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Story coming shortly from Tom Archdeacon, who talked to Anthony Grant today, on three more players leaving Dayton basketball.

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Crosby, Pierce, and ???????

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Wow. Please please please please not Cunningham. I'd have to guess it is Kostas. No one else makes sense. Maybe a walk-on?
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Wow. Please please please please not Cunningham. I'd have to guess it is Kostas. No one else makes sense. Maybe a walk-on?
Cunningham really can't unless he has found a way to graduate. Only other option would be to turn pro or transfer down to D2.
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It's Kostas

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...xLwAks1UtQiBL/

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It's Kostas

http://https://www.daytondailynews.c...xLwAks1UtQiBL/
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Kostas already withdrew from school! WOW

Which to me means he has no plans to transfer anywhere. Most likely headed to the G-league or back to Greece for some pro team.

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It's Kostas

http://https://www.daytondailynews.c...xLwAks1UtQiBL/
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Not really a shocker all the way around. As long as that's it, let's move on.
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Have to hope Grant can pull a Rick Stansbury.

Western Kentucky only had one player return from last years team.
They beat Purdue early in the season, are rated 42 in Kenpom, and are 31st in RPI. They lost in their conference title game by one point and are currently headed to the NIT semis after beating BC, USC, and Ok St to get there.

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Kostas shocks me. I wonder if Grant told Kostas he’s not going into the NBA, and at that point he just decided to go back to Europe. Or if he was told he couldn’t train overseas again because of what happened last year?
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Kostas already withdrew from school! WOW

Which to me means he has no plans to transfer anywhere. Most likely headed to the G-league or back to Greece for some pro team.
Exactly. He would have lost a year of eligibility anyway. He’ll end up on some obscure Euro team because of his name.
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Exactly. He would have lost a year of eligibility anyway. He’ll end up on some obscure Euro team because of his name.
I could see him going to some place like the IMG Academy. His brother would pay the way or twist somebody's arm to take him.
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Exactly. He would have lost a year of eligibility anyway. He’ll end up on some obscure Euro team because of his name.
My guess is that he ends up on the Bucks G-league team.
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Kostas already withdrew from school! WOW
How does this work if he is transfering?

Does it mean he is going pro?

living off big brother?

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Kostas shocks me. I wonder if Grant told Kostas he’s not going into the NBA, and at that point he just decided to go back to Europe. Or if he was told he couldn’t train overseas again because of what happened last year?
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Or he and AG didn't get along
Or he didn't think UD was developing him into an NBA player
Or he's just going to live off the family fortune . . .

What's done is done. Good luck to everyone. Now we need to roll up our sleeves and get to work, it's only 233 days until next season.
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How does this work if he is transfering?

Does it mean he is going pro?

living off big brother?
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No surprises on any of these, or Matej or X. The only one that hurts some is Kostas, because in two years he could be pretty good, but that is the risk when you take a poor unmotivated student.

All of it is somewhat bad news, because it reminds us of how much this last season sucked, but from now on it will be optimism for the new guys.
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All 3 of them - pretty much as expected. No real surprises.
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Propsed NCAA rule

I believe a HS player should be held to his commitment to a school when there is a coaching change. The commitment should be viewed as being made to the school...not the coach who recruited him.

It could work like this. If there is a coaching change a kid is required to play for one year under the new coach. After one year the player can transfer to another school without penalty, i.e., does not have to sit for year before playing. In my opinion, kids would give the new coach a chance and many would choose not to transfer. Such an approach would be far less disruptive than the present system whereby an entire incoming class may be lost.

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It's Kostas

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...xLwAks1UtQiBL/
The perpetual rebuild. More and more it looks like AG is going to be a nightmare.
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Everyone who predicted back in 2016 that Kostas would be a 1-and-done was right.
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On balance I like it. X, John and Pierce are addition by subtraction. Kostas while big on "Potential" was short on performance. Would have preferred him to stay but his leaving is not a major blow.
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AG is going to need to pull a rabbit out of his hat to make next year palatable at all.
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You sir have no clue.
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The perpetual rebuild. More and more it looks like AG is going to be a nightmare.
Not sure how this is AG's fault. Kostas didn't like school, Crosby almost left last year, and Pierce walked out of practice with a bad attitude.
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“I tell guys this all the time when we are recruiting, ‘What we do is not for everybody,’” said Grant who took over the job vacated by Archie Miller last spring. “I tell them, ‘Here’s what we’re going to be about and here’s the way we’re going to do it.’ It doesn’t make you a bad person (to disagree.) It’s just we have to understand the commitment it takes, the sacrifice it takes to be able to accomplish the things we’re trying to accomplish ... without any guarantees.”
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The perpetual rebuild. More and more it looks like AG is going to be a nightmare.
To be fair, how many of these player were Grant's, but more important, who would have helped take us to the NCAA? Maybe one.
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Perpetual, he has been here one year.
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The perpetual rebuild. More and more it looks like AG is going to be a nightmare.

There are teams in Fairborn, or Norwood, who could use your kind of support
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Not sure how this is AG's fault. Kostas didn't like school, Crosby almost left last year, and Pierce walked out of practice with a bad attitude.
I dont' give two hoots about Crosby or Pierce. But here our biggest signing in how long gives AG a chance and AG with his desire to drive home points rather than win runs him off. I knew that 2nd VCU game when he wasn't used to defend against Justin Tillman there was problems. And then he shows what he could do against Tillman in the tournament. And again, here comes the real rebuild, it wasn't necessary but AG made it so.
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Williams, Svoboda, Crosby, Pierce - no problem with any of them leaving.

Kostas on the other hand, don't see how to spin this as anything positive for UD. At the end of the season he was having a good positive impact on UD's performance, with lots of upside.

That said, if players are going to leave, it's good to have all of them do it at once and get it over with.
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We still have Crutcher, Davis and Cohill at guard. Landers, Mikesell, Matos at the wing/small forward, and Cunningham and Toppin down low. If a couple of those new players are as good as advertised that's a pretty good 8-man nucleus. Let's hope they can get a couple more. I hate to see Kostas leave, but it was said a couple of weeks ago that he didn't like school.
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We have essentially 8 roster spots filled, so he has a real opportunity to remake this roster to his liking, depending on who he can pull.

Time for that AG recruiting magic to kick in. Lots of options: A solid grad transfer or two, another solid freshman or two, maybe a straight up old-fashioned transfer or two, pocket a scholarship for '19. The possibilities are endless.

Considering our starting 5 plus Kostas were the only people with any talent playing by end of year, this is not a bad thing IMO. Roster needs an influx of talent that is sold on AG badly.
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I dont' give two hoots about Crosby or Pierce. But here our biggest signing in how long gives AG a chance and AG with his desire to drive home points rather than win runs him off. I knew that 2nd VCU game when he wasn't used to defend against Justin Tillman there was problems. And then he shows what he could do against Tillman in the tournament. And again, here comes the real rebuild, it wasn't necessary but AG made it so.
Yes, I agree. Why should the head coach build for the future? He ought to do whatever the redshirt freshman wants. Especially if that redshirt freshman. Is last on the team in +/- for the season.
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My guess is that he ends up on the Bucks G-league team.
I don't see it. He doesn't have the talent to play at that level now and I don't see him making the sacrifices and putting in the work needed to get to that level.
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Is this the program record for most outbound transfers in one year?

I can not remember this many outbound transfers in one year, at least not recently.

This sort of thing has happened at other schools. Utah, SMU, and Kentucky come to mind.

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To be fair, how many of these player were Grant's, but more important, who would have helped take us to the NCAA? Maybe one.
Yep, one, the shotblocking athletic big man who has the most NBA potential. This is getting ridiculous. Any one with eyes saw that if we were going to get back to the dance anytime soon, it was going to take Kostas to continue to reach his potential. This team is a mess.
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It was obvious as I stated way back with all the promos that the family had other plans than Dayton. He'll try G first then euro. Tea leaves and promos don't lie.

Now we have 4 ships to fill and deadwood trimmed from the roster. Deadwood in that they didn't fit in as a flyer or committed to the program.

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I dont' give two hoots about Crosby or Pierce. But here our biggest signing in how long gives AG a chance and AG with his desire to drive home points rather than win runs him off. I knew that 2nd VCU game when he wasn't used to defend against Justin Tillman there was problems. And then he shows what he could do against Tillman in the tournament. And again, here comes the real rebuild, it wasn't necessary but AG made it so.
Not sure how AG ran Kostas off. It was stated on this board a couple weeks ago from a good source that Kostas simply didn't like school. He may end up in Europe.
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Yep, one, the shotblocking athletic big man who has the most NBA potential. This is getting ridiculous. Any one with eyes saw that if we were going to get back to the dance anytime soon, it was going to take Kostas to continue to reach his potential. This team is a mess.
You are either being sarcastic or have no clue. Kostas was a below average A-10 player who frankly didn’t understand positioning on the court and is extremely weak. He couldn’t shoot outside of 4’ from the basket. Yes, he had some upside if he gained 30-40 pounds and improved his shooting, but as it stands this is no great loss. We will be improved next year.
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We will have a total of 5 players leaving. I have it confirmed from an official.
Yes one graduating 2 transfer and 2 seeking other routes
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Is this the program record for most outbound transfers in one year?

I can not remember this many outbound transfers in one year, at least not recently.

This sort of thing has happened at other schools. Utah, SMU, and Kentucky come to mind.
Google what is happening at Pitt's basketball program. Abandon ship.
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When 4 players have attitude problems and 5 decide it's best not to return, it's most likely the coach.
..most likely the previous coach*.
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..most likely the previous coach.
The previous coach who had only 2 players voluntarily leave the program in 6 years? And none of them Freshman? And one of them saw the writing on the wall that he was going to get demoted to 2nd string because of Scoochie and had to take a season off anyway due to knee problems. Hardly likely.
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When 4 players have attitude problems and 5 decide it's best not to return, it's most likely the coach.
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Yes one graduating 2 transfer and 2 seeking other routes
Makes 6 if you're including DD. Crosby, Pierce, Svoboda, XW, Kostas and Baby D.
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With Kostas, Pierce and Williams now gone, and keeping in mind the infamous Pareto Principle (20% of players take 80% of your time) maybe Grant and staff can spend more of their time with players who want to get improve and win.
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I have it on good authority that the reason for Kostas leaving was directly related to reading smitty10 posts, not even the players could handle it.
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AM inherited a better roster and this was his first coaching gig, hence the lack of big exodus. But he lost Alex, Robinson,Scott, Bass (I believe), etc.

AG very quickly saw time for a refresh, the benefit of experience.
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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin View Post
AM inherited a better roster and this was his first coaching gig, hence the lack of big exodus. But he lost Alex, Robinson,Scott, Bass (I believe), etc.

AG very quickly saw time for a refresh, the benefit of experience.
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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin View Post
AM inherited a better roster and this was his first coaching gig, hence the lack of big exodus. But he lost Alex, Robinson,Scott, Bass (I believe), etc.

AG very quickly saw time for a refresh, the benefit of experience.
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He lost Bass to injury. Scott and Robinson didn't leave voluntarily. Only Price and Gavs left the program early on their own.
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Is this the program record for most outbound transfers in one year?

I can not remember this many outbound transfers in one year, at least not recently.

This sort of thing has happened at other schools. Utah, SMU, and Kentucky come to mind.
The landscape has changed. It's a monkey-see-monkey-do world of (perceived) immediate gratification.

As others have stated, all are dead wood in AG's program. Exception being Kostas, and even with him no guarantees. The future is bright and it's not that far off!

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5 transfers is the number I expected. Thought it could be 4. Thought it could be 6. Keeping Cunningham and re-doing the roster is the goal here. Toppin hopefully replaces some of Kostas’ unique skill set.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-1-2-none.html

Interesting article, thought this was a good place to put it.

The Big East's plan calls for the elimination of the NBA's one-and-done rule, which prohibits its teams from drafting players until they are at least 19 or a year removed from high school.

'Two-or-none' would be an NCAA policy requiring basketball players who decide to go to college to commit for at least two seasons. Meanwhile, high school players who declare for the NBA draft would forfeit future college eligibility.
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“I tell guys this all the time when we are recruiting, ‘What we do is not for everybody,’” said Grant who took over the job vacated by Archie Miller last spring. “I tell them, ‘Here’s what we’re going to be about and here’s the way we’re going to do it.’ It doesn’t make you a bad person (to disagree.) It’s just we have to understand the commitment it takes, the sacrifice it takes to be able to accomplish the things we’re trying to accomplish ... without any guarantees.”
I get that Coaches need to have my way or the highway approach. There is honesty in this, and I respect that. But does anyone else have an issue with this statement.

Kostas came anyway after being told some version of this right? But now he is leaving because he has seen and experienced Grant and his approach.

My point is there is being tough and hard and disciplined on kids. But with 19 years olds, you need to tough - but not so in your face about it.

We just lost a potential key cog. I surely hope AG knows what he is doing and the respect to keep guys here. Not blaming him, but I do have to shrug my shoulders and wonder about his approach.


Edit: I posted before reading the "professional opp" post. So that's a slightly different issue. But I also beleive KA needs 1 or 2 years in college. But hey, everyone has an opinion ~

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With AG you definitely know who is running the asylum. Not so sure with some coaches.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-1-2-none.html

Interesting article, thought this was a good place to put it.

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'Two-or-none' would be an NCAA policy requiring basketball players who decide to go to college to commit for at least two seasons. Meanwhile, high school players who declare for the NBA draft would forfeit future college eligibility.
Nice suggestion by the BE but the NBA controls things. Can't force a player to stay in college for any length of time.
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And Khari Price left voluntarily. And Matt D transferred as well.

With the logic of not counting Bass, Robinson, and Scoff; let's not count Kostas and Svoboda as going pro.

Apples to apples, Archie lost 6 in first 3 years (Matt D, Robinson, Scott, Bass, Gavs, and Price).. AG has lost 6 first 2 years (Miller, X, Crosby, Pierce, Kostas, and Svoboda). IMHO, quicker execution because of AG's experience.
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I get that Coaches need to have my way or the highway approach. There is honesty in this, and I respect that. But does anyone else have an issue with this statement.

Kostas came anyway after being told some version of this right? But now he is leaving because he has seen and experienced Grant and his approach.
Or maybe he is leaving because he simply didn't like school (as stated by a teammate) and wants to pursue a pro career.
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AM inherited a better roster and this was his first coaching gig, hence the lack of big exodus. But he lost Alex, Robinson,Scott, Bass (I believe), etc.

AG very quickly saw time for a refresh, the benefit of experience.
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I am going out on a limb here and saying next year's team will exceed expectations.
We will see.

A lot of people, prior to these departures, were talking at least NIT next year. I hope that these departures are not used as excuses for not meeting expectations next year, since many posters are considering these departures to be addition by subtraction.

I think people have to pick a side on this.
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Rebuilding Year?

How can a year when 4 of the starters for almost the entire year this year are returning and the fifth projected starter for next year is a junior coming off a red shirt but who had started a number of games in the prior year be projected as a rebuilding year?

What it is, Is an opportunity to build a bench composed of players the AG believes he can mold into better players than the current projected starters or at least give significant relief to the starters. Given Toppin has been with the program for one year and Cohill is coming in so highly rated AG already has a good start to a Bench. That's a front court and a back court sub. The subs 8 and above should not be considered the saviors of the program, they just need to hold their own should one of the starters or top two subs need a rest. I would expect this to be very seldom if the starters are good. It would or at least should take a special recruit to break into the top seven. They would use next year to learn the AG System and be ready to start in a year or two.
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Every year hope springs eternal. I think the 8 we have are a good core. We need to fill those other 5 with good players. Any transfer with immediate eligibility who is looking for significant playing time will likely see Dayton as a good opportunity. I expect there are one or two other unsigned incoming freshman that could be had as well. Since the roster now shakes up as follows:

Crutcher
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Matos

Height is a need, though not necessarily huge height. Anything in the 6'9" range will do, especially if there is already some muscle there. Best bet there is either juco or grad xfer for immediate playing time. Other transfers that have to sit out a year would be good but really need some immediate help in that area. Cunningham would be more effective guarding a 4 than a 5.

Definitely need another PG. Would love it if Alvarez comes here, but there are plenty of xfers available too. We have SG covered okay.

This isn't really that far off expectations on transfers, although I did hope KA would stay and continue to improve. Hopefully we start hearing some commitments soon.
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Kostas was gone. Like Svoboda he doesn't need the degree. Go concentrate full time on basketball.

Kostas was not going to stay no matter who was coach, now he can play basketball and doesn't have to mess with school.
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The perpetual rebuild. More and more it looks like AG is going to be a nightmare.
It may look that way to you, but I think it actually puts him head having scholarships to deal. When Steve Fisher took over at San Diego State, he cleaned house. And then begin to build up the right way. SDSU has been a good program ever since. This Mass Exodus puts him ahead of the game in my view.
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Or maybe he is leaving because he simply didn't like school (as stated by a teammate) and wants to pursue a pro career.
or maybe he is leaving because he simply didn't like the coach ?

players who love coaches stay and play, players that hate coaches run and quit, facts don't lie, 5 players have now left, you cannot sit there and type and say AG being the coach did not play a part in this
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When 4 players have attitude problems and 5 decide it's best not to return, it's most likely the coach.
As in the coach that recruited them????
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Kostas was gone. Like Svoboda he doesn't need the degree. Go concentrate full time on basketball.

Kostas was not going to stay no matter who was coach, now he can play basketball and doesn't have to mess with school.
Kostas didn't come here to play school. He came here to play basketball.
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Originally Posted by Sea Bass View Post
Kostas was gone. Like Svoboda he doesn't need the degree. Go concentrate full time on basketball.

Kostas was not going to stay no matter who was coach, now he can play basketball and doesn't have to mess with school.
You took my post off my keyboard. Costas has a wildly successful brother who never set foot on a campus. I posted several days ago that I hoped he had a breakout year because we were only going to get one year with him.
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Originally Posted by udscott View Post
or maybe he is leaving because he simply didn't like the coach ?

players who love coaches stay and play, players that hate coaches run and quit, facts don't lie, 5 players have now left, you cannot sit there and type and say AG being the coach did not play a part in this
How does John Calipari keep getting recruits since his players obviously hate him as many as he has that choose to go pro every year??
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I think I'll go check out Keaney Blue. Things are a little boring around here.
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Per Woj/Johnathan Givony, Kostas is declaring for the draft to gauge his status before deciding on his next step.
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
We will see.

A lot of people, prior to these departures, were talking at least NIT next year. I hope that these departures are not used as excuses for not meeting expectations next year, since many posters are considering these departures to be addition by subtraction.

I think people have to pick a side on this.
Whether you want people to pick a side or not, barring something like 4-26 and even more player departures or some unforeseen event, AG is not getting fired for not making the NIT next year.

Will we on the boards be happy with that? That's another question. But, no, as frustrating as it will be to you, people don't have to pick a side. People are allowed to change their minds as the season unfolds. People don't have to be held to what they think 8 months before the season begins without even knowing the full roster makeup.
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Originally Posted by udscott View Post
or maybe he is leaving because he simply didn't like the coach ?

players who love coaches stay and play, players that hate coaches run and quit, facts don't lie, 5 players have now left, you cannot sit there and type and say AG being the coach did not play a part in this
I think you're putting the cart before the horse. These players that have left simply didn't like the plan that Anthony related to them. Anthony had enough time with his staff to evaluate all the players and where they might take the program. It pretty much follows that they did not agree with his assessment and didn't much care for him on the way out the door.
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Originally Posted by udscott View Post
or maybe he is leaving because he simply didn't like the coach ?

players who love coaches stay and play, players that hate coaches run and quit, facts don't lie, 5 players have now left, you cannot sit there and type and say AG being the coach did not play a part in this
If Kostas is leaving because he did not like the coach... then good (buy in or get out).

If Kostas is leaving because he does not like college (and frankly doesn't need it)... then good luck - hope you end up having a professional career some day.
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To be fair, how many of these player were Grant's, but more important, who would have helped take us to the NCAA? Maybe one.
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My son is friends with Joey Gruden and he was told a few weeks ago that KA hated going to school and was probably going to leave. I posted this in PP about 2 weeks ago and unfortunately it was true. If he liked going to school and wanted to transfer then why did he drop his classes and take off?
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Rebuilding Year?

How can a year when 4 of the starters for almost the entire year this year are returning and the fifth projected starter for next year is a junior coming off a red shirt but who had started a number of games in the prior year be projected as a rebuilding year?
Fair enough, next year is not a rebuilding year. Care to offer a prediction for how next year's team does?
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Fair enough, next year is not a rebuilding year. Care to offer a prediction for how next year's team does?
Before we have any clue who is filling the open spots? That would be really dumb. Things in life are not all black and white, either/or, 100% or 0%. It would be useful to keep that in mind.
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When 4 players have attitude problems and 5 decide it's best not to return, it's most likely the coach.
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If Kostas dropped out of school that's an APR hit. If Matej did the same thing we're starting to get the danger zone depending on what the other guys do
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My son is friends with Joey Gruden and he was told a few weeks ago that KA hated going to school and was probably going to leave. I posted this in PP about 2 weeks ago and unfortunately it was true. If he liked going to school and wanted to transfer then why did he drop his classes and take off?
And I'll add...what if he were convinced to stay and because he hated school, decided to do the "Kentucky" version of study and was declared ineligible next year? Wouldn't you rather have a solid student athlete with at least a 0 +/-?
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You just can't satisfy some people . They want to upgrade, we don't have good players, then when players leave, it's all the coaches fault and if we had a good coach they would stay. I don't know how some of you live day to day. The glass is apparently empty no matter what happens.
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If Kostas dropped out of school that's an APR hit. If Matej did the same thing we're starting to get the danger zone depending on what the other guys do
How many before we have an APR problem?
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If Anthony Grant is a good coach then this is nothing to worry about.

Rick Stansbury as mentioned earlier at Western Kentucky landed impact grad transfers from Kansas and Virginia

Kermit Davis got a grad transfer from Bama who became the C-USA player of the year.

Chris Jans got a grad transfer Chris Lofton was the runner up for WAC player of the year at New Mexico State in his first year.

Joe Pasternack at UC-Santa Barbara lead the biggest turnaround in college basketball this year with two grad transfers

Anthony Grant knew this was coming. If he's a good coach, this will be fixed quickly. Plenty of other programs far worse than Dayton have done it
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How many before we have an APR problem?
depends on where are on the past but 3 guys in a year is bad. Kostas is one, Matej could be 2
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He lost Bass to injury. Scott and Robinson didn't leave voluntarily. Only Price and Gavs left the program early on their own.
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