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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
My ranking is not based upon 15 games, it is based upon his previous 9 years as a hc plus the 15 games as UD's hc.

This is obviously not a final ranking, he will likely get at least 4 or 5 years here to improve that ranking.
So are you including JOB's years with the Celtics or OP's years at Clemson or ODU? If not why not? AG has clearly had more success than OP has anywhere.
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AG has been won 1 tourney game in 3 trips over 9 seasons

OP went to 3 straight tourneys at Clemson. His run at Clemson was more successful than anything AG has done
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OP never won a tournament game at any stop.

His teams at Clemson were known for playing an absolute cake non-con schedule, and then squeaking into the tournament. One year he had a very good team with a good seed and blew it in the NCAA. That probably sounds familiar.

So your logic is questionable.

However, I thought he did a great job here to rebuild the program.

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Thought I'd respond to this thread rather than start a new one.

I remain a staunch supporter of Coach Grant as I don't know the issues he's facing. I'm assuming we have 1-2 knuckleheads on the team that are on their own agenda. If so I'm behind our coach who by any definition is a man of integrity. I think Coach Grant will be a very effective recruiter, especially to those families that care where they send their children- notably those single mom's who see Coach as role model who can turn their children into men. The UD campus is a Mom's dream (I have personal knowledge of this having a D there now and knowing my wife's feeling about UD). Coach Grant is also a Mom's dream I would argue.

If Coach can get some recruits to join Dwayne Cohill next year, I like our chances to soon be dominant again in the A-10. VCU is going to be a mess for awhile after losing Tillman - we almost swept them with him & Rhode Island is due to fall back next year losing those seniors.

I may join the critics of his in-game coaching in 2-3 years but today he's the man I want at the helm.
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
AG has been won 1 tourney game in 3 trips over 9 seasons

OP went to 3 straight tourneys at Clemson. His run at Clemson was more successful than anything AG has done
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OP was the Marty Schottenheimer and Dusty Baker of college basketball game. Give him a full regular season and his teams could usually squeak into the playoffs and then he never had them accomplish what they could've during the one and dones.
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We have 5 good players.

1 can't play on the road.
1 has been a stud but is prone to foul trouble.
The other 3 are for all intents and purposes freshmen, and are streaky like freshmen.

That combo is good enough to look really good at times and awful at others.

It has taken Grant 2/3 of the year to figure out playing a 6 man rotation gives us the best shot to win most nights. He tried to go the development route, but sometimes the locker room gets out of control. We all heard this happened the year we lost to Cuse in the NCAA.

I'm excited to watch the rest of the season. And beyond.
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Grant also wanted to bring in Donnie Jones as the first assistant but the administration rejected the hire. Personally, I would have loved the hire, but it really doesn't fit the integrity beyond reproach narrative.
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Grant also wanted to bring in Donnie Jones as the first assistant but the administration rejected the hire. Personally, I would have loved the hire, but it really doesn't fit the integrity beyond reproach narrative.
Quite a bit of mythos built up about the man.
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by priceg75 View Post
OP never won a tournament game at any stop.

His teams at Clemson were known for playing an absolute cake non-con schedule, and then squeaking into the tournament. One year he had a very good team with a good seed and blew it in the NCAA. That probably sounds familiar.

So your logic is questionable.

However, I thought he did a great job here to rebuild the program.
In 9 years as a head coach before Dayton, Anthony Grant has never put together two consecutive NCAA appearances.
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Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer View Post
So are you including JOB's years with the Celtics or OP's years at Clemson or ODU? If not why not? AG has clearly had more success than OP has anywhere.
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No it's not "clearly". There's a big difference between taking 3 programs dwelling in bottom of their standings and lifting them up to winning programs and another one taking over teams that have had some recent success and either continuing it or reestablishing it. While it's not clear either way, my point is that it's not clear. OP is credited with saving programs. AG has yet to have any legacy that comes close to that. keyword is "Yet".

The two most important coaches in UD's history are Tom Blackburn and Oliver Purnell because without either of those two, we would not have had the subsequent successful programs that followed. Does that make them the greatest coaches when it comes to winning? No, it makes them builders and saviors of programs, without them you don't get the Donohers and Millers.

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Originally Posted by priceg75 View Post
OP never won a tournament game at any stop.

His teams at Clemson were known for playing an absolute cake non-con schedule, and then squeaking into the tournament. One year he had a very good team with a good seed and blew it in the NCAA. That probably sounds familiar.

So your logic is questionable.

However, I thought he did a great job here to rebuild the program.
OP was a 5 seed in 07-08 (a higher seed than AG has ever gotten)
7 seed in 08-09
7 seed in 09-10

Brownell went to the tourney his first year with OP's guys

So clearly what you said about squeaking into the tournament isn't true.
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Can we stop with whatever AG had at previous jobs? Jesus, Bill Belicheck has 5 Super Bowl Championships with NE and was a failed coach with the Browns. Whatever AG did before is of absolutely no value whatsoever today. Different team, different circumstances, different school.
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Can we stop with whatever AG had at previous jobs? Jesus, Bill Belicheck has 5 Super Bowl Championships with NE and was a failed coach with the Browns. Whatever AG did before is of absolutely no value whatsoever today. Different team, different circumstances, different school.

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Can we stop with whatever AG had at previous jobs? Jesus, Bill Belicheck has 5 Super Bowl Championships with NE and was a failed coach with the Browns. Whatever AG did before is of absolutely no value whatsoever today. Different team, different circumstances, different school.
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
In 9 years as a head coach before Dayton, Anthony Grant has never put together two consecutive NCAA appearances.
In seven seasons before this one Dan Hurley has only made it to one NCAA, and never consecutive years. Are you betting against him this year?
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
OP was a 5 seed in 07-08 (a higher seed than AG has ever gotten)
7 seed in 08-09
7 seed in 09-10

Brownell went to the tourney his first year with OP's guys

So clearly what you said about squeaking into the tournament isn't true.
If you would like something that is demonstrably true, Anthony Grant has more NCAA tournament wins than Oliver Purnell.
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If you would like something that is demonstrably true, Anthony Grant has more NCAA tournament wins than Oliver Purnell.
Was that ever a point contention?
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Your point was Purnell was more successful as a head coach than Grant ever was.

Grant has more NCAA wins than Purnell. So, sure.
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Recruiting

If AG can add at least two really good freshmen for the 2019 season...guys that can contribute like the 2018 freshmen we'll be cookin...in my opinion.
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If AG can add at least two really good freshmen for the 2019 season...guys that can contribute like the 2018 freshmen we'll be cookin...in my opinion.
I agree and I didn't want to start a new thread but Happy Valentine's Day to all fellow UD Priders. At least we all seem to agree that Anthony Grant should be given adequate time (3-4 yrs) to work with the current players and get his own recruits. I, for one, hope he is successful and stays for a long time.

Just this week David Jablonski posted on his twitter account how much Jalen Crutcher has improved from his first 12 games to his last 12! Trey Landers has set an example for the younger players of what can be accomplished from one year to the next if you put the necessary work in.

It is nice to have a forum where we can express our opinions, oftentimes just to release frustrations after a loss but as long as they don't become demeaning I find it interesting and try to read them all! I agree with the Jay Bilas's and the Bill Raftery's of the world who say that UD fans are some of the most knowledgable about the game of basketball!
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So are you including JOB's years with the Celtics or OP's years at Clemson or ODU? If not why not? AG has clearly had more success than OP has anywhere.
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I was not including JOB in my rankings, I was only looking at the last 4 head coaches.

I included all of OP's head coaching stops.

AG did win a NCAAT game, which OP never did, but OP has more NIT and NCAAT appearances.
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I was not including JOB in my rankings, I was only looking at the last 4 head coaches.

I included all of OP's head coaching stops.

AG did win a NCAAT game, which OP never did, but OP has more NIT and NCAAT appearances.
The only thing wrong about the comment is that appearances in post season that are 1 and done are like participation trophies ... sure there nice but only the participant remembers them ... no one else can quite remember you were there and what you did!
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For what it’s worth, Purnell’s post-season accomplishments were compiled during a 27-year career as a head coach. Grant is in just his 10th year as a head coach.
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The only thing wrong about the comment is that appearances in post season that are 1 and done are like participation trophies ... sure there nice but only the participant remembers them ... no one else can quite remember you were there and what you did!
...Which is why, even though last yearís senior class went to the NCAAT after every season, the teams that will be most remembered are the Elite Eight team from 2014 and the Magnificent Seven squad from 2015. The past two seasons will be most remembered for what might have been (if guys didnít have girl trouble, and if God hadnít recruited a shot-blocker).
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AG did win a NCAAT game, which OP never did, but OP has more NIT and NCAAT appearances.
OP did an excellent job rebuilding the program but he also lost to teams like Detroit and Tennessee Tech at home in the NIT. His nickname was never "Mr. March."

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I'm amazed that grown men continue to trash former coaches to make a point. OP, BG, and AM all contributed to the foundation that has been set. All were not perfect either. Hopefully AG builds on it. We shall see.

I still think it is silly to draw any conclusions about AG with such a small sample size and, clearly, not a full complement of players at his disposal. I guess it's all part of "it's better to be first than potentially right" ethos that permeates our twitter/social media driven society these days
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I think a view is made clearer if you see AG here a decade from now (or not). I project he will be here. The next part of this is: what are the desired achievements.
When I was active here, Dayton was consistently compared to Xavier. With our presumed A-10 stature, I at least expected the Flyers making the NCAA a few times a decade. I surely see AG improving, but think he comes up short given the following perception:

There are so many coaches out there with abundant passion, ego, and self-determination. I believe those 3 traits to be imperative. Yet, such a competitive environment exists that even possessing these qualities guarantee nothing. However, NOT having any one of these, assures failure to reach the TOP.
The departure from heading one's own program especially brought pause. I really do NOT think AG is DRIVEN by obsession or/and unwavering vision. Christ, these persons in successful programs practically sell their souls

AG got a particularly slanted look because of being an alum and was deemed a 'stayer.' I think he will stay.
In a decade, Dayton will again be on the cusp of occasional NCAA invites under AG, as he will mature. Still, I doubt there will be success commensurate with the advantages Dayton affords (relative to the other A-10 programs).

I DO wish AG the best. I simply put my thoughts to words.... I am not here to agitate 'optimists and believers.'
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“He took a group of players and got them to believe. That's the hardest thing to do. When people are used to losing, creating a vision and getting people to buy in to a vision and share the vision and trust the vision and trust you as a new coach … is not easy. But he's genuine. He's sincere. He's believable.”

On Ryan Odom of UMBC

This is what I tried to articulate in several attempts, but did not find the right words. Here it is in that quote; only turn the parameters upside down. !

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