo. But former hospital officials said that they did not recognize his name, The Journal said, and that they believed Mr. Weaver’s role had involved entry-level duties, such as registering patients.

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Guess again Mich— Trump approval rating in a real poll is at an all-time low of 35%:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/25/polit...&ICID=ref_fark
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Guess again Mich— Trump approval rating in a real poll is at an all-time low of 35%:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/25/polit...&ICID=ref_fark
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
Guess again Mich— Trump approval rating in a real poll is at an all-time low of 35%:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/25/polit...&ICID=ref_fark
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About a month ago I stopped reading any article or poll by CNN. I hated to do that because I love to read opposing views, but theirs is always filled with hate and misstatement of facts, or questionable facts
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Is USA Today fake news too, Mich, Jack and Monster? Is it?

No.

Well their poll has Trump at an all-time low as well:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/pr.../25/id/845361/

Once again, just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it "fake."
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USA Today and all of your other so-called news sources are one and the same. Let me remind you that USA Today actively campaigned against President Trump in the 2016 election. In fact, they begged their readers to not vote for Trump on the front page. USA Today is an absolute joke like the rest of the mainstream liberal media.
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USA Today and all of your other so-called news sources are one and the same. Let me remind you that USA Today actively campaigned against President Trump in the 2016 election. In fact, they begged their readers to not vote for Trump on the front page. USA Today is an absolute joke like the rest of the mainstream liberal media.
Yes, they are part of the Fake Media: NBC, CNN, USA Today, ABC, CBS, MSNBC = the real Democrat Party. The rest of the party just follow their talking points. Didn't they all say Hillary would win the election?
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Yes, they are part of the Fake Media: NBC, CNN, USA Today, ABC, CBS, MSNBC = the real Democrat Party. The rest of the party just follow their talking points. Didn't they all say Hillary would win the election?
What do you mean???? Didn't she win??



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Yes, they are part of the Fake Media: NBC, CNN, USA Today, ABC, CBS, MSNBC = the real Democrat Party. The rest of the party just follow their talking points. Didn't they all say Hillary would win the election?
So if it's not Fox News, it's Fake? CNN and Fox are both extremist news organizations. One is Left, one is Right. Party over people.
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So if it's not Fox News, it's Fake? CNN and Fox are both extremist news organizations. One is Left, one is Right. Party over people.
No. Fox is fair and balanced. They also have Democrat casters - Shepard Smith and Chris Wallace.

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Yes, they are part of the Fake Media: NBC, CNN, USA Today, ABC, CBS, MSNBC = the real Democrat Party.
So let me get this straight: everything except Faux News is "Fake News?"

The network that brought us:

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All of which have been proven to be conspiracy theories concocted by the right.

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No. Fox is fair and balanced. They also have Democrat casters - Sheppard Smith and Chris Wallace.
Faux News has self-described themselves as "entertainment" there is nothing "News" about them. They are a propaganda wing for the GOP.

CNN has employed Corey Lewandowski, Kayleigh McEnany, Jeffrey Lord and numerous other conservative commentators.

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So let me get this straight: everything except Faux News is "Fake News?"

The network that brought us:

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All of which have been proven to be conspiracy theories concocted by the right.

Gotcha!
FLASE. Benghazi was proven true and the Uranium One is under investigation by the DOJ. Seth Rich was taken off as no one knows yet what happened. Obama's birth certificate was on all the networks. Pizzagate?
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Don't forget Juan Williams.
Right, the BIG LIBERAL on Fox News. Who are the conservatives on CNN?
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Who are the conservatives on CNN?
There are 2: The custodian and security guard...How do I know this? because 1 works hard to clean up sh*t all day and the other carries a gun....2 things a lib would never do.
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
Faux News has self-described themselves as "entertainment" there is nothing "News" about them. They are a propaganda wing for the GOP.

CNN has employed Corey Lewandowski, Kayleigh McEnany, Jeffrey Lord and numerous other conservative commentators.
No names. None of their newscasters are conservatives.
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Originally Posted by Mich Flyer View Post
No names. None of their newscasters are conservatives.
C'mon, Mich--it took me 5 seconds to Google this:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b09071f69bb6d1
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
C'mon, Mich--it took me 5 seconds to Google this:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b09071f69bb6d1
Like I said - no conservative newscasters, only occasional pundits.
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No. Fox is fair and balanced. They also have Democrat casters - Sheppard Smith and Chris Wallace.
I will watch Shep Smith. He's more moderate.
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Who does CNN pole

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
Guess again Mich— Trump approval rating in a real poll is at an all-time low of 35%:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/25/polit...&ICID=ref_fark
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All CNN poles are conducted in this manner-

100 unemployed, earth saving, global warming loving, section 8 housing living, food stamp using, gun hating, obama loving liberals were surveyed, the top 2 answers are on the board.
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Americans trust Mueller more than Trump on Russia:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...rump-on-russia
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