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View Poll Results: Holmes - what do you think?
He will come back, he will realize that he needs another year at UD 54 58.70%
He will leave for the NBA, he is as ready and it is time 11 11.96%
He will leave for the NBA, but will regret it as a 2nd round pick 27 29.35%
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I think we all pretty much want him to come back. But do you think he will?
Is he ready for the NBA?
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I think we all pretty much want him to come back. But do you think he will?
Is he ready for the NBA?
Why would he return to college at this time? The feedback he receives from the NBA trainers and GMs will dictate what he needs to work on. So, if a team is not in love with him as to draft he in this years first/second round, why not spend full time working on the skills needed to be drafted the next time around instead of returning to college? There are a lot of demands on college athletesí time to which can be spent working on the skills with trainers full time to
perfect the skills needed to get to their ultimate goal.
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Why would he return to college at this time? The feedback he receives from the NBA trainers and GMs will dictate what he needs to work on. So, if a team is not in love with him as to draft he in this years first/second round, why not spend full time working on the skills needed to be drafted the next time around instead of returning to college? There are a lot of demands on college athletesí time to which can be spent working on the skills with trainers full time to
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1) there is big NIL money awaiting. 2) youíre not going to improve as much with a trainer. Youíre always better off playing. Not to mention out of sight out of mind.
General consensus from the folks who follow this stuff is that youíre better off going back to school if youíre not a top 45 pick.
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I am very surprised at how many people, 76%, think he is coming back. Maybe that is just wishful thinking. I think this is a toss-up as to whether he stays or leaves.
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I donít know Holmes and have no idea what he will do. So with that being said there is 0 chance I would ever pick an option that isnít him coming back. Of course itís wishful thinking. It infuriates me any time anyone on here tries to lay out reasons for why he should leave. Go put that on the loser X board. We should be rooting for and encouraging him to return!

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I donít know Holmes and have no idea what he will do. So with that being said there is 0 chance I would ever pick an option that isnít him coming back. Of course itís wishful thinking. It infuriates me any time anyone on here tries to lay out reasons for why he should leave. Go put that on the loser X board. We should be rooting for and encouraging him to return!
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I donít know Holmes and have no idea what he will do. So with that being said there is 0 chance I would ever pick an option that isnít him coming back. Of course itís wishful thinking. It infuriates me any time anyone on here tries to lay out reasons for why he should leave. Go put that on the loser X board. We should be rooting for and encouraging him to return!
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Not sure if it is wishful thinking or just how the poll landed, but 3 out of 4 dentists think that Holmes will stay.
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Not sure if it is wishful thinking or just how the poll landed, but 3 out of 4 dentists think that Holmes will stay.
They need him to stay. If he leaves, next year will likely be another missed tournament, barring some soft of miraculous season.
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Not sure if it is wishful thinking or just how the poll landed, but 3 out of 4 dentists think that Holmes will stay.
It is about 62/38 now, there was strong support for the "he will return to UD" side among the early voters.

This is really gonna suck if he leaves.
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https://twitter.com/NetsKingdomAJ/st...758320642?s=20 (video from Dayton games in the tweet)

"Brooklyn Nets Have Worked out 6”10 PF/C Daron Holmes from Dayton

Holmes is a projected 2nd round pick. He is a Defensive Center with great strength ,rim protection , & sneaky playmaking, very good in the low post." #Netsworld

Depends on the specific feedback he gets. I just hope the feedback is definitive so that he can make the right decision (for him).

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depends on the feedback.. sure seems like in this NBA, he will need to
develop a much better 3pt shot.... maybe add some pounds too, but
man an extra year could be huge for him... I am hoping he comes back,
voting he returns.
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https://twitter.com/NetsKingdomAJ/st...758320642?s=20 (video from Dayton games in the tweet)

"Brooklyn Nets Have Worked out 6Ē10 PF/C Daron Holmes from Dayton

Holmes is a projected 2nd round pick. He is a Defensive Center with great strength ,rim protection , & sneaky playmaking, very good in the low post." #Netsworld

Depends on the specific feedback he gets. I just hope the feedback is definitive so that he can make the right decision (for him).
Apparently DaRon didnít have a good feeling about his workout.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/05/...mes-bates.html
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Play this forward. Holmes stays. How does this offense help him for next years NBA draft?

99% of his offensive time is back to the basket. One significant gap in Holmes skillset is demonstrating he can hit 3's consistently.

Does AG change Holmes role to help him develop? Or does he keep him in the same role?
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As a freshman Holmes took and made a ton of 12-14 footersÖas a sophomore he took very few or at least it seemed that way. I donít think Holmes has to be a 3-point shooter to increase his stock in the next draftÖhe just needs to get back to shooting those 12-14 footersÖand make them!
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How is there a poll asking for people's opinions on a choice that someone is going to make? Does the board want to weigh in on what I will decide to have for dinner tonight?
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How is there a poll asking for people's opinions on a choice that someone is going to make? Does the board want to weigh in on what I will decide to have for dinner tonight?
If anyone cared, we could. There's considerably more interest in whether Holmes stays in the draft.
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If anyone cared, we could. There's considerably more interest in whether Holmes stays in the draft.
Understood, but what he is going to do is not a matter of opinion (like if the coach should be fired or who the player of the game is) such that a poll would be relevant. Just seems like some people like to start threads to see their name.
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There's growing confidence amongst the staff that DaRon Holmes will be back. Should know either way in a few days.
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Understood, but what he is going to do is not a matter of opinion (like if the coach should be fired or who the player of the game is) such that a poll would be relevant. Just seems like some people like to start threads to see their name.
How is that any different than the decision Neil or AG were going or not going to make? We had both a poll and at least one other thread with ~400 posts about that decision.
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I donít know Holmes and have no idea what he will do. So with that being said there is 0 chance I would ever pick an option that isnít him coming back. Of course itís wishful thinking. It infuriates me any time anyone on here tries to lay out reasons for why he should leave. Go put that on the loser X board. We should be rooting for and encouraging him to return!
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I believe ... no make that I am sure that this board has a significant impact on the feelings and decision-making of our UD players.
I couldn't tell if that was sarcasm. I certainly hope that no D1 player is so soft as to allow someone(s) on this or any message board to influence a decision. Traditionally this board has been pretty civil. A little less so this year but even that was only a few people. If they think it is better or they will escape criticism somewhere else, they are in for quite the awakening.

As to the post you quoted, I disagree completely. I hope EVERY YEAR we have multiple players worthy of debating whether they should go pro. Barring injuries, it should mean the program is trending in the right direction. So, I am hoping you learn coping mechanisms and have good blood pressure medicine because the better the talent the more pro opportunities. Now, I would definitely prefer that they are first round locks but that is a different discussion.
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Understood, but what he is going to do is not a matter of opinion (like if the coach should be fired or who the player of the game is) such that a poll would be relevant. Just seems like some people like to start threads to see their name.
Because this is a site to discuss and give your opinion on Dayton hoops. DaRon's decision affects Dayton basketball. Not that hard to figure out.
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How is that any different than the decision Neil or AG were going or not going to make? We had both a poll and at least one other thread with ~400 posts about that decision.
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My recollection of those polls is that they were what SHOULD the decision be (opinion), not what would it be. If I am wrong, then I have the same objection because that too would be a stupid and nonsensical poll question.

The fact that there are non-poll threads on the same topic, (like the one basically on this topic started by the same poster), is exactly my point.
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Because this is a site to discuss and give your opinion on Dayton hoops. DaRon's decision affects Dayton basketball. Not that hard to figure out.
DaRon's choices are not matter of opinion. If the question was, "what should he do" that is a matter of opinion, although I doubt anyone here is qualified to have an opinion on that question but as we all know that never stops any of us from expressing our opinions anyway.
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I donít know Holmes and have no idea what he will do. So with that being said there is 0 chance I would ever pick an option that isnít him coming back. Of course itís wishful thinking. It infuriates me any time anyone on here tries to lay out reasons for why he should leave. Go put that on the loser X board. We should be rooting for and encouraging him to return!
Love people being infuriated by someone else's opinion solicited by the stupid poll in the first place. I hope with all of my fandom that he comes back to UD. Do I believe it is in his best interests in terms of his development and ultimate goals? How could I, if we have the worst coach in DI. If that is a true statement then literally almost anywhere else would be better for him. I am at a loss that people who have railed against our coach for the last 10 months, like the guy who posted this poll, think that he will or should come back. If you feel the way you feel about Grant then you are just a flat out liar if you say he will or should come back to UD.

For what it is worth, I have no concern that DaRon reads or cares what I say. He is an elite athlete who knows AG better than any of us idiots and he clearly buys in. That should tell us all something, but it won't.
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I posted this because I was interested in what everyone else thinks he is going to do. Nothing more. It sounds like you do not care what everyone else thinks, and that is fine, too.

Yes, I am critical of CAG. But the fact that I have stated that I want Holmes back should also tell you that I am not wishing that UD has a bad season even if it meant that it would inch CAG closer to the door.

I like Holmes, I want us to win, I want him back to help us win.

The poll looks like 3 out of 5 think he will be back, so let's see what happens.
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could I, if we have the worst coach in DI.
What purpose does this level of hyperbole serve?
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DaRon's choices are not matter of opinion. If the question was, "what should he do" that is a matter of opinion, although I doubt anyone here is qualified to have an opinion on that question but as we all know that never stops any of us from expressing our opinions anyway.
LMAO of all the topics on this board, this is the one you are going to die on a hill on. Come on man this is a UD basketball board. This affects UD basketball.
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What purpose does this level of hyperbole serve?
Like all hyperbole it serves to highlight the absurdity of some of the comments that have been made on the topic.
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I posted this because I was interested in what everyone else thinks he is going to do. Nothing more. It sounds like you do not care what everyone else thinks, and that is fine, too.

Yes, I am critical of CAG. But the fact that I have stated that I want Holmes back should also tell you that I am not wishing that UD has a bad season even if it meant that it would inch CAG closer to the door.

I like Holmes, I want us to win, I want him back to help us win.

The poll looks like 3 out of 5 think he will be back, so let's see what happens.
Since the season ended you have posted nothing BUT "criticism" of Grant. And Criticism isn't the right word to use because you have continually and purposefully excluded obvious facts that don't support the narrative you are so dedicated to and also literally argued out of both sides of your mouth when it suits you. If you are now saying that you honestly think Holmes should come back to UD and that you want Grant to succeed, then I am saying you are a liar. And again, I am not a blind AG apologist I just believe in calling out BS when I see it, (i.e. every time you make a keystroke).

He may well be back, if he is it has nothing to do with this poll.
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He may well be back, if he is it has nothing to do with this poll.
It appears I have significantly overestimated our importance.
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Since the season ended you have posted nothing BUT "criticism" of Grant. And Criticism isn't the right word to use because you have continually and purposefully excluded obvious facts that don't support the narrative you are so dedicated to and also literally argued out of both sides of your mouth when it suits you. If you are now saying that you honestly think Holmes should come back to UD and that you want Grant to succeed, then I am saying you are a liar. And again, I am not a blind AG apologist I just believe in calling out BS when I see it, (i.e. every time you make a keystroke).

He may well be back, if he is it has nothing to do with this poll.
Yeah, I really could not care less what you think.
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I think Daron's decision will be 100% based on the results of this poll. I am certain he lurks on here daily to see what we think he should do. Based on that assumption, I chose option A.
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Yeah, I really could not care less what you think.
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Iím not sure why but I found this funny. Iím thinking back to a guy I grew up withÖthis is exactly how he would have responded. Sometimes itís just funny when someone says (types) the quiet part out loud.
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Yeah, I really could not care less what you think.
Have a great day.
And to think you've spent hours upon hours, both drunk and sober (like it matters), of your life that you'll never get back spouting the same incoherent BS on this site, so much that you obviously really really DO CARE what we think.

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Not taking the bait. Have a great day.
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oh, come on!
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It's close to 50-50 now...

When does he have to decide to remain in the draft or withdraw?
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Assuming he is back, which I think he will, CAG will have him be the center of the offense and let him expand his game to what he needs to do to build his game to be ready for the NBA. They clearly let Obi shoot more outside his last year here, and work on things he needed for the next level. Not much better of a recruiting tool for a mid major than to get your players drafted.
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He waited literally to the last second to declare for the draft, I feel like he will do the same this time. I am not sure what the advantage is to that, but he must see one.
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He is still doing workouts, was with Lakers yesterday (and maybe today). Why not stay in and get all the feedback you can.
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DDN:

Holmes continues NBA workouts as he approaches deadline for draft decision

"Dayton Flyers forward DaRon Holmes II talked to an Indiana Pacers podcast, Setting the Pace, this week and said he has not made a decision about whether to keep his name in consideration for the NBA Draft but does think he could improve his stock with another season at the college level."

"“I feel like I can showcase some more things, just with everything, just as a whole overall player,” Holmes told Setting the Pace. “The development over there is very good. I feel like I can improve. But at the same time nothing’s guaranteed. That’s the part that’s kind of iffy. But I do believe if I were to go back to school my stock could improve.”"

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...MKQTCKSXWC3SY/
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Selfishly, we want to have Holmes return to UD. He has been an impact player for UD the last two years. No player in the A10 was double teamed as much as Holmes. That impacted his numbers at times, but it shows what opposing teams thought of him.

We will know soon.
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He has a free option contract until May 31. It would be foolish to give away something of value for free. It's smart to wait until the very last second to announce his decision.
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we'll see, the day cannot come soon enough... I liked his quote, that he
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lot of things he is considering I am quite sure.
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Any want to do a guess when Holmes makes a decision type thread? I would guess on the 31st at 1 PM ET.
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I think this is a double edge sword for DH and the fans. Selfishly I admit I’d like him to come back one more year but it is in UD’s best interest to have another first round pick only a few years removed from Obi. I think that keeps the high recruits coming in.
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I think this is a double edge sword for DH and the fans. Selfishly I admit Iíd like him to come back one more year but it is in UDís best interest to have another first round pick only a few years removed from Obi. I think that keeps the high recruits coming in.
I have been thinking the same thing, know that is biased on my part, got that..

but it would help DaRon with another season and potential rise to the 1st
round... and help us too.. guess we'll see on the 31st
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I have been thinking the same thing, know that is biased on my part, got that..

but it would help DaRon with another season and potential rise to the 1st
round... and help us too.. guess we'll see on the 31st
I think it works out either way. It is possible thereís a high level recruit waiting to see what DH does, waiting to commit based on DaRon.
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I have been thinking the same thing, know that is biased on my part, got that..

but it would help DaRon with another season and potential rise to the 1st
round... and help us too.. guess we'll see on the 31st

No doubt. There's a big big difference between hitting 9 out of 12 threes when nobody's guarding you and hitting some threes and mid-range jumpers rather consistently in a 30-game season over defenders.
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I wouldnít be surprised if DaRon has been told by the NBA folks that another year could elevate him to a 1st round pick. If he comes back, his experience in the draft combine and private work outs could be a huge benefit to practices. More intensity. AnthonybMunoz said something recently about making even the walk through count. I think thatís really cool.
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I think it works out either way. It is possible thereís a high level recruit waiting to see what DH does, waiting to commit based on DaRon.
I have no reason to believe this, but you'd have to think Payton Sparks (former Ball State big who visited) can't be too thrilled with his position at Indiana. After he committed, a 5-star 7-footer from Oregon announced his transfer to Bloomington, followed by a 5-star big from the 2023 class (who decommitted from Duke). They have a rising sophomore 5-star big on the roster as well.

Hope Sparks doesn't meet a similar fate as Tanner Holden.
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Hope Sparks doesn't meet a similar fate as Tanner Holden.
I donít understand this thinking at all. Both players jumped from much lower conferences to blue blood programs. They left for greener pastures which Iím fine with but thereís a big gamble with what both did. If they didnít consider that their new teams werenít done after recruiting them they surely should have. Their predicament if in one is 100% on them.

I personally hope this happens a whole lot more as it would likely speed up the return to rational and structured decisioning as opposed to the Wild West free for all that exists now.
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I donít understand this thinking at all. Both players jumped from much lower conferences to blue blood programs. They left for greener pastures which Iím fine with but thereís a big gamble with what both did. If they didnít consider that their new teams werenít done after recruiting them they surely should have. Their predicament if in one is 100% on them.

I personally hope this happens a whole lot more as it would likely speed up the return to rational and structured decisioning as opposed to the Wild West free for all that exists now.
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If the schools arenít giving 4 year commitments, why should the players? If scholarships are renewable each year, shouldnít that leave an option for both parties? I donít mean for this to be snarky. Iím fine with provisions in an NCAA approved scholarship contract that allows for parties to break the 4 year contract for cause. I would even be fine with allowing players to leave if the head coach leaves but players have a limited window to exercise the out (I would envision a limitation that allows the school to hire a new coach and the new coach an opportunity to first meet with players). I would also consider it a material breach of the school suffered any NCAA sanctions for violations of rules so long as the violation did it involve the player.
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On a very basic level, I just want to see people succeed. Call it naive, but these are just young folks trying to make it. We're fans. We don't have to hope for players learning hard lessons.
Itís got nothing to do with hoping for hard lessons to be learned. Thatís the consequence of betting on yourself especially if you wagered too much on your choice. Ultimately if a school brings in 1+ better players than you after you sign, itís likely you over estimated your value and made a bad choice for yourself.

Players canít be afforded the option of trying to improve their lot as a player and not afford the teams the same options. The schools did nothing wrong in either case despite some painting it as the school screwing the players.
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so we'll find out Wednesday, can't get here too soon....)
what ever he decides, I know he put a lot of thought into it,
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No matter what Daron decides, he will always be one of my favorite players. You really can't ask for more in terms of his contributions on the court and his representation of the program. Great kid. Great family. I obviously hope he decides to come back, but ultimately he has to determine what is the best path forward for him, and I wish him the best.
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IF he stays, one added benefit would be a season of mentoring for
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I have no reason to believe this, but you'd have to think Payton Sparks (former Ball State big who visited) can't be too thrilled with his position at Indiana. After he committed, a 5-star 7-footer from Oregon announced his transfer to Bloomington, followed by a 5-star big from the 2023 class (who decommitted from Duke). They have a rising sophomore 5-star big on the roster as well.

Hope Sparks doesn't meet a similar fate as Tanner Holden.
Based on reading the tea leaves on what other power conference schools are doing Iím sure heís getting a nice NIL package to there

Someone on here said Holden got $86k from Ohio State
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And the winner is...... ?????????? I think no news is bad news today. Usually the leader in the clubhouse is leaked some positive message.
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It's close to 50-50 now...

When does he have to decide to remain in the draft or withdraw?
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Any want to do a guess when Holmes makes a decision type thread? I would guess on the 31st at 1 PM ET.
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And the winner is...... ?????????? I think no news is bad news today. Usually the leader in the clubhouse is leaked some positive message.
The early entry withdrawal deadline for Holmes to maintain he/his collegiate eligibility is Wednesday at midnight (11:59 pm)...so we should know Thursday morning.
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And the winner is...... ?????????? I think no news is bad news today. Usually the leader in the clubhouse is leaked some positive message.
From DaRon's perspective, the "positive message" might be that an NBA team indicated he'd be drafted early enough for him to stay in the draft.
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The most recent post-combine Mock Draft I saw (from 4 days ago) had Holmes at 55 and Camara at 56.
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The risk of a team expressing interest is that someone remains on the board that they didnít anticipate. That could lead to a harsh outcome. Holmes said that he is aware that his draft stock would go up with another year at UD. That sounds like someone who understands the risks.
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The risk of a team expressing interest is that someone remains on the board that they didnít anticipate. That could lead to a harsh outcome. Holmes said that he is aware that his draft stock would go up with another year at UD. That sounds like someone who understands the risks.
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He said could, not would. Those are not the same thing.
May also be a nit worth picking that I believe he said "returning to college" not "returning to UD." In fairness, I assume the "they do a good job with development over there" was a reference to UD, at least I hope it was.
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May also be a nit worth picking that I believe he said "returning to college" not "returning to UD." In fairness, I assume the "they do a good job with development over there" was a reference to UD, at least I hope it was.
Doesnít returning to college only apply to UD at this point since he missed the chance to enter the portal?
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Doesnít returning to college only apply to UD at this point since he missed the chance to enter the portal?
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You are correct. Technically the NCAA could give him a waiver for immediate eligibility somewhere else, but I doubt there is a justification and that he considering that.
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He said could, not would. Those are not the same thing.
The would is conditional, which is different from will. I realize the difference between could and would with both being conditional but having different conditions. In this case, could related to possible improvement, including draft status, if he returned. Here, would means that he would improve, including his draft status, IF he returned. Man. You got me there. Itís a good thing that one is cleared up. Being a message board, I think words are misused regularly. Iím sure Iím not alone in taking the time to edit my posts. I look forward to more of your efforts to correct others.
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The would is conditional, which is different from will. I realize the difference between could and would with both being conditional but having different conditions. In this case, could related to possible improvement, including draft status, if he returned. Here, would means that he would improve, including his draft status, IF he returned. Man. You got me there. Itís a good thing that one is cleared up. Being a message board, I think words are misused regularly. Iím sure Iím not alone in taking the time to edit my posts. I look forward to more of your efforts to correct others.
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Why does this post bring to mind Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice?
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How about there is no need to rush to pull out if you are or have talked to teams that like your potential and probably said something like he could rise on their board as others fall during the entire process. I would not be surprised if teams have told him to not pull out early, but let it play out until sometime early evening on the 31st. That’s what I would do…use all of your time to see what transpires.
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And the winner is...... ?????????? I think no news is bad news today. Usually the leader in the clubhouse is leaked some positive message.
He has until Wednesday....
so far, no news

we may not hear until Thursday
what ever Deuce decides I will defo be happy for him,
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Whatís the total number of former Flyers who have been drafted by an NBA team? How many have gone in the 1st round?
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Looks to be 39 players have been drafted with 3 in the 1st round and 8 in the 2nd round. If Camara and Deuce get drafted, 4 of the 14 first and second round draft picks will have played for AG. Kinda cool.
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Looks to be 39 players have been drafted with 3 in the 1st round and 8 in the 2nd round. If Camara and Deuce get drafted, 4 of the 14 first and second round draft picks will have played for AG. Kinda cool.
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Did the draft used to have more rounds, (3+8=11)?

I agree, it would certainly bear out that the recruiting has taken a marked turn for the better, now he just needs to make it count in the post season.

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The NBA draft has a wild history 4sure
The 1960 draft had 21 rounds.... believe it was the mid 70's
where it was limited to 10 rounds

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39 Flyers have been drafted since 1952

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Thanks, Rollo. I was able to find that site after my original post. Is it really possible that Kostas was one of the top 11 players for UD?
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The would is conditional, which is different from will. I realize the difference between could and would with both being conditional but having different conditions. In this case, could related to possible improvement, including draft status, if he returned. Here, would means that he would improve, including his draft status, IF he returned. Man. You got me there. It’s a good thing that one is cleared up. Being a message board, I think words are misused regularly. I’m sure I’m not alone in taking the time to edit my posts. I look forward to more of your efforts to correct others.
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I was simply referring to his direct quote, which is in the post above, where he used the word could, not would as you re-stated it. But since you're yammering on about grammar, which I will admit I'm not an expert on, of the 5 conditionals, only the first or second would be applicable, as they are the only ones that represent a present or future if. Of those two, the first condition is the most likely, since for a condition that is possible. However, as noted, in conditionals, will and would are not typically used in these conditionals, except to express a willingness.

Now, if you meant it in the second conditional, as in If I won the lottery, I would buy a new home, which is highly unlikely, then you area also stating that if DaRon returns, then his draft stock would improve, meaning that his return is highly unlikely. I find that hard to believe that's what you were stating.

None of the other three conditionals appear to apply to your statement. So, to recap, my reference was simply to the direct quote as opposed to the way you stated it, and while trying to be too clever by half, you appear to have missed the mark. However, I'm open to being corrected on this second point, as I stated above, I'm no grammarian, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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What is the point of making a player pull out of the draft before the draft?

They should use the baseball approach. Everyone is eligible out of HS. If drafted, you can choose to go pro or stay in college. If you wait, you have a three year waiting period. You can then get drafted after your 3rd year and still choose to wait.

This screws a kid like DaRon. He is forced to make a risky decision. Why is the NCAA forcing him to do so?
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What is the point of making a player pull out of the draft before the draft?

They should use the baseball approach. Everyone is eligible out of HS. If drafted, you can choose to go pro or stay in college. If you wait, you have a three year waiting period. You can then get drafted after your 3rd year and still choose to wait.

This screws a kid like DaRon. He is forced to make a risky decision. Why is the NCAA forcing him to do so?
This is an MLB rule, not an NCAA rule. For this to happen, the NBA would need to adapt this rule.

As far as screwing DaRon, I do not think May 31 deadline to keep eligibility is screwing DaRon. Colleges need to know what their roster is going to look like next year. Most players are already committed for next year, teams need to know if they have to replace their best player before most options are committed. We have also heard there are players waiting to make decisions based off of what players in the draft are waiting to do. Need to be fair to these players too so they can get to their next campus before most schools second summer session starts.
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I was simply referring to his direct quote, which is in the post above, where he used the word could, not would as you re-stated it. But since you're yammering on about grammar, which I will admit I'm not an expert on, of the 5 conditionals, only the first or second would be applicable, as they are the only ones that represent a present or future if. Of those two, the first condition is the most likely, since for a condition that is possible. However, as noted, in conditionals, will and would are not typically used in these conditionals, except to express a willingness.

Now, if you meant it in the second conditional, as in If I won the lottery, I would buy a new home, which is highly unlikely, then you area also stating that if DaRon returns, then his draft stock would improve, meaning that his return is highly unlikely. I find that hard to believe that's what you were stating.

None of the other three conditionals appear to apply to your statement. So, to recap, my reference was simply to the direct quote as opposed to the way you stated it, and while trying to be too clever by half, you appear to have missed the mark. However, I'm open to being corrected on this second point, as I stated above, I'm no grammarian, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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This is an MLB rule, not an NCAA rule. For this to happen, the NBA would need to adapt this rule.

As far as screwing DaRon, I do not think May 31 deadline to keep eligibility is screwing DaRon. Colleges need to know what their roster is going to look like next year. Most players are already committed for next year, teams need to know if they have to replace their best player before most options are committed. We have also heard there are players waiting to make decisions based off of what players in the draft are waiting to do. Need to be fair to these players too so they can get to their next campus before most schools second summer session starts.
You are telling me the NCAA couldnít decide to let a student play NCAA basketball if they donít get drafted?

I understand it is an MLB rule to how they want to have their draft. That said, if DaRon didnít get an agent and wasnít drafted after not pulling out of the draft by May 31, IT IS the NCAA that is deciding he canít play, not the NBA. Your later points make some senseÖbut it is cowardly of the NCAA to hide behind the NBAís draft rules as an excuse.
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Growing up, I was lucky to have watched these players:

Year Round Player
1979 1 Jim Paxson
1978 4 Erving Giddings
1976 2 Johnny Davis
1974 2 Don Smith
1974 6 Mike Sylvester

The reason I fell in love with Dayton basketball...
3 of those players played on the same team, the team that took nr1 UCLA
to triple overtime: they had Bill Walton, Keith Wilkes and others.. that
UCLA team was freaking loaded...

But our team was peaking at just the right time, at the end of the season.
We body slammed nr 2 Notre Dame in the regular season. We had 3
NBA draft picks Mike Sylvester and (I'm biased) the best backcourt in the
nation: Johnny Davis and Donald Smith....
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You are telling me the NCAA couldnít decide to let a student play NCAA basketball if they donít get drafted?

I understand it is an MLB rule to how they want to have their draft. That said, if DaRon didnít get an agent and wasnít drafted after not pulling out of the draft by May 31, IT IS the NCAA that is deciding he canít play, not the NBA. Your later points make some senseÖbut it is cowardly of the NCAA to hide behind the NBAís draft rules as an excuse.
The NCAA acts as if being drafted should end college eligibility. All they have to do is look at hockey, where there are many players who have been drafted and continue to play in college. The drafting team merely retains the rights to the player for a period of time. The players even have contact with the drafting team while in college and before signing with the team. Itís so different from football and basketball.
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The NCAA acts as if being drafted should end college eligibility. All they have to do is look at hockey, where there are many players who have been drafted and continue to play in college. The drafting team merely retains the rights to the player for a period of time. The players even have contact with the drafting team while in college and before signing with the team. Itís so different from football and basketball.
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I agree - Red Auerbach did it with Larry Bird:

Date: June 7, 1979
Red Auerbach took a big chance when he drafted Larry Bird No. 6 overall in 1978, not because there was any question about Birdís talent, but because he made a promise to his mother to play his senior season at Indiana State University. The negotiations to bring Bird to Boston went on for months before Bird signed a record contract for a rookie in any sport just a couple of weeks before the 1979 NBA Draft, when the Celtics would have lost the rights to him. Said Bird at the press conference, somewhat tongue-in-cheek: ďI should have told Mr. Auerbach I would have played for nothing.Ē
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1978 4 Erving Giddings
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The reason I fell in love with Dayton basketball...
Same here. And, to this day, the seat location I have to watch our current Flyers in action is the seat I had as an 11 year old when we spanked Digger and The Fighting Irish 97-82.
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