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If Dayton gets Obi Toppin back, look out. Flyers are expected to return three double-figure scorers and add FOUR transfers; Jordy Tshimanga (Nebraska), Ibi Watson (Michigan), Rodney Chatman (Chattanooga), & Chase Johnson (Florida). Won 21 last season and made NIT.
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If Dayton gets Obi Toppin back, look out. Flyers are expected to return three double-figure scorers and add FOUR transfers; Jordy Tshimanga (Nebraska), Ibi Watson (Michigan), Rodney Chatman (Chattanooga), & Chase Johnson (Florida). Won 21 last season and made NIT.
We don't really know what the fours guys that have been sitting on the bench for a year can do. I guess we can hope! Obi coming back is the key to next year for sure.
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We know a lot about what they can do. Theyíll be loaded if Obi comes back and health and injuries donít wreak havoc. Expectations rightfully so will be very high for next year. This looks to be the best talent top to bottom UD has had in any year since Iíve been following them.
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One thing for certain, barring a barrage of injuries, is the Flyers will have a whole lot more depth for a change. This will allow Coach Grant to turn up the heat defensively and demonstrate what a Grant-led defense really looks like! We have not seen that because of tired bodies and the fear of fouling out key players.
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Obi certainly is a key piece of the puzzle, but at the next level a healthy Jhery Matos is pretty important as well. This kid is mature, experienced and a playa. There are a number of players who can really bring the juice, but of course Obi stirs the stew.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer View Post
Obi certainly is a key piece of the puzzle, but at the next level a healthy Jhery Matos is pretty important as well. This kid is mature, experienced and a playa. There are a number of players who can really bring the juice, but of course Obi stirs the stew.
I think you are right, SDF. I think Obi could be looking at a 20 point/10 rebound average this year and a likely POY in the A-10 if that happens. I am trying to think the last time we had a player average 20 points per game. Maybe Negele?
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Obi's minutes will go down due to our depth so I'm looking for 15/8 from him. Crutcher's numbers will go down, too. There won't be many 38 minute games from anyone next season...30 might be the max for our returners.
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Meanwhile, looks as if the Spurs are first up with regard to the NBA’s Obi workouts.
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Obi's minutes will go down due to our depth so I'm looking for 15/8 from him. Crutcher's numbers will go down, too. There won't be many 38 minute games from anyone next season...30 might be the max for our returners.
Obi could still average 20 points and 10 rebounds while only getting 30 minutes! Crutcher's numbers will likely go down.
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It wouldn't hurt my feelings if some key players played 38 minutes against the tough A10 teams like Davidson and VCU, or even some of the tougher road games. Many coaches do it. There comes a time when all players are not equal in spite of the desire to get everyone their 20 minutes. Depth and development can take a back seat occasionally when a key W is ripe for the picking.
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I think Crutcher getting fewer minutes and having some help on the perimeter is gonna make a difference for him

I felt like if the post got taken away he had to be the guy to make something happen especially late in the shot clock

I'm curious if Obi can get a 30+ point game on one of the buy game opponents or a Fordham.
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I think Crutcher getting fewer minutes and having some help on the perimeter is gonna make a difference for him

I felt like if the post got taken away he had to be the guy to make something happen especially late in the shot clock

I'm curious if Obi can get a 30+ point game on one of the buy game opponents or a Fordham.
I will be even more curious and elated if Obi would get a 20+ or 30+point game against the likes of any of these P5 conference teams we may have to face in the Maui Invitational 11/25-27: Michigan State and Tom Izzo, Georgia and Tom Crean, Kansas and Bill Self, Virginia Tech with new coach Mike Young from Wofford and UCLA with new coach Mick Cronin from Cincinnati.

Obi's stock would go through the roof in 2020 if he comes back and that were to happen!
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I will be even more curious and elated if Obi would get a 20+ or 30+point game against the likes of any of these P5 conference teams we may have to face in the Maui Invitational 11/25-27: Michigan State and Tom Izzo, Georgia and Tom Crean, Kansas and Bill Self, Virginia Tech with new coach Mike Young from Wofford and UCLA with new coach Mick Cronin from Cincinnati.

Obi's stock would go through the roof in 2020 if he comes back and that were to happen!
All the more reason for him to come back if his likelihood of being drafted in the 1st Round isnít almost 100%.
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I'm not sure if anyone else noticed, but Crutcher's defense got much better in the last 5-8 minutes of our bigger games as he emptied the tank. (And often, in the final 2-3 minutes the tank was just empty.) Earlier in games he seemed to be thinking about being careful to not over-exert himself. I think if he plays 30 minutes we'll see a much different type of player.
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Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer View Post
We know a lot about what they can do. Theyíll be loaded if Obi comes back and health and injuries donít wreak havoc. Expectations rightfully so will be very high for next year. This looks to be the best talent top to bottom UD has had in any year since Iíve been following them.
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I don't think we will know until they have hit the floor a few times together come fall....all we have now are hopes and dreams.
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I don't think we will know until they have hit the floor a few times together come fall....all we have now are hopes and dreams.
This is every year, so I certainly donít disagree. But Marysville is also correct. The guys compete in the gym everyday. They know whatís being put together and coming. I believe Obi when he says we have a starting five and then over on the bench we have another starting five.

If we remain healthy, we are loaded. And there are another 10 months or so until the 2020 Dance. Months of going at it with each other pushing each other to get better. Iíve seen teams with a boatload of talent forget they had to work hard and get better because they did have more talent than other A10 teams. So they thought they could just show up and win. Doesnít work that way anymore. You have to continue to work hard and stay together as a team or you will get beat. With all the guys in the gym that expect to get playing time because of their talent level, I expect competition for that playing time is fierce and everyone will be working to get better everyday. It should be a fun year.
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Thanks for the link. I met AG and Darren a couple of weeks ago in the Cincinnati airport as they were on my plane down to Ft Lauderdale. Very nice guy. They were on recruiting trip (I believe they offered a 2020 recruit). I really believe Chatman and Watson are going to play large roles next season.
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The transfers got a lot of attention and rightfully so but I'm most interested in what kind of leap Cohill and Matos make next season, especially on the offense end.

AG is a defensive minded coach so I wonder if one of them sneaks into the starting line up in a sort of defensive stopper role
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Surprises are on the way with several players

I look for the most impact to come from Jhery Matos. Added strength over the season off, and 23 years old. Mature and savvy.

Then Rodney Chatman is another to watch for with 2 very productive D1 basketball seasons's under his belt. Mature beyond his age with solid stats his Soph year. I think he is more ready to breakout than Cohill.

Third would be Ryan Mikesell. He also will be 23 next season and physically repaired and stronger. Mature and will fill up the stat line.

And last, Ibi Watson is the sleeper. Will be 22 before the A10 starts and freaky athletic.


The operative word here is "mature" for all the above. We are not hanging our hat on scrubbed Freshman. These are players that have serious upside due to their age and experience, and except for Ryan that experience was with other programs.
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I look for the most impact to come from Jhery Matos. Added strength over the season off, and 23 years old. Mature and savvy.

Then Rodney Chatman is another to watch for with 2 very productive D1 basketball seasons's under his belt. Mature beyond his age with solid stats his Soph year. I think he is more ready to breakout than Cohill.

Third would be Ryan Mikesell. He also will be 23 next season and physically repaired and stronger. Mature and will fill up the stat line.

And last, Ibi Watson is the sleeper. Will be 22 before the A10 starts and freaky athletic.


The operative word here is "mature" for all the above. We are not hanging our hat on scrubbed Freshman. These are players that have serious upside due to their age and experience, and except for Ryan that experience was with other programs.
for all the angst about not getting McNeil or not bringing someone eligible this year on here and Twitter, it's gonna tough to get minutes when the team is filled with all this veterans

I wonder if there's a stat out there for average age of a player on a team
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An offseason Q and A with @DaytonMBB assistant coach Darren Hertz, who talks about how the newcomers with help the Flyers and how increased depth will make a difference next season

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...oZQYJqUoYJdgM/

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We are going to flat out destroy a lot of teams this year. Whichever P5 team draws us first in Maui better lookout. I predict a statement win by this team to announce their arrival.
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Sam Vecenie of The Athletic wrote last week that the wide-open nature of this draft pool is leading more collegians to take a shot at it. Fraschilla also points to the G League’s improved salaries and affiliations with NBA teams as an avenue that’s become more enticing for those on the fence.

“The fact you can basically get pro coaching, you’re in a pro system and your team is connected to an NBA franchise allows you to be as prepared for the NBA as if you had played another year of college,” Fraschilla says. “That has changed over the last five years.”

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