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Old 02-28-2019, 10:15 PM
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Question First Four Hurdle?

So, thanks to national ESPN crybabies, and Ed Cooley, Flyers pretry much barred from First Four. Consequently, given what is happening with UD's rising bubble stock, how much could the First Four conflict impact the committee's willingness to raise the Flyers status another two or four spots, beyond the already incredible juxtaposed placement that is taking place?

Logic seems to indicate this is a problem; but then the NCAA has a fake "Work Around" for every political conundrum. Nevertheless, I cannot get past this feeling that it requires the Flyers to climb four spots higher than any other at-large candidates.
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Agree the committee probably doesn't want the Flyers in the FF. Probably would mean that instead of being the 3d or4th 11 seed, we would have to be the second 11 seed, a move of one or two spots would be doable, but also easy for the committee to just leave us out.
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Old 02-28-2019, 11:05 PM
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Had we beaten Mississippi State and VCU at home, I think First 4 consideration may be warranted. We were not successful in those contests.
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Had we beaten Mississippi State and VCU at home, I think First 4 consideration may be warranted. We were not successful in those contests.
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Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach View Post
So, thanks to national ESPN crybabies, and Ed Cooley, Flyers pretry much barred from First Four. Consequently, given what is happening with UD's rising bubble stock, how much could the First Four conflict impact the committee's willingness to raise the Flyers status another two or four spots, beyond the already incredible juxtaposed placement that is taking place?

Logic seems to indicate this is a problem; but then the NCAA has a fake "Work Around" for every political conundrum. Nevertheless, I cannot get past this feeling that it requires the Flyers to climb four spots higher than any other at-large candidates.
What you stated is most likely true, but it doesn't matter. A-10 is a one bid conference and that's who only is the tourney champ. VCU, if they don't win it, will then be a outside bubble chance
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There was a subtle change made to the First Four rules after the Flyers played in the First Four in 2015. Normally, the committee goes through a selection process, a scrubbing process where the teams are ordered from 1-68 , then a bracketing process where the teams are placed into the bracket. Previously, the last four at-large teams selected were required to be sent to the First Four. The rule change now says that the lowest 4 at-large teams are now sent to the First Four - after the scrubbing process. While this is a small change, it does give the committee a bit of wiggle room to move teams around. One of the ideas of the new NET ranking is to be a predictor of team performance and make the scrubbing process more analytical and less subjective. We shall see.
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Had we gone undefeated we would be in line for overall #1 seed in the NCAA tournament
Nah, that honor would go to a 26-6 team from the ACC.
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There was a subtle change made to the First Four rules after the Flyers played in the First Four in 2015. Normally, the committee goes through a selection process, a scrubbing process where the teams are ordered from 1-68 , then a bracketing process where the teams are placed into the bracket. Previously, the last four at-large teams selected were required to be sent to the First Four. The rule change now says that the lowest 4 at-large teams are now sent to the First Four - after the scrubbing process. While this is a small change, it does give the committee a bit of wiggle room to move teams around. One of the ideas of the new NET ranking is to be a predictor of team performance and make the scrubbing process more analytical and less subjective. We shall see.
I did not follow this at all. You said the last four teams in then vs. the lowest 4 teams in now. What is the difference? It sounds exactly the same.
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I did not follow this at all. You said the last four teams in then vs. the lowest 4 teams in now. What is the difference? It sounds exactly the same.
No, it is not. Here is a more detailed explanation by Andy Katz.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...ection-process
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Originally Posted by Donniex3Era View Post
What you stated is most likely true, but it doesn't matter. A-10 is a one bid conference and that's who only is the tourney champ. VCU, if they don't win it, will then be a outside bubble chance
Stop, this same crap gets regurgitated every year and it's just not true. The committee does not look at the conference as a whole and pick a set number of bids. They look at teams and VCU most likely does not need to win the conference tournament to get in.
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I giggle to myself a little every time I see a comment that acts as if Joe Lunardi is the head of the selection committee.

He's not.

He's guessing.

He's a good, but not great guesser.

We may or may not be as close to an at-large bid as Lunardi thinks. I feel like he always gives A-10 teams the benefit of the doubt.
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I giggle to myself a little every time I see a comment that acts as if Joe Lunardi is the head of the selection committee.

He's not.

He's guessing.

He's a good, but not great guesser.

We may or may not be as close to an at-large bid as Lunardi thinks. I feel like he always gives A-10 teams the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe I missed it, but I do not see him mentioned once in this thread other than your comment.
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I giggle to myself a little every time I see a comment that acts as if Joe Lunardi is the head of the selection committee.

He's not.

He's guessing.

He's a good, but not great guesser.

We may or may not be as close to an at-large bid as Lunardi thinks. I feel like he always gives A-10 teams the benefit of the doubt.
Your argument was invalid as soon as you mentioned he is “good, but not a great guesser.” He is horrible and ranked pretty low
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Had we gone undefeated we would be in line for overall #1 seed in the NCAA tournament
What could have been.....
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What you stated is most likely true, but it doesn't matter. A-10 is a one bid conference and that's who only is the tourney champ. VCU, if they don't win it, will then be a outside bubble chance
Disagree. If VCU wins out (and could probably even afford 1 more loss be it regular season or somewhere in the A10 tourney) and even loses in the A10 final they're in..That team could be a 27 win team with possibly an under 30 Net rating before it's over.

What was deemed a one team NCAA tournament team conference 3 months ago can be very fluid. Imo, one of the best stat measurements they had which they got rid of was how a team looked/played in their last 10 games.

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Im only going to say this one time in one thread, and this may as well be it: lets figure out a way to beat Rhode Island by a point.
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Good point ChrisR; but you make it seem as if asking my First Four question will make the Flyers drop a game they otherwise would win. That's interesting, but silly.

Said potential First Four conflict could just as easily arise if the Flyers were considered locks right now, but then had an end of season meltdown.

And for the record, I'm only going to ask the First Four Hurdle question once, and it might as well be in this thread. Just saying!
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If we are in the 68 team field, they should move us up or down a seed to avoid the First Four.

Don't get me wrong, the first four game against Boise was probably my favorite game ever. Atmosphere was better than any game I can remember. It was an awesome experience. It was also in no way fair to Boise St.
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I do not see why we should be penalized by not making the tourney just because the game is at UD Arena. The team that we would play, I am sure there is a game or two they could have won that would have prevented them from playing in that game.
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The committee will first come to a conclusion on the at-large selections, then will go to final seeding.

Summary - where Dayton would get seeded (perhaps a First Four game) is not going to be used against us as a means of ultimately keeping us out. If the committee decides that we can fairly be moved up a line to avoid an unfair situation for our opponent, then they'll do it. Otherwise, they'll put us in the First Four and deal with it, as they did 4 years ago. But such a situation won't move us back out of the field.
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I hope you are right; and any credible thinking would sat you should be; but it's the social pressure and backlash the NCAA might avoid. If UD is in First Four, everyone else can complain; but if we are left out, we tend to be the only ones unhappy about it. So it's 349 schools and everybody's brother versus our one entity perspective.
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So, thanks to national ESPN crybabies, and Ed Cooley, Flyers pretry much barred from First Four. Consequently, given what is happening with UD's rising bubble stock, how much could the First Four conflict impact the committee's willingness to raise the Flyers status another two or four spots, beyond the already incredible juxtaposed placement that is taking place?

Logic seems to indicate this is a problem; but then the NCAA has a fake "Work Around" for every political conundrum. Nevertheless, I cannot get past this feeling that it requires the Flyers to climb four spots higher than any other at-large candidates.
Cooley should be more concerned about filling in that huge bald patch of his
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Cooley should be more concerned about filling in that huge bald patch of his
That's a little low, he has a disease. I have no problem bashing him for his cry baby attitude but personal health attacks aren't really necessary.
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Cooley should be more concerned about filling in that huge bald patch of his
He should really work on keeping his chair on the floor.
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This thread can now be closed.
You can probably close the last 10 threads.
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To be reopened next weekend and /or the weekend after that. If a team was hypothetically three spots from the cut-line, then one loss cannot totally remove said team from the hypothetical mix. If a number of other bubble clubs lay eggs in the next game or two, then you are right back where you started from. That's a simple truth! A damaging loss to be sure; and it was hard to stomach, but it has nothing to do with my original First Four question.

Now this thread, or another similar thread, can start asking, if UD will be able (allowed) to host one or two NIT GAME if need be? Yes. I know there was a change made regarding that matter; but what is the real practicality? If UD were to garner a 1 or 2 seed in the NIT, when can game one be played at the UD Arena? Afternoon Matinee? Not until Thursday?
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After the RI game, the "hurdle" just became a wall.

The only way in is by winning the tournament. BTW, that means we have to play at a consistently above average to solid level to compete.....something this team just hasn't accomplished this year.
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After the RI game, the "hurdle" just became a wall.

The only way in is by winning the tournament. BTW, that means we have to play at a consistently above average to solid level to compete.....something this team just hasn't accomplished this year.
every person on this site is aware of this, none of this needed to even be posted...

especially when you are wrong... they have NOT gotten to 19 wins this year by playing average...
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So if UD makes the Final Four and is paired against a 'last in' U of Indiana...Hmmm
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every person on this site is aware of this, none of this needed to even be posted...

especially when you are wrong... they have NOT gotten to 19 wins this year by playing average...
We’ll see. This teams body of work suggests that my comment is on target. They are unlikely to put together enough consistency to win the tournament.

I get that you don’t agree. But outlawing any post that is not sunshine and puppies is hardly a valid argument that they will win it.
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We’ll see. This teams body of work suggests that my comment is on target. They are unlikely to put together enough consistency to win the tournament.

I get that you don’t agree. But outlawing any post that is not sunshine and puppies is hardly a valid argument that they will win it.
not one person has ever said that, stop putting sarcastic words in our mouths...

we know the only way to make it to the tournament is by winning the A10 tourney... really nothing has changed, we were most likely there already...

yes, they are YOUNG and not deep, so there will be times of up and down... they are where I predicted they would be at the start of the year: vastly improved from last year, and not near as good as they are going to be in the next two years...

Early on, I went out on a limb and felt they would finish in the top 4 at the end of the season, and win the A10... I'll still go with that, but if they do not - it's okay I promise... relax, calm down and have a pizza roll.. the future is bright...)
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not one person has ever said that, stop putting sarcastic words in our mouths...

we know the only way to make it to the tournament is by winning the A10 tourney... really nothing has changed, we were most likely there already...

yes, they are YOUNG and not deep, so there will be times of up and down... they are where I predicted they would be at the start of the year: vastly improved from last year, and not near as good as they are going to be in the next two years...

Early on, I went out on a limb and felt they would finish in the top 4 at the end of the season, and win the A10... I'll still go with that, but if they do not - it's okay I promise... relax, calm down and have a pizza roll.. the future is bright...)
1. I have no idea what you predicted nor do I care.
2. I was not addressing anyone but you.
3. The board can have another opinion than yours.
4. Try decaf.
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