The GW... Fog?

[CoffeeCan]

Other rumored names include Fogriders, Blue Fog, Foghoppers....

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-...-be-called-fog

[NJFlyr71]

Mentioned in the location reference where GW is situated. Foggy Bottom

Why not use the term 'Bottom Dwellers' as the name?

[Jack D]

Woke losers

[FlyingArrow]

Colonials is kind of a lame nickname, regardless of any political connotations.

[superfan99]

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow Colonials is kind of a lame nickname, regardless of any political connotations.

I agree, except for one big exception, when your school is named after George Washington.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by superfan99 I agree, except for one big exception, when your school is named after George Washington.

Colonials served them well for many years, but at a certain point is there less of an emotional connection to a person living in a log cabin? Does it just get a bit tired?



I actually think Fogriders is kind of fun, and could even still tie in the Colonials style mascot and history.


You could say the same thing about the Wright Brothers / Flyers but we haven't stopped flying, we've gotten better at it. There aren't all that many Colonials left all things considered.



Think of the new professional franchises created most recently. Lots of soccer teams with "FC" because that's considered cool in soccer. The Seattle Kraken. The Golden Knights. (Too old?) The Timbers. The Whitecaps. The Union. The Sounders. The Thunder. The Dynamo.



Much more interesting than the Colonials.

[longtimefan67]

GW Founders

[flyerfanatic86]

GW Wooden Teeth

[Bill McPeek]

How about Hatchetites, or Hatchetmen, or Axemen. These were the names used prior to 1926 when Colonials was adopted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educa...onials-change/

I'm surprised they were not offended by the school Latin motto, which in English means "God is our Trust."

[rollo]

How about the GW 6ers as a tribute to the substitution patterns...

[N2663R]

I would offer up either of these, as they have been approved by GW Student Affairs.

The "GW’s campuses in the District of Columbia border the confluence of the Anacostia and Potomac Rivers, a historic center of trade and cultural exchange between several tribal nations. For generations, the Piscataway and Anacostian Peoples have resided in this region and served as stewards of the local land and waterways. Following European genocide and other harms that continue today, the Piscataway people continue to call this region home, honoring and celebrating their culture and relationship with the land -Doo Dah, Doo Dah's"

-or-

The "We acknowledge that much of what we know of the United States & GW today, including its culture, economic growth, and development, has been made possible by the labor of enslaved Africans, their descendants, and their ascendants who suffered the horror of the transatlantic trafficking of their people, chattel slavery, Jim Crow, and other harms that continue today. We are indebted to their labor and their sacrifice, and we must acknowledge the tremors of that violence throughout the generations and the resulting impact that can still be felt and witnessed today -Doo Dah, Doo Dah's"

Both of these would look great on a bumper sticker or lend themselves to a snappy cheer from the student section. And they're gluten free!

[hawkoooo]

I vote for the George Washington Basketball Team.

This is really beyond cringe.

[Runnin' Rebel]

George Washington Narcissists,
George Washington Dividers,
or
George Washington Leakers

[steverino015]

George Washington Identifiers

[UDEE79]

George Washington CherryChopper
George Washington DollarSlingers
George Washington Generals
George Washington Truthers

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan Other rumored names include Fogriders, Blue Fog, Foghoppers.... https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-...-be-called-fog

How.
Frigging.
Ridiculous.

Although, since many of the most notable of those who work in DC seem to be lost in a perpetual fog, that may not be all that ludicrous of a nickname/mascot.
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel George Washington Narcissists, George Washington Dividers, or George Washington Leakers

Just to take this discussion further down the path of the absurd: I wouldn’t want to see the uniforms for that last option (speaking as a man who is now north of 60).
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by UDEE79 George Washington CherryChopper George Washington DollarSlingers George Washington Generals George Washington Truthers

UDEE79, I can think of the following “woke” reasons to object to 2 of those:

-CherryChoppers would glorify destruction of the environment, due to the deforestation implied by the nickname.

-Generals would promote the military/industrial complex, and thus be a sign of war-mongering.

And, as an additional smart-@$$ remark, there’s nothing “truthful” about DC, so that one probably wouldn’t work.

All that said, DollarSlingers has some potential!
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[UDEE79]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 UDEE79, I can think of the following “woke” reasons to object to 2 of those: -CherryChoppers would glorify destruction of the environment, due to the deforestation implied by the nickname. -Generals would promote the military/industrial complex, and thus be a sign of war-mongering. And, as an additional smart-@$$ remark, there’s nothing “truthful” about DC, so that one probably wouldn’t work. All that said, DollarSlingers has some potential! Posted via Mobile Device

DC isn't truthful but G. Washington was!

Also if they change to G. Washington Generals the Globetrotters would want to play them.

Finally They can change the name of the college to Bill Clinton U and call themselves the cherry poppers.

[cj]

That was no popped cherry, now the Cigar Moisturizers would work.
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[UDEE79]

Originally Posted by cj That was no popped cherry, now the Cigar Moisturizers would work. Posted via Mobile Device

Between Trump, Clinton and Kennedy there must have been some Cherry Poppin.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

"Revolutionaries" it is. ( Quite a mouthful)
https://twitter.com/A10Vault/status/...930506/photo/1

[kman84ud]

They should have chosen the George Washington Revolution over that.

[N2663R]

We need to get out of the A10. This is an embarrassment . . .

[Bill McPeek]

Will they be referred to as the Revs? Oh wait a minute, that sounds too much like Rebs and that would certainly be a no no!

[Flyer68]

When they take the court, will their team song be John Lennon's "Revolution." "They say you want a revolution...."

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 GW Founders

Like Titanic, yes!

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by N2663R We need to get out of the A10. This is an embarrassment . . .

There is an article in the Washington Examiner this morning which references UD's application for and use of domestic terror grant money from DHS, which may lead you to the conclusion that we are right where we belong with this BS.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 There is an article in the Washington Examiner this morning which references UD's application for and use of domestic terror grant money from DHS, which may lead you to the conclusion that we are right where we belong with this BS.

Interesting article. Probably going to make a few alumni's heads explode.

[Flyers98]

I'll admit, I didn't love it. I am all for inviting people with opposing view points to campus for discussions. One of the best things I ever saw was a debate between Cornell West and Dinesh DiSousa about affirmative action. This seems like something else to me.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 I'll admit, I didn't love it. I am all for inviting people with opposing view points to campus for discussions. One of the best things I ever saw was a debate between Cornell West and Dinesh DiSousa about affirmative action. This seems like something else to me.

I have no problem with opposing viewpoints.

That requires an opposing viewpoint. Lacking one, it's just indoctrination.

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 There is an article in the Washington Examiner this morning which references UD's application for and use of domestic terror grant money from DHS, which may lead you to the conclusion that we are right where we belong with this BS.

Very Interesting . . .

[Chris R]

Colonials - a very generic term - was too upsetting to keep, but they are keeping the actual name of the school - which is named after a specific man that owned over 100 slaves.

You'd think kids that went to GW would be smarter than this. You cant make it make sense.

[CoffeeCan]

Revolutionaries suggests the Revolutionary War. Which was fought by, for, and in the colonies by Colonials.

Makes no sense to me.

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan Revolutionaries suggests the Revolutionary War. Which was fought by, for, and in the colonies by Colonials. Makes no sense to me.

When you get to the word "suggests" you have already thought about it too much. It is a mascot, not a mission statement.

I could care less about GW's athlectic department but what I DO care about is ice cream. Is this going to effect my ability to get a Kitchen Sink, or a scoop of soft serve in a mini MLB batting helmet, (that may be Dairy Queen, it has been a while)?

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan Revolutionaries suggests the Revolutionary War. Which was fought by, for, and in the colonies by Colonials. Makes no sense to me.

Who were...rebels! Every day I think we may be in peak clown world and every day I'm proven wrong.

[Gazoo]

Stop trying to measure crazy with a rational yardstick.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

The connotations of words can change over time. It’s not too tough to understand. It’s not that tough. Hypocrisy exists on many levels in virtually every group. As far as GW goes, they’ve had different mascots and have even changed it before because of students objections. The get off my lawn folks can get worked up over some silly stuff.
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[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by Chris R Colonials - a very generic term - was too upsetting to keep, but they are keeping the actual name of the school - which is named after a specific man that owned over 100 slaves. You'd think kids that went to GW would be smarter than this. You cant make it make sense.

I believe some of their students are already after the name
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[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 When you get to the word "suggests" you have already thought about it too much. It is a mascot, not a mission statement. I could care less about GW's athlectic department but what I DO care about is ice cream. Is this going to effect my ability to get a Kitchen Sink, or a scoop of soft serve in a mini MLB batting helmet, (that may be Dairy Queen, it has been a while)?

1. What "revolution" do you think of when you hear someone say "George Washington"

2. Yes, I think that is Dairy Queen. Also at baseball stadiums.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer The connotations of words can change over time. It’s not too tough to understand. It’s not that tough. Hypocrisy exists on many levels in virtually every group. As far as GW goes, they’ve had different mascots and have even changed it before because of students objections. The get off my lawn folks can get worked up over some silly stuff. Posted via Mobile Device

A. They can call themselves anything they want. It generates zero emotional response from me. Cleveland Guardians, change your name to Sally (or Luke), I just simply don't care.

B. If they called themselves the Founding Fathers, it very much WOULD generate an emotional reaction from "you" along with protests and a whole lotta people getting arrested. I doubt anyone gets arrested for thinking "Colonials" was a good name, they'll largely keep it to themselves. Same for Revolutionaries. I'd say it's likely some people get arrested over Revolutionaries. Silly how some people can get so worked up over the name, right?

Also silly how some people can see the splinter but not the log.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by Gazoo A. They can call themselves anything they want. It generates zero emotional response from me. Cleveland Guardians, change your name to Sally (or Luke), I just simply don't care. B. If they called themselves the Founding Fathers, it very much WOULD generate an emotional reaction from "you" along with protests and a whole lotta people getting arrested. I doubt anyone gets arrested for thinking "Colonials" was a good name, they'll largely keep it to themselves. Same for Revolutionaries. I'd say it's likely some people get arrested over Revolutionaries. Silly how some people can get so worked up over the name, right? Also silly how some people can see the splinter but not the log.

I seem to recall a cartain amount of angst when a school we all know and love changed it's logo.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by UD62 I seem to recall a cartain amount of angst when a school we all know and love changed it's logo.

The jails were filled to capacity.

People can think it's an ugly logo, or dumb name, and still be human beings, right?

My point was that he was willing to call others silly for getting "worked up" over it, specifically calling out old people. And yet, if the opposite was true, the ilk on the other side would be so worked up they would be in a frenzy, carrying signs and confronting police.

It seems odd to call out just people on the one side.

[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by Gazoo The jails were filled to capacity. People can think it's an ugly logo, or dumb name, and still be human beings, right? My point was that he was willing to call others silly for getting "worked up" over it, specifically calling out old people. And yet, if the opposite was true, the ilk on the other side would be so worked up they would be in a frenzy, carrying signs and confronting police. It seems odd to call out just people on the one side.

Found the old person

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Originally Posted by Gazoo The jails were filled to capacity. People can think it's an ugly logo, or dumb name, and still be human beings, right? My point was that he was willing to call others silly for getting "worked up" over it, specifically calling out old people. And yet, if the opposite was true, the ilk on the other side would be so worked up they would be in a frenzy, carrying signs and confronting police. It seems odd to call out just people on the one side.

I am certainly not a member of whatever “you” that you’re trying to reference. The log not gathering moss is the rabid effort to ban books. It’s shocking that Amanda Gordon’s inauguration poem has been banned in a Florida school district. There have been more efforts to ban book over the last 4 years than the prior 20+ years. School nicknames and mascots. Meh. But, go ahead and blabber on about how your understanding of “colonials” should be universal. “Your” complaining loudly about perceived offense veils the effort to really strike at fee speech efforts. The same people claiming that their right to hold and to share their beliefs are banning books that share other beliefs.
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[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer I am certainly not a member of whatever “you” that you’re trying to reference. The log not gathering moss is the rabid effort to ban books. It’s shocking that Amanda Gordon’s inauguration poem has been banned in a Florida school district. There have been more efforts to ban book over the last 4 years than the prior 20+ years. School nicknames and mascots. Meh. But, go ahead and blabber on about how your understanding of “colonials” should be universal. “Your” complaining loudly about perceived offense veils the effort to really strike at fee speech efforts. The same people claiming that their right to hold and to share their beliefs are banning books that share other beliefs. Posted via Mobile Device

As with everything in America today, everybody wants to jump to the extremes. Is there room to talk about BOTH the right to free speech and the right of parents (who actually pay for the books, the teachers, etc...), to make their feelings known to their elected officials, (which is a right also in that pesky 1st amendment). As a general principal I agree that the government should not ban books, but I would hope you would agree that doesn't mean the government should accept free pornography from groups with a clear agenda and stock elementary school shelves with them and then refuse to give parents inventories of the books int eh libraries. Those are the extremes and I think most of us don't support either.

The thing that people tend to forget is that free speech is guaranteed for everyone, hard stop. Some states have passed laws the prohibit the removal of books from libraries, (school and public), will they support those laws when books on Nazism show up on the shelves? Or when a group wants to sponsor a speaker who believes that the holocaust never happened? I sure hope not. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you always should. Using the first amendment to poke people in the eye, or mock the beliefs of others is the dark side of free speech and while it is still free, others are free to react how they wish and to seek redress from their government.

[TXFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer I am certainly not a member of whatever “you” that you’re trying to reference. The log not gathering moss is the rabid effort to ban books. It’s shocking that Amanda Gordon’s inauguration poem has been banned in a Florida school district. There have been more efforts to ban book over the last 4 years than the prior 20+ years. School nicknames and mascots. Meh. But, go ahead and blabber on about how your understanding of “colonials” should be universal. “Your” complaining loudly about perceived offense veils the effort to really strike at fee speech efforts. The same people claiming that their right to hold and to share their beliefs are banning books that share other beliefs. Posted via Mobile Device

Actually, your response here is exactly what is expected from the "you" he's talking about. You actually believe the poem was banned, because it fits your worldview, and lack of research.

"Staff members on the school’s materials review committee ultimately decided four of the five books would be “more appropriate” for middle school-aged children and thus moved the books to the middle-school section of the library. A fifth book that also underwent review, Countries in the News: Cuba, was found to be “balanced and age appropriate” and was kept in place.

Minutes from a meeting of the review committee show the panel found the vocabulary used in Gorman’s poem was “determined to be of value for middle school students.”

A spokesperson for Miami-Dade County Public Schools told CNN that “no literature (books or poem) has been banned or removed.”

“It was determined at the school that ‘The Hill We Climb’ is better suited for middle school students and, it was shelved in the middle school section of the media center. The book remains available in the media center.”

So, not banned, but moved to a middle-school section where they deemed it more appropriate.

There have been no book bans in Florida. There have been books removed from some school libraries as they were not age appropriate or were inappropriate for any school age, containing graphic pornography. Yet, those same books are available for purchase in any bookstore.

Congratulations for all of you for turning this into a OTG post. It probably should be moved.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer I am certainly not a member of whatever “you” that you’re trying to reference. The log not gathering moss is the rabid effort to ban books. It’s shocking that Amanda Gordon’s inauguration poem has been banned in a Florida school district. There have been more efforts to ban book over the last 4 years than the prior 20+ years. School nicknames and mascots. Meh. But, go ahead and blabber on about how your understanding of “colonials” should be universal. “Your” complaining loudly about perceived offense veils the effort to really strike at fee speech efforts. The same people claiming that their right to hold and to share their beliefs are banning books that share other beliefs. Posted via Mobile Device

Which is why I said "you". With quotes.

You do realize that I can hold both of these ideas at the same time, without conflict? That banning that poem is petty, and yet so is getting worked up over *my* understanding of "colonials"?

Can you?

Because only one of us took the time to call out an entire group of people without recognizing that the hypocrisy abounds on both sides. It's only "those people" who are the problem in your world I guess. (Now, enjoy the backtrack.)

And contrary to the troll among the board, I'm not even 50 yet. Nor Republican.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan Actually, your response here is exactly what is expected from the "you" he's talking about. You actually believe the poem was banned, because it fits your worldview, and lack of research. "Staff members on the school’s materials review committee ultimately decided four of the five books would be “more appropriate” for middle school-aged children and thus moved the books to the middle-school section of the library. A fifth book that also underwent review, Countries in the News: Cuba, was found to be “balanced and age appropriate” and was kept in place. Minutes from a meeting of the review committee show the panel found the vocabulary used in Gorman’s poem was “determined to be of value for middle school students.” A spokesperson for Miami-Dade County Public Schools told CNN that “no literature (books or poem) has been banned or removed.” “It was determined at the school that ‘The Hill We Climb’ is better suited for middle school students and, it was shelved in the middle school section of the media center. The book remains available in the media center.” So, not banned, but moved to a middle-school section where they deemed it more appropriate. There have been no book bans in Florida. There have been books removed from some school libraries as they were not age appropriate or were inappropriate for any school age, containing graphic pornography. Yet, those same books are available for purchase in any bookstore. Congratulations for all of you for turning this into a OTG post. It probably should be moved.

I was going to write all of this, but alas, it seems clear that it will fall on deaf ears. I admire your belief in the ability of human reason to prevail.

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan Actually, your response here is exactly what is expected from the "you" he's talking about. You actually believe the poem was banned, because it fits your worldview, and lack of research. "Staff members on the school’s materials review committee ultimately decided four of the five books would be “more appropriate” for middle school-aged children and thus moved the books to the middle-school section of the library. A fifth book that also underwent review, Countries in the News: Cuba, was found to be “balanced and age appropriate” and was kept in place. Minutes from a meeting of the review committee show the panel found the vocabulary used in Gorman’s poem was “determined to be of value for middle school students.” A spokesperson for Miami-Dade County Public Schools told CNN that “no literature (books or poem) has been banned or removed.” “It was determined at the school that ‘The Hill We Climb’ is better suited for middle school students and, it was shelved in the middle school section of the media center. The book remains available in the media center.” So, not banned, but moved to a middle-school section where they deemed it more appropriate. There have been no book bans in Florida. There have been books removed from some school libraries as they were not age appropriate or were inappropriate for any school age, containing graphic pornography. Yet, those same books are available for purchase in any bookstore. Congratulations for all of you for turning this into a OTG post. It probably should be moved.

Sorry for the hijack, but I'll point out we have two active threads regarding preferred walkons, so not alot of burning basketball issues to be discussed

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer I am certainly not a member of whatever “you” that you’re trying to reference. The log not gathering moss is the rabid effort to ban books. It’s shocking that Amanda Gordon’s inauguration poem has been banned in a Florida school district. There have been more efforts to ban book over the last 4 years than the prior 20+ years. School nicknames and mascots. Meh. But, go ahead and blabber on about how your understanding of “colonials” should be universal. “Your” complaining loudly about perceived offense veils the effort to really strike at fee speech efforts. The same people claiming that their right to hold and to share their beliefs are banning books that share other beliefs. Posted via Mobile Device

Amanda GORMAN, by the way, (that's embarrassing). I didn't have to look it up because while I certainly don't agree with everything she says or writes I remember almost being moved to tears that someone so young still had that much faith in America. Made me remember her name.

[88flyer]

All politics aside, it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue very easily. There had to be at least 10 better choices...

[flyerfanatic86]

I think there were better options, but lol at the people on here who seem to care way too much about the nickname of another school.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan Actually, your response here is exactly what is expected from the "you" he's talking about. You actually believe the poem was banned, because it fits your worldview, and lack of research. "Staff members on the school’s materials review committee ultimately decided four of the five books would be “more appropriate” for middle school-aged children and thus moved the books to the middle-school section of the library. A fifth book that also underwent review, Countries in the News: Cuba, was found to be “balanced and age appropriate” and was kept in place. Minutes from a meeting of the review committee show the panel found the vocabulary used in Gorman’s poem was “determined to be of value for middle school students.” A spokesperson for Miami-Dade County Public Schools told CNN that “no literature (books or poem) has been banned or removed.” “It was determined at the school that ‘The Hill We Climb’ is better suited for middle school students and, it was shelved in the middle school section of the media center. The book remains available in the media center.” So, not banned, but moved to a middle-school section where they deemed it more appropriate. There have been no book bans in Florida. There have been books removed from some school libraries as they were not age appropriate or were inappropriate for any school age, containing graphic pornography. Yet, those same books are available for purchase in any bookstore. Congratulations for all of you for turning this into a OTG post. It probably should be moved.

That is a ban. It’s like much in Florida and other degenerate imitating areas. They claim it’s not a ban. They’re just removing the books from a library and disallowing students the ability to access the book because they don’t believe it’s appropriate. That’s banning it. That’s no different from the Florida law treating the government as a patriarchal sovereign. It’s a huge leap from limited government to government limiting us. Btw, I’m not suggesting that a school’s overreaching censorship is the same as what has happened at GW. I see the issue as a concerted effort to ban books, again…the efforts are alarming since 2016…, is disregarded and casually justified while folks castigate students finding their school’s mascot offensive. The acceptance of one and the ****ing of the other hurts my soul.
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[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer That is a ban. It’s like much in Florida and other degenerate imitating areas. They claim it’s not a ban. They’re just removing the books from a library and disallowing students the ability to access the book because they don’t believe it’s appropriate. That’s banning it. That’s no different from the Florida law treating the government as a patriarchal sovereign. It’s a huge leap from limited government to government limiting us. Btw, I’m not suggesting that a school’s overreaching censorship is the same as what has happened at GW. I see the issue as a concerted effort to ban books, again…the efforts are alarming since 2016…, is disregarded and casually justified while folks castigate students finding their school’s mascot offensive. The acceptance of one and the ****ing of the other hurts my soul. Posted via Mobile Device

I at least partially agree.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/us/dr...rnd/index.html

And I'd be willing to bet that, over a beer, you and I would actually find very little difference in the "right" and "wrong" here if you were pressed to defend your positions.

What I can't abide, however, is people who are political shills. They only see the problems with the other side. There is gnashing of teeth and tearing of sackcloth over "Colonials" and "The Cat in the Hat" but strangely silent on the stupidity of their "team."

Stop being on a team. It literally, according to science, makes you stupid.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Gazoo, that would be a great beer.
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[TXFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer That is a ban. It’s like much in Florida and other degenerate imitating areas. They claim it’s not a ban. They’re just removing the books from a library and disallowing students the ability to access the book because they don’t believe it’s appropriate. That’s banning it. That’s no different from the Florida law treating the government as a patriarchal sovereign. It’s a huge leap from limited government to government limiting us. Btw, I’m not suggesting that a school’s overreaching censorship is the same as what has happened at GW. I see the issue as a concerted effort to ban books, again…the efforts are alarming since 2016…, is disregarded and casually justified while folks castigate students finding their school’s mascot offensive. The acceptance of one and the ****ing of the other hurts my soul. Posted via Mobile Device

ban1
verb
officially or legally prohibit.

A spokesperson for Miami-Dade County Public Schools told CNN that “no literature (books or poem) has been banned or removed.”

“It was determined at the school that ‘The Hill We Climb’ is better suited for middle school students and, it was shelved in the middle school section of the media center. The book remains available in the media center.”

So, not a ban. Not only did you not do research to understand, you doubled down on stupid by claiming it's still banned and unavailable, when the book is still available, only in a different section.

And to top it off, you preface it by labeling Florida and other areas as degenerate, apparently for, I don't know, removing graphic pornography books from school libraries. Maybe that's the kind of thing you want in your schools, but most sane and rational people don't. But please, continue showing that you have absolutely zero clue what you are talking about. It's helpful to know whose opinions can be immediately discarded.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

[QUOTE=TXFlyerFan;735109]ban1
verb
officially or legally prohibit.

A spokesperson for Miami-Dade County Public Schools told CNN that “no literature (books or poem) has been banned or removed.”

“It was determined at the school that ‘The Hill We Climb’ is better suited for middle school students and, it was shelved in the middle school section of the media center. The book remains available in the media center.”

So, not a ban. Not only did you not do research to understand, you doubled down on stupid by claiming it's still banned and unavailable, when the book is still available, only in a different section.

And to top it off, you preface it by labeling Florida and other areas as degenerate, apparently for, I don't know, removing graphic pornography books from school libraries. Maybe that's the kind of thing you want in your schools, but most sane and rational people don't. But please, continue showing that you have absolutely zero clue what you are talking about. It's helpful to know whose opinions can be immediately discarded.[/

Pornographic is a joke. They are jumping through their skin to protect their radicalized right perspective. The fact that you condone their actions speaks of your gullible, simpleton willingness to accept whatever some radicalized conservative is selling you. If the school board reversed its decision, it’s because of the national outrage not because of any level of understanding.
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[Hyde Park Flyer]

Gazoo hinted to something I certainly believe. I had the privilege of meeting the attorney who represented Brandenburg in the landmark Supreme Court free speech case. He was a super kind and sweet little Jewish guy who fought and won a battle to protect Brandenburg’s right to publicly utter disgusting and despicable racial tropes. He was a local KKK leader in Ohio. Brandenburg was a pig. But, his speech was absolutely protected. I am delighted that the pornography cases in Ohio (Cincinnati) protected speech that many find offensive. You can object to it. That’s fine. Don’t read a book that contains offensive passages. Don’t go to a rally with offensive language. That’s obviously fine. But, let the speech flow. The claimed pornography in books in school libraries is found to be pornographic by people that couldn’t identify genitalia if they were given a picture that said “genitalia” below the picture. They’re still fighting the battle against Henry Miller. They’re still ****ed about Maplethorpe (some of his exhibit was inspiring; personally, I didn’t enjoy a big chunk of it). They still want to stop sex ed from being taught in schools. Man. It’s frustrating. I don’t have a problem with GW being called the Colonials or a 2nd grade student reading about a family with 2 mommies.
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[Gazoo]

There was a debate on NPR the other day, which almost always means they invite someone from the left and the right and then refuse to let the person from the right say anything. But surprisingly, they actually allowed a real debate. The guy on the right was the lawyer from Florida.

The guy on the right made it extremely clear this is not about books where Sally has 2 mommies. Have you read the passages from some of these books? I have. They're quite disgusting. Not for being gay, but for being disgusting.

It's not that hard to have a reasonable conversation here.

Question 1: do you condone absolutely all material for absolutely all ages (meaning hard core porn on the elementary school library TV)?

Question 2: do you believe kids are capable of learning when guided in a healthy way?

If you said "no" and "yes" then all we're really debating is WHERE to draw the line. On this topic, the left likes to pretend the right wants the line drawn at See Spot Run; the right likes to pretend the left wants no line at all. Neither is true in my experience.

So let's have a reasonable conversation without using the word "banned".

[springborofan]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer . I don’t have a problem with GW being called the Colonials or a 2nd grade student reading about a family with 2 mommies. Posted via Mobile Device

If it were only reading about a family with two mommies it wouldn’t be as controversial. Sure, there are some puritans out there that haven’t moved beyond that.

I’m guessing you would call it Florida’s “Don’t say gay” bill. A complete farce.

I’m sure you are an educated man but my hunch is you are suffering from a little confirmation bias. My suggestion is for you to get out of your comfort zone and read every article in Real Clear Politics for 2 weeks. They attempt to provide both sides of every argument.

http://realcleapolitics.com/

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Originally Posted by springborofan If it were only reading about a family with two mommies it wouldn’t be as controversial. Sure, there are some puritans out there that haven’t moved beyond that. I’m guessing you would call it Florida’s “Don’t say gay” bill. A complete farce. I’m sure you are an educated man but my hunch is you are suffering from a little confirmation bias. My suggestion is for you to get out of your comfort zone and read every article in Real Clear Politics for 2 weeks. They attempt to provide both sides of every argument. http://realcleapolitics.com/

We all suffer from some degree of confirmation bias. It’s tough to challenge ourselves. One of the primary ways I fight that, whether consciously or subconsciously, is by surrounding myself with many people who don’t share my beliefs. We don’t always discuss areas of disagreement as that would be real strain on our friendships. Still, we discuss it. I am not totally opposed to the Florida law from an idealistic perspective. The concept of NOT talking about sexuality with kindergarten thru 3rd graders seems responsible and fine. The problem I have is that there will be other representations of family that continue the exclusionary affect. There is a tremendous amount of bias learned and repeated on the subconscious level. The carry over is on a societal and institutional level. Exposure to differences at an earlier age will make acceptance easier. I find the roadblocks to this to be quite troubling. Remember, Florida looked to go further with the law. They had to be forced to walk it back a bit. Look at the efforts to ban books and the visceral support for disallowing students access to books that offend people’s sense of traditional values. That matters. When the pendulum swings back, bad law tends to be made. Look at Ohio Senate Bill 83. It’s dangerous. It has to be opposed. There was a cogent plan set out to take over school boards by the radicalized right. They are trying to get the pendulum to swing wildly back. It’s terrifying.

Without fail, the person who points out confirmation bias claims to have an objective perspective and avoids bias. I did the same above by pointing out that I have many friends of different beliefs. Your snarky and demeaning suggestion that I’m educated but am drowning in confirmation bias is far from on point. I am very well educated. I’ve been fortunate to surround myself with people who have been surrounded by people of great influence. As anyone, I cannot be without bias (have you ever taken one of the tests revealing subconscious biases? It was actually shocking and a bit upsetting for me). I can make every effort to fight conscious bias, and I do. I do have an ever developing sense of justice. If someone doesn’t continue to develop and grow, you should be concerned.
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[FlyingArrow]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer Pornographic is a joke. They are jumping through their skin to protect their radicalized right perspective. The fact that you condone their actions speaks of your gullible, simpleton willingness to accept whatever some radicalized conservative is selling you. If the school board reversed its decision, it’s because of the national outrage not because of any level of understanding. Posted via Mobile Device

These links are simply parents reading books to school boards. The books were available in their schools, which is why they were reading them to the school boards, but the videos still require a NSFW warning. The illustrations from some books are not shown, but they are described. You can find the illustrations if you want to - I don't want to.

https://twitter.com/jennybethm/statu...60445270134784

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/sta...77199734120460

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6Xm4AX25tE&t=84s

Have you seen videos like this before?

Do you think those books belong in school libraries?

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan Congratulations for all of you for turning this into a OTG post. It probably should be moved.

Ditto. On with the basketball discussion. And follow the previous ideas forward on OTG.

[FlyingArrow]

Originally Posted by 88flyer All politics aside, it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue very easily. There had to be at least 10 better choices...

I think it's too long. They'll probably most commonly be called the Revs.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow These links are simply parents reading books to school boards. The books were available in their schools, which is why they were reading them to the school boards, but the videos still require a NSFW warning. The illustrations from some books are not shown, but they are described. You can find the illustrations if you want to - I don't want to. https://twitter.com/jennybethm/statu...60445270134784 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/sta...77199734120460 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6Xm4AX25tE&t=84s Have you seen videos like this before? Do you think those books belong in school libraries?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/30/books/book-ban-us-schools.html
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[TXFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow These links are simply parents reading books to school boards. The books were available in their schools, which is why they were reading them to the school boards, but the videos still require a NSFW warning. The illustrations from some books are not shown, but they are described. You can find the illustrations if you want to - I don't want to. https://twitter.com/jennybethm/statu...60445270134784 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/sta...77199734120460 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6Xm4AX25tE&t=84s Have you seen videos like this before? Do you think those books belong in school libraries?

The examples of graphic porn in books in some school libraries is extensive. Parents have been shut down for simply reading passages from the books as they were too graphic in nature. Add in the graphic illustrations. So he won't answer specifically about this, but instead, make vague generalizations about book bans, ignoring any evidence contradictory and also ignoring bans that occur in more progressive areas, of classic books such as To Kill a Mockingbird, Call of the Wild, Catcher in the Rye, etc.

He thinks he's the good guy. He is sadly mistaken. His prerogative, but there's a definite line that I think in most of these cases, these books absolutely should never have been there in the first place. Are there some books that are challenged and potentially removed that shouldn't be? I'm sure that occurs. Again, all of those books are available for purchase or possibly even loan from a public library.

[Viperstick]

Here's a little something from a book that's probably in many of your school districts' libraries (it's in ours here in deep red TN).





The book is "Gender Queer" and this is one of the tamer illustrations in the book. Is this appropriate for kids to be able to get out of the library without any kind of adult supervision?


What exactly is the point of this book? What is its educational value for the average student? Could there be a downside to this book and its messages? Are the taxpayers who fund public schools aware this is in their libraries? How do they feel about it?



This is not the worst of what's in school libraries either.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Dr6...973JdhEuk/view

[Viperstick]

This was removed from one of our high schools last year.


Someone please defend the value of this staying in a school library.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e43...cGV1owdLo/view

[Viperstick]

https://momsforlibertywc.org/books/

[FlyingArrow]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/30/books/book-ban-us-schools.html Posted via Mobile Device

You said that it was a joke to say that the books are pornographic. I gave links to show that they are.

I asked whether you had seen such evidence before. If you hadn't, that's an indictment of corporate media. Their preferred narrative is that conservatives want to ban books for no good reason. The content of these books contradicts the narrative, so they wouldn't report on it.

I asked whether you want these books in school libraries. If so, the next question would be which books and what ages? (The parents in those videos read from several different books.)

You didn't answer either question.

I'll try another question. Do you still think it's a joke that parents say that school libraries have pornographic material?

[jack72]

What is a joke is that these educators worry about controversial books, instead of focusing on how many kids are no where near level in reading and math. Do your job teachers and administrators and stop with the side-shows, until you do.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer We all suffer from some degree of confirmation bias. It’s tough to challenge ourselves. One of the primary ways I fight that, whether consciously or subconsciously, is by surrounding myself with many people who don’t share my beliefs. . . . I am very well educated. . . . As anyone, I cannot be without bias (have you ever taken one of the tests revealing subconscious biases? It was actually shocking and a bit upsetting for me). Posted via Mobile Device

I doubt HPF is still reading this, but, for someone "highly educated" and "surrounded by people who don't share your beliefs" you should already know that the bias tests, like oh-so-many highly publicized left-wing ideas, were debunked shortly after the first actual scientist took a look at them. They were statistically random.

What you experienced was, ironically, confirmation bias. If you had a smell test that was not highly skewed (or if you didn't have a sounding board to test your ineffective smell test), you would have stopped and asked yourself "am I really this biased? That doesn't seem right."

Because it's not.

Here's just about the most left-leaning article you're going to get on the topic. The actual scientific journals labeled it as utter B.S.


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017...r-problem.html