Brian Gregory or Archie Miller

[FLYER FANATIC 88]

Would you want Brian Gregory or Archie Miller for future head coach of Dayton basketball?

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[Flyer 86]

fanatic, lov eyour energy, but why this poll right now.

we've moved on

[Buster Goode]

I don't understand the point of this poll. Turn the page.

[Falcon7]

Maybe after about 4 season's, then try your poll.

[NaptownFlyer4]

cant say quite yet, but i certainty feel more optimistic about flyer Basketball right now than I would have if BG was here.

[Tony T 71]

Originally Posted by Buster Goode I don't understand the point of this poll. Turn the page.

[LI Flyer]

Do you think there comes a point in which the populace becomes polled to death?

[FSUFlyer]

As of right now it has to be Miller. We know Gregory couldn't get it done. Maybe Miller can, athough I'm not too fond of the hire.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[rollo]

This poll had no end date so you can still vote...

[pmcmullen]

Neither. Time to try again, maybe with a tried and true head coach this time?

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

This is Millers 3rd year. We basically lost two years worth of recruiting classes. Millers guys are only sophomores and freshmen now. Yes, I am frustrated with the past few games, however throwing in the towel on the coach now is not the right thing to do, unless you want to be the Cleveland Browns of the A-10.

[Tony T 71]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan This is Millers 3rd year. We basically lost two years worth of recruiting classes. Millers guys are only sophomores and freshmen now. Yes, I am frustrated with the past few games, however throwing in the towel on the coach now is not the right thing to do, unless you want to be the Cleveland Browns of the A-10.

Amen!

[rollo]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan This is Millers 3rd year. We basically lost two years worth of recruiting classes. Millers guys are only sophomores and freshmen now. Yes, I am frustrated with the past few games, however throwing in the towel on the coach now is not the right thing to do, unless you want to be the Cleveland Browns of the A-10.

But let's not forget that Archie's freshman and sophomores are surrounded by two 5th year seniors (Kavs/Sanford) one of which was a highly regarded G'town recruit, a 4th year senior (Oliver) and a 4th year Junior (Sibert) Top 50 HS stud and transfer from tOSU.

What more could Archie want than his young recruits surrounded by experienced and highly recruited upperclassmen?

If this uber-experienced and well balanced team can't win, what in God's name can we expect next season??

8-8?

[shocka43]

Shaka Smart...

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by rollo But let's not forget that Archie's freshman and sophomores are surrounded by two 5th year seniors (Kavs/Sanford) one of which was a highly regarded G'town recruit, a 4th year senior (Oliver) and a 4th year Junior (Sibert) Top 50 HS stud and transfer from tOSU. What more could Archie want than his young recruits surrounded by experienced and highly recruited upperclassmen? If this uber-experienced and well balanced team can't win, what is God's name can we expect next season?? 8-8?

Who cares where someone is ranked recruiting wise, who cares how highly recruited someone was, who cares if they at one time sat on the bench at The OSU or Georgetown. Recruiting is a crap shoot, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

I want to see the results on the floor when Archies recruits are upper classmen, thus I am willing to give it a bit more time.

However, I ain't getting any younger, and my patience too will be wearing thin in a couple of years if we do not have considerably better results.

Plus, I have not yet written this season off yet........

[JimBo]

Originally Posted by shocka43 Shaka Smart...

Yes, yes, yes.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by shocka43 Shaka Smart...

Sadly we are too late...that ship has sailed. Shakas next stop will be at a top 10 program.

Here is a question for all of you, what record did Shaka have as head coach at his previous head coaching job?

Yet some of you complain we hired a head coach with exactly as much head coaching experience as Shaka had. The jury is still out on Archie, give it a couple years please.

[ud2]

Archie all the way, not much of a comparison IMO. I'm optimistic regarding the future. I see significantly fewer issues with Archie's teams than I saw with BG's teams. At least with Archie, they are on the right path, they just have to fix a few issues.

With BG, I felt like they weren't even on the right path, BG didn't know where the right path was/what the right path was, they were never going to get there with BG.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan Sadly we are too late...that ship has sailed. Shakas next stop will be at a top 10 program. Here is a question for all of you, what record did Shaka have as head coach at his previous head coaching job? Yet some of you complain we hired a head coach with exactly as much head coaching experience as Shaka had. The jury is still out on Archie, give it a couple years please.

I agree. I am willing to give AM the pass, just as I have every other coach. Shaka had none, but there are schools that are good evaluators of talent and so far, UD hasn't had the luck that Butler, X, VCU, etc... have had. I have a hard time believing that year after year, UD just had bad luck in terms of everything. The jury is still out on AM, but the slug play that has been on the court so far in tough games this year, isn't promising.

It is a systematic issue that UD hasn't fixed, but hopefully AM will. X has been successful because the can promote from within. But there are reasons that UD is where they are...

[NorthwestFlyer]

The man needs time. I thought he had put it together on his third year, which I still think it takes 3 to 5 years for a coach to redevelop our program. If he had come into a program that was already consistently a top 4 finisher in the A10, that 3 to 5 year horizon would be shortened.

Last night was crap, they would dribble into the teeth of the defense, and then not make the pass back out. Something they do great some nights and we look like a sweet sixteen team. Last night they did not go for that pass, and if they did make the pass back out to the perimeter, they did not take the shot or move the ball along. They held it and looked instead of doing. Toss that in with the caddywhompus defensive effort and we will be hanging fighting for last place with Duquesne.

I miss the consistency we had with one of the best defensive teams in the country under Gregory, but you could never count on a bucket at the end unless it was a put back.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[rollo]

It was AM 38 - BG 9 when the day started so today's tally is AM 8 - BG 8.

[Avid Flyer]

Dear Mr. Wabler; it is time to stop the experiment with upcoming assistant coaches. As you see it isn't working. Get ready to pony up for a real experienced and successful head coach.

For those who know me I am and have been the eternal optimist....but reality says it is time to fix what is broken.

Unfortunately I believe the issues are deeper than the coaches or players in the mens athletics. After JOB we've had one head coach OP, and two top assistant coaches. Results are the same. We cannot compete in the A-10.

So I suggest Wabler, Mike Kelly etc take a good hard look into the mens athletic programs.

The womens programs are on the uprise while the mens struggle to be middle of the pack.

We old timers are running out of time; the wheels have fallen off and the program is in a downward spiral. Attendance is down and fans are leaving earlier than ever before.

Why should 13K fans continue to show up when the coaches and players don't. I keep getting calls for $$$ to the scholarship fund....personally I want to see results first.

	Tim Wabler TIM WABLER Current Director of Athletics for the University of Dayton. Took over for Ted Kissell on Jan. 1, 2009, and brings considerable experience and leadership in athletics. Assistant AD for many years and a former standout baseball player for the Flyers, Wabler has Dayton roots and understands the unique paradigm that makes Flyer athletics and the city of Dayton a tremendous relationship.

[UDBrian]

I am happy to see some calls for patience, that archie needs more time to be sure. I see a very good offensive system which I really like. I think that the players are improving after their arrival.

The team is inconsistent and some of that could fall on archie because he doesn't know how to motivate them. But, even some of bobby knight's teams had bad days and even struggled for long periods ...

The Browns leadership is ridiculous. The GM wasn't willing to accept the blame for the roster so he threw the coach under the bus.

[UDBrian]

I am happy to see some calls for patience, that archie needs more time to be sure. I see a very good offensive system which I really like. I think that the players are improving after their arrival.

The team is inconsistent and some of that could fall on archie because he doesn't know how to motivate them. But, even some of bobby knight's teams had bad days and even struggled for long periods ...

The Browns leadership is ridiculous. The GM wasn't willing to accept the blame for the roster so he threw the coach under the bus.

[jumpin' joe]

[pmcmullen]

Originally Posted by UDBrian I am happy to see some calls for patience, that archie needs more time to be sure. I see a very good offensive system which I really like. I think that the players are improving after their arrival.

My patience expires without further discussion if this year continues as it is going, and/or next year follows a similarly disappointing and frustrating path.

Your comment about Knight is accurate. All teams can have bad days or brief periods, but his teams spring back. Mid-season meltdowns that render a team clocked out and unable to even pretend to care anymore is a serious issue if it continues.

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by pmcmullen My patience expires without further discussion if this year continues as it is going, and/or next year follows a similarly disappointing and frustrating path. Your comment about Knight is accurate. All teams can have bad days or brief periods, but his teams spring back. Mid-season meltdowns that render a team clocked out and unable to even pretend to care anymore is a serious issue if it continues.

My business partner who only knows of the flyers through me and is not into sports much, watched the replay with me and asked it the flyers had quit. If someone outside flyer nation can see it then it must be obvious.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer My business partner who only knows of the flyers through me and is not into sports much, watched the replay with me and asked it the flyers had quit. If someone outside flyer nation can see it then it must be obvious.

...And yet, one of the players was quoted in the paper today as saying, "We just got put on our butts. We didn't quit at all, by any teams (sic), but we didn't respond like we should have."

I think that player, and all who saw the court yesterday, should be forced to watch the same plays that we saw, when VCU players drove the lane and had NO ONE challenge them. When Flyer defenders put themselves in horrible defensive position on the perimeter and then made NO EFFORT to get back into the action. When shots went up and players within 10 feet of the hoop made NO EFFORT to crash the boards.

Giving up on a play = quitting. You give up on enough plays during a game, and you have essentially, for all intents and purposes, quit.

[anthonycharles]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan This is Millers 3rd year. We basically lost two years worth of recruiting classes. Millers guys are only sophomores and freshmen now. Yes, I am frustrated with the past few games, however throwing in the towel on the coach now is not the right thing to do, unless you want to be the Cleveland Browns of the A-10.

I'm not advocating firing Miller, you'd be hard pressed finding a quality coach if you fire a respected coach like Archie after only 3 seasons, and yes, Archie is respected around the country, like BG was/is.

But, "Miller's guys" are upperclassmen, Vee, Sibert and Gavs are upperclassmen. This is now Archie's program, so he'll get the credit or in this case the blame because it is his program. It is no longer BG's program. I agree with those who are saying next year doesn't look any better, because it doesn't. Last year we put all the blame on Dillard and Benson. They aren't around this year to put the blame on. This is on Archie to turn things around quickly, if not, the clock is ticking and the pressure will only amp up.

[jack72]

You know what? We are losing and that bothers me. Archie has coached some bad games, last night, and some great games, Ole Miss. What really bothers me at this point is our recruiting. It is like Archie got some decent guys and now has hit the wall. As I have said several times, we have no big man for next year, other than a project, and no replacement for Oliver. We need two to four big guys coming in over the next two years. It would be nice to already have at least one HS junior verbally committed. We have got to get a couple of quality big guys soon, or there is no next year.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by anthonycharles I'm not advocating firing Miller, you'd be hard pressed finding a quality coach if you fire a respected coach like Archie after only 3 seasons

What if Anthony Grant becomes available?...just asking.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by rollo What if Anthony Grant becomes available?...just asking.

You know that could happen, because Grant is not setting the world on fire at a school that likes to win. I have to wonder what Grant brings to the table besides being a UD grad. I have not been impressed with his in game coaching.

Alabama lost to Florida tonight at home and are now 8-10 on the year.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by jack72 As I have said several times, we have no big man for next year, other than a project, and no replacement for Oliver. We need two to four big guys coming in over the next two years. It would be nice to already have at least one HS junior verbally committed. We have got to get a couple of quality big guys soon, or there is no next year.

Yes, not to be a jerk about this, but if they don't have an effective inside game next year, then that is on Archie.

By the 4th year, the entire team will be Archie's guys, and Archie has chosen to bank a scholarship for each of his first 3 years, so it's not like he didn't have an opportunity to have a bigger roster, whether it be through bringing in a freshman/transfer/JUCO.

But, I imagine that the Kavs and Derenbecker situations did screw up some of his planning though. And Hill transferring out is something that happens at every program, that's just something that you have to deal with.

Sink or swim, next year Archie owns everything that happens, even this year Archie owns almost all of what happens.

[Canonball]

Brian Miller.

That way we'd have a complete team.

[Canonball]

Originally Posted by rollo What if Anthony Grant becomes available?...just asking.

I seem to be agreeing with you a lot recently. I think we've got to get away from hiring assistants that have to spend 3 years figuring things out. If he's available and interested I think it would be good to bring AG back to Dayton. He laid the foundation at VCU and is a good coach. Basketball in the south, and at Bama in particular, will always be second fiddle.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Canonball Brian Miller. That way we'd have a complete team.

Dennis Miller???

[rollo]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan I want to see the results on the floor when Archies recruits are upper classmen, thus I am willing to give it a bit more time.

Sibert was recruited by Miller when he was an assistant at tOSU and Miller re-recruited Sibert after he announced his transfer. In his bio, Sibert says:

Why I Chose UD: My brother Logan went to school at UD, and I’ve known Coach Miller for a long time.

Sanford was recruited by Miller after announcing his transfer from G'town.

Looking at our roster, the only players NOT recruited by Miller is Oliver and #35.

Most mid-major coaches would sell their soul for an experienced upperclassman roster like we have. This was the season Archie should have been preparing for the day he took this job. And if he doesn't turn the team around immediately he won't see a similarly experienced team until 2015-16.

What excuses will we be making for him then?

[rollo]

Originally Posted by Canonball I seem to be agreeing with you a lot recently. I think we've got to get away from hiring assistants that have to spend 3 years figuring things out. If he's available and interested I think it would be good to bring AG back to Dayton. He laid the foundation at VCU and is a good coach. Basketball in the south, and at Bama in particular, will always be second fiddle.

Miller's job is only as safe as Grant's....that's my opinion.

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by rollo Sibert was recruited by Miller when he was an assistant at tOSU and Miller re-recruited Sibert after he announced his transfer. In his bio, Sibert says: Why I Chose UD: My brother Logan went to school at UD, and I’ve known Coach Miller for a long time. Sanford was recruited by Miller after announcing his transfer from G'town. Looking at our roster, the only players NOT recruited by Miller is Oliver and #35. Most mid-major coaches would sell their soul for an experienced upperclassman roster like we have. This was the season Archie should have been preparing for the day he took this job. And if he doesn't turn the team around immediately he won't see a similarly experienced team until 2015-16. What excuses will we be making for him then?

None, Those who like to follow former UD coaches will still keep tabs on his career other wise we will be too embroiled in our new coach. Fully expect our AD whomever it is to start giving short leashes as the flyer faithful are not getting any younger and are showing signs of impatience.

	Flyer Faithful FLYER FAITHFUL Best college basketball fans in the country. Knowledgeable, enthusiastic, and loyal. Help to create one of the toughest home courts in the nation at UD Arena. Over 12,000 fans a game put the Flyers in the Top-30 nationally in attendance. Fan spirit and support growing to other UD sports and athletic programs as well.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by rollo What if Anthony Grant becomes available?...just asking.

I'm starting to get concerned...for myself. I had this very thought while watching parts of Alabama v Fla last night. Thought how, while in the SEC, AG is mis-cast coaching bball in that conference. He "belongs" at a VCU or Dayton. He'll always have trouble succeeding in Saban's shadow.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Canonball I seem to be agreeing with you a lot recently. I think we've got to get away from hiring assistants that have to spend 3 years figuring things out. If he's available and interested I think it would be good to bring AG back to Dayton. He laid the foundation at VCU and is a good coach. Basketball in the south, and at Bama in particular, will always be second fiddle.

It looks like it might have been Jeff Capel, not AG, that laid the recent foundation at VCU. It looks like Capel started the turnaround process, and Grant and Smart continued that process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...etball_seasons

[Canonball]

I want BG's defense, and I want Miller's offense. Hence Brian Miller.

[Alberto Strasse]

because reality dictates the obvious answer. Archie is UD's coach and he is learning his players and staff's strengths and weaknesses. I wish him well and thought highly of him in the non-conference portion of the schedule but I am quite disappointed in the team's conference performance at UD arena. Granted SLU and VCU are at or near the top of the league but there was a time in the past where a UD Flyer team could knock off the giants on the home floor or even a neutral site. This year's team seems scared and intimidated by SLU and VCU which is a real head scratcher. Where is their confidence and why is it dissipating?

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by Canonball I want BG's defense, and I want Miller's offense. Hence Brian Miller.

I want Heather Locklear's bottom and Kate Uptons' top......and a bagful of Viagra!


And predict that neither of us is going to get what we want.

[anthonycharles]

Originally Posted by rollo What if Anthony Grant becomes available?...just asking.

If UD makes a change, I wouldn't scream in protest, that is for sure. But I don't see it happening nor do I think it should after 3 yrs. We'll see how the rest of the conference season plays out, but like almost all of us I have a feeling I know how this movie ends.

If a change is made, whether this year, next year or 10 yrs from now, can we PLEASE hire a coach who has previous head coaching experience?

Believe me, I would absolutely love to see Archie succeed and if/when he moves on, the program will be so successful it can promote from within. We are a long way from that point.

[jumpin' joe]

Originally Posted by anthonycharles If a change is made, whether this year, next year or 10 yrs from now, can we PLEASE hire a coach who has previous head coaching experience?

You mean somebody like Brad Brownell? My point being that if WSU can do it, we certainly can.

[Chris R]

The Brad Brownell experiment in Clemson has been a very mixed bag thus far. Mixed bags dont cut it in the ACC.

Issue is not hiring a head coach or assistant coach. Issue is hiring the right coach. TBD on Archie.

[FSUFlyer]

I know some of the Shaka Smart comments were sarcastic, but some weren't. Can't believe anyone would actually think Smart would even pick up the phone if UD called.

And calling both Gregory and Miller "respected" coaches around the country? First of all, most coaches don't insult another coach publicly unless there is real bad blood there. Secondly, who cares if they're respected? That doesn't mean people think they're great coaches that they want to steal away. They're "nice guys." "They do things the right way." Yada yada.

I don't think Grant is a great hire, either. The foundation for VCU was laid by the two coaches that came before him. He just kind of maintained where they left off. I thought Smart was simply maintaining where Grant left off at first, too. I thought that deep NCAA run was one of those only-time-in-program-history flukes. But he's taken VCU further than any previous coach had them.

To get back to my point, I wouldn't be all that excited by an Anthony Grant hire. It's not like the SEC is some ridiculously hard conference. It's UK and UF and a few other teams here and there each season that rise and fall. Bama has money and there are some good recruits in AL and nearby Atlanta/GA he can get his hands on.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[FSUFlyer]

Originally Posted by FSUFlyer As of right now it has to be Miller. We know Gregory couldn't get it done. Maybe Miller can, athough I'm not too fond of the hire.

And as of right now I'm still not fond of the hire. Seems like a clone of Gregory.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[udflyerhoops2]

If you don't win NOW, you get this kind of reaction. There's probably noone on here who loves Anthony Grant more than me, and I would love to see him represent the Flyers again at some point. I am as frustrated as you all are with what's going on right now here at UD, but I want to see what Archie can do with the adversity.

Grant's dealing with the same stuff at Alabama...just check out this Twitter page

[anthonycharles]

Originally Posted by FSUFlyer I know some of the Shaka Smart comments were sarcastic, but some weren't. Can't believe anyone would actually think Smart would even pick up the phone if UD called. And calling both Gregory and Miller "respected" coaches around the country? First of all, most coaches don't insult another coach publicly unless there is real bad blood there. Secondly, who cares if they're respected? That doesn't mean people think they're great coaches that they want to steal away. They're "nice guys." "They do things the right way." Yada yada. I don't think Grant is a great hire, either. The foundation for VCU was laid by the two coaches that came before him. He just kind of maintained where they left off. I thought Smart was simply maintaining where Grant left off at first, too. I thought that deep NCAA run was one of those only-time-in-program-history flukes. But he's taken VCU further than any previous coach had them. To get back to my point, I wouldn't be all that excited by an Anthony Grant hire. It's not like the SEC is some ridiculously hard conference. It's UK and UF and a few other teams here and there each season that rise and fall. Bama has money and there are some good recruits in AL and nearby Atlanta/GA he can get his hands on.

So are you saying fire Archie if they finish 9-7, 8-8 or worst in the conference?

If BG isn't respected, why did Iowa, Oregon, DePaul (at least twice) and finally GT go after him to be their head coach.

If Archie duplicated BG's record here, a record that isn't satisfying to most on this board, I have a feeling similar schools would be calling. That sounds like respect to me.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by FSUFlyer And calling both Gregory and Miller "respected" coaches around the country? First of all, most coaches don't insult another coach publicly unless there is real bad blood there.

Did I miss something? Who insulted whom?

[FSUFlyer]

Originally Posted by anthonycharles So are you saying fire Archie if they finish 9-7, 8-8 or worst in the conference? If BG isn't respected, why did Iowa, Oregon, DePaul (at least twice) and finally GT go after him to be their head coach. If Archie duplicated BG's record here, a record that isn't satisfying to most on this board, I have a feeling similar schools would be calling. That sounds like respect to me.

Did I say to fire him? I think you give him 4 full years - not because I think he's going to turn it around but because I want UD's next coach to believe he'll have at least 4 years to turn around the mess he inherits. Being a perennially underperforming program and having a quick trigger finger isn't appealing to up-and-risers.

I explained what "respected" means to me.

But GT went after him because they could hire him for cheap (don't believe he signed for much more than UD was paying/could've paid) and because he was easy. GT was budget-strapped with paying Hewitt's buyout, apparently had some football obligations as well and were doing a complete renovation of their basketball arena. They couldn't afford anyone better. And UD fans were getting restless with his .500 seasons in the A10 every year (44-44 in A10 play his final 6 seasons).

Heck, he's 12-28 (.300) in ACC play at GT in 2+ seasons. Hewitt went .292 his final 3 years at GT. Huge improvement over his predecessor, whom GT fans despise. Teams are lining up for him. He's so respected.

Originally Posted by longtimefan Did I miss something? Who insulted whom?

You did miss something. Nobody said anybody insulted anyone.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by FSUFlyer You did miss something. Nobody said anybody insulted anyone.

Actually your comment can be read where you said that - may not have been your intention but the first time I read it as BG or AM insulted another coach publicly and therefore aren't respected

[anthonycharles]

Originally Posted by FSUFlyer Did I say to fire him?.

It was an honest question? Only wanted your opinion.

Originally Posted by FSUFlyer But GT went after him because they could hire him for cheap (don't believe he signed for much more than UD was paying/could've paid) and because he was easy. GT was budget-strapped with paying Hewitt's buyout, apparently had some football obligations as well and were doing a complete renovation of their basketball arena.

That is all true. There are many coaches out there that would leave there jobs to coach at Georgia Tech. They chose BG. Like it or not, that says something about what they thought of his coaching ability, especially when they are trying to build enthusiasm going into a new building. That to me, tells me they have "respect" for him as a coach.

Originally Posted by FSUFlyer Heck, he's 12-28 (.300) in ACC play at GT in 2+ seasons.

Again, true. He most likely will not succeed at Georgia Tech. It is a hard profession. When he gets fired, I won't be surprised to see him get hired by a "smaller" program like Hewitt did. We have different definitions of "respect". Respect doesn't necessarily equal success in the coaching world.

[FSUFlyer]

Originally Posted by anthonycharles That is all true. There are many coaches out there that would leave there jobs to coach at Georgia Tech. They chose BG. Like it or not, that says something about what they thought of his coaching ability, especially when they are trying to build enthusiasm going into a new building. That to me, tells me they have "respect" for him as a coach. Again, true. He most likely will not succeed at Georgia Tech. It is a hard profession. When he gets fired, I won't be surprised to see him get hired by a "smaller" program like Hewitt did. We have different definitions of "respect". Respect doesn't necessarily equal success in the coaching world.

You have some soft spot for Gregory and "respect" him. I have no such place and think he's a mediocre coach. That's about the gist of it.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[Glen Clark]

This poll is still open (and, btw, some pretty hilarious reading at this juncture).

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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark This poll is still open (and, btw, some pretty hilarious reading at this juncture). __________________ That rug really tied the room together . . . Walter Sobchak - The Big Lebowski

Agreed, Glen, and one of the most curious things to me is, since rollo's update on 1/23, the vote has been AM 19, BG 9. I'm guessing very few votes have been cast in the last 8 weeks or so (and definitely not many in the past 3 weeks).

[UD90]

Really? No comment. Sorry for being direct, but move on.

Edit:

Changed my mind - I will comment.

It's October 1991, My poll question is would you rather have Don Donoher or Jim O'Brien as your coach?

I think the future is very bright and I am glad we have Archie. Purnell brought us out of the garbage bin. Gregory had more post season wins than Purnell, and the future looks very bright with Archie.

I feel bad for even taking the bait on this thread.

	Don Donoher DON DONOHER Legendary Flyer men's basketball coach who guided Dayton to 435 victories in 25 seasons (1964-1989) including the 1967 NCAA Runner-Up. Took over the program after the passing of Tom Blackburn and earned many NCAA and NIT bids over his career, including five Sweet-16s, one Elite Eight appearance, and the 1968 NIT Championship. Groomed All-Americans Don May and Jim Paxson, along with all-time leading scorer Roosevelt Chapman. Coached UD as they joined conference affiliation for the first time (Midwest Collegiate). A graduate of UD, Donoher played for Blackburn and credits much of his coaching success to his mentor's teachings: defense, ball protection, patience, and unselfishness.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[pmcmullen]

Three. Complete. Seasons.

[UDBrian]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark This poll is still open (and, btw, some pretty hilarious reading at this juncture). __________________ That rug really tied the room together . . . Walter Sobchak - The Big Lebowski

LOL I started to respond to a couple of posts when I noticed the dates.

[dnutz77]

Holy Crap on a Cracker! I forgot about this thread and can't believe it resurfaced after the journey our boys just took us on!! Regardless, this thread was pointless the first time and even more pointless now.

Guess I shouldn't be surprised, though, because I noticed that someone graciously handed out a red pip to me YESTERDAY from a meaningless comment that I made in a game thread from THREE MONTHS AGO. Seriously?? We have folks on here that actually read threads from three months ago to find comments that are (arguably) "punishment worthy"! I feel bad for whoever you are!!

LOL LOL LOL.

Hope you enjoyed the season as much as I did! Still loving all the publicity that UD received/continues to receive. LET'S GET READY FOR NEXT YEAR!!

'Nutz out

[Glen Clark]

Mad Props to 'Nuz77 for using Holy Crap on a Cracker in a sentence!

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[pmcmullen]

Seriously - who is the ***** that is skimming these old threads and handing out negative reputation / comments to people that expressed dissatisfaction with the program in January without even having the balls to say who they are?

Buck up, and move on already!

[UDEE79]

My guess is that someone read a post slamming Archie and thought is was typed this week instead of in January. If someone was slamming Archie this week, even I, the nicest man in the world, would be temped to issue my first crimson pip.

[pmcmullen]

Originally Posted by UDEE79 My guess is that someone read a post slamming Archie and thought is was typed this week instead of in January.

Maybe, but my guess is that you're wrong and it is a case of someone with:
A) a broom lodged deeply up their tailpipe
B) a crazy case of nether region dissatisfaction
C) all the above

Finding a post WAY up in a thread from nearly three months ago and not realizing it is from a different time frame entirely should instantly remove all credibility of said "anonymous red pip person" even if you're right.

Of course, option B will prevent this individual from fessing up to their actions, so we will never know.