ESPN.com Recruiting- Kavanaugh's ranking is updated

[lhsgolf19]

According to espn.com, he is an 84 ranking, which is solid, #55 ranked C in the nation.

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recru...6season%3d2009

[UDF4N4LIF3]

I obviously believe that Kavanaugh can come in as a Freshman next season and be just like Kurt Huelsman, Start every game of his UD carrer.

[John R]

Originally Posted by UDF4N4LIF3 I obviously believe that Kavanaugh can come in as a Freshman next season and be just like Kurt Huelsman, Start every game of his UD carrer.

And what do you with Kurt and Benson?

[AFflyer]

They go on to the NBA after this year, what else?

[NorthwestFlyer]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 According to espn.com, he is an 84 ranking, which is solid, #55 ranked C in the nation. http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recru...6season%3d2009

That ranking is based on last season and summer performance. It will likely go up after his Senior year if he improves.

[Flyer1407]

Originally Posted by UDF4N4LIF3 I obviously believe that Kavanaugh can come in as a Freshman next season and be just like Kurt Huelsman, Start every game of his UD carrer.

Don't see that happening. You will have a 3 year starter with Kurt, Devin will be a junior and Benson will be in the mix as well.

[DaytonDecibelDungeon]

Needless to say... we should be scary good with the kind of depth and lineup we will have. I honestly believe the tide is turning - XU get ready, you haven't seen anything yet - it's time for UD to reclaim the dominance in this rivalry!

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[John R]

Originally Posted by AFflyer They go on to the NBA after this year, what else?

Want to put up some money on that statement?

[flyerfanatic86]

Originally Posted by John R Want to put up some money on that statement?

That's such a negative statement, implying that you would put money on the idea they wouldn't go to the NBA. I hate to read anything negative about current players on here. While I am sure you are going to quickly backtrack and make an assertion along the lines of "they will have the talent but stay to complete their education," or a simple "What?," it will not lessen the offense I take at such a blatant attack on our players.

[AFflyer]

Originally Posted by John R Want to put up some money on that statement?

I swear, you do not know sarcasm when it smacks you in the face lol. Do you honestly think Id predict KH to leave and JB to also leave without possibly even playing a minute if he redshirts

[Flyer Al]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 According to espn.com, he is an 84 ranking, which is solid, #55 ranked C in the nation. http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recru...6season%3d2009

For a point of reference, this is what Scout's rating of 84 translates to:

80-89: High Major Prospect

Player has the potential to start or significantly contribute as a freshman for most top national Division I programs.

[frisco flyer]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 According to espn.com, he is an 84 ranking, which is solid, #55 ranked C in the nation. http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recru...6season%3d2009

Now that he has offcially signed with the flyers, I fully expect ESPN to start lowering his ranking regardless of how well he does.

[UDBrian]

There is nobody who could convince me that there are 54 incoming centers better than Matt.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer Now that he has offcially signed with the flyers, I fully expect ESPN to start lowering his ranking regardless of how well he does.

Believe it or not, I think UD is starting to get the anti-midmajor treatment because of BG's track record. When BG targets a guy his stock rises instead of falls. Kind of like guys who are rated 50 until Duke offers then suddenly they go to 92.

We don't get the Duke treatment but I think we now get a reasonable benefit of the doubt.

[TheDuke2003]

I think MK's play will do all the talking he needs. I think he'll end up around an 87 or an 88 by the time the HS season is over.

[hUDygrad]

Originally Posted by TheDuke2003 I think MK's play will do all the talking he needs. I think he'll end up around an 87 or an 88 by the time the HS season is over.

Who really cares what he ends up. Once he commits and if BG thinks he can help the team then that's all that really matters.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by hUDygrad Who really cares what he ends up. Once he commits and if BG thinks he can help the team then that's all that really matters.

Couldn't that same logic be applied to nearly every other topic on this message board with the exception of our final record?

Current topics might include:

-How players look in the preseason games (who really cares as long as BG thinks they can help the team)

-Other websites discussing prospects (who really cares as long as BG thinks they can help the team)

-How players advanced in the offseason (who really cares as long as BG thinks they can help the team)

-Predict the score (who really cares as long as we win)

-How players advanced in the offseason (who really cares as long as BG thinks they can help the team)

-Injuries (who really cares as long as we win)

etc. . . .it's kind of a discussion killer ain't it?

[ClearTheRunwayForWLJ]

Hey guess what?

Kurt isn't going anywhere and will start the next 65 games for the Flyers, Kavanaugh will come off of the bench next year until he is proven and by the time he proves it ... it will be late in the year so you won't remove Kurt.

I like that we are finally getting a big guy with promise (Like Finn) but we will most likely have to wait one year for results (Like Finn). Remember in high school a 6-10 guy gets to play against 6-6 people all the time, not like that in college.


Welcome to UD Matt, early prognosis is promising.

[TheDuke2003]

It wouldn't shock me if MK gets redshirted.

The Flyers will have Huelsman, Searcy, Benson, and Fabrezius all playing the PF and C positions getting time. Chris Wright and Chris Johnson will get all the time at SF, Marcus Johnson will be a senior and his bench minutes will go to Paul Williams. Barring injury, I think Kavenaugh gets a redshirt, unless BG really feels he needs a 5th bigman and absoultely doesn't want to move Wright off of SF for even part of the game.

2009-2010 depth chart?:

PG: London Warren (SR), Rob Lowery (SR), Stephen Thomas (JR)
SG: Marcus Johnson (SR), Paul Williams (SO), Mickey Perry (SR)
SF: Chris Wright (JR), Chris Johnson (SO), (Marcus Johnson)
PF: Devin Searcy (JR), Luke Fabrezius (SO), Josh Benson (R-FR)
C: Kurt Huelsman (SR), (Devin Searcy), Matt Kavenaugh (FR)

You know, it really wouldn't suprise me if Mickey Perry transfers after this year if he loses his playing time to Paul Williams like I think he will. It would also help balance out the classes if Gregory can pick up a late commit for next year along with Kav and Benson as a RS frosh. If Perry did transfer, and BG got a new recuit that would balance the classes next year as such:

FR: 3
SO: 4
JR: 3
SR: 4

	Chris Wright CHRIS WRIGHT 6-8 225lb | Trotwood Madison, HS (OH) A10 All Rookie Team. Preseason 2008 2nd Team All A10. Member of the UD Flight Club with a 40+ inch vertical leap. Consensus Top-75 national recruit. Uncle is former Flyer J.D. Grigsby. Nickname is Top Flyght. CAREER STATS 2007-08 10.4ppg 5.7rpg

	London Warren LONDON WARREN 6-0 185lb Junior Raines, HS | Jacksonville FL Nicknamed the "Jacksonville Jet", London Warren is perhaps UD's quickest player baseline to baseline. Leader in steals defensively, he likes to push tempo on offense. Working on his shot and confidence at the charity stripe. 2007-08 | 4.3ppg 2.9rpg 2006-07 | 2.4ppg 1.7rpg

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[Flyer1407]

Originally Posted by ClearTheRunwayForWLJ Hey guess what? Kurt isn't going anywhere and will start the next 65 games for the Flyers, Kavanaugh will come off of the bench next year until he is proven and by the time he proves it ... it will be late in the year so you won't remove Kurt. I like that we are finally getting a big guy with promise (Like Finn) but we will most likely have to wait one year for results (Like Finn). Remember in high school a 6-10 guy gets to play against 6-6 people all the time, not like that in college. Welcome to UD Matt, early prognosis is promising.

I can't remember but was Finn a big time recruit coming out of HS?

[NorthwestFlyer]

Originally Posted by TheDuke2003 You know, it really wouldn't suprise me if Mickey Perry transfers after this year if he loses his playing time to Paul Williams like I think he will. It would also help balance out the classes if Gregory can pick up a late commit for next year along with Kav and Benson as a RS frosh. If Perry did transfer, and BG got a new recuit that would balance the classes next year as such:

It would make no sense whatsoever for Perry to transfer and lose a year of eligibility for a chance to play more. If Perry is going to play it will be here. Perry puts in the effort and will get playing time, even if he is third or fourth in line.

[John C.]

Perry would have no eligibility left if he transferred. Unless, of course, we went Division II or III.

[Medford]

Not really. It came down to home state Kansas State (terrible at the time) who wanted Sean to redshirt, and UD where Oliver promised him that he could play his freshman season.

In hindsight, a redshirt would have been the best thing for Finn, but it worked in our favor that he could play a bit his freshman season. Of course Oliver rarely recruited kids on the same "precieved caliber" coming out of high school as BG has, but man did Oliver find some diamond's in the rough.

Nate Green, David Morris, Stanley & Brooks were all fairly well regarded, Brooks & Stanley in the top 100 of some rankings (at least I think Stanely was, Brooks definently). Morris & Green ended up in some top 250 list and were considered pretty good gets for us at the time. I think Edwin may have been in some top 250 lists coming out of Zainesville.

Keith & Ramod Marshall were lower down on the recruiting ranks, but may well have been the 2 most important recruits of Oliver's tenure.

[ClearTheRunwayForWLJ]

Rankings wise he was not, I just remember being told over and over that after one season of training and conditioning he would be a beast and he was. He was also 7-1 coming out of highschool, so I mean .......

He scored 1,000 in three seasons and he also led the Ncaa in fieldgoal percentage with a broken hand, he was the ultimate gamer and never got enough credit, people took him for granted.

His baby hook was dead on, everytime.

I believe you win in the A-10 with two capable big men (C, PF) and a smart point guard. BG is starting that now it has just taken him awhile to do it.

Just remember Finn and Wally down low 7-1 and 6-10 we out rebounded everyone and scored in the paint relentlessly. When we have Kavanaugh as a Sophomore and Searcy as a Senior I see us dominating A-10 play with their size ... if they pan out.

[Furio]

Using this same sites rankings:
Kavanaugh 84
Benson 89
Fabrizius 76
Searcy 80

Wright and Staten 95
Williams 93

Then some probable bad misses

Thomas 92
Chris Johnson only a 78

[TheDuke2003]

Originally Posted by John C. Perry would have no eligibility left if he transferred. Unless, of course, we went Division II or III.

I just assumed if he transferred a 2nd time it would be to a D2 or D3 school. Which he may do just so he can start and play a full year, something he will never do at UD, even if he doesn't lose minutes to Williams, which I thnk he will.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer Now that he has offcially signed with the flyers, I fully expect ESPN to start lowering his ranking regardless of how well he does.

Notice in today's USA Today their top 50 had a guy going to Akron and one to LaSalle.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Atlantic 10]

Originally Posted by TheDuke2003 It wouldn't shock me if MK gets redshirted. The Flyers will have Huelsman, Searcy, Benson, and Fabrezius all playing the PF and C positions getting time. Chris Wright and Chris Johnson will get all the time at SF, Marcus Johnson will be a senior and his bench minutes will go to Paul Williams. Barring injury, I think Kavenaugh gets a redshirt, unless BG really feels he needs a 5th bigman and absoultely doesn't want to move Wright off of SF for even part of the game. 2009-2010 depth chart?: PG: London Warren (SR), Rob Lowery (SR), Stephen Thomas (JR) SG: Marcus Johnson (SR), Paul Williams (SO), Mickey Perry (SR) SF: Chris Wright (JR), Chris Johnson (SO), (Marcus Johnson) PF: Devin Searcy (JR), Luke Fabrezius (SO), Josh Benson (R-FR) C: Kurt Huelsman (SR), (Devin Searcy), Matt Kavenaugh (FR) You know, it really wouldn't suprise me if Mickey Perry transfers after this year if he loses his playing time to Paul Williams like I think he will. It would also help balance out the classes if Gregory can pick up a late commit for next year along with Kav and Benson as a RS frosh. If Perry did transfer, and BG got a new recuit that would balance the classes next year as such: FR: 3 SO: 4 JR: 3 SR: 4

5 seniors

	Chris Wright CHRIS WRIGHT 6-8 225lb | Trotwood Madison, HS (OH) A10 All Rookie Team. Preseason 2008 2nd Team All A10. Member of the UD Flight Club with a 40+ inch vertical leap. Consensus Top-75 national recruit. Uncle is former Flyer J.D. Grigsby. Nickname is Top Flyght. CAREER STATS 2007-08 10.4ppg 5.7rpg

	London Warren LONDON WARREN 6-0 185lb Junior Raines, HS | Jacksonville FL Nicknamed the "Jacksonville Jet", London Warren is perhaps UD's quickest player baseline to baseline. Leader in steals defensively, he likes to push tempo on offense. Working on his shot and confidence at the charity stripe. 2007-08 | 4.3ppg 2.9rpg 2006-07 | 2.4ppg 1.7rpg

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[Medford]

The kid going to LaSalle (Murray) is supposed to be a really, really good player. NBA quality, program changer type. Many of the LaSalle fans were surprised he picked them. Many of the SJU/Temple fans were surprised he didn't pick either of them.

Highest rated kid to every commit to an A-10 school (lets hope Payne changes that)

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by ClearTheRunwayForWLJ I like that we are finally getting a big guy with promise (Like Finn) but we will most likely have to wait one year for results (Like Finn). Remember in high school a 6-10 guy gets to play against 6-6 people all the time, not like that in college. Welcome to UD Matt, early prognosis is promising.

Did you just throw Searcy and Benson under the bus? Finally getting a big guy with promise?

[TheDuke2003]

Originally Posted by Atlantic 10 5 seniors

My scenario was if Perry transferred and BG brought in another recruit with MK and a redshirted Benson.