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Nice in-depth article on KA.



http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/c...aft_night_call:


The next Antetokounmpo: Kostas awaits his draft-night call
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42 percent of the players in the NBA this season were second round picks or undrafted.

I understand your point, but: 100% of players who made catastrophically poor decisions continue to be outside the NBA for their entire careers.
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42 percent of the players in the NBA this season were second round picks or undrafted.
You can spin this the other way too. Piecing together a few different data sources, for this years draft I found:

77 Underclassmen declared (with an agent)
11 International Players
84 "Notable" seniors. Obviously there are a lot more than 84, but Draft Express listed the guys they felt were relevant to the draft discussion.

Meaning that 142 of the 172 draft eligible players will be 2nd round or undrafted.

That would mean that 82% of the eligble players make up 42% of the league. Flipped the other way, 18% of the players (1st round picks) make up 58 % of the league.
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I understand your point, but: 100% of players who made catastrophically poor decisions continue to be outside the NBA for their entire careers.
I'm sure that's correct. I also do not think Kostas is one of those that made a catastrophically poor decision.
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Wow. All this discussion about the Kostas and the NBA draft. I may actually watch it this year.......Nah.
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Originally Posted by MNFats View Post
You can spin this the other way too. Piecing together a few different data sources, for this years draft I found:

77 Underclassmen declared (with an agent)
11 International Players
84 "Notable" seniors. Obviously there are a lot more than 84, but Draft Express listed the guys they felt were relevant to the draft discussion.

Meaning that 142 of the 172 draft eligible players will be 2nd round or undrafted.

That would mean that 82% of the eligble players make up 42% of the league. Flipped the other way, 18% of the players (1st round picks) make up 58 % of the league.

I love facts.
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ESPN Analytics

Underrated prospects according to the ESPN Analytics model.

De'Anthony Melton | G | USC

Keita Bates-Diop | PF | Ohio State

Kostas Antetokounmpo | SF | Dayton

Overrated by the model:

Lonnie Walker IV | G | Miami

Elie Okobo | PG | France

Aaron Holiday | PG | UCLA
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Bleacher Report updated theirs. Kostas to Charlotte at 55

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-begin#slide15
Charlotte just announced they will trade Dwight Howard to the Nets for a player and picks.

THEY ACQUIRED THE 45TH PICK WHICH GIVES THEM TWO SECOND ROUND PICKS TONIGHT----45 AND 55.

Hmmmmm.
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Probably dumped Howard and his double double average for the year in the NBA to get our prima dona and his career 58 fg's. He's well rested.
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Charlotte just traded a head case for a #45 pick which makes their #55 pick a virtual throw-away. It's a perfect storm to possibly pick Kostas which will make your day, along with many others.
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Charlotte just traded a head case for a #45 pick which makes their #55 pick a virtual throw-away. It's a perfect storm to possibly pick Kostas which will make your day, along with many others.
So, are you upgrading your previous 50/50 odds? What kind of odds are you giving this now?
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Interesting take from Matt Norlander's 2 round mock released this afternoon:


57: Thunder


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At this point, I can't see him falling out of the second round. Reports have him testing well, so much to the point that he shut down his workouts. That probably means his camp thinks a team is picking him no matter what.
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So, are you upgrading your previous 50/50 odds? What kind of odds are you giving this now?
If I was a betting man, I would say 70-30 he gets picked.
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Good (meaning accurate) comments from Kane and Cathrall on Kostas.

From what I have heard school just wasn't "his thing" and there are probably a number of reasons for that. One might be that the educational system in Greece is/was the lowest rated in Europe (according to sources I found when he was redshirted).Then there is the language barrier, sometimes you don't like something at which you aren't good or at least adequate.
From the quotes (in another article) by a "former staffer, we now know that Archie brought him here on a 2/3 year plan and that is all the time Kostas planned on staying. There was never an intention of getting a degree. Nor did Kostas grow up watching college basketball and dream of playing in the NCAA tournament.

He must not have burned all his bridges at Dayton or he wouldn't have been here last week working the basketball camp.
I hope his name is called tonight (I think it will be) and hope he makes it.

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Kostas was picked 60th by Philadelphia Sixers. The last pick in the draft.
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Kostas was picked 60th by Philadelphia Sixers. The last pick in the draft.
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The Dallas Mavericks got the rights to the pick so he is headed to Texas to play with Luka Doncic and Dirk. This is nothing but a positive for UD. Being the last pick of the draft is actually kind of fun; may end up being discussed a little more than if he was the 55th pick.

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Dallas News: Mavs select Giannis' brother Kostas Antetokounmpo with final pick in NBA draft

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dal...pick-nba-draft

How would you grade the Mavs' picking Kostas Antetokounmpo with the 60th pick in the draft?
A 42.8% (113 votes)


B 24.24% (64 votes)


C 16.67% (44 votes)


D 8.33% (22 votes)


F 7.95% (21 votes)



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Close to home! Only a 2.5 drive for me to see Kostas if he gets some playing time! Super excited, congrats Kostas!
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" . . . but what you're hoping for . . ."

" . . . if he puts it all together, who knows what could happen."
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Close to home! Only a 2.5 drive for me to see Kostas if he gets some playing time! Super excited, congrats Kostas!

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With really no more promise than Devin Searcy, Kostas has the name and the pedigree to make scouts look twice and think about what's possible. All things being equal Kostas would have no more chance at an NBA camp than Devin. But that is not the case.

I wouldn't put money on it either way. It will be interesting. I could see the Mavericks or Sacramento taking a chance in the second round because they have a history of making some of the worst picks in the league.
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It sure looks good seeing that Dayton jersey on Kostas. Especially on the Mavs website.

https://www.mavs.com/mavericks-acqui...antetokounmpo/

Kostas will likely spend his development days with the Mavs G-League team, the Frisco, Texas, Legends.

The Legends play a short 20 minutes from my home. If he is getting minutes (without fouling out since they have 6 fouls/game lol) I'll be at a lot of their games with my Flyer garb on.

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Since I live in the D/FW area, I might have to go see a Mavs pre-season game if he's still on the roster.
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Kostas did in fact sign a two way contract with the Mavs per Marc Stein.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSteinL...27998232715264

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I've heard the term many times. But not exactly certain what it means.

What is a two way contract?
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I've heard the term many times. But not exactly certain what it means.

What is a two way contract?
From the DDN article:

"The two-way contracts came to the NBA last season. Charles Cooke signed one a year ago with the New Orleans Pelicans. Teams can keep two two-way players on the roster. The contracts allow them to split time between the NBA and the G-League."
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I've heard the term many times. But not exactly certain what it means.

What is a two way contract?
This article is from last year but has a good explanation: https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/7/18/15985262/nba-two-way-contract-2017-summer-league-agents-worried-about-them

Here are the specific details for the new two-way contract:

They will act as a 16th and 17th roster spot for NBA teams beginning next season (2017-18).
The player can spend up to 45 days with the NBA team that signs him, although no time is guaranteed.
The rest of the playerís contract must be spent in the G-League, either for the teamís affiliate or anotherís if the team he signs with doesnít have a G-League affiliate yet. For the 2017-18 season, the G-League will represent 26 of the NBAís 30 teams.
The playerís pay comes on a tiered salary system, which can last one or two seasons. While in the G-League, the player will make $75,000. Itís a significant increase from the current pay structure for G-Leaguers, who cannot make more than $26,000 with a one-way G-League deal.
When in the NBA, a player with a two-way contract will accrue a day of service and make money consistent with an NBA rookie minimum, which is about $816,000 next season. If a player spends 45 days in the NBA, he could make around $204,000.
In total, a two-way player who spends the maximum amount of time in the NBA would make $279,000.
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Not bad for Kostas considering his output at Dayton. Just goes to show you how "potential" is rewarded in the NBA, not to mention the famous accomplished older brother...
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Kostas' contract!!

I'm amazed. No not because he got a real contract for two years, but because the kudos aren't rolling in. Not since Hillary have so many fans been wrong (admittedly a very small minority).

There is a new bird on the endangered list world-wide---the CROW. .

Next small group of Kostas detractors to fall will be in this class:

"Mark my words, he will never play a minute of NBA basketball". I paraphrase because I didn't bother to look it up. (my guess is maddog07).
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Not bad for Kostas considering his output at Dayton. Just goes to show you how "potential" is rewarded in the NBA, not to mention the famous accomplished older brother...
What does he have to accomplish before you stop giving credit to his brother? His brother was not out on the court with him during the Summer League...
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I don't know that this is all that hard to understand. He didn't like college, just wanted to play basketball. Had a coaching change happen underneath him where he wasn't on the same page as his coach. Showed flashes of promise from time to time but was likely weighed down by everything else, including the death of his father. Now he's getting the opportunity to do what he really wants, without all of the baggage of college, and will just continue to improve if he works hard and especially when he puts on some more muscle.
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Congratulations to Kostas, I am truly happy for him.

The Antekounbros (the name they coined) were all in attendance last night for the final summer league game of the Mavs. They are a tight, tight group. I think it is rather exceptional they way they all pull for one another. https://twitter.com/DwainPrice/statu...29043478396928

Take a look at the Mav's twitter video they posted of Kostas welcoming him. The Dayton uniform and arena floor look really good to me. https://twitter.com/dallasmavs/statu...29926282891264

and SDF, get your Dayton gear ready to attend his games!
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I wish Kostas had played another year at Dayton ó I think he would have blossomed this year. Failing that, I wish heíd completed the academic year. But neither of those things happened. But he WAS at UD most of two years. He showed flashes of brilliance on the court, and he never said a bad word about his teammates, coaching staff or the university. He posted a gracious farewell to Flyer fans, and he even returned to help out at one of the summer camps. We could have done far worse than with this kid, who by the way still wears Dayton apparel. He was drafted, which shines a positive light on UD, and now he has a chance to make his NBA dream come true. Iíve never understood why anyone would cast him in such a negative light or take potshots at his character. Itís fine to be disappointed that his Flyer days are over, but itís also fine to take pride in a kid with NBA potential who will always be affiliated with the University of Dayton. In my book, thatís a good thing.
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Coach Grant mentioned that Kostas much better towards the end of the season. He was off campus in the summer, had an injury that took him out of most of preseason. Then his father died. He had to learn a new system, Grant vs Miller and then he had to figure out his role, talents etc.... That was a lot at once, especially for a young raw talent.

It was clear at first that his defense was awful, especially his footwork. He could not play man to man defense, but he could block shots. His outside shot, especially three point shooting needed a lot work. His ball handling was weak. He also had maturity issues such as against Duquesne. A lot of development work was needed, but he was long, quick and could jump. He had the potential

As the season progressed, he became a better player and showed that he could very good if he worked on his game and bought into team role. I was hoping he would stay one more year, but now academics won’t get in the way of NBA development. At UD, you must attend classes.
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Not bad for Kostas considering his output at Dayton. Just goes to show you how "potential" is rewarded in the NBA, not to mention the famous accomplished older brother...
Actually I firmly believe you are correct in terms of being the 60th pick. But we are on to step two now, and you get contracts based on performance unless you are Austin Rivers and your dad is the coach.

Mavs brass were impressed, calling Kostas a Rim Runner with outstanding athleticism. In other words can cover the whole NBA floor. Donnie Nelson and Rick Carlisle know a thing or two. Had to cut player "B" they like to sign Kostas, while hoping that player "B" makes it through waivers so they can get him back. You don't take that risk for player "A" because you know he won't make it through waivers.

Tells me Kostas would be a low 50 pick already if they were re-drafting today even if his name was Jones.
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I wish Kostas had played another year at Dayton ó I think he would have blossomed this year. Failing that, I wish heíd completed the academic year. But neither of those things happened. But he WAS at UD most of two years. He showed flashes of brilliance on the court, and he never said a bad word about his teammates, coaching staff or the university. He posted a gracious farewell to Flyer fans, and he even returned to help out at one of the summer camps. We could have done far worse than with this kid, who by the way still wears Dayton apparel. He was drafted, which shines a positive light on UD, and now he has a chance to make his NBA dream come true. Iíve never understood why anyone would cast him in such a negative light or take potshots at his character. Itís fine to be disappointed that his Flyer days are over, but itís also fine to take pride in a kid with NBA potential who will always be affiliated with the University of Dayton. In my book, thatís a good thing.
Well said. Based on many fan opinions, Kostas stole more lunch money than Buddy Revell. Ive never seen Kostas talk poorly about UD the school, the basketball program, the fans, or his experience in Dayton. He still wears UD apparel. So there seems to be zero animosity on his part about his two seasons here. He had to like it enough to tolerate it and sit out a season -- and a coaching change -- in order to play one full freshman season.

Fans are fickle. For the better part of two decades on UDPride the narrative was, "I pray for the day we start getting into the 'difficult position' of having our players leave early for the NBA. Its a problem I welcome with open arms." We finally get a player drafted in the NBA after playing just one frosh season (like Kentucky or Duke draftees) and the kid is a selfish, self-absorbed knob who used Dayton and didnt care about anybody other than himself. I wonder if Kentucky fans say the same thing about their 2-3 early entrant every year? Or show gratitude that the kids went to Kentucky and not a competitor school, and made the program better for having been there at all.

Are Arizona fans dragging Deandre Ayton over the coals for hanging around Tucson for just one season like a selfish d-bag?

Whether Kostas becomes Greek Freak 2.0 in the NBA, lives in the D League, or spends a career in Europe, UD is better for having had an NBA draftee -- the first since Negele Knight which is a lifetime ago. Its not about whether Kostas is the best player at UD since Negele to justify his draft card. The NBA doesnt draft on those metrics. If they did Scoochie and Sibert would have been drafted.

Sure we would have liked him to come back. We would have liked LaDontae Henton sticking around too. A kid's #1 priority is looking out for themselves. When times change, you change with the times and capitalize on your options. Coaches certainly do.
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And Speaking of Henton, where is this kid playing these days.

Is he overseas or in the G League?

Stud scorer at a pretty high level D1 school. It's rough "making it in N b of A!
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