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Insult to the loyal fans

With a large UD crowd this was like a home game. Many loyal fans spent a lot of money to come and support the team and watch this team play without energy or effort. A major disappointment but a real insult to all those supporting fans. Had the team played to the level they can, no one would blame them. But this was an insult. If they play with this effort in the dabce, they may as well stay at home.
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With a large UD crowd this was like a home game. Many loyal fans spent a lot of money to come and support the team and watch this team play without energy or effort. A major disappointment but a real insult to all those supporting fans. Had the team played to the level they can, no one would blame them. But this was an insult. If they play with this effort in the dabce, they may as well stay at home.
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Today's performance will probably make a lot of fans decision whether or not to go to the NCAA's an easier choice.
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Old 03-10-2017, 02:45 PM
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With a large UD crowd this was like a home game. Many loyal fans spent a lot of money to come and support the team and watch this team play without energy or effort. A major disappointment but a real insult to all those supporting fans. Had the team played to the level they can, no one would blame them. But this was an insult. If they play with this effort in the dabce, they may as well stay at home.
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I hate to be negative, as I am a third-generation true-blue Flyer fan, but these last two games can only be viewed as disappointing and a real kick in the midsection to Flyer fans. We disintegrated at the end of the season last year as well. Could it be that the coaches have the Flyers figured out by this time of the season?
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With a large UD crowd this was like a home game. Many loyal fans spent a lot of money to come and support the team and watch this team play without energy or effort.
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Today's performance will probably make a lot of fans decision whether or not to go to the NCAA's an easier choice.
Yep...now it's an easy decision to go since people just saved on some hotel room and food money!
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I've been a diehard Flyer fan my whole life. But this is the chance you take by going to the A10 tourney. We could lose our first game or win it all and our track record in the A10 tourney is not very good. I went to the Orlando Classic a couple years ago. I would prefer that because you are guaranteed 3 games no matter what. Not taking anything away from the dedicated fans that went to Pitt, but at my age I can't afford to spend the money when I don't know if I'm getting 1 game or 3-4 games.
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That's 2 games in a row they didn't show up for the first 20 minutes. I was never good enough to play outside of some pick-up games with friends. It was always 100% 100% of the time. It kills me to see them half @$$ it for a half. I don't mind losses, they happen, but play your butt off doing it!
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I've been a diehard Flyer fan my whole life. But this is the chance you take by going to the A10 tourney. We could lose our first game or win it all and our track record in the A10 tourney is not very good. I went to the Orlando Classic a couple years ago. I would prefer that because you are guaranteed 3 games no matter what. Not taking anything away from the dedicated fans that went to Pitt, but at my age I can't afford to spend the money when I don't know if I'm getting 1 game or 3-4 games.
It's the reason I chose Maui 3 seasons ago over Brooklyn or Pittsburgh since. Well, that, the weather and the beach.
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Enjoy these guys for the moment.

Next year you'll have a completely different set of 18-22 yr olds to be insulted by.
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Sure it would be nice if Scoochie decided "this is the game that I'm going to be aggressive in the first half". But he didn't. And the offense was poor in the first half and it got them into a hole.

But these kids are not being paid as professionals. And they've had an incredible season in the face of tragedy and bad injury luck. You have to know what you're getting into when you go to any sporting event, let alone one that's played by 20 year olds. Many times it's disappointing. I think it's taking all of this way too seriously to be insulted by the team today.
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It was the effort level that was disappointing.
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Disappointing... absolutely. Aggravating... absolutely.

Insulting... huh?

The team played terrible in the first half. No doubt. After what the team overcame this season emotionally and injury wise to now have to scramble to avoid the self professed faithful trampling them as they leap off of the bandwagon is insulting to what they have accomplished over this season and for the last 4 years (for the seniors).

Again, they played bad. The last 2 games. I'm all for being critical of the play. But really? Comparing your self deluded memories of how you were the 100% effort guy 100% of the time?

Be angry. Be critical. But try not making it about yourself.
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Disappointing... absolutely. Aggravating... absolutely.

Insulting... huh?

The team played terrible in the first half. No doubt. After what the team overcame this season emotionally and injury wise to now have to scramble to avoid the self professed faithful trampling them as they leap off of the bandwagon is insulting to what they have accomplished over this season and for the last 4 years (for the seniors).

Again, they played bad. The last 2 games. I'm all for being critical of the play. But really? Comparing your self deluded memories of how you were the 100% effort guy 100% of the time?

Be angry. Be critical. But try not making it about yourself.
It wasnt, isn't about me, maybe I worded it wrong, but it doesn't take talent to show/give effort. I love the Flyers, and care about each player, and I like to see effort, win or lose. It pains me because I don't want them to have regrets, and with my YEARS of experience, I know one can have regrets when you don't put forth all of the effort you have. You can lose, but if you lose thinking there is more you could have done, you might have regrets.

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It wasnt, isn't about me, maybe I worded it wrong, but it doesn't take talent to show/give effort. I love the Flyers, and care about each player, and I like to see effort, win or lose. It pains me because I don't want them to have regrets, and with my YEARS of experience, I know one can have regrets when you don't put forth all of the effort you have. You can lose, but if you lose thinking there is more you could have regrets.
Yeah, I related to your post. To me it just meant you're baffled at how this can happen two times in a row at this point in the season under these circumstances. I can understand it happening at GW, that's not difficult, but to go into your conference tournament against a team you had to beat in OT 2 weeks ago with 2 players that have eaten you up every time you've played against them, that's baffling.
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Disappointing... absolutely. Aggravating... absolutely.

Insulting... huh?

The team played terrible in the first half. No doubt. After what the team overcame this season emotionally and injury wise to now have to scramble to avoid the self professed faithful trampling them as they leap off of the bandwagon is insulting to what they have accomplished over this season and for the last 4 years (for the seniors).

Again, they played bad. The last 2 games. I'm all for being critical of the play. But really? Comparing your self deluded memories of how you were the 100% effort guy 100% of the time?

Be angry. Be critical. But try not making it about yourself.
And, btw, never once said I was insulted.
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Dayton was 70% to win both @GW and Davidson neutral. Losing both will happen about 10% of the time. It happens.

If the guard from Iceland misses the 3 with 1:47 left and Dayton up 65-62, Dayton wins the game. BTW, he shoots .327 from 3 for the year. Good position to win, but they get hot from 3 late.
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Dayton was 70% to win both @GW and Davidson neutral. Losing both will happen about 10% of the time. It happens.

If the guard from Iceland misses the 3 with 1:47 left and Dayton up 65-62, Dayton wins the game. BTW, he shoots .327 from 3 for the year. Good position to win, but they get hot from 3 late.
Many 32% shooters at the D1 level can make a wide open 3 like that.
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The irony is we had excuses of injuries all year. Now we have everybody back and lay two straight eggs. Just maybe effort means more than having all your players.
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Insulted, really. These kids busted a nut to take the lead late in the game and you are insulted!? Give me a break. I'm proud of the "never say die" attitude they showed. I am looking forward to selection Sunday now more than ever.

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Fortunately, only saw 20 minutes or so of these past 80 minutes of lackluster play. From what I've been reading, effort seems to be a big issue. If that's the case, then yes, I have a problem with that. Maybe you're not a great shooter. Maybe your ballhandling skills are weak. Maybe you're not the quickest guy on the court. BUT YOU CAN TRY!

Try to stay with your opponent on the dribble. Try to close out on a 3-point shooter. Try to box-out on a rebound. Try. Just friggin' try. If you do that, then we're with you all the way. If you don't, then threads like this one get started.
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The irony is we had excuses of injuries all year. Now we have everybody back and lay two straight eggs. Just maybe effort means more than having all your players.
You're saying "quality" trumps "quantity"?
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While I have no way to explain it or show examples of it or quantify it, and I've said it before, it's a lack of on court LEADERSHIP. This is not on Archie, this is on the team.
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While I have no way to explain it or show examples of it or quantify it, and I've said it before, it's a lack of on court LEADERSHIP. This is not on Archie, this is on the team.
Probably a little difficult to have leadership when you have 4 senior starters that all believe they are leaders.
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Probably a little difficult to have leadership when you have 4 senior starters that all believe they are leaders.
All of them believe, but none of them are. Went from TrueTeam to True Colors
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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin View Post
Dayton was 70% to win both @GW and Davidson neutral. Losing both will happen about 10% of the time. It happens.

If the guard from Iceland misses the 3 with 1:47 left and Dayton up 65-62, Dayton wins the game. BTW, he shoots .327 from 3 for the year. Good position to win, but they get hot from 3 late.
Wide open 3, who's man Scoochie
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Just not hungry enough, satisfied with being the best senior class and winning the A10 regular. Been on spring break ever since. Even Archie made a comment they don't play well when things are okay. They need a chip on their shoulder for some reason to get going.
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Wide open 3, who's man Scoochie
I actually re-watched that play and it was really Cooke's man although Scoochie put them in a bad spot when he went to help. They should have given up the two at that point of the game and guarded the three.
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It would just be nice to take control of a game - and keep it.
That hasn't happened in a while.
This "cross your fingers at the end of the game" luck apparently ran out today . . .

Next game - new start.
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We went from A10 Regular Season Champs to A10 Tournament Chumps in 10 days. Through the ups and downs during the season I've always said I had faith in our senior leaders. My faith is wavering a bit, but I still believe they can turn it back on. It's all about wanting to play defense. Go Flyers!
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It would just be nice to take control of a game - and keep it.
That hasn't happened in a while.
This "cross your fingers at the end of the game" luck apparently ran out today . . .

Next game - new start.
The sad part is, we said "next game; new start" after the GW game, and we all know how that turned out.
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The sad part is, we said "next game; new start" after the GW game, and we all know how that turned out.
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Yeah, I said this last year and a few jumped on me for it. But I had a bad vibe going into the tournament and I have that same vibe now. During the season you have the ups and downs because it's difficult to keep that intensity over 5 months. But when you lose it for the final 2 of the season, and one being the first game of a conference tournament, I don't think they'll be able to turn it up again.

It's a flaw with the mentality of this team, and mental flaws are not fixed between conference tournament loss and NCAA tournament.
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Just not hungry enough, satisfied with being the best senior class and winning the A10 regular. Been on spring break ever since. Even Archie made a comment they don't play well when things are okay. They need a chip on their shoulder for some reason to get going.
Different stakes, for sure, but it's almost akin to The Allies landing at Normandy on D-Day, securing the beachhead, and saying "Ya...that's good enough."

Please don't think I'm trying to compare "war" to "basketball". My dad served in the European Theater for the entirety of WWII, and I mean no disrespect to any vets or their families. I'm just saying there's such a thing as "finishing the job", and this team isn't doing it.
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Different stakes, for sure, but it's almost akin to The Allies landing at Normandy on D-Day, securing the beachhead, and saying "Ya...that's good enough."

Please don't think I'm trying to compare "war" to "basketball". My dad served in the European Theater for the entirety of WWII, and I mean no disrespect to any vets or their families. I'm just saying there's such a thing as "finishing the job", and this team isn't doing it.
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And I thought that was the big thing with these seniors and this team was that they said they wanted to go where no other UD team has gone. They have one last chance, let's see if they respond to the adversity.
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Many 32% shooters at the D1 level can make a wide open 3 like that.
After playing 34 minutes, I like Dayton's chances with that shot versus Gibbs or Alridge taking it.
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Yeah, I said this last year and a few jumped on me for it. But I had a bad vibe going into the tournament and I have that same vibe now. During the season you have the ups and downs because it's difficult to keep that intensity over 5 months. But when you lose it for the final 2 of the season, and one being the first game of a conference tournament, I don't think they'll be able to turn it up again.

It's a flaw with the mentality of this team, and mental flaws are not fixed between conference tournament loss and NCAA tournament.
Smitty, this current team is starting to remind me of the 2011 Cincinnati Reds.

In 2010, the Reds gained a reputation as a "hustling" team, leading the league in going from 1st to 3rd safely, and winning a number of games in come-from-behind fashion, in the process of fInishing 91-71 and winning the NL Central. The next year, 2011, the Reds took it for granted that they'd be able to keep winning by repeatedly coming from behind. Yeah, right. They finished 79-83, in 3rd place in the NL Central, and out of the playoffs.

This team also seems to believe that they can come from behind, at will, and pull-out victories. Well, in the past week, they're 0-2 in those circumstances. It's time for them to rediscover that "scrappy" mojo, come out of the gate blasting, get ahead of their opponent, and stay there. Can they do it? I believe so. Will they do it? Ask me next Saturday morning.
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After playing 34 minutes, I like Dayton's chances with that shot versus Gibbs or Alridge taking it.
But the point is that we are not playing very good defense lately.
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But the point is that we are not playing very good defense lately.
100% agree with that, the fact that Dayton's defense has dropped from #9 in the country to #40 the past 10 games support the poor defense argument.
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I'm not insulted. Disappointed, yes.

What this team doesn't realize right now, is what they can be or could have been. And that's the challenge with any group of 18-22 year olds. The D has really dropped off. I hope for THEIR sake, they come out with intensity they have demonstrated they can have.

Otherwise, and I can't believe I'm typing this:

The winningest class in UD MBB history, will finish with three consecutive loses.

That's hard to believe.
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Smitty, this current team is starting to remind me of the 2011 Cincinnati Reds.

In 2010, the Reds gained a reputation as a "hustling" team, leading the league in going from 1st to 3rd safely, and winning a number of games in come-from-behind fashion, in the process of fInishing 91-71 and winning the NL Central. The next year, 2011, the Reds took it for granted that they'd be able to keep winning by repeatedly coming from behind. Yeah, right. They finished 79-83, in 3rd place in the NL Central, and out of the playoffs.

This team also seems to believe that they can come from behind, at will, and pull-out victories. Well, in the past week, they're 0-2 in those circumstances. It's time for them to rediscover that "scrappy" mojo, come out of the gate blasting, get ahead of their opponent, and stay there. Can they do it? I believe so. Will they do it? Ask me next Saturday morning.
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Well, kind of. You do make a great point focusing on the come from behind magic. In professional sports, one season to the next can be night and day because your opponents can fill their weaknesses much faster. In college basketball, based on not losing too many to graduation, it's not usually that drastic. However, I do think that when you're team has been blessed with digging themselves out of holes, they might tend to get mentally lazy to start games thinking they can turn that switch on at anytime and get out with a victory. This kind of thing always comes back to bite you.
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This was a really bad time to play and coach poorly...like you all I am miserable (I have even kicked my dog...more than once...and he loves me)...but all will be forgotten when they win their next game!

I suspect that they will now play with a sense of urgency. That's all we can ask for.

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We will no longer be the hunted. That's for sure. I'm hoping that equates into some urgency and improved defense.
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