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I don't think that how it works. Pretty sure you have to be invited to join.
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Well, this is awesome. Once we get in, WSU will finally want to play us....
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Dayton's basketball history with the Great Midwest Conference? Too many teams in the American Athletic that booted the Flyers from the GMC. Not a good move for Dayton IMHO.
The Flyers are just fine in the A-10 and need to seek consistent success to polish their brand.
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A-10 is fine until the affiliation hurts our recruiting. I can see us being the Gonzaga of the A-10, and getting into the NCAAT every year with a decent seed....and keeping the lion's share of tournament bucks as is the practice today in the A-10. CAG is bucking the trend on recruiting so I'm good....for now.
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Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse
Dayton's basketball history with the Great Midwest Conference? Too many teams in the American Athletic that booted the Flyers from the GMC. Not a good move for Dayton IMHO.
The Flyers are just fine in the A-10 and need to seek consistent success to polish their brand.
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Dayton just coming off the O'Brien years was not worthy of that conference and I think we all can agree with that. Dayton coming off the Miller years and 4+years into the Grant years would probably be a coup for that conference.
Not sure we can trust that conference though, who knows what will happen there the next time the musical chairs start up.
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Hummm...
It's not like we could trust the Big East as well.
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I would like to wave an American Conf invite in front of the BE prior to accepting. I think we will receive an invite to the BE in 3-5 years (if we don't implode), along with SLU and one other that's likely to be VCU. The BE broke the public school exception with UCONN.
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It's not like we could trust the Big East as well.
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I trust them much more though. I mean, several teams of American Conference have a history and thus dreams of being contenders in college football. Not so for the teams in the Big East.
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I would like to wave an American Conf invite in front of the BE prior to accepting. I think we will receive an invite to the BE in 3-5 years (if we don't implode), along with SLU and one other that's likely to be VCU. The BE broke the public school exception with UCONN.
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Butler is a public institution!!
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Butler is a public institution!!
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Butler is definitely a private school.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges...niversity-1788
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Butler was the exception for being only non-Catholic school at the time.
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I'd rather be in the American. If VCU or SLU gets picked off by the BE, then the A10 would be dealt a significant blow.
Yes, the American is at risk of being picked apart, but that is a risk we have to take IMO.
Plus, the bottom of the A10 is much weaker than the bottom of the American.
Good/decent A10, 5: Dayton, VCU, SLU, URI, and Davidson. Richmond, SBU, and SJU are really hit or miss.
Good/decent AAC, 9: Cincinnati, Wichita, SMU, Houston, Temple, UCF, Memphis, Tulsa, and South Florida, almost twice as many good/decent teams.
And of course, we have to be invited first.
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The chances of further BE expansion are as close to zero as is possible.
The conference shakeup/instability of recent years was driven entirely by football,...football money, that is. This issue has nothing whatsoever to do with the Big East.
UConn managed to get its way into the BE for a few unique reasons: 1) UConn was an original charter member of the BE; 2) Because of 1. UConn has a long historical connection with BE schools; 3) Eleven members is ideal for a BB conference allowing a 20 game home-and-home schedule with each member; 4.) UConn was not "invited" to join the BE. UConn begged, pleaded, groveled its was back into the BE because of items 1.-3. above and its willing to agree to an astronomical financial penalty if it ever left the BE for another conference.
Re 4., UConn is committed to FBS FB and the BE knows that UConn would leave the BE in a heartbeat in the very unlikely possibility that a Power 5 opportunity ever materialized. Knowing that, the BE said, OK, but if you ever do that you're going to pay, big time.
UConn was/is a unique situation: The deal is good for both UConn and the BE. But it's a special case.
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"Jesuit Mafia" is a more descriptive term.
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Originally Posted by UACFlyer
The chances of further BE expansion are as close to zero as is possible.
The conference shakeup/instability of recent years was driven entirely by football,...football money, that is. This issue has nothing whatsoever to do with the Big East.
UConn managed to get its way into the BE for a few unique reasons: 1) UConn was an original charter member of the BE; 2) Because of 1. UConn has a long historical connection with BE schools; 3) Eleven members is ideal for a BB conference allowing a 20 game home-and-home schedule with each member; 4.) UConn was not "invited" to join the BE. UConn begged, pleaded, groveled its was back into the BE because of items 1.-3. above and its willing to agree to an astronomical financial penalty if it ever left the BE for another conference.
Re 4., UConn is committed to FBS FB and the BE knows that UConn would leave the BE in a heartbeat in the very unlikely possibility that a Power 5 opportunity ever materialized. Knowing that, the BE said, OK, but if you ever do that you're going to pay, big time.
UConn was/is a unique situation: The deal is good for both UConn and the BE. But it's a special case.
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I think this is right. However IMHO there is one variable that I think just may trump all of this- additional programming content of a 14 team league if desired by the next tv deal.
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A very good point...
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I think this is right. However IMHO there is one variable that I think just may trump all of this- additional programming content of a 14 team league if desired by the next tv deal.
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Although I didn't mention it, I am aware that there is one thing that the BE Conference and its members have little or no control over. You have pointed that out. Their TV deal.
In the Power 5 conferences there is so much TV money from FB that each school gets something like $20-$30 million each yearThe BE conference BB deal is nothing like that. But, as I recall each school gets something like $3 million, or so annually. The BE schools do not have the expenses of the money-pit Power 5 FB schools. And the BE schools are smaller private schools so that $3 million is not chicken feed.
If Fox were to make demands either placing the $3 million in jeopardy or offering the opportunity to make the $3 million become $5 million unless/if the BE expanded to 14 teams as you suggest....probably that's the one thing that could upset the apple cart laid out in my post.
How likely is that? Who knows? But if events were to evolve such that the BE were to expand to 14 members, let's say, I think it would be a mistake to assume that UD membership would be a slam dunk. I would go no further than to say we'd have a chance. Being so close to Xavier and Butler is a disadvantage, in my opinion. ( And if 14 was the number UD would have a shot at only two additional spots. SLU would be a slam dunk for one slot in the Big (Jesuit) East Conference). All just opinion.
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I agree with you again that SLU would get any next bid because of geography / Jesuit. But I'd not rule us out next as due to X and Butler proximity- but I can see that X would want no part of us in the BE. Not sure if they have veto power. The only thing they have going for them over us is league affiliation-
not academics
not endowment
not facilities
not fan support
.... and now not coaching
We win a national title, or more likely go on a NCAAT tear, and X loses that veto.
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Originally Posted by FlyerBob
I think this is right. However IMHO there is one variable that I think just may trump all of this- additional programming content of a 14 team league if desired by the next tv deal.
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We will see, but I am not seeing it. I think Fox is taking a bath on this Big East TV deal, I thought the ratings were not as good as expected.
Edit: looks like I am very wrong about that. BE basketball on TV is due for a big pay increase.
https://bluenotes2.com/2019/08/17/ti...t-tv-contract/
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( And if 14 was the number UD would have a shot at only two additional spots. SLU would be a slam dunk for one slot in the Big (Jesuit) East Conference). All just opinion.
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14 teams would mean 3 more spots, correct? Not 2. There are 11 teams now.
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The math is, and I agree, SLU gets spot #12, leaving 2 remaining spots up for grab for us.
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I used to be very pro going to the American but I'm not sure anymore it would make any material difference.
If UD wins 14+ games in the A10 every year it's gonna be in a good place
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I used to be very pro going to the American but I'm not sure anymore it would make any material difference.
If UD wins 14+ games in the A10 every year it's gonna be in a good place
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Agree if our upward recruiting trend has legs in the A10. I have concerns.
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Agree if our upward recruiting trend has legs in the A10. I have concerns.
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The A10 is always going to be an impediment to recruiting. I think being in the American would help in that regards but I personally don't think it would be a huge difference
You're still gonna have the same issues when it's UD vs. a Big East school, Big 10, etc. for most guys
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I used to be very pro going to the American but I'm not sure anymore it would make any material difference.
If UD wins 14+ games in the A10 every year it's gonna be in a good place
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Yes...until UD has a marginal year and the bottom of the A10 hurts us per the usual.
The pod setup helps but only goes so far. I would rather the A10 drop the bottom and reduce the amount of teams, or try and steal desirable mids from other conferences to take their place.
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Originally Posted by FlyerBob
We win a national title, or more likely go on a NCAAT tear, and X loses that veto.
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From a very good inside source I have been told that X was told by the BE that their veto was only good for the initial expansion and they would have no veto for future expansion.
Of course this still doesn't mean we would be in their expansion plans but at least it shows that we have been and would be in future discussions because I think we are the only ones Xavier has vetoed.
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What is inevitable is that there will be expansion and much movement, with the potential for entire conferences to be left in the dust.
It would be great if the A10 somehow profited from this and either fortified or at least held firm where it is, but I think this is a pipe dream. Forget the AAC "expanding," what if they are "replacing" because the Big 12 itself has been raided and is now raiding them?
Eventually schools like VCU, SLU, Richmond and Dayton are going to be invited somewhere. I think many on this board consider Dayton leaving for the American in a vacuum, as if it would be just UD and therefore we can evaluate the move in terms of current A10 vs current AAC. If something like this plays out it won't be just UD, it will be UD plus some of the others above or a team that plays football like UMass. Would UD stay in an A10 without some or all of those schools? My guess is no, if we want to survive this.
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The only reasonable course is to remain nationally relevant in MBB by winning lots of NCAAT games. Let’s continue down the path by winning at least 1 this year. The right conference invite (likely BE) will come.
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This might have been mentioned already, but the Big 12 vetted 7 schools for possible expansion 3? years ago or so, none of the 7 improved the bottom line enough whereby things overall improved financially as in everybody in the B12 getting a bigger slice of the pie...it might have been: BYU, Boise, Cincinnati, UConn, Memphis, South Florida, Central Florida, and/or Houston
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This might have been mentioned already, but the Big 12 vetted 7 schools for possible expansion 3? years ago or so, none of the 7 improved the bottom line enough whereby things overall improved financially as in everybody in the B12 getting a bigger slice of the pie...it might have been: BYU, Boise, Cincinnati, UConn, Memphis, South Florida, Central Florida, and/or Houston
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I recall that also. But there was some talk (maybe by the fan base and not conference) of adding a BB only school for balance. But nothing since so let’s kick ass, win lots of NCAAT games and we’ll get the right invite or the A-10 will get their act together and trim the dead weight. Or maybe many of our’s pipe dream and start a new conference which is painful and difficult. But I love that idea. Imagine picking the best of serious BB schools and starting a new BE competitor. I can dream...
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Originally Posted by ud2
This might have been mentioned already, but the Big 12 vetted 7 schools for possible expansion 3? years ago or so, none of the 7 improved the bottom line enough whereby things overall improved financially as in everybody in the B12 getting a bigger slice of the pie...it might have been: BYU, Boise, Cincinnati, UConn, Memphis, South Florida, Central Florida, and/or Houston
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I believe you're correct on the teams
the push was was add 2 teams to go back to divisions and hold a conference title game after they did a study that not having one was hurting in them college football playoffs (2014 Baylor/TCU getting left out for OSU was a big example)
NCAA allowed them to hold a title game with 10 teams and they just ran with that. None of the AAC teams added enough to financials and the NCAA letting them have a title game made it moot
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Yes...until UD has a marginal year and the bottom of the A10 hurts us per the usual.
The pod setup helps but only goes so far. I would rather the A10 drop the bottom and reduce the amount of teams, or try and steal desirable mids from other conferences to take their place.
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One of the most shocking thing I've seen in sports or anything in life is the lack out of outrage over the 14-15 pairings for UD in conference play.
The league office literally almost scheduled UD out of a bid coming off an Elite 8. Fordham, La Salle, Duquesne, St. Louis (at their bottom) and the Bonnies
UD by the committee's own admission was the last team in that year and it AAC conference tourney went the other way it was a trip to the NIT
Those pairings were absolutely criminal and were eyelash away from torpedoing one of the best seasons in 40 years
There's no justification on earth that UD coming off an Elite 8 Dayton should have played Fordham home and home.
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One of the most shocking thing I've seen in sports or anything in life is the lack out of outrage over the 14-15 pairings for UD in conference play.
The league office literally almost scheduled UD out of a bid coming off an Elite 8. Fordham, La Salle, Duquesne, St. Louis (at their bottom) and the Bonnies
UD by the committee's own admission was the last team in that year and it AAC conference tourney went the other way it was a trip to the NIT
Those pairings were absolutely criminal and were eyelash away from torpedoing one of the best seasons in 40 years
There's no justification on earth that UD coming off an Elite 8 Dayton should have played Fordham home and home.
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Typically this isn't the case. We almost always have a more desirable pod than the bottom 2/3rd of the conference and it should be that way.
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Typically this isn't the case. We almost always have a more desirable pod than the bottom 2/3rd of the conference and it should be that way.
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played Fordham twice the Elite 8 year
It's more recent this hasn't been a disaster
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I used to be pro American. However, I’ve come to realize the American more than likely will not work for the following reasons. My order of these is intentional.
1. Peer institutions. look at the type of student Dayton is admitting*now *not 20 years ago or even 10 which was three years after I graduated. they don’t want to be around South Florida, Central Florida, SMU, East Carolina, etc. Villanova, Georgetown, Providence College, seton Hall, are all more similar.
2. Alumni outreach. this point has been discussed above, but you know the only thing really that gets a bunch of Dayton alums together in one place where the president can make appearances that people actually pay attention to? You got it! Basketball! do you know where those alumni live? Philadelphia, Boston, New York, DC. Do you know where they are not as prevalent? Wichita, Greenville North Carolina, Memphis, Tulsa. I will grant you that more opportunities may exist now in in Orlando, Houston, and of course Philadelphia.
3. Scheduling away games for non-revenue generating sports would be a nightmare.
4. Cincinnati was basically just told by the college football playoff committee, get into a power five conference, or you don’t get in. Despite winning all of its games and a conference championship, and quite frankly, the school 100 miles north on 71, not exactly playing exciting competition during the year, that’s school up 71 is playing Clemson on Friday. that means when the power five expands, not if, and yes it will happen at some point, Cincinnati which would be our new/old American main rival, will jump at the first opportunity. consequently, in terms of regional games of significance, we would be in the exact same place we are now. Which leads me to…
5. Television. Despite the American having a better contract with ESPN than the Atlantic 10, it’s not much better. Many of our conference games would still end up on ESPN plus. Going to the Big East would mean most of our games would at worst be on FS2 which can be picked up by DIRECTV/bars. See #2 above concerning alumni gatherings.
So, with all of these factors in mind, this leaves us with two options. First, become the Gonzaga of the east where conference affiliation doesn’t really matter. Second, wiggle our way into a stable basketball conference a.k.a. the Big East Which would satisfy many objections to going to the American by administrative brass listed above.
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I used to be pro American. However, I’ve come to realize the American more than likely will not work for the following reasons. My order of these is intentional.
1. Peer institutions. look at the type of student Dayton is admitting*now *not 20 years ago or even 10 which was three years after I graduated. they don’t want to be around South Florida, Central Florida, SMU, East Carolina, etc. Villanova, Georgetown, Providence College, seton Hall, are all more similar.
2. Alumni outreach. this point has been discussed above, but you know the only thing really that gets a bunch of Dayton alums together in one place where the president can make appearances that people actually pay attention to? You got it! Basketball! do you know where those alumni live? Philadelphia, Boston, New York, DC. Do you know where they are not as prevalent? Wichita, Greenville North Carolina, Memphis, Tulsa. I will grant you that more opportunities may exist now in in Orlando, Houston, and of course Philadelphia.
3. Scheduling away games for non-revenue generating sports would be a nightmare.
4. Cincinnati was basically just told by the college football playoff committee, get into a power five conference, or you don’t get in. Despite winning all of its games and a conference championship, and quite frankly, the school 100 miles north on 71, not exactly playing exciting competition during the year, that’s school up 71 is playing Clemson on Friday. that means when the power five expands, not if, and yes it will happen at some point, Cincinnati which would be our new/old American main rival, will jump at the first opportunity. consequently, in terms of regional games of significance, we would be in the exact same place we are now. Which leads me to…
5. Television. Despite the American having a better contract with ESPN than the Atlantic 10, it’s not much better. Many of our conference games would still end up on ESPN plus. Going to the Big East would mean most of our games would at worst be on FS2 which can be picked up by DIRECTV/bars. See #2 above concerning alumni gatherings.
So, with all of these factors in mind, this leaves us with two options. First, become the Gonzaga of the east where conference affiliation doesn’t really matter. Second, wiggle our way into a stable basketball conference a.k.a. the Big East Which would satisfy many objections to going to the American by administrative brass listed above.
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1) Is there really a difference between USF, UCF, and ECU with VCU, George Mason, UMASS, URI. The A10 has big state schools too. SMU is a private research university just like UD.
2) Playing in these different areas may bring more awareness to UD and expand our alumni outreach to these areas. May even help more with recruiting for all sports if we are playing more games in those areas and in warmer climates.
3) There is not really a big difference for scheduling for non-revenue or cost for non-revenue teams. All are mostly flights or long bus trips for all our games. Instead of 10-15 hour bus trips to the Northeast, it will be 10-15 hour bus trips to the South. It is 9-10 hour bus trips to the VA schools and DC Schools. 10-12 to Davidson, 10-12 to NYC, 8-10 to Philly, and 14-17 to UMass and URI. Many of the American schools are in that range and in much better climates. I believe SMU would be the farthest and they are in the 14-16 hour range.
4) May be true, but I do not see any of the Power 5 expanding in the near future due to the total uncertainty of things right now. Also, other than the Big12, there is really no obvious spots for UC to go. Big10 doesn't want UC, ACC would probably go about schools that more fit their foot print. Of the power 5 conferences the Big12 is in the worst position, it has long been rumored if there was another big realignment, Big10, SEC, and Pac12 would go after the Big12 schools.
5)True, many games may still end up on ESPN+ or ESPN3, but the money from the AAC deal is way more than the A10 deal. That is why their television deal is superior to the A10.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
1) Is there really a difference between USF, UCF, and ECU with VCU, George Mason, UMASS, URI. The A10 has big state schools too. SMU is a private research university just like UD.
2) Playing in these different areas may bring more awareness to UD and expand our alumni outreach to these areas. May even help more with recruiting for all sports if we are playing more games in those areas and in warmer climates.
3) There is not really a big difference for scheduling for non-revenue or cost for non-revenue teams. All are mostly flights or long bus trips for all our games. Instead of 10-15 hour bus trips to the Northeast, it will be 10-15 hour bus trips to the South. It is 9-10 hour bus trips to the VA schools and DC Schools. 10-12 to Davidson, 10-12 to NYC, 8-10 to Philly, and 14-17 to UMass and URI. Many of the American schools are in that range and in much better climates. I believe SMU would be the farthest and they are in the 14-16 hour range.
4) May be true, but I do not see any of the Power 5 expanding in the near future due to the total uncertainty of things right now. Also, other than the Big12, there is really no obvious spots for UC to go. Big10 doesn't want UC, ACC would probably go about schools that more fit their foot print. Of the power 5 conferences the Big12 is in the worst position, it has long been rumored if there was another big realignment, Big10, SEC, and Pac12 would go after the Big12 schools.
5)True, many games may still end up on ESPN+ or ESPN3, but the money from the AAC deal is way more than the A10 deal. That is why their television deal is superior to the A10.
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I should clarify. I put this together under the assumption we would switch conferences, thus why I did not include what would now be non-Peer institutions in the Atlantic 10. as for your other counter points, I feel like there would be longer bus rides, and I would need to look at the numbers again in terms of alumni in each city. How much more is the American contract? I will concede that point gladly.
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Interest from SDSU and Boise.
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Interest from SDSU and Boise.
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Wow, lots of far flung travel if those 2 get in. Would benefit the Boise football program. Did not realize Brady Hoke was back at SDSU, that is very unusual for that sort of repeat scenario to happen in such a short time frame. American might be trying to find a way into the college football playoff top 4 teams.
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Another reason not to join. I was high on this potential action a few years ago but it’s pretty obvious this is a football driven conference. If they take teams from Idaho and CA, it truly would be an American conference. Way too much distance between schools IMHO.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
1) Is there really a difference between USF, UCF, and ECU with VCU, George Mason, UMASS, URI. The A10 has big state schools too. SMU is a private research university just like UD.
2) Playing in these different areas may bring more awareness to UD and expand our alumni outreach to these areas. May even help more with recruiting for all sports if we are playing more games in those areas and in warmer climates.
3) There is not really a big difference for scheduling for non-revenue or cost for non-revenue teams. All are mostly flights or long bus trips for all our games. Instead of 10-15 hour bus trips to the Northeast, it will be 10-15 hour bus trips to the South. It is 9-10 hour bus trips to the VA schools and DC Schools. 10-12 to Davidson, 10-12 to NYC, 8-10 to Philly, and 14-17 to UMass and URI. Many of the American schools are in that range and in much better climates. I believe SMU would be the farthest and they are in the 14-16 hour range.
4) May be true, but I do not see any of the Power 5 expanding in the near future due to the total uncertainty of things right now. Also, other than the Big12, there is really no obvious spots for UC to go. Big10 doesn't want UC, ACC would probably go about schools that more fit their foot print. Of the power 5 conferences the Big12 is in the worst position, it has long been rumored if there was another big realignment, Big10, SEC, and Pac12 would go after the Big12 schools.
5)True, many games may still end up on ESPN+ or ESPN3, but the money from the AAC deal is way more than the A10 deal. That is why their television deal is superior to the A10.
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For all of these reasons I prefer we were able to get in the AAC. Travel is similar,competition better. Fewer or less worse rpi bottom feeders.
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How Many Catholic Schools are in the AAC?
This will be an issue. Dayton ran with that bunch in the 80's and it was a disaster. Character and trust mean something even in 2021.
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Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse
This will be an issue. Dayton ran with that bunch in the 80's and it was a disaster. Character and trust mean something even in 2021.
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I wouldn’t use character and trust in the same sentence with X-avier. I’m not sure Catholicism has anything to do with preferred league affiliation.
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I don't think that Dayton wants to be in a conference where football is more important than basketball. That would rule out the AAC. Teams in that league would jump through hoops (no pun intended) to move up in conference affiliation to a Power 5 conference.......Cincinnati comes to mind. From what I know there are two leagues that are basketball priority leagues. They are the Big East and the A-10. Personally I think that the ship has sailed, as far as the near future, concerning the Big East. That leaves the A-10. Like it or not. UD is not going anywhere. All we can do is win in the A-10. We don't have to go 29-2 like last year but we can't lose to Fordham and LaSalle either. We have to somewhat dominate the A-10. We have to make continual participation in the NCAA tournament a priority. I can't see an invite to the Big East in the near future. Bottom line we are in the A-10 and that's where we will be unless things drastically change.
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I have said it before and Dayton is right where it needs to be.
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As long as we don't lose Sullivan or Grant, I'm a happy camper. But wouldn't miss a chance to get down to fewer teams by losing those teams with no plans to upgrade their product.
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As long as we don't lose Sullivan or Grant, I'm a happy camper. But wouldn't miss a chance to get down to fewer teams by losing those teams with no plans to upgrade their product.
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Yea, if two of those bottom feeders were gone this year we would only have 1 loss
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My fear. XYZ conference decides to expand by say 3 or 4 teams.
VCU, St. Louis, Rhode Island, and a team to be named later all leave the A-10.
Is everyone still happy UD is in what is left of the A-10?
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IF that happens that changes everything.
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My fear. XYZ conference decides to expand by say 3 or 4 teams.
VCU, St. Louis, Rhode Island, and a team to be named later all leave the A-10.
Is everyone still happy UD is in what is left of the A-10?
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Since none of those schools are FB schools I see no way this ever happens and UD is left out.
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Dayton by far would be the lead team in this scenario, then St.Louis on down....
We're perfect where we are at....keep winning. Stronger than Gonzaga's conference. Stay the course.
Fully agree with those those mentioning Mikesell and Trey on the other threads being missed. Our team is young, incoming class is insane. Future is beyond bright.
This year will be long-Sing a song, Buy a boat, Drink a beer, Make a friend, ..get along
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I don’t know that dayton is the lead school. SLU has the media market. VCU is larger and east coast. There are only two leagues to move to and Dayton is already close to a team in both leagues with Cincinnati so close
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Split the A10 into two divisions, the best teams in the A10 red and the worst teams in the A10 blue. Play home and home against your division and a limited number, 3 or 4, against the other division. At the end of each season the bottom two team in A10 red and the top two teams in A10 blue switch positions. That will help insulate the teams that try against the teams that don't.
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Not sure the infatuation with this American Conference is all about.
First, UD hasn't always punched well in the weight class we find ourselves in at present.
Yes last year was a break out season.
Yes, recently we have either tied or won outright the regular season title BUT then proceeded to lose in the A10 T to a much lower seeded team to boot.
Yes the A10 has some terrible bottom feeders BUT except for Fordham (poor fellows) we have typically lost to La Salle at their place more often than not in the last 10 years. Our record in Philly is not stellar to any team located in the Home of Brotherly Love.
And to top it off we very recently dropped games to those so called Bottom Feeders (need I dare say their names? )
But we should be in the ACC because we would cleanse ourselves from the situation we have been in ... HOW SO?
But maybe the ACC wants us! Really? Pray tell WHY? Compelling reasoning being is that we have great facilities, a rapid fanbase and and and ...
Some have pointed out the negatives (a major one I see is the longer travel distances). Traveling those distances to play in cities that haven't been in UD's historical sphere like Tulsa OK, Wichita KS really? Maybe Boise! Reality or phantasy? More the former rather than the latter, me thinks.
Another major issue for me is the tie in with Cincy. They have ALWAYS had bigger aspirations and never really had any historical affinity to Dayton. PLUS our record against them in BB is not in our favor ... we seemed to wet the bed more times than not against them, going back decades. At the first chance they would leave for something better as they have already done in the past. AND in their leaving, cause others to go with them.
And the money is in FB for the ACC. Yes BB money helps pay for somethings yet, many of those schools get their prestige from the FB exposure.
We would be little Nemo swimming among the sharks. I see us fitting rather well in the A10 with all its warts and issues as it is.
Maybe at some other time we could go to another conference OR the A10 strengthens unexpectedly ... but until we can consistently punch within our weight class, reality is where we are, not placing ourselves in an illusion ...
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