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3pt bucket no good, Team B shoots 2nd FT, play resumes
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3pt bucket no good, Technical on Team A, Team B shoots 2nd FT and gets ball back
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3pt bucket good, Technical on Team A, Team B shoots 2nd FT, gets ball back
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3 pt bucket good, Team B shoots 2nd FT, play resumes
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Situation: Team A fouls player on Team B in the act of shooting. Refs call for 2 free throws. Free throw shooter for Team B misses first free throw. Team A rebounds the miss, outlets it and runs down the court, shoots and hits a 3.
What's the call?
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#5. Team B shot and missed the free throw while shooting it at the wrong bucket. Team A is confused, rebounds and runs down and makes a 3pt at the wrong bucket. No harm and Team
B gets 3 points.
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Why do I feel like you're setting me up? Otherwise this is a no-brainer.
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Originally Posted by rollo
Why do I feel like you're setting me up? Otherwise this is a no-brainer.
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Now, why would I do something like that?
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01-22-2019, 10:37 AM
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Yeah, if it was a shooting foul, and it was the FIRST free throw? It's a dead ball after the miss. Line up for the second.
The ref should have advised the players that it was the first of two; relax. I suppose it's possible to call a T if it was somehow a malicious delay of game, but I would lean towards no harm, no (technical) foul.
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Either the refs would be blowing their whistles like crazy as Team B tried to advance down the court, and would T them if they refused to stop within a reasonable time and went on to shoot the three. Or, the refs blew it and did not realize there were two shots. They then would blow their whistles and stop play when all of Team A and their coach and fans went nuts and started yelling, and the official scorer sounded the horn.
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My guess is you saw this in a high school game or something, and either C or D was incorrectly called, thus the reason your asking the question with an obvious correct answer. Hard to find or keep good officials at lower levels as has been discussed on other threads.
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan
My guess is you saw this in a high school game or something, and either C or D was incorrectly called, thus the reason your asking the question with an obvious correct answer. Hard to find or keep good officials at lower levels as has been discussed on other threads.
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No, I bet that he is referring to the Canton Charge game from last Friday. I was there. It happened.
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan
My guess is you saw this in a high school game or something, and either C or D was incorrectly called, thus the reason your asking the question with an obvious correct answer. Hard to find or keep good officials at lower levels as has been discussed on other threads.
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This happened at D1 College level - and not directional schools.
I will share a video tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by IAFlyer
This happened at D1 College level - and not directional schools.
I will share a video tomorrow.
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Riddle me this: Was the officiating crew from the NCAA or NFL?
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I voted for T'ing them up, but really it would probably be A. If they did it over the refs trying to stop the game, then i'd stick with B.
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Rather than wait until tomorrow. Here is the video.
I don't think they got this call correct (despite what the commentators said). It is not on the video, but I assume that one of the refs said it was 1 and 1 to the players. I still think they got this wrong.
The funny thing to me is that the team that got to keep the 3 on the board was whining about the call.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QblPO0qijJA
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There is a fifth option. Anthony Grant is blamed for the mishap.
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Those refs are morons. Using that thinking, Trey's "practice" free throw should have counted.
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Where is Paul Harvey when we need him? Would love to hear the rest of the story on this one.
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You missed my point, it happened in an NBA G League game.
Another you make the call from the same game. A former Flyer gets upset when he get bumped a second time after getting fouled driving the lane and responds by firing the ball at the opponent and hits him. What's the call?
https://www.facebook.com/nbagleague/...3539495991956/
First incident at about 2:10:38 of the video.
Second incident at about 43:30 of the video.
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Originally Posted by IAFlyer
Rather than wait until tomorrow. Here is the video.
I don't think they got this call correct (despite what the commentators said). It is not on the video, but I assume that one of the refs said it was 1 and 1 to the players. I still think they got this wrong.
The funny thing to me is that the team that got to keep the 3 on the board was whining about the call.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QblPO0qijJA
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We've covered this situation in reffing classes. IF, IF, IF the ref told them 1-and-1, then the refs got the call right because everyone was under the assumption that play was live on the miss and, therefore, no advantage was gained by either team due to the refs verbal mistake.
Because they realized their mistake quickly, it's a correctable error, so you don't take away the points or fix the clock. Instead you correct the error by shooting the 2nd FT and continue play. It's confusing and really doesn't make sense, but that how the Rulebook/Casebook tells you to handle it. So regardless of what the armchair ref thinks, or how counter-intuitive it may sound, they got it right.
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Watching the video, Kansas may have THOUGHT it was 1-1, but it looks to me to be clear ISU thought otherwise, so advantage gained, IMO.
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Originally Posted by UDGutter2
Watching the video, Kansas may have THOUGHT it was 1-1, but it looks to me to be clear ISU thought otherwise, so advantage gained, IMO.
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I've watched the video with my magic reffing goggles 5 times and don't see any hesitation by either team.
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I did not see ISU move until after Kansas grabs the rebound. Then they react, but look confused.
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The shooter is definitely confused.
Bottom line is they may have ended up administering it correctly BUT, and rollo may not want to hear this, the refs royally screwed up in allowing this to happen!
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Originally Posted by CT Flyer
rollo may not want to hear this, the refs royally screwed up in allowing this to happen!
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No doubt the refs screwed up, but the rules address screw ups and the screwed up refs followed the cover-up absolutely by-the-book.
I screwed up a call in a boys varsity game last night...and my partners and I covered my *ss with the dreaded 'inadvertent whistle' make-up rule! Sh*t happens. How you deal with it matters, too.
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Originally Posted by rollo
I've watched the video with my magic reffing goggles 5 times and don't see any hesitation by either team.
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Watch the shooter after he misses. He stands there and doesn't move. Rebound, outlet pass, still standing on the FT line.
If he keeps standing there he's "showing up the official" and "drawing attention to himself" by not just playing defense. If he immediately runs back on defense he gives the other team an advantage because the refs can say "see you thought it was 1-and-1 too."
And then CNN will only run 1 angle and edit the video to make the situation fit their narrative.
Some guys might have known, but at least 1 of the ISA players thought it was 2 shots. That leads me to believe the ref probably said 1 and 1, while the shooter knew he was in the act of shooting so it should have been 2.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
Watch the shooter after he misses. He stands there and doesn't move. Rebound, outlet pass, still standing on the FT line.
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The FT shooter hesitates about 1 second but is down court and under the basket ready to box-out/rebound in case of a missed 3...he's also the one who - as soon as the ball goes thru the net - turns to the ref and signals '2' as it FTs.
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Originally Posted by rollo
The FT shooter hesitates about 1 second but is down court and under the basket ready to box-out/rebound in case of a missed 3...he's also the one who - as soon as the ball goes thru the net - turns to the ref and signals '2' as it FTs.
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Agreed. What's your point? You're saying there was no advantage gained? For example, the guard that had to help down on the big man while the shooter got back on D, which left the 3 point shooter open?
Because that's exactly what happened. Watch it again.
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